There are some trust in Oriental Medicine- the energy.

[Guest guest]

Dear friends and colleague,

 

We have studied Acu and Herbs based on the theory of YIN_YANG, QI "

energy " , but we most did not care what energies are and where are

they come from?????????????? I am going to bring this up and there may

be some uses for you and I in the future.

 

Energy comes from different sources :

THE SUN provides us light, warm, moving, pressure, the transmission.

The LIGHT provides us the frequency, and reflection...

The CHEMICAL, the solvent and solute, hormones, enzymes,in our body.

The WIND, WIND MILLS provide frequency and motion...

The WATER, WATER FLOW provide the current the flow...

The SOUND provides frequency ...

The TEMPERATURE as the SUN.............

YOu can help me think more about this because there are more than 112

elements on Chemical tables, creating more than millions of energies

around us. We only base on Yin and Yang , 2 things producing millions

of figures. What if there are 112 elements,and they can create???

 

We learned all herbs their tastes and colors. These are unique!!!

The green leaves are bitter and sour in taste. THe micro-organisms are

attracted by the energy of tastes sour where they belong to and also

attract to the light " green " the reflection where they belong to.

When they are drawn into their group " Wood, LIVER, green, sour " ,

they will do their jobs, duties better and carry out their orders from

their groups. THis is how the energy works and where they are coming

from. The chemical energy, taste; the light reflection the

color..........

 

Some patients asked me what I put in the needle, some drugs or some

chemicals in order to achieve an instant effect.

My response : This needle I have in my hands can create thousands of

volts and conduct strong electric current in your body to heal

yourself. WHy should I need extra chemicals or drug?

 

Your body is a container, contain a lot of energies in all kind of

forms : in solid, liquid and gas. All I am doing is to borrow some of

those energies to help your body healing.

In your tissues, fibers, muscles, tendons, ligaments, arteries, bones,

skins, hairs are storing energy , I call them " the potential energy

" . Now , it is the time for me to use it. I insert the needle through

your skin and into your tissues, fibers or muscles.... and manipulate

this little thing to vibrate you tissues. When they are vibrating,

they release some of their stored energies, and the electrical or

chemical energy will travel to your brain " celebral cortex " as a

message and then endorphin is released as in a form of chemical energy

to heal your problem. All it does, it must obey my command from my needle.

 

Thanks for all attention here. The above is just my experience in

vision and demonstrating the chemical and electrical. THere maybe more

in us will experience some wonderful things. I have used some sound

energy to treat patients, the effective was amazing.........

 

I hope we all learn more about energy and talk more about it in the

future and I am looking forward to hearing all of your experience.

[Guest guest]

can create thousands of

volts

>>>>

Not quite, potentials or voltage is much lower

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-

dr_namnguyen58

Chinese Medicine

Sunday, February 25, 2007 8:33 AM

There are some trust in Oriental Medicine- the energy.

 

 

Dear friends and colleague,

 

We have studied Acu and Herbs based on the theory of YIN_YANG, QI "

energy " , but we most did not care what energies are and where are

they come from?????????????? I am going to bring this up and there may

be some uses for you and I in the future.

 

Energy comes from different sources :

THE SUN provides us light, warm, moving, pressure, the transmission.

The LIGHT provides us the frequency, and reflection...

The CHEMICAL, the solvent and solute, hormones, enzymes,in our body.

The WIND, WIND MILLS provide frequency and motion...

The WATER, WATER FLOW provide the current the flow...

The SOUND provides frequency ...

The TEMPERATURE as the SUN.............

YOu can help me think more about this because there are more than 112

elements on Chemical tables, creating more than millions of energies

around us. We only base on Yin and Yang , 2 things producing millions

of figures. What if there are 112 elements,and they can create???

 

We learned all herbs their tastes and colors. These are unique!!!

The green leaves are bitter and sour in taste. THe micro-organisms are

attracted by the energy of tastes sour where they belong to and also

attract to the light " green " the reflection where they belong to.

When they are drawn into their group " Wood, LIVER, green, sour " ,

they will do their jobs, duties better and carry out their orders from

their groups. THis is how the energy works and where they are coming

from. The chemical energy, taste; the light reflection the

color..........

 

Some patients asked me what I put in the needle, some drugs or some

chemicals in order to achieve an instant effect.

My response : This needle I have in my hands can create thousands of

volts and conduct strong electric current in your body to heal

yourself. WHy should I need extra chemicals or drug?

 

Your body is a container, contain a lot of energies in all kind of

forms : in solid, liquid and gas. All I am doing is to borrow some of

those energies to help your body healing.

In your tissues, fibers, muscles, tendons, ligaments, arteries, bones,

skins, hairs are storing energy , I call them " the potential energy

" . Now , it is the time for me to use it. I insert the needle through

your skin and into your tissues, fibers or muscles.... and manipulate

this little thing to vibrate you tissues. When they are vibrating,

they release some of their stored energies, and the electrical or

chemical energy will travel to your brain " celebral cortex " as a

message and then endorphin is released as in a form of chemical energy

to heal your problem. All it does, it must obey my command from my needle.

 

Thanks for all attention here. The above is just my experience in

vision and demonstrating the chemical and electrical. THere maybe more

in us will experience some wonderful things. I have used some sound

energy to treat patients, the effective was amazing.........

 

I hope we all learn more about energy and talk more about it in the

future and I am looking forward to hearing all of your experience.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Alon,

YOu may be right of a few volts or millivolts depends on the message

the brain needs, but I am refering the electrostatic energy when you

walk across the carpet, and then discharge it through the glass door

or any metal contact. YOu may experience. They are not a thousand but

several thousands. The thousands volts but with micro-current, a very

very low current of ampere does not kill us!

 

We are creating energy from rubbing and storing energy in our tissues,

but somehow wait for a chance to discharge.

If a heavy metal ball is place on a table, of course, there is no

energy there in a ball. YOu may use a small energy to move it off the

table and see what energy " the gravity " will do. If it falls on

something flat, THere is nothing happen. If it falls into an

electrical circuit, then it will be a big difference, depends on the

case. Each circuit the ball passes or touches depends on it current on

each path. THey are not always the same. However, I use the analogy

there to emphasize of a potential energy. If you use small voltage to

illustrate, they " M.D, or other ordinary people " may not see it.

 

A battery of a car is only 12v will not do anything if there is not a

complete circuit. Even though their polarities are very close, then a

needle if it touches those two polarities at the same times. It may

get burn or the battery exploded if the contact is big and stronger

than a needle " more ampere resistance " .

 

A needle can not directly produce electrical energy or power, but it

may be used to borrow, stimulate or ignite a connection.....

 

Thanks for your input. It is my honor to receive your input. These

will help us and myself further in future.

[Guest guest]

This is from by book and may help a little

 

Acupuncture points are said to possess lower skin impedance than surrounding

skin (Kho and Arnold 1997), and may be singular points in the surface of

bioelectric field epithelia that usually maintains a 30-100 mV deferential. This

voltage is said to be the potential difference across cell layers, not membrane

potential. Acupoints are also said to be points with high density of gap

junctions that are hexogonal protein complexes that form channels between

adjacent cells. Gap junctions facilitate intercellular communication and

increase electric conductivity (Shang ibid). Acupuncture points are also said to

" store " electric charges to a higher degree than surrounding tissues. (This is

called " capacitance, " at 0.002-0.5 mF [microfarads, units of capacitance], i.e,

the ability to store and slowly release electrical charges; Dumtirescu 1977;

1989, or 01-1mF according to Ionescu-Tiroviste and Pruna 1990). Acupuncture

points are also intimately related to the distribution of nerve trunks, motor

endplates, and blood vessels (Dung 1984; Gunn ibid; Chan 1984). which are

electrically active

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-

dr_namnguyen58

Chinese Medicine

Sunday, February 25, 2007 11:54 AM

Re: There are some trust in Oriental Medicine- the energy.

 

 

Dear Alon,

YOu may be right of a few volts or millivolts depends on the message

the brain needs, but I am refering the electrostatic energy when you

walk across the carpet, and then discharge it through the glass door

or any metal contact. YOu may experience. They are not a thousand but

several thousands. The thousands volts but with micro-current, a very

very low current of ampere does not kill us!

 

We are creating energy from rubbing and storing energy in our tissues,

but somehow wait for a chance to discharge.

If a heavy metal ball is place on a table, of course, there is no

energy there in a ball. YOu may use a small energy to move it off the

table and see what energy " the gravity " will do. If it falls on

something flat, THere is nothing happen. If it falls into an

electrical circuit, then it will be a big difference, depends on the

case. Each circuit the ball passes or touches depends on it current on

each path. THey are not always the same. However, I use the analogy

there to emphasize of a potential energy. If you use small voltage to

illustrate, they " M.D, or other ordinary people " may not see it.

 

A battery of a car is only 12v will not do anything if there is not a

complete circuit. Even though their polarities are very close, then a

needle if it touches those two polarities at the same times. It may

get burn or the battery exploded if the contact is big and stronger

than a needle " more ampere resistance " .

 

A needle can not directly produce electrical energy or power, but it

may be used to borrow, stimulate or ignite a connection.....

 

Thanks for your input. It is my honor to receive your input. These

will help us and myself further in future.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Alon,

We are not only dealing with points on the skin, the meridians here,

but we are also considering and working on muscle channels, and

tendons channels and or with other collaterals as well. There are

storages of thousands volts and it is triggered by a snap of

excitement or stimulation.

Even though we are not rubbing from the carpet, we can approach the a

door or an office from outside.

 

This is a thought for us to look further. The problem with such a high

voltage with very low current, we often do not cause a contraction or

an extension of a muscle, with the microsecond of discharging energy

not long enough to see the tissue working.

[Guest guest]

While one can say that fields from the cell aggregate into tissue and then into

organs and systems result electro-magnetic entity of considerable intensity. I

do not know of anyone documenting such high voltage even if one is to " short

circuit " via a needle. All discussions i have seen do not even come close to

such high volt outputs regardless of current

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-

dr_namnguyen58

Chinese Medicine

Sunday, February 25, 2007 2:01 PM

Re: There are some trust in Oriental Medicine- the energy.

 

 

Dear Alon,

We are not only dealing with points on the skin, the meridians here,

but we are also considering and working on muscle channels, and

tendons channels and or with other collaterals as well. There are

storages of thousands volts and it is triggered by a snap of

excitement or stimulation.

Even though we are not rubbing from the carpet, we can approach the a

door or an office from outside.

 

This is a thought for us to look further. The problem with such a high

voltage with very low current, we often do not cause a contraction or

an extension of a muscle, with the microsecond of discharging energy

not long enough to see the tissue working.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dr. Nguyen,

 

Can you give some reference on the voltage you are talking about here?

Are you talking about voltage spikes? (I am listening with an EE degree,

besides CM background.)

 

Thanks,

 

Mike L.

 

dr_namnguyen58 <dr_namnguyen58 wrote:

Dear Alon,

We are not only dealing with points on the skin, the meridians here,

but we are also considering and working on muscle channels, and

tendons channels and or with other collaterals as well. There are

storages of thousands volts and it is triggered by a snap of

excitement or stimulation.

Even though we are not rubbing from the carpet, we can approach the a

door or an office from outside.

 

This is a thought for us to look further. The problem with such a high

voltage with very low current, we often do not cause a contraction or

an extension of a muscle, with the microsecond of discharging energy

not long enough to see the tissue working.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Mike,

If you can measure the spike voltage ?

Or check with the Electronics book, you will see.

 

 

I am also an EE, computer Network Engineer, MCSE,

MCDBA...

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Dr. Nguyen,

 

You might want to google current research on microcurrent electrical therapy

(MET). You are correct that the body is electric, but in the

micro/picocurrent range. All cells have a cell membrane potential. This is

a charge and all activities within the cell; from protein synthesis to ATP

production takes energy to perform. That means each cell is a simple

capacitor, or " battery " if you will. You can find much information

concerning this on the web. The research is sound. I believe this " charge "

to be what we call Qi. My opinion only.

 

Hope this helps,

 

Dr. Don J. Snow, D.A.O.M., M.P.H., L.Ac.

 

 

>Mike Liaw <mikeliaw

>Chinese Medicine

>Chinese Medicine

>Re: Re: There are some trust in Oriental Medicine- the

>energy.

>Sun, 25 Feb 2007 16:35:41 -0800 (PST)

>

>Dr. Nguyen,

>

> Can you give some reference on the voltage you are talking about here?

> Are you talking about voltage spikes? (I am listening with an EE degree,

>besides CM background.)

>

> Thanks,

>

> Mike L.

>

>dr_namnguyen58 <dr_namnguyen58 wrote:

> Dear Alon,

>We are not only dealing with points on the skin, the meridians here,

>but we are also considering and working on muscle channels, and

>tendons channels and or with other collaterals as well. There are

>storages of thousands volts and it is triggered by a snap of

>excitement or stimulation.

>Even though we are not rubbing from the carpet, we can approach the a

>door or an office from outside.

>

>This is a thought for us to look further. The problem with such a high

>voltage with very low current, we often do not cause a contraction or

>an extension of a muscle, with the microsecond of discharging energy

>not long enough to see the tissue working.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

There is a very good book that's just been released which covers all

aspects of electroacupuncture including theory of the body and

electricity.

 

It's called Electroacupuncture and is by David Mayor, see

http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/product.php?xProd=119 & xSec=1

 

Attilio

www.chinesemedicinetimes.com

 

Chinese Medicine , " Donald Snow "

<don83407 wrote:

>

> Dr. Nguyen,

>

> You might want to google current research on microcurrent

electrical therapy

> (MET). You are correct that the body is electric, but in the

> micro/picocurrent range. All cells have a cell membrane

potential. This is

> a charge and all activities within the cell; from protein synthesis

to ATP

> production takes energy to perform. That means each cell is a

simple

> capacitor, or " battery " if you will. You can find much information

> concerning this on the web. The research is sound. I believe

this " charge "

> to be what we call Qi. My opinion only.

>

> Hope this helps,

>

> Dr. Don J. Snow, D.A.O.M., M.P.H., L.Ac.

>

>

> >Mike Liaw <mikeliaw

> >Chinese Medicine

> >Chinese Medicine

> >Re: Re: There are some trust in Oriental Medicine-

the

> >energy.

> >Sun, 25 Feb 2007 16:35:41 -0800 (PST)

> >

> >Dr. Nguyen,

> >

> > Can you give some reference on the voltage you are talking

about here?

> > Are you talking about voltage spikes? (I am listening with an

EE degree,

> >besides CM background.)

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Mike L.

> >

> >dr_namnguyen58 <dr_namnguyen58 wrote:

> > Dear Alon,

> >We are not only dealing with points on the skin, the meridians

here,

> >but we are also considering and working on muscle channels, and

> >tendons channels and or with other collaterals as well. There are

> >storages of thousands volts and it is triggered by a snap of

> >excitement or stimulation.

> >Even though we are not rubbing from the carpet, we can approach

the a

> >door or an office from outside.

> >

> >This is a thought for us to look further. The problem with such a

high

> >voltage with very low current, we often do not cause a contraction

or

> >an extension of a muscle, with the microsecond of discharging

energy

> >not long enough to see the tissue working.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

Dear Dr. John Snow,

 

Please address me as Nam your friend. I like being called this way.

Here is the link about ESD.

 

http://www.esda. org/documents/ esdfunds1print. pdf

 

Everybody can be right and I may be wrong and I will look further.

HOwever, we are only look into a cell like an atom on the ATP and

compare with a massive matter billions and billions of cells, not from

one cell to come up with picovolts, microvolts, millivolts, volts, and

kilovolts and megavolts........

 

The scientists are still developing million dollar structure to

prevent ESD... This is a serious matter.

I respect and love all questions and ideas from our coleague because

they make me learn more and expand my knowledge.

I brought up the energy " QI " and I wish everybody pay more

attenttion to all sources of Qi in order to treat patients with more

positive results. This is my intention.

Acupuncture had been existed for more than 2000 years, but has it

advanced itself as in Western Medicine????????????

 

It is about time for all of us, the young generation, to take part and

make Acupuncture grow, develop from it more and more, then to share

with all people in the universe. I hope all us, the brillant , look

more deeply into science and find out more keys to help us improving

our Acupuncture Science.

 

Energy not only from chemicals from ATPs, but from many sources as I

had mentioned earlier " heat, light, frequency, sound, magnetism,

electrical, gravity, elastic, resilience, kinetic, potential .... "

YOu can think of more if you keep asking yourself a question.

[Guest guest]

Nam

I do not think we can think of these being in series

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-

dr_namnguyen58

Chinese Medicine

Monday, February 26, 2007 7:43 AM

Re: There are some trust in Oriental Medicine- the energy.

 

 

Dear Dr. John Snow,

 

Please address me as Nam your friend. I like being called this way.

Here is the link about ESD.

 

http://www.esda. org/documents/ esdfunds1print. pdf

 

Everybody can be right and I may be wrong and I will look further.

HOwever, we are only look into a cell like an atom on the ATP and

compare with a massive matter billions and billions of cells, not from

one cell to come up with picovolts, microvolts, millivolts, volts, and

kilovolts and megavolts........

 

The scientists are still developing million dollar structure to

prevent ESD... This is a serious matter.

I respect and love all questions and ideas from our coleague because

they make me learn more and expand my knowledge.

I brought up the energy " QI " and I wish everybody pay more

attenttion to all sources of Qi in order to treat patients with more

positive results. This is my intention.

Acupuncture had been existed for more than 2000 years, but has it

advanced itself as in Western Medicine????????????

 

It is about time for all of us, the young generation, to take part and

make Acupuncture grow, develop from it more and more, then to share

with all people in the universe. I hope all us, the brillant , look

more deeply into science and find out more keys to help us improving

our Acupuncture Science.

 

Energy not only from chemicals from ATPs, but from many sources as I

had mentioned earlier " heat, light, frequency, sound, magnetism,

electrical, gravity, elastic, resilience, kinetic, potential .... "

YOu can think of more if you keep asking yourself a question.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Nam,

 

Yes, I am familiar with the static issues both at circuit board level and IC

level. One of my previous companyies and the current large company have gone

through a fairly elaborated process (with a lot of dollars spent) before nailing

down the problem and eventually lead to process improvements.

 

Electrostatic discharge(ESD) is the transfer of the static electricity (or,

electrical charge) between bodies at different electrical potentials, and the

the electrical charge is caused by an imbalance of electrons on the surface of a

material. I do understand and have experienced the discharge of statics as I

touch patients with needles among other experiences. Many researches have been

done, from the electrical or wave properties. However, I have yet to see a well

designed experiment to demonstrate ESD effefct within the body or the channels.

Unless I missed something, " ESD within the channels " is a self-conflicting

expression because I have yet to be convinced that the cells in the body or

channel can be considered different " bodies " in the definition of ESD.

 

Nonetheless, I am encouraged to see some one like you taking the time to think

about the physical model underneath the acupuncture.

 

Thank you for sharing the thoughts with us!

 

Mike L.

 

 

Nam Nguyen <dr_namnguyen58 wrote:

Dear Mike,

If you can measure the spike voltage ?

Or check with the Electronics book, you will see.

 

I am also an EE, computer Network Engineer, MCSE,

MCDBA...

 

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Mike and Nam

One can make a case for possible Piezo-electricity as crystalline structure may

release electrical charges when deformed or struck. Therefore movements within

the body may release and trigger piezo-electric activity.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-

Mike Liaw

Chinese Medicine

Monday, February 26, 2007 9:43 AM

Re: Re: There are some trust in Oriental Medicine- the energy.

 

 

Dear Nam,

 

Yes, I am familiar with the static issues both at circuit board level and IC

level. One of my previous companyies and the current large company have gone

through a fairly elaborated process (with a lot of dollars spent) before nailing

down the problem and eventually lead to process improvements.

 

Electrostatic discharge(ESD) is the transfer of the static electricity (or,

electrical charge) between bodies at different electrical potentials, and the

the electrical charge is caused by an imbalance of electrons on the surface of a

material. I do understand and have experienced the discharge of statics as I

touch patients with needles among other experiences. Many researches have been

done, from the electrical or wave properties. However, I have yet to see a well

designed experiment to demonstrate ESD effefct within the body or the channels.

Unless I missed something, " ESD within the channels " is a self-conflicting

expression because I have yet to be convinced that the cells in the body or

channel can be considered different " bodies " in the definition of ESD.

 

Nonetheless, I am encouraged to see some one like you taking the time to think

about the physical model underneath the acupuncture.

 

Thank you for sharing the thoughts with us!

 

Mike L.

 

 

Nam Nguyen <dr_namnguyen58 wrote:

Dear Mike,

If you can measure the spike voltage ?

Or check with the Electronics book, you will see.

 

I am also an EE, computer Network Engineer, MCSE,

MCDBA...

 

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[Guest guest]

Alon and Nam,

 

Piezoelectricity is far more likely than ESD, as far as I can see. IF one can

demonstrate there is crystal-like structures along the channels (or, in some

relationship wrt the

channels) it'd be interesting. Imagine the possible coupling or resonance

among artery/vein/neurons, thereby producing the effect of " channels? " Well,

this may be a wild dream, but heck.... so is the beginning of a lot of true

discoveries!

 

Mike L.

 

Alon Marcus <alonmarcus wrote:

Mike and Nam

One can make a case for possible Piezo-electricity as crystalline structure may

release electrical charges when deformed or struck. Therefore movements within

the body may release and trigger piezo-electric activity.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-

Mike Liaw

Chinese Medicine

Monday, February 26, 2007 9:43 AM

Re: Re: There are some trust in Oriental Medicine- the energy.

 

Dear Nam,

 

Yes, I am familiar with the static issues both at circuit board level and IC

level. One of my previous companyies and the current large company have gone

through a fairly elaborated process (with a lot of dollars spent) before nailing

down the problem and eventually lead to process improvements.

 

Electrostatic discharge(ESD) is the transfer of the static electricity (or,

electrical charge) between bodies at different electrical potentials, and the

the electrical charge is caused by an imbalance of electrons on the surface of a

material. I do understand and have experienced the discharge of statics as I

touch patients with needles among other experiences. Many researches have been

done, from the electrical or wave properties. However, I have yet to see a well

designed experiment to demonstrate ESD effefct within the body or the channels.

Unless I missed something, " ESD within the channels " is a self-conflicting

expression because I have yet to be convinced that the cells in the body or

channel can be considered different " bodies " in the definition of ESD.

 

Nonetheless, I am encouraged to see some one like you taking the time to think

about the physical model underneath the acupuncture.

 

Thank you for sharing the thoughts with us!

 

Mike L.

 

Nam Nguyen <dr_namnguyen58 wrote:

Dear Mike,

If you can measure the spike voltage ?

Or check with the Electronics book, you will see.

 

I am also an EE, computer Network Engineer, MCSE,

MCDBA...

 

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