TCM - Dr. or Doctor title in ads, How can it be legal?

February 25, 2007

Degrees accepted by any state dept of education are regognized as acceptable

and must be according to federal law.

Thus, CA accredited OMD's and NM accredited OMD's and DOM's (not state

licensure titles) are ok.

David Molony

In a message dated 2/25/07 12:32:05 PM, alonmarcus writes:

> The CAB took action on these years ago by making

> LAc's unable to use " Dr " and/or having to list what

> the degree is in otherwise face unprofessional

> conduct charges by the state

> >>>>

> They do however allow those who got their " degrees " from CA schools that

> were authorized by the CA dep of education at the time to use the DOM or OMD

> title.

> Until we have a regionally accredit Dr entry degrees none will really make

> any real difference regardless of their quality.

>

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February 25, 2007

In Florida the words, letters and/or insignia as authorized by statute and

administrative code rule, but not limited to those listed.....are not

considered false or deceptive advertising (commercial free speech)....and

therefore

are allowed to be used by Chapter 457 licensees (LAcs).

One caveat of 2006 legislature...... which goes for ALL healthcare

providers......the licensee had better identify themselves with their actual

license.

So a Chiropractor (Chapter 460) even if certified to USE acupuncture had

better not identify themselves as an Acupuncturist or any words or letters that

are statutorily protected for acupuncture licensees or for that matter state

that they PRACTICE acupuncture unless of course they are ALSO licensed

acupuncturists under Chapter 457 in Florida.

Richard

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acuman1 writes:

Thus, CA accredited OMD's and NM accredited OMD's and DOM's (not state

licensure titles) are ok.

David Molony

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February 25, 2007

Dear Misha

While you are correct for California........as so we are also correct in

other states such as NM, FL, RI, AR, WV, etc.....with our differences and our

similarities....we need to address yet another possibly more important core

issue.

If we are diagnosing and treating illness and injury.........what are we if

not doctors/physicians?

Then what shall we call ourselves?

One Florida legislator possibly in jest or maybe seriously suggested we call

ourselves healers...... all the while remembering that it is illegal to say

that acupuncture/OM can cure anything.

Richard

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February 25, 2007

Hi Folks:

For those of us who studied at schools approved by the State of California for

OMDs

programs in the early to mid-80's (these programs all ended by 1986), if we are

granted the

degree through completing the program we can used OMD along with stating we are

a

Licensed Acupuncturist. However, for those who were granted an OMD through the

mail or at

a two-week course in Asia, this doe NOT apply as they did not complete an

approved course.

Here is the wording from the California State Board " frequently asked questions "

regarding

use of OMD, etc.

WHAT DO THE INITIALS " O.M.D. " STAND FOR?

A. The initials O.M.D. stand for " Oriental Medical Doctor " , this is an academic

title (similar to

Ph.D.). This title may only be used by those licensed acupuncturists who possess

an earned

doctorate degree, from a California accredited, approved and/or authorized

educational

institute as set forth in Section 94760 of the California Education Code. These

initials must

be used in conjunction with the representation that the individual is a licensed

acupuncturist

as set forth in Business & Professions Code, Section 4927 and 4937, the

California Code of

Regulations, Title 16, Section 1399.456, and Attorney General Opinion No.

87-103.

Yours, Misha

February 26, 2007

I live and work in Florida and know of several Chiropractors who call

themselves acupuncturists. I have asked them about it and they all stated

that they are allowed to do this under their licensure.

I take offense of this practice. They are not Acupuncturists and do both us

and potential patients a disservice.

A patient came to me recently who stated that last year she had gone to what

she thought was an acupuncturist. He was a chiropractor who did acupuncture.

He told her that acupuncture could not help her. The woman did not seek

other help because she felt the authority on the subject had given her a

conclusive answer.

Lee Tritt, AP, OMD, Dipl. Ac.(NCCAOM)

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Sunday, February 25, 2007 12:51 PM

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Re: Re: Dr. or Doctor title in ads, How can it be

legal?

In Florida the words, letters and/or insignia as authorized by statute and

administrative code rule, but not limited to those listed.....are not

considered false or deceptive advertising (commercial free speech)....and

therefore

are allowed to be used by Chapter 457 licensees (LAcs).

One caveat of 2006 legislature...... which goes for ALL healthcare

providers......the licensee had better identify themselves with their

actual license.

So a Chiropractor (Chapter 460) even if certified to USE acupuncture had

better not identify themselves as an Acupuncturist or any words or letters

that

are statutorily protected for acupuncture licensees or for that matter

state

that they PRACTICE acupuncture unless of course they are ALSO licensed

acupuncturists under Chapter 457 in Florida.

Richard

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acuman1 writes:

Thus, CA accredited OMD's and NM accredited OMD's and DOM's (not state

licensure titles) are ok.

David Molony

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February 27, 2007

On the other hand, coming from the other end of it, DCs doing acupuncture

bring additional qualifications to the table. As a DC, I am trained in a

wider array of complementary therapies, so for patients in whom a mixed

therapeutic approach is most beneficial, I'm a good bet.

And before casting aspersions, don't forget -- if it weren't for the

chiropractic profession, you would likely not be practicing legally today.

The homeopaths were all but wiped out and the remains straggled on in

Europe, the osteopaths folded and joined the dark side, the naturopaths

still aren't licensed in all states. We were the only alternative health

care profession that not only survived, but somehow managed to prosper,

during the 100-year stranglehold that allopathic medicine held on health

care. The legislative gains we made -- at the price of many chiropractors

going to jail -- are the umbrella under which your practice rights were

enabled.

Not to mention that the first academic program for acupuncture was at a

chiropractic college.

I say live and let live. There's room for all of us, here, and ways in

which we can learn from each other.

Avery L. Jenkins, DC, FIAMA, DACBN

Chiropractic Physician

Fellow, International Academy of Medical Acupuncturists

Diplomate, American Clinical Board of Nutrition

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On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:02:55 -0500, Acudoc <acudoc wrote:

> I live and work in Florida and know of several Chiropractors who call

> themselves acupuncturists. I have asked them about it and they all stated

> that they are allowed to do this under their licensure.

>

> I take offense of this practice. They are not Acupuncturists and do both

> us

> and potential patients a disservice.

February 27, 2007

Lee,

In my opinion, that is why we need to have doctoral education. The authority is

the one with

the doctor title. I have heard similar issues of chiro misrepresentation that

are never

investigated by the DC licensing board as those who control the board do not see

any issue

with this blatant and illegal practice. Protection of our trade and doctoral

training is

the only way to go with this.

Mike W. Bowser, L Ac

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> acudoc

> Mon, 26 Feb 2007 16:02:55 -0500

> RE: Re: Dr. or Doctor title in ads, How can it be

legal?

>

> I live and work in Florida and know of several Chiropractors who call

> themselves acupuncturists. I have asked them about it and they all stated

> that they are allowed to do this under their licensure.

> I take offense of this practice. They are not Acupuncturists and do both us

> and potential patients a disservice.

> A patient came to me recently who stated that last year she had gone to what

> she thought was an acupuncturist. He was a chiropractor who did acupuncture.

> He told her that acupuncture could not help her. The woman did not seek

> other help because she felt the authority on the subject had given her a

> conclusive answer.

> Lee Tritt, AP, OMD, Dipl. Ac.(NCCAOM)

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February 27, 2007

Agreed - live and let live.......and all acupuncturists shall be soon able

to practice chiropractic with the new 100 hour acu-practic courses up and

coming.

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