Guest guest Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 wondering what words you're using in your google ad (english translation, of course). i've tried some pay-per-click with them, but so far haven't hit on some that draws many clicks. kb On 1/19/07, Thomas Bøgedal Sørensen <> wrote: > > My two Euro, > > It might not be legal in the states, but I have my patients bring their > own sheets. Also my treatment bed/pillows/headrest is of good quality > which is really comfy even without sheets and which can be cleaned with > an perfume-free alcohol based cleaning solution in case a patient > forgets her/his sheets - extremely cheap, easy and safe; and I never > have anyone complain about not being provided with sheets. But of course > this is standard in Denmark.... maybe it wouldn't work out in the states?! > > My approach is very similar to Mr. Vedeler's and I am breaking even at > about 16 treatments pr. month. This includes everything from rent, over > needles, insurance, to advertising (google adwords and phonebook > listings only). I have one treatment room, have been in practice for a > little less than two years and see about 100 patients per month. > > I have teamed up with three MDs, one psychotherapist, one physio > therapist, one chiropractor/osteopath and one massage therapist with > whom I exchange referrals - works really well. > > Advertizing " specialization " in psycho-emotional problems, chronic > diseases (any), gynechological problems, health preservation and > personal development (the type of patients I see most of the time are in > the internal medicine category) helps too..... > > Best regards > > Thomas Sorensen > Acupuncturist, PA, RAB > Denmark > > anne.crowley <anne.crowley%40comcast.net> skrev: > > > > Chris: > > > > Where do you get the paper protectors for the head and leg pillows? > > > > I agree with you on time vs. monetary charges. I look at everything > > this way (home expenses too.) Sometimes though other people just can't > > do it as well as you. Then there is another tradeoff. Also I used to > > get the hebbe jebbes about washing sheets with possible Heb B hanging > > on them in the family laundry machine. They don't get to the washing > > machine right away - hang in hamper. So I am hoping the virus > > disappears (if it's even there.) I would have my sheets laundered and > > I only see 20 a week now and will be expanding that this year. I just > > want them to do it right. (not much fragrance if at all, use clean > > hands all the time and don't turn my pastel yellows to red.) > > > > Anne > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > > " Christopher Vedeler L.Ac. " <ckvedeler<ckvedeler%40access4less.net> > > <ckvedeler% <ckvedeler%25>40access4less.net>> > > > I used to use paper sheets until they became more expensive than > > cloth. I > > > have been using the same 30 $3 Ikea sheets for close to a year now > > and they > > > are still doing fine. My policy is that if they get blood on them get > > > retired into rags. So far I have only had this happen once. I > > launder the > > > sheets about once a week at home. With a good sized washer it is only > a > > > single load and so isn't such a big deal. I fold them myself which > > is the > > > most time consuming part of the process. > > > > > > I use paper protectors for the head and leg pillows which are > > changed for > > > each patient, but these are very cheap and MUCH easier than changing > the > > > pillow cases after each patient. > > > > > > I don't use gowns but use large white towels instead that the > > patient can > > > drape over themselves. Much cheaper, easier and more versatile. > > > > > > Nightly cleaning and trash removal is included in my rent. > > > > > > If we look at your situation Turiya, say you see 40 patients a week > > who pay > > > on average $55. That is about $9000 a month gross. Spending $200 for > > > laundry and $50 for cleaning is less than 3% of your gross. This > > isn't too > > > bad. I pay about that much to process credit cards. If you are busy > > > enough, your time is probably better spent seeing patients than doing > > > laundry so paying for laundry service and cleaning makes sense. > > > > > > If you aren't that busy it shifts the equation. For every practitioner > > > these more mundane tasks can eat up a lot of time and Qi. The > > question is > > > when are you busy enough that you are eating into time you could be > > seeing > > > patients? > > > > > > Christopher Vedeler L.Ac., C.Ht. > > > Oasis Acupuncture > > > http://www.oasisacupuncture.com <http://www.oasisacupuncture.com> > > > 9832 N. Hayden Rd. > > > Suite 215 > > > Scottsdale, AZ 85258 > > > Phone: (480) 991-3650 > > > > > > > > > > > > Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> > > <Chinese Medicine%40> > > > [Chinese Medicine <Traditional_Chinese_Medicin\ e%40> > > <Chinese Medicine%40>] On Behalf Of > > Turiya > > > Hill > > > Thursday, January 18, 2007 11:18 AM > > > To: Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> > > <Chinese Medicine%40> > > > Re: Keeping Overhead Low > > > > > > > > > > > > For anyone listening to this thread....do you folks use sheets and > > > gowns.?....my monthly launrdry bill is close to $150-$200 for sheets > and > > > gowns...since i am a male practitioner with many female patients and > > I tend > > > to treat Back Shu points quite regulalrly....it's a big expense but > > i don't > > > see paper sheeting or gowns as an alternative, either ecologically or > > > comfort wise....my office is cleaned, weekly, for $50-, much better > > than I > > > could do ....I see 35-45 people a week at a sliding scale of > $48-$60... > > > > > > Turiya Hill, L.Ac. > > > Nevada City, Ca.----- > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 Ms. Bartlett, First of all, Denmark is a comparatively small market for (well-educated) acupuncturist still. We are very few (T)CM acupuncturists around and even fewer of us are fairly well educated. most acupuncturists here are doing trigger point ap, Nogier ear ap, Su Jok, cosmetic ap and so on. ...Please, come to Denmark and practice... any of you out there with proper education... we need it to build a more firm platform to develop from.... preferably some with interst in the classics.... OK, besides the point Our guild only counts about 500 practitioners in a country with 5 mill. inhabitants, so even a word as acupuncture is fairly cheap to register for clicks in Adwords. Apart from that I area-target (geographically) my adds and use whichever word that correspond with what I treat. Ie anxiety, stress, insomnia, pain and so on. Again Denmark is a small country whcich probably makes it easier to use adwords efficiently at a fair price?! I don't know if there is a uniform answer to that question unfortunately.... Best regards, Thomas Sorensen Acupuncturist, PA, RAB Denmark I make sure that I am first skrev: > > wondering what words you're using in your google ad (english > translation, of > course). i've tried some pay-per-click with them, but so far haven't > hit on > some that draws many clicks. > > kb > > On 1/19/07, Thomas Bøgedal Sørensen < > <thomas%40orientalskmedicin.dk>> wrote: > > > > My two Euro, > > > > It might not be legal in the states, but I have my patients bring their > > own sheets. Also my treatment bed/pillows/headrest is of good quality > > which is really comfy even without sheets and which can be cleaned with > > an perfume-free alcohol based cleaning solution in case a patient > > forgets her/his sheets - extremely cheap, easy and safe; and I never > > have anyone complain about not being provided with sheets. But of course > > this is standard in Denmark.... maybe it wouldn't work out in the > states?! > > > > My approach is very similar to Mr. Vedeler's and I am breaking even at > > about 16 treatments pr. month. This includes everything from rent, over > > needles, insurance, to advertising (google adwords and phonebook > > listings only). I have one treatment room, have been in practice for a > > little less than two years and see about 100 patients per month. > > > > I have teamed up with three MDs, one psychotherapist, one physio > > therapist, one chiropractor/osteopath and one massage therapist with > > whom I exchange referrals - works really well. > > > > Advertizing " specialization " in psycho-emotional problems, chronic > > diseases (any), gynechological problems, health preservation and > > personal development (the type of patients I see most of the time are in > > the internal medicine category) helps too..... > > > > Best regards > > > > Thomas Sorensen > > Acupuncturist, PA, RAB > > Denmark > > > > anne.crowley <anne.crowley%40comcast.net> > <anne.crowley%40comcast.net> skrev: > > > > > > Chris: > > > > > > Where do you get the paper protectors for the head and leg pillows? > > > > > > I agree with you on time vs. monetary charges. I look at everything > > > this way (home expenses too.) Sometimes though other people just can't > > > do it as well as you. Then there is another tradeoff. Also I used to > > > get the hebbe jebbes about washing sheets with possible Heb B hanging > > > on them in the family laundry machine. They don't get to the washing > > > machine right away - hang in hamper. So I am hoping the virus > > > disappears (if it's even there.) I would have my sheets laundered and > > > I only see 20 a week now and will be expanding that this year. I just > > > want them to do it right. (not much fragrance if at all, use clean > > > hands all the time and don't turn my pastel yellows to red.) > > > > > > Anne > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > > > " Christopher Vedeler L.Ac. " <ckvedeler > <ckvedeler%40access4less.net><ckvedeler%40access4less.net> > > > <ckvedeler% <ckvedeler%25>40access4less.net>> > > > > I used to use paper sheets until they became more expensive than > > > cloth. I > > > > have been using the same 30 $3 Ikea sheets for close to a year now > > > and they > > > > are still doing fine. My policy is that if they get blood on > them get > > > > retired into rags. So far I have only had this happen once. I > > > launder the > > > > sheets about once a week at home. With a good sized washer it is > only > > a > > > > single load and so isn't such a big deal. I fold them myself which > > > is the > > > > most time consuming part of the process. > > > > > > > > I use paper protectors for the head and leg pillows which are > > > changed for > > > > each patient, but these are very cheap and MUCH easier than changing > > the > > > > pillow cases after each patient. > > > > > > > > I don't use gowns but use large white towels instead that the > > > patient can > > > > drape over themselves. Much cheaper, easier and more versatile. > > > > > > > > Nightly cleaning and trash removal is included in my rent. > > > > > > > > If we look at your situation Turiya, say you see 40 patients a week > > > who pay > > > > on average $55. That is about $9000 a month gross. Spending $200 for > > > > laundry and $50 for cleaning is less than 3% of your gross. This > > > isn't too > > > > bad. I pay about that much to process credit cards. If you are busy > > > > enough, your time is probably better spent seeing patients than > doing > > > > laundry so paying for laundry service and cleaning makes sense. > > > > > > > > If you aren't that busy it shifts the equation. For every > practitioner > > > > these more mundane tasks can eat up a lot of time and Qi. The > > > question is > > > > when are you busy enough that you are eating into time you could be > > > seeing > > > > patients? > > > > > > > > Christopher Vedeler L.Ac., C.Ht. > > > > Oasis Acupuncture > > > > http://www.oasisacupuncture.com > <http://www.oasisacupuncture.com> <http://www.oasisacupuncture.com > <http://www.oasisacupuncture.com>> > > > > 9832 N. Hayden Rd. > > > > Suite 215 > > > > Scottsdale, AZ 85258 > > > > Phone: (480) 991-3650 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chinese Medicine > <Chinese Medicine%40><Traditional_Chinese_Medi\ cine%40> > > > <Chinese Medicine%40> > > > > [Chinese Medicine > <Chinese Medicine%40><Traditional_Chinese_Medi\ cine%40> > > > <Chinese Medicine%40>] On Behalf Of > > > Turiya > > > > Hill > > > > Thursday, January 18, 2007 11:18 AM > > > > Chinese Medicine > <Chinese Medicine%40><Traditional_Chinese_Medi\ cine%40> > > > <Chinese Medicine%40> > > > > Re: Keeping Overhead Low > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For anyone listening to this thread....do you folks use sheets and > > > > gowns.?....my monthly launrdry bill is close to $150-$200 for sheets > > and > > > > gowns...since i am a male practitioner with many female patients and > > > I tend > > > > to treat Back Shu points quite regulalrly....it's a big expense but > > > i don't > > > > see paper sheeting or gowns as an alternative, either > ecologically or > > > > comfort wise....my office is cleaned, weekly, for $50-, much better > > > than I > > > > could do ....I see 35-45 people a week at a sliding scale of > > $48-$60... > > > > > > > > Turiya Hill, L.Ac. > > > > Nevada City, Ca.----- > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 Mr. Thomas Sorensen, First off, hello to everyone. I'm new to this group and currently a student in Phoenix. I'm learning a great deal from all of you and want to say thank you. Mr. Sorensen, how hard would it be to work in Denmark or somewhere else in the EU? Do you know if the education in the US would be enough? I have a bit of the travel flu and would like to work abroad sometime in the future. If you know anywhere that I can get this information I would be very grateful! Bart Vermilya Chinese Medicine , Thomas Bøgedal Sørensen <> wrote: > > Ms. Bartlett, > > First of all, Denmark is a comparatively small market for > (well-educated) acupuncturist still. We are very few (T)CM > acupuncturists around and even fewer of us are fairly well educated. > most acupuncturists here are doing trigger point ap, Nogier ear ap, Su > Jok, cosmetic ap and so on. ...Please, come to Denmark and practice... > any of you out there with proper education... we need it to build a more > firm platform to develop from.... preferably some with interst in the > classics.... OK, besides the point > > Our guild only counts about 500 practitioners in a country with 5 mill. > inhabitants, so even a word as acupuncture is fairly cheap to register > for clicks in Adwords. Apart from that I area-target (geographically) my > adds and use whichever word that correspond with what I treat. Ie > anxiety, stress, insomnia, pain and so on. Again Denmark is a small > country whcich probably makes it easier to use adwords efficiently at a > fair price?! I don't know if there is a uniform answer to that question > unfortunately.... > > Best regards, > > Thomas Sorensen > Acupuncturist, PA, RAB > Denmark > > > I make sure that I am first > > skrev: > > > > wondering what words you're using in your google ad (english > > translation, of > > course). i've tried some pay-per-click with them, but so far haven't > > hit on > > some that draws many clicks. > > > > kb > > > > On 1/19/07, Thomas Bøgedal Sørensen < > > <thomas%40orientalskmedicin.dk>> wrote: > > > > > > My two Euro, > > > > > > It might not be legal in the states, but I have my patients bring their > > > own sheets. Also my treatment bed/pillows/headrest is of good quality > > > which is really comfy even without sheets and which can be cleaned with > > > an perfume-free alcohol based cleaning solution in case a patient > > > forgets her/his sheets - extremely cheap, easy and safe; and I never > > > have anyone complain about not being provided with sheets. But of course > > > this is standard in Denmark.... maybe it wouldn't work out in the > > states?! > > > > > > My approach is very similar to Mr. Vedeler's and I am breaking even at > > > about 16 treatments pr. month. This includes everything from rent, over > > > needles, insurance, to advertising (google adwords and phonebook > > > listings only). I have one treatment room, have been in practice for a > > > little less than two years and see about 100 patients per month. > > > > > > I have teamed up with three MDs, one psychotherapist, one physio > > > therapist, one chiropractor/osteopath and one massage therapist with > > > whom I exchange referrals - works really well. > > > > > > Advertizing " specialization " in psycho-emotional problems, chronic > > > diseases (any), gynechological problems, health preservation and > > > personal development (the type of patients I see most of the time are in > > > the internal medicine category) helps too..... > > > > > > Best regards > > > > > > Thomas Sorensen > > > Acupuncturist, PA, RAB > > > Denmark > > > > > > anne.crowley <anne.crowley%40comcast.net> > > <anne.crowley%40comcast.net> skrev: > > > > > > > > Chris: > > > > > > > > Where do you get the paper protectors for the head and leg pillows? > > > > > > > > I agree with you on time vs. monetary charges. I look at everything > > > > this way (home expenses too.) Sometimes though other people just can't > > > > do it as well as you. Then there is another tradeoff. Also I used to > > > > get the hebbe jebbes about washing sheets with possible Heb B hanging > > > > on them in the family laundry machine. They don't get to the washing > > > > machine right away - hang in hamper. So I am hoping the virus > > > > disappears (if it's even there.) I would have my sheets laundered and > > > > I only see 20 a week now and will be expanding that this year. I just > > > > want them to do it right. (not much fragrance if at all, use clean > > > > hands all the time and don't turn my pastel yellows to red.) > > > > > > > > Anne > > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > > > > " Christopher Vedeler L.Ac. " <ckvedeler > > <ckvedeler%40access4less.net><ckvedeler%40access4less.net> > > > > <ckvedeler% <ckvedeler%25>40access4less.net>> > > > > > I used to use paper sheets until they became more expensive than > > > > cloth. I > > > > > have been using the same 30 $3 Ikea sheets for close to a year now > > > > and they > > > > > are still doing fine. My policy is that if they get blood on > > them get > > > > > retired into rags. So far I have only had this happen once. I > > > > launder the > > > > > sheets about once a week at home. With a good sized washer it is > > only > > > a > > > > > single load and so isn't such a big deal. I fold them myself which > > > > is the > > > > > most time consuming part of the process. > > > > > > > > > > I use paper protectors for the head and leg pillows which are > > > > changed for > > > > > each patient, but these are very cheap and MUCH easier than changing > > > the > > > > > pillow cases after each patient. > > > > > > > > > > I don't use gowns but use large white towels instead that the > > > > patient can > > > > > drape over themselves. Much cheaper, easier and more versatile. > > > > > > > > > > Nightly cleaning and trash removal is included in my rent. > > > > > > > > > > If we look at your situation Turiya, say you see 40 patients a week > > > > who pay > > > > > on average $55. That is about $9000 a month gross. Spending $200 for > > > > > laundry and $50 for cleaning is less than 3% of your gross. This > > > > isn't too > > > > > bad. I pay about that much to process credit cards. If you are busy > > > > > enough, your time is probably better spent seeing patients than > > doing > > > > > laundry so paying for laundry service and cleaning makes sense. > > > > > > > > > > If you aren't that busy it shifts the equation. For every > > practitioner > > > > > these more mundane tasks can eat up a lot of time and Qi. The > > > > question is > > > > > when are you busy enough that you are eating into time you could be > > > > seeing > > > > > patients? > > > > > > > > > > Christopher Vedeler L.Ac., C.Ht. > > > > > Oasis Acupuncture > > > > > http://www.oasisacupuncture.com > > <http://www.oasisacupuncture.com> <http://www.oasisacupuncture.com > > <http://www.oasisacupuncture.com>> > > > > > 9832 N. Hayden Rd. > > > > > Suite 215 > > > > > Scottsdale, AZ 85258 > > > > > Phone: (480) 991-3650 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chinese Medicine > > <Chinese Medicine% 40><Chinese Medicine%40> > > > > <Chinese Medicine%40> > > > > > [Chinese Medicine > > <Chinese Medicine% 40><Chinese Medicine%40> > > > > <Chinese Medicine%40>] On Behalf Of > > > > Turiya > > > > > Hill > > > > > Thursday, January 18, 2007 11:18 AM > > > > > Chinese Medicine > > <Chinese Medicine% 40><Chinese Medicine%40> > > > > <Chinese Medicine%40> > > > > > Re: Keeping Overhead Low > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For anyone listening to this thread....do you folks use sheets and > > > > > gowns.?....my monthly launrdry bill is close to $150-$200 for sheets > > > and > > > > > gowns...since i am a male practitioner with many female patients and > > > > I tend > > > > > to treat Back Shu points quite regulalrly....it's a big expense but > > > > i don't > > > > > see paper sheeting or gowns as an alternative, either > > ecologically or > > > > > comfort wise....my office is cleaned, weekly, for $50-, much better > > > > than I > > > > > could do ....I see 35-45 people a week at a sliding scale of > > > $48-$60... > > > > > > > > > > Turiya Hill, L.Ac. > > > > > Nevada City, Ca.----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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