Guest guest Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 A friend passed this on to me, the most polished documentary I've seen on acupuncture for the public, aired on the BBC. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-799443241400641366 & pr=goog-sl -- 'Freedom from the desire for an answer is essential to the understanding of a problem.' Jiddu Krishnamurti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 Ahh yes, i remember watching this last year. It concludes with research done in London by Hugh MacPherson and others on tracking acupuncturue's impact upon the brain. It is a good documentary but limits acupuncture to just pain. Attilio www.chinesemedicinetimes.com Chinese Medicine , " " <johnkokko wrote: > > A friend passed this on to me, > the most polished documentary I've seen on acupuncture for the public, > aired on the BBC. > > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-799443241400641366 & pr=goog- sl > > > > -- > 'Freedom from the desire for an answer is essential to the understanding of > a problem.' > > Jiddu Krishnamurti > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 John, Thanks for sharing this. It's a great documentary. jb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 Attilio, That's a great point. Osteopathic arthritis of the knee -the landmark study done by B.Berman et al. (Dec 21, 2004) is included, A study done on migraine headaches and a brilliant view of acupuncture anesthesia for surgery. The documentary gives the impression to the public that all of the studies done on acupuncture efficacy/ efficiency were done just yesterday, when in fact much research has been made in the past 20 + years. http://www.aaom.org/default.asp?pagenumber=48103 pubmed - 11576 hits - acupuncture http://www.acupunctureresearch.org/links.html#anchor_81 Actually, it does mention that thousands of studies were made, but that there were methodological limitations due to sample size, placebo marking (sham vs 'real'), follow-up procedures etc. In this way, it is consistent with the following: Quoting from Clinical Acupuncture : Scientific Basis edited by G. Stux., R. Hammerschlag: page 145 S. Birch writes in the Conclusions of " An Overview of Acupuncture in the Treatment of Stroke, Addiction, and other Health Problems " book published 2001 " Acupuncture has been tested in a relatively broad range of medical problems. This brief review has examined a number of areas where research can be found but, in most cases, there is insufficient evidence to perform systematic reviews. We found either good or promising evidence of the efficacy of acupuncture in most of these areas, but at the same time, methodological problems that undermine interpretation of the results. The evidence for the use of acupuncture as an adjunctive therapy for stroke rehabilitation is increasing. While there are conflicting data about the use of acupuncture as an adjunctive treatment for addictions, the existing evidence shows enough promise to warrant continued examination. Evidence for the adjunctive use of acupuncture for angina pectoris is also quite promising, as it is in problems. Evidence for acupuncture invarious urological and gynecological breech version and to prepare for and assist in labor is already strong, especially with the 1998 studies of Cardini and Weixin for breech version (25) and Romer et al. for labor (70). Evidence that acupuncture can be used to treat depression is also mounting and quite promising. In the case of male sexual problems, xerostomia, and Raynaud's syndrome, the results are somewhat promising, but much more data is needed. Acupuncture's efficacy in weight loss and hearing problems is less convincing. Each of the areas examined needs more research, usually with better methodology. In some areas such as angina pectoris, stroke, and addiction, it appears useful to focus study design more on the use of acupuncture as an adjunctive therapy in comparison to standard therapy alone, rather than only the gold standard of placebo-controlled double blind research. It appears necessary to continue the debate about the selection of appropriate research methodologies for future acupuncture studies. " Attilio, since you're abreast of the most recent research via Chinese Medicine Times online, what are your thoughts on recent 2001-2007 research... have rigorous methodologies improved for acupuncture studies? What are the trends, highlights and limitations? Anything definitive? By the way, thank you for the article on Times: " Case Study- The Treatment of a Lifelong Alcoholic " Using NADA, LV 3, KD 3 and HT 7 with Jia wei xiao yao san. The info about vagus nerve stimulation via the Lung point is especially useful in practice... This is Lung point 2 (Ipsilateral Lung) ie. lower Lung pt. Oleson. Auriculotherapy Manual pg. 96 right? http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/section.php?xSec=161 " Blum, Cull, Braverman and Comings (1996) suggest that stimulating the vagus nerve, which is located in the concha and at the Lung point on the auricle with the insertion of an acupuncture needle, stimulates the hypothalamus. Under normal conditions, hypothalamic stimulation initiates the reward cascade. Hypothalamic neurons release serotonin (5HT), which activates methionine enkephalin, an opioid peptide. Met- enkephalin is released at the ventral tegmental region and interacts to inhibit receptors controlling the release of gamma-aminobutyric acid (GABA). Met-enkephalin and/or other opioid peptides finely tune the system. The primary role of GABA is to control the output of dopamine in the ventral tegmental region. The result of inhibiting GABA is an increase in dopamine. Acupuncture acts to reduce cravings, thereby assisting the drug addict into self recovery. This stimulation can be increased using electric stimulation as used by Wen and Cheung in their original research into addiction (1973a; 1973b and 1973c). " Thank you. Kokko On 1/21/07, <attiliodalberto wrote: > > Ahh yes, i remember watching this last year. It concludes with > research done in London by Hugh MacPherson and others on tracking > acupuncturue's impact upon the brain. It is a good documentary but > limits acupuncture to just pain. > > Attilio > www.chinesemedicinetimes.com > > --- In Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com>, > " " > <johnkokko wrote: > > > > A friend passed this on to me, > > the most polished documentary I've seen on acupuncture for the > public, > > aired on the BBC. > > > > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-799443241400641366 & pr=goog- > sl > > > > > > > > -- > > 'Freedom from the desire for an answer is essential to the > understanding of > > a problem.' > > > > Jiddu Krishnamurti > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 JB, good to hear from you. What are you doing these days? howz your practice coming? kokko. On 1/21/07, Gary Baranzini <conanjb wrote: > > John, > > Thanks for sharing this. It's a great documentary. > > jb > > > -- 'Freedom from the desire for an answer is essential to the understanding of a problem.' Jiddu Krishnamurti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 Hi John, I'm glad you liked the explanation of electrical stimulation on the Lung point. That explanation was taken from another article of mine on auricular acupuncture and cocaine addiction, see http://www.attiliodalberto.com/articles/DALBERTO%20FULL%20TEXT.pdf I can't refer to Oleson's book at the moment as I have it in storage and can't get to it. However, there is a picture of the NADA points in the article I've linked to above, but yes, I do think it is the lower Lung point. I believe that Stephen Birch is very much heading the way on acupuncture research protocols. Personally, I believe the problem with integrating Chinese medicine into an RCT lies with using a TCM pattern analysis in the inclusion/exclusion criteria. At the moment western disease categorisations are used to include or exclude subjects. We all know how limited western disease categorisations are. If studies are done on depression, what type of depression is it? What about headaches? There are several sub classifications of headaches in TCM. Which one do researchers use acupuncture on? If we can't decide what type of depression or headache it is based on TCM principles, then how can we select acupoints to treat it? Using a TCM pattern analysis to categorise subjects in an RCT is not so easy. A TCM diagnosis is subjective and a number of practitioners can formulate different diagnosis which then creates too many variables in a study making it flawed. An idea maybe to get 10 respected TCM practitioners and get them to perform a TCM diagnosis on the x number of subjects. If there is a statically significant result for each subject then they can be included in the study. Otherwise, I can't see any other way around it. Really, I need to get a statistician to look at this idea. Attilio www.chinesemedicinetimes.com Chinese Medicine , " " <johnkokko wrote: > > Attilio, > That's a great point. > Osteopathic arthritis of the knee -the landmark study done by B.Berman et > al. (Dec 21, 2004) is included, > A study done on migraine headaches > and a brilliant view of acupuncture anesthesia for surgery. > > The documentary gives the impression to the public that all of the studies > done on acupuncture efficacy/ efficiency were done just yesterday, when in > fact much research has been made in the past 20 + years. > http://www.aaom.org/default.asp?pagenumber=48103 > pubmed - 11576 hits - acupuncture > http://www.acupunctureresearch.org/links.html#anchor_81 > > Actually, it does mention that thousands of studies were made, but that > there were methodological limitations due to sample size, placebo marking > (sham vs 'real'), follow-up procedures etc. > In this way, it is consistent with the following: > > Quoting from Clinical Acupuncture : Scientific Basis edited by G. Stux., R. > Hammerschlag: > page 145 S. Birch writes in the Conclusions of " An Overview of Acupuncture > in the Treatment of Stroke, Addiction, and other Health Problems " book > published 2001 > > " Acupuncture has been tested in a relatively broad range of medical > problems. This brief review has examined a number of areas where research > can be found but, in most cases, there is insufficient evidence to perform > systematic reviews. We found either good or promising evidence of the > efficacy of acupuncture in most of these areas, but at the same time, > methodological problems that undermine interpretation of the results. > > The evidence for the use of acupuncture as an adjunctive therapy for stroke > rehabilitation is increasing. While there are conflicting data about the > use of acupuncture as an adjunctive treatment for addictions, the existing > evidence shows enough promise to warrant continued examination. Evidence > for the adjunctive use of acupuncture for angina pectoris is also quite > promising, as it is in problems. Evidence for acupuncture invarious > urological and gynecological breech version and to prepare for and assist in > labor is already strong, especially with the 1998 studies of Cardini and > Weixin for breech version (25) and Romer et al. for labor (70). Evidence > that acupuncture can be used to treat depression is also mounting and quite > promising. In the case of male sexual problems, xerostomia, and Raynaud's > syndrome, the results are somewhat promising, but much more data is needed. > Acupuncture's efficacy in weight loss and hearing problems is less > convincing. Each of the areas examined needs more research, usually with > better methodology. In some areas such as angina pectoris, stroke, and > addiction, it appears useful to focus study design more on the use of > acupuncture as an adjunctive therapy in comparison to standard therapy > alone, rather than only the gold standard of placebo-controlled double blind > research. It appears necessary to continue the debate about the selection > of appropriate research methodologies for future acupuncture studies. " > > Attilio, since you're abreast of the most recent research via Chinese > Medicine Times online, > what are your thoughts on recent 2001-2007 research... have rigorous > methodologies improved for acupuncture studies? What are the trends, > highlights and limitations? Anything definitive? > > By the way, thank you for the article on Times: > " Case Study- The Treatment of a Lifelong Alcoholic " > Using NADA, LV 3, KD 3 and HT 7 with Jia wei xiao yao san. > The info about vagus nerve stimulation via the Lung point is especially > useful in practice... > This is Lung point 2 (Ipsilateral Lung) ie. lower Lung pt. Oleson. > Auriculotherapy Manual pg. 96 right? > > http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/section.php?xSec=161 > " Blum, Cull, Braverman and Comings (1996) suggest that stimulating the vagus > nerve, which is located in the concha and at the Lung point on the auricle > with the insertion of an acupuncture needle, stimulates the hypothalamus. > Under normal conditions, hypothalamic stimulation initiates the reward > cascade. Hypothalamic neurons release serotonin (5HT), which activates > methionine enkephalin, an opioid peptide. Met- enkephalin is released at the > ventral tegmental region and interacts to inhibit receptors controlling the > release of gamma-aminobutyric acid (GABA). Met-enkephalin and/or other > opioid peptides finely tune the system. The primary role of GABA is to > control the output of dopamine in the ventral tegmental region. The result > of inhibiting GABA is an increase in dopamine. Acupuncture acts to reduce > cravings, thereby assisting the drug addict into self recovery. This > stimulation can be increased using electric stimulation as used by Wen and > Cheung in their original research into addiction (1973a; 1973b and 1973c). " > > Thank you. > Kokko > > > > > On 1/21/07, <attiliodalberto wrote: > > > > Ahh yes, i remember watching this last year. It concludes with > > research done in London by Hugh MacPherson and others on tracking > > acupuncturue's impact upon the brain. It is a good documentary but > > limits acupuncture to just pain. > > > > Attilio > > www.chinesemedicinetimes.com > > > > --- In Chinese Medicine <Traditional_Chinese_Medi cine%40>, > > " " > > <johnkokko@> wrote: > > > > > > A friend passed this on to me, > > > the most polished documentary I've seen on acupuncture for the > > public, > > > aired on the BBC. > > > > > > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=- 799443241400641366 & pr=goog- > > sl > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > 'Freedom from the desire for an answer is essential to the > > understanding of > > > a problem.' > > > > > > Jiddu Krishnamurti > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 The video has a nice presentation, but the download through google is just terrible. Does anyone know if it can be found elsewhere? Tymothy Chinese Medicine , " " <johnkokko wrote: > > A friend passed this on to me, > the most polished documentary I've seen on acupuncture for the public, > aired on the BBC. > > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-799443241400641366 & pr=goog-sl > > > > -- > 'Freedom from the desire for an answer is essential to the understanding of > a problem.' > > Jiddu Krishnamurti > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2007 Report Share Posted January 21, 2007 i think it was a BBC production. You can try and find it from their website at www.bbc.co.uk Attilio www.chinesemedicinetimes.com Chinese Medicine , " miracles28 " <jellyphish wrote: > > The video has a nice presentation, but the download through google is > just terrible. Does anyone know if it can be found elsewhere? > Tymothy > > > Chinese Medicine , " " > <johnkokko@> wrote: > > > > A friend passed this on to me, > > the most polished documentary I've seen on acupuncture for the public, > > aired on the BBC. > > > > http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=- 799443241400641366 & pr=goog-sl > > > > > > > > -- > > 'Freedom from the desire for an answer is essential to the > understanding of > > a problem.' > > > > Jiddu Krishnamurti > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.