Guest guest Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 Curious wat your 'sales pitch' is to encourage 25% of your patients to come in for monthly maintenance tx. i try to encourage my patients to do this, but only a few follow through. i wonder if its a regional mentality in the southern US: you only see the doc when your sick, preventative care is not in the matrix. kb On 1/19/07, Thomas Bøgedal Sørensen <> wrote: > > Keeping the overhead low is obviously not the path to success, but is a > part of the equation to be sure! > > I find that the best way - at least it has worked for me - is to not try > to make money to make ends meet, but to try to help people and make it > worthwile for them to stay with you for regular health check-ups/ healt > maintainance long after their original complaints have been taken care > of. In my experience it is through, of course, good, speedy, lasting > results, and good communication with patients, helping them grow as > human beings, realizing their potential by taking charge of their lives, > empowering them to take responsibility for themselves - all within the > vast potential of CM! 25% of my patients decides to come in for monthly > treatments to work on their constitution and their potential growth > after their initial disease patterns have been dealt with. > > ...of course this will involve the practioner to be forever cultivating > his/her own constitution expanding on his/her growth potential.... > > Best regards, > > Thomas Sorensen > Acupuncturist, PA, RAB > Denmark > > Thomas Bøgedal Sørensen skrev: > > > > My two Euro, > > > > It might not be legal in the states, but I have my patients bring their > > own sheets. Also my treatment bed/pillows/headrest is of good quality > > which is really comfy even without sheets and which can be cleaned with > > an perfume-free alcohol based cleaning solution in case a patient > > forgets her/his sheets - extremely cheap, easy and safe; and I never > > have anyone complain about not being provided with sheets. But of course > > this is standard in Denmark.... maybe it wouldn't work out in the > states?! > > > > My approach is very similar to Mr. Vedeler's and I am breaking even at > > about 16 treatments pr. month. This includes everything from rent, over > > needles, insurance, to advertising (google adwords and phonebook > > listings only). I have one treatment room, have been in practice for a > > little less than two years and see about 100 patients per month. > > > > I have teamed up with three MDs, one psychotherapist, one physio > > therapist, one chiropractor/osteopath and one massage therapist with > > whom I exchange referrals - works really well. > > > > Advertizing " specialization " in psycho-emotional problems, chronic > > diseases (any), gynechological problems, health preservation and > > personal development (the type of patients I see most of the time are in > > the internal medicine category) helps too..... > > > > Best regards > > > > Thomas Sorensen > > Acupuncturist, PA, RAB > > Denmark > > > > anne.crowley <anne.crowley%40comcast.net> <anne > .crowley%40comcast.net> skrev: > > > > > > Chris: > > > > > > Where do you get the paper protectors for the head and leg pillows? > > > > > > I agree with you on time vs. monetary charges. I look at everything > > > this way (home expenses too.) Sometimes though other people just can't > > > do it as well as you. Then there is another tradeoff. Also I used to > > > get the hebbe jebbes about washing sheets with possible Heb B hanging > > > on them in the family laundry machine. They don't get to the washing > > > machine right away - hang in hamper. So I am hoping the virus > > > disappears (if it's even there.) I would have my sheets laundered and > > > I only see 20 a week now and will be expanding that this year. I just > > > want them to do it right. (not much fragrance if at all, use clean > > > hands all the time and don't turn my pastel yellows to red.) > > > > > > Anne > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > > > " Christopher Vedeler L.Ac. " <ckvedeler<ckvedeler%40access4less.net> > > <ckvedeler% <ckvedeler%25>40access4less.net> > > > <ckvedeler% <ckvedeler%25>40access4less.net>> > > > > I used to use paper sheets until they became more expensive than > > > cloth. I > > > > have been using the same 30 $3 Ikea sheets for close to a year now > > > and they > > > > are still doing fine. My policy is that if they get blood on them > get > > > > retired into rags. So far I have only had this happen once. I > > > launder the > > > > sheets about once a week at home. With a good sized washer it is > > only a > > > > single load and so isn't such a big deal. I fold them myself which > > > is the > > > > most time consuming part of the process. > > > > > > > > I use paper protectors for the head and leg pillows which are > > > changed for > > > > each patient, but these are very cheap and MUCH easier than > > changing the > > > > pillow cases after each patient. > > > > > > > > I don't use gowns but use large white towels instead that the > > > patient can > > > > drape over themselves. Much cheaper, easier and more versatile. > > > > > > > > Nightly cleaning and trash removal is included in my rent. > > > > > > > > If we look at your situation Turiya, say you see 40 patients a week > > > who pay > > > > on average $55. That is about $9000 a month gross. Spending $200 for > > > > laundry and $50 for cleaning is less than 3% of your gross. This > > > isn't too > > > > bad. I pay about that much to process credit cards. If you are busy > > > > enough, your time is probably better spent seeing patients than > doing > > > > laundry so paying for laundry service and cleaning makes sense. > > > > > > > > If you aren't that busy it shifts the equation. For every > practitioner > > > > these more mundane tasks can eat up a lot of time and Qi. The > > > question is > > > > when are you busy enough that you are eating into time you could be > > > seeing > > > > patients? > > > > > > > > Christopher Vedeler L.Ac., C.Ht. > > > > Oasis Acupuncture > > > > http://www.oasisacupuncture.com <http://www.oasisacupuncture.com> > > <http://www.oasisacupuncture.com <http://www.oasisacupuncture.com>> > > > > 9832 N. Hayden Rd. > > > > Suite 215 > > > > Scottsdale, AZ 85258 > > > > Phone: (480) 991-3650 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> > > <Chinese Medicine%40> > > > <Chinese Medicine%40> > > > > [Chinese Medicine <Traditional_Chinese_Medicin\ e%40> > > <Chinese Medicine%40> > > > <Chinese Medicine%40>] On Behalf Of > > > Turiya > > > > Hill > > > > Thursday, January 18, 2007 11:18 AM > > > > To: Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> > > <Chinese Medicine%40> > > > <Chinese Medicine%40> > > > > Re: Keeping Overhead Low > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For anyone listening to this thread....do you folks use sheets and > > > > gowns.?....my monthly launrdry bill is close to $150-$200 for > > sheets and > > > > gowns...since i am a male practitioner with many female patients and > > > I tend > > > > to treat Back Shu points quite regulalrly....it's a big expense but > > > i don't > > > > see paper sheeting or gowns as an alternative, either ecologically > or > > > > comfort wise....my office is cleaned, weekly, for $50-, much better > > > than I > > > > could do ....I see 35-45 people a week at a sliding scale of > > $48-$60... > > > > > > > > Turiya Hill, L.Ac. > > > > Nevada City, Ca.----- > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 Maybe it was too early on, but 22 years ago I sent out a bulk mailing to all of my patient list, past and present about a seasonal checkup/ tuneup program based on a seasonal five phase format. Hundreds of cards were sent, only one reply received, who thought it was 'a nice idea'. Having said that, I do have several patients who do just that, a monthly maintenance treatment. On Jan 19, 2007, at 8:06 AM, wrote: > Curious wat your 'sales pitch' is to encourage 25% of your patients > to come > in for monthly maintenance tx. i try to encourage my patients to do > this, > but only a few follow through. i wonder if its a regional mentality > in the > southern US: you only see the doc when your sick, preventative care > is not > in the matrix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 Ms. Bartlett, Simple!....?.... I try to make patients " a part of the solution, not a part of the problem! " I inform them thoroughly what they can expect from receiving CM treatment - which, in my book, is far from " just " receiving an acupuncture treatment to relieve pain or cure insomnia and... whatever... they will be assigned homework well-informed of what they can expect of benefits from doing them (breathing exercises, diet, ) I do not at any time try to fool my patients into thinking that ap or herbs is the magic potion that will take away their problems forever - I do not beleive that myself! I always let them know that acupuncture can be an effective part of the solution to their unique problem - maybe the most effective part?!, but the the only true healing can come from the patient her/himself and the way they handle and take responsibility for him/herselves and their lives so I humbly try to assist them in taking charge of their lives providing them with CM model of how they can develop their potentiasl as huma beings. CM provides us with magnificent tools to do this. I do loose patients that expect the usual symptom treatment - I guess that's why I don't see many people with tennnis elbows and jumper's knees..... but many keep returning because they truly feel that it is worthwhile..... If they show up with a sore throat I will take care of that, If they are feeling depressed I will try and explain to them why they are feeling that way and let them know how they can try and deal with it themselves and how to avoid it in the future. ....and I never ever encourage my patients to return for maintainance, but just let them know that maintainance is where one of CM's great strengths are. After being " cured " of depression, anxiety, fibromyalgia and whatever perceived chronic conditions they might have experienced being " cured " from - it is a very easy next step to take.... And of course I need to perform my best every time I do treatment otherwise the patients won't feel it worthwile driving 100 miles or even 2 miles fro treatment! ....and most importantly... YOU have to feel that what you do is absolutely the right thing... and be humble about it! There's no actual recipe......... Best regards, Thomas Sorensen Acupuncturist, PA, RAB Denmark skrev: > > Curious wat your 'sales pitch' is to encourage 25% of your patients to > come > in for monthly maintenance tx. i try to encourage my patients to do this, > but only a few follow through. i wonder if its a regional mentality in the > southern US: you only see the doc when your sick, preventative care is not > in the matrix. > > kb > > On 1/19/07, Thomas Bøgedal Sørensen < > <thomas%40orientalskmedicin.dk>> wrote: > > > > Keeping the overhead low is obviously not the path to success, but is a > > part of the equation to be sure! > > > > I find that the best way - at least it has worked for me - is to not try > > to make money to make ends meet, but to try to help people and make it > > worthwile for them to stay with you for regular health check-ups/ healt > > maintainance long after their original complaints have been taken care > > of. In my experience it is through, of course, good, speedy, lasting > > results, and good communication with patients, helping them grow as > > human beings, realizing their potential by taking charge of their lives, > > empowering them to take responsibility for themselves - all within the > > vast potential of CM! 25% of my patients decides to come in for monthly > > treatments to work on their constitution and their potential growth > > after their initial disease patterns have been dealt with. > > > > ...of course this will involve the practioner to be forever cultivating > > his/her own constitution expanding on his/her growth potential.... > > > > Best regards, > > > > Thomas Sorensen > > Acupuncturist, PA, RAB > > Denmark > > > > Thomas Bøgedal Sørensen skrev: > > > > > > My two Euro, > > > > > > It might not be legal in the states, but I have my patients bring > their > > > own sheets. Also my treatment bed/pillows/headrest is of good quality > > > which is really comfy even without sheets and which can be cleaned > with > > > an perfume-free alcohol based cleaning solution in case a patient > > > forgets her/his sheets - extremely cheap, easy and safe; and I never > > > have anyone complain about not being provided with sheets. But of > course > > > this is standard in Denmark.... maybe it wouldn't work out in the > > states?! > > > > > > My approach is very similar to Mr. Vedeler's and I am breaking even at > > > about 16 treatments pr. month. This includes everything from rent, > over > > > needles, insurance, to advertising (google adwords and phonebook > > > listings only). I have one treatment room, have been in practice for a > > > little less than two years and see about 100 patients per month. > > > > > > I have teamed up with three MDs, one psychotherapist, one physio > > > therapist, one chiropractor/osteopath and one massage therapist with > > > whom I exchange referrals - works really well. > > > > > > Advertizing " specialization " in psycho-emotional problems, chronic > > > diseases (any), gynechological problems, health preservation and > > > personal development (the type of patients I see most of the time > are in > > > the internal medicine category) helps too..... > > > > > > Best regards > > > > > > Thomas Sorensen > > > Acupuncturist, PA, RAB > > > Denmark > > > > > > anne.crowley <anne.crowley%40comcast.net> > <anne.crowley%40comcast.net> <anne > > .crowley%40comcast.net> skrev: > > > > > > > > Chris: > > > > > > > > Where do you get the paper protectors for the head and leg pillows? > > > > > > > > I agree with you on time vs. monetary charges. I look at everything > > > > this way (home expenses too.) Sometimes though other people just > can't > > > > do it as well as you. Then there is another tradeoff. Also I used to > > > > get the hebbe jebbes about washing sheets with possible Heb B > hanging > > > > on them in the family laundry machine. They don't get to the washing > > > > machine right away - hang in hamper. So I am hoping the virus > > > > disappears (if it's even there.) I would have my sheets > laundered and > > > > I only see 20 a week now and will be expanding that this year. I > just > > > > want them to do it right. (not much fragrance if at all, use clean > > > > hands all the time and don't turn my pastel yellows to red.) > > > > > > > > Anne > > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > > > > " Christopher Vedeler L.Ac. " <ckvedeler > <ckvedeler%40access4less.net><ckvedeler%40access4less.net> > > > <ckvedeler% <ckvedeler%25>40access4less.net> > > > > <ckvedeler% <ckvedeler%25>40access4less.net>> > > > > > I used to use paper sheets until they became more expensive than > > > > cloth. I > > > > > have been using the same 30 $3 Ikea sheets for close to a year now > > > > and they > > > > > are still doing fine. My policy is that if they get blood on them > > get > > > > > retired into rags. So far I have only had this happen once. I > > > > launder the > > > > > sheets about once a week at home. With a good sized washer it is > > > only a > > > > > single load and so isn't such a big deal. I fold them myself which > > > > is the > > > > > most time consuming part of the process. > > > > > > > > > > I use paper protectors for the head and leg pillows which are > > > > changed for > > > > > each patient, but these are very cheap and MUCH easier than > > > changing the > > > > > pillow cases after each patient. > > > > > > > > > > I don't use gowns but use large white towels instead that the > > > > patient can > > > > > drape over themselves. Much cheaper, easier and more versatile. > > > > > > > > > > Nightly cleaning and trash removal is included in my rent. > > > > > > > > > > If we look at your situation Turiya, say you see 40 patients a > week > > > > who pay > > > > > on average $55. That is about $9000 a month gross. Spending > $200 for > > > > > laundry and $50 for cleaning is less than 3% of your gross. This > > > > isn't too > > > > > bad. I pay about that much to process credit cards. If you are > busy > > > > > enough, your time is probably better spent seeing patients than > > doing > > > > > laundry so paying for laundry service and cleaning makes sense. > > > > > > > > > > If you aren't that busy it shifts the equation. For every > > practitioner > > > > > these more mundane tasks can eat up a lot of time and Qi. The > > > > question is > > > > > when are you busy enough that you are eating into time you > could be > > > > seeing > > > > > patients? > > > > > > > > > > Christopher Vedeler L.Ac., C.Ht. > > > > > Oasis Acupuncture > > > > > http://www.oasisacupuncture.com > <http://www.oasisacupuncture.com> <http://www.oasisacupuncture.com > <http://www.oasisacupuncture.com>> > > > <http://www.oasisacupuncture.com <http://www.oasisacupuncture.com> > <http://www.oasisacupuncture.com <http://www.oasisacupuncture.com>>> > > > > > 9832 N. Hayden Rd. > > > > > Suite 215 > > > > > Scottsdale, AZ 85258 > > > > > Phone: (480) 991-3650 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chinese Medicine > <Chinese Medicine%40><Traditional_Chinese_Medi\ cine%40> > > > <Chinese Medicine%40> > > > > <Chinese Medicine%40> > > > > > [Chinese Medicine > <Chinese Medicine%40><Traditional_Chinese_Medi\ cine%40> > > > <Chinese Medicine%40> > > > > <Chinese Medicine%40>] On > Behalf Of > > > > Turiya > > > > > Hill > > > > > Thursday, January 18, 2007 11:18 AM > > > > > Chinese Medicine > <Chinese Medicine%40><Traditional_Chinese_Medi\ cine%40> > > > <Chinese Medicine%40> > > > > <Chinese Medicine%40> > > > > > Re: Keeping Overhead Low > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For anyone listening to this thread....do you folks use sheets and > > > > > gowns.?....my monthly launrdry bill is close to $150-$200 for > > > sheets and > > > > > gowns...since i am a male practitioner with many female > patients and > > > > I tend > > > > > to treat Back Shu points quite regulalrly....it's a big > expense but > > > > i don't > > > > > see paper sheeting or gowns as an alternative, either ecologically > > or > > > > > comfort wise....my office is cleaned, weekly, for $50-, much > better > > > > than I > > > > > could do ....I see 35-45 people a week at a sliding scale of > > > $48-$60... > > > > > > > > > > Turiya Hill, L.Ac. > > > > > Nevada City, Ca.----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2007 Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 I briefly scanned Tom's message about this. This was the whole crux of our treatment philosphy in 5E. A relationship is formed and the patient grows over time, much beyond the original signs and symptoms. The downside of our tx learning is we do a lot of talking (or someone does - tha patient or us) and it is a challenge to get ot run the business with two patients in a time slot. It really can be done efficiently, allowing the patiient to be alone with the needles and get to the message with fewer words. Real healing comes with internal change - attitudes about who we are as homosapiens on this planet. Sure we have real backpain and we want to help the patient soon; but what got them into that in the first place, maybe repetive use and maybe not. Are they happy, peaceful? And do they want to be.. My philosphy is to let people know they have choice. They can change anything, anytime. They may not be able to change the circumstances they are in (in the short run) but the y can sure change their mind about it. Anne -------------- Original message ---------------------- " " > Curious wat your 'sales pitch' is to encourage 25% of your patients to come > in for monthly maintenance tx. i try to encourage my patients to do this, > but only a few follow through. i wonder if its a regional mentality in the > southern US: you only see the doc when your sick, preventative care is not > in the matrix. > > kb > > > On 1/19/07, Thomas Bøgedal Sørensen <> wrote: > > > > Keeping the overhead low is obviously not the path to success, but is a > > part of the equation to be sure! > > > > I find that the best way - at least it has worked for me - is to not try > > to make money to make ends meet, but to try to help people and make it > > worthwile for them to stay with you for regular health check-ups/ healt > > maintainance long after their original complaints have been taken care > > of. In my experience it is through, of course, good, speedy, lasting > > results, and good communication with patients, helping them grow as > > human beings, realizing their potential by taking charge of their lives, > > empowering them to take responsibility for themselves - all within the > > vast potential of CM! 25% of my patients decides to come in for monthly > > treatments to work on their constitution and their potential growth > > after their initial disease patterns have been dealt with. > > > > ...of course this will involve the practioner to be forever cultivating > > his/her own constitution expanding on his/her growth potential.... > > > > Best regards, > > > > Thomas Sorensen > > Acupuncturist, PA, RAB > > Denmark > > > > Thomas Bøgedal Sørensen skrev: > > > > > > My two Euro, > > > > > > It might not be legal in the states, but I have my patients bring their > > > own sheets. Also my treatment bed/pillows/headrest is of good quality > > > which is really comfy even without sheets and which can be cleaned with > > > an perfume-free alcohol based cleaning solution in case a patient > > > forgets her/his sheets - extremely cheap, easy and safe; and I never > > > have anyone complain about not being provided with sheets. But of course > > > this is standard in Denmark.... maybe it wouldn't work out in the > > states?! > > > > > > My approach is very similar to Mr. Vedeler's and I am breaking even at > > > about 16 treatments pr. month. This includes everything from rent, over > > > needles, insurance, to advertising (google adwords and phonebook > > > listings only). I have one treatment room, have been in practice for a > > > little less than two years and see about 100 patients per month. > > > > > > I have teamed up with three MDs, one psychotherapist, one physio > > > therapist, one chiropractor/osteopath and one massage therapist with > > > whom I exchange referrals - works really well. > > > > > > Advertizing " specialization " in psycho-emotional problems, chronic > > > diseases (any), gynechological problems, health preservation and > > > personal development (the type of patients I see most of the time are in > > > the internal medicine category) helps too..... > > > > > > Best regards > > > > > > Thomas Sorensen > > > Acupuncturist, PA, RAB > > > Denmark > > > > > > anne.crowley <anne.crowley%40comcast.net> <anne > > .crowley%40comcast.net> skrev: > > > > > > > > Chris: > > > > > > > > Where do you get the paper protectors for the head and leg pillows? > > > > > > > > I agree with you on time vs. monetary charges. I look at everything > > > > this way (home expenses too.) Sometimes though other people just can't > > > > do it as well as you. Then there is another tradeoff. Also I used to > > > > get the hebbe jebbes about washing sheets with possible Heb B hanging > > > > on them in the family laundry machine. They don't get to the washing > > > > machine right away - hang in hamper. So I am hoping the virus > > > > disappears (if it's even there.) I would have my sheets laundered and > > > > I only see 20 a week now and will be expanding that this year. I just > > > > want them to do it right. (not much fragrance if at all, use clean > > > > hands all the time and don't turn my pastel yellows to red.) > > > > > > > > Anne > > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > > > > " Christopher Vedeler L.Ac. " > <ckvedeler<ckvedeler%40access4less.net> > > > <ckvedeler% <ckvedeler%25>40access4less.net> > > > > <ckvedeler% <ckvedeler%25>40access4less.net>> > > > > > I used to use paper sheets until they became more expensive than > > > > cloth. I > > > > > have been using the same 30 $3 Ikea sheets for close to a year now > > > > and they > > > > > are still doing fine. My policy is that if they get blood on them > > get > > > > > retired into rags. So far I have only had this happen once. I > > > > launder the > > > > > sheets about once a week at home. With a good sized washer it is > > > only a > > > > > single load and so isn't such a big deal. I fold them myself which > > > > is the > > > > > most time consuming part of the process. > > > > > > > > > > I use paper protectors for the head and leg pillows which are > > > > changed for > > > > > each patient, but these are very cheap and MUCH easier than > > > changing the > > > > > pillow cases after each patient. > > > > > > > > > > I don't use gowns but use large white towels instead that the > > > > patient can > > > > > drape over themselves. Much cheaper, easier and more versatile. > > > > > > > > > > Nightly cleaning and trash removal is included in my rent. > > > > > > > > > > If we look at your situation Turiya, say you see 40 patients a week > > > > who pay > > > > > on average $55. That is about $9000 a month gross. Spending $200 for > > > > > laundry and $50 for cleaning is less than 3% of your gross. This > > > > isn't too > > > > > bad. I pay about that much to process credit cards. If you are busy > > > > > enough, your time is probably better spent seeing patients than > > doing > > > > > laundry so paying for laundry service and cleaning makes sense. > > > > > > > > > > If you aren't that busy it shifts the equation. For every > > practitioner > > > > > these more mundane tasks can eat up a lot of time and Qi. The > > > > question is > > > > > when are you busy enough that you are eating into time you could be > > > > seeing > > > > > patients? > > > > > > > > > > Christopher Vedeler L.Ac., C.Ht. > > > > > Oasis Acupuncture > > > > > http://www.oasisacupuncture.com <http://www.oasisacupuncture.com> > > > <http://www.oasisacupuncture.com <http://www.oasisacupuncture.com>> > > > > > 9832 N. Hayden Rd. > > > > > Suite 215 > > > > > Scottsdale, AZ 85258 > > > > > Phone: (480) 991-3650 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho > ogroups.com> > > > <Chinese Medicine%40> > > > > <Chinese Medicine%40> > > > > > > [Chinese Medicine <Traditional_Chinese_Medicin > e%40> > > > <Chinese Medicine%40> > > > > <Chinese Medicine%40>] On Behalf Of > > > > Turiya > > > > > Hill > > > > > Thursday, January 18, 2007 11:18 AM > > > > > To: > Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho > ogroups.com> > > > <Chinese Medicine%40> > > > > <Chinese Medicine%40> > > > > > Re: Keeping Overhead Low > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For anyone listening to this thread....do you folks use sheets and > > > > > gowns.?....my monthly launrdry bill is close to $150-$200 for > > > sheets and > > > > > gowns...since i am a male practitioner with many female patients and > > > > I tend > > > > > to treat Back Shu points quite regulalrly....it's a big expense but > > > > i don't > > > > > see paper sheeting or gowns as an alternative, either ecologically > > or > > > > > comfort wise....my office is cleaned, weekly, for $50-, much better > > > > than I > > > > > could do ....I see 35-45 people a week at a sliding scale of > > > $48-$60... > > > > > > > > > > Turiya Hill, L.Ac. > > > > > Nevada City, Ca.----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2007 Report Share Posted January 27, 2007 Hi Anne, Thank you for taking the time! There is so much to be said/discussed about this(these) issue(s) which stand(s) so close to my heart and imho the very center of CM/OM - not just the 5E version I haven't put this into words before and might be lacking in coherence - I apologize! Oftentimes patients does not need to be listened to, but to be heard - and to have their true nature acknowledged! And that does not necessarily take hours or even minutes to do this. I usually think of the initial consultation as a meeting where the patient(unconsciously) and I(consciously) negotiate the terms of an unwritten and unspoken contract. This contract is purely a contract based on the Jing-Qi-Shen interaction between us. This contract is renegotiable, since everything and everybody are always in transformation! The contract establishes what the patient hopes to achieve from consultation/treatment and gives me a pointer towards what the patients current potential is in terms of Jing-Qi-Shen, prognosis, etc. might be. Most often patients have specific problems they want to get rid of, a tennis elbow, emotional problems, cancer, whatever the symptom, but the point here is to see where they are as individuals and treat/interact accordingly - not exerting my ambition of wanting a so-called better life for them. A patient MUST give an invitation to help him/her initiate change towards realizing true nature/potential - it cannot be forced on anybody and trying to will make sure that patients will not come back for (maintanaince) treatments after their initial complaints have been taken care of because YOU as a practitioner has broken trust by trying to change the initial contract without inviting the patient to renegotiate the terms and you will have done him/her/yourself a disservice by breaking this trust. Sometimes people need to only have their symptoms fixed because that is all their current state of Jing-Qi-Shen allows; sometimes they will invite you to help them change what caused their symptoms to appear in the first place; and sometimes, through treatment, the patients Jing-Qi-Shen improves enough for them to start realizing that their symptoms are expressions of something more than just: eating wrong, working long hours, etc. and then invite you - presuming that you are always interested in the development of potential in any given patient (and, of course, yourself) at any given time - to renegotiate the terms of a new contract between you and the patient. The point is that if you allow yourself to experience the patient and the state of his/her Jing-Qi-Shen you will at any given time be able to know what that patient needs and not take up precious time with useless chit-chat which needlessly concume Blood and Qi of both parties anyway. Having two treatment rooms actually accomodates this providing flexibility! Noone says that both treatment rooms have to be occupied at all times. When a patient comes in I try to fulfill our contract to my very best ability and sometimes that requires 60-90 minutes (or more, or less) with a given patient and sometimes it takes as little as 15-20 minutes everything included. After the initial visit you will form a basic idea of the condition and prognosis of the patient. This will allow you to, not alone help the patient better, but also schedule your time around what you expect to be enough for your individual patients and what you, yourself require as a practitioner to preserve your own health and thus sustain you own growth, which is primary to that of the patient's growth... everybody wins! Hope this makes sense humbly, Thomas ----- Klinik AiKi - Akupunktur & Orientalsk Medicin Albanigade 23A, Kld. 5000 Odense C Tlf.: (+45) 31 25 92 26 www.orientalskmedicin.dk > I briefly scanned Tom's message about this. This was the whole crux of our treatment philosphy in 5E. A relationship is formed and the patient grows over time, much beyond the original signs and symptoms. The downside of our tx learning is we do a lot of talking (or someone does - tha patient or us) and it is a challenge to get ot run the business with two patients in a time slot. It really can be done efficiently, allowing the patiient to be alone with the needles and get to the message with fewer words. Real healing comes with internal change - attitudes about who we are as homosapiens on this planet. Sure we have real backpain and we want to help the patient soon; but what got them into that in the first place, maybe repetive use and maybe not. Are they happy, peaceful? And do they want to be.. My philosphy is to let people know they have choice. They can change anything, anytime. They may not be able to change the circumstances they are in (in the short run) but the > y can sure change their mind about it. > > Anne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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