Dr. needs help and be legalized- all created being equal!!!

[Guest guest]

Dear colleague,

Thanks all for expressing your opinion!

But think here! If O.M.D and Ph.D are not recognized anywhere in U.S

and not legally accredited, how dare some schools and some professors

are offering them? I am sorry to say this : " SOme of us are using

these titles too " .

 

I would strongly support the vote for Oriental Medicine to be

regulated anywhere, and eliminated all bad apples. I think we should

all be organized within our groups first before we are getting attention.

 

Why don't we ask for making this issue legally without the conflicts

of Medical doctors and among ourselves.

If we have no title we know it is very difficult to get extra attention.

Dr...... Kathleen , LAc, NCCA............ No Ph.D, OMD.... How do they

claim this is unprofessional? unethical ? We passed the exams and had

schooling and we have license to practice.

If we are call Mrs Kathleen, then how can we render the service???

Who are you to treat the diseases or illness if you are not a doctor!

 

I would like to see others " Ph.D, OMD " among us are addresing as

doctors in public, schools, clinic and we all should be addressed the

same. ALl those certificates should be immediately stop using now to

create all are equal. Those must get into a fight with us for the

title too. Otherwise, they think they all have those certificates,

they do not care to participate in this issue.

 

Medical doctors do not put Ph.D on their ads.

 

Those who received those certifications self-rating above the Master

Degrees and they publicly advertise them everywhere in schools,

business, clinic and conducting seminiars " CEU " .......... I think

all of us are aware of this!

I hardly see anybody called themselves just M.S, but OMD, Ph.D... I am

sorry to boast myself, there are others who claimed they are doctors,

Ph.D and OMD are not much better than I but some are much worse " In

theory, knowledge and experience " .

 

If you all agree, then we should do something or fight for the title

for the future.

 

If there is a grant for any PH.D or OMD anywhere in US, we should

first obtain them by default. Because currently we ,anywhere, are in

the same boat, not legally have that title. I had known someone bought

that title for $2,000.......... The reason I put any Ph.D to eliminate

someone who is practicing Acupuncture and herbs using Ph.D in law,

business, or any field not related.

 

 

What is your opinions?????????

[Guest guest]

Dr Nam,

Funny you should ask for my opinion. So here it is.

 

I am unsure of where you are located in the world but the US does have some

legit

doctorate degrees now offerred for TCM/OM. We have one PhD, in Classical

Chinese

medicine at AUCM (in CA), several (6) DAOM (in process of ACAOM accreditation)

and

even one DOM (with NOMAA recognition). Several schools also offer programs with

a

sister Chinese Univ. The first mentioned PhD is about as legit as it gets for

the US

TCM community, as each state decides these things independently and CA has given

its blessing to this one.

 

Varying state educational regulations is a big reason why we have such a

fractured

profession in the US. The DAOM offerrings are currently post-grad and so entry

is

by getting your Master's, which is what the profession intends to be entry level

for

some time. Eventually, the idea is to have entry as Master's but allow others

to sign

up for doctorate and just go longer. I am unsure of the NOMAA (DOM) for

their standards as they are having issues with the US Dept of Education.

 

On another note, there are many areas where we can start to improve our

integrity. False advertising is one but then so is attending a legit program.

You will not start to see this kind of change until things are forced to change

and that will not be anytime soon, we need to keep our numbers and please

as many as possible. Politics my friend is alive and well. I have been waiting

to see many of the so-called mom-and-pop schools close down but they

continue to remain in business with national accreditation blessing. So

what can you do?

 

Mike W. Bowser, L Ac

 

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> Chinese Medicine

> dr_namnguyen58

> Sun, 25 Feb 2007 15:50:08 +0000

> Re: Dr. needs help and be legalized- all created being equal!!!

>

> Dear colleague,

> Thanks all for expressing your opinion!

> But think here! If O.M.D and Ph.D are not recognized anywhere in U.S

> and not legally accredited, how dare some schools and some professors

> are offering them? I am sorry to say this : " SOme of us are using

> these titles too " .

> I would strongly support the vote for Oriental Medicine to be

> regulated anywhere, and eliminated all bad apples. I think we should

> all be organized within our groups first before we are getting attention.

> Why don't we ask for making this issue legally without the conflicts

> of Medical doctors and among ourselves.

> If we have no title we know it is very difficult to get extra attention.

> Dr...... Kathleen , LAc, NCCA............ No Ph.D, OMD.... How do they

> claim this is unprofessional? unethical ? We passed the exams and had

> schooling and we have license to practice.

> If we are call Mrs Kathleen, then how can we render the service???

> Who are you to treat the diseases or illness if you are not a doctor!

> I would like to see others " Ph.D, OMD " among us are addresing as

> doctors in public, schools, clinic and we all should be addressed the

> same. ALl those certificates should be immediately stop using now to

> create all are equal. Those must get into a fight with us for the

> title too. Otherwise, they think they all have those certificates,

> they do not care to participate in this issue.

> Medical doctors do not put Ph.D on their ads.

> Those who received those certifications self-rating above the Master

> Degrees and they publicly advertise them everywhere in schools,

> business, clinic and conducting seminiars " CEU " .......... I think

> all of us are aware of this!

> I hardly see anybody called themselves just M.S, but OMD, Ph.D... I am

> sorry to boast myself, there are others who claimed they are doctors,

> Ph.D and OMD are not much better than I but some are much worse " In

> theory, knowledge and experience " .

> If you all agree, then we should do something or fight for the title

> for the future.

> If there is a grant for any PH.D or OMD anywhere in US, we should

> first obtain them by default. Because currently we ,anywhere, are in

> the same boat, not legally have that title. I had known someone bought

> that title for $2,000.......... The reason I put any Ph.D to eliminate

> someone who is practicing Acupuncture and herbs using Ph.D in law,

> business, or any field not related.

> What is your opinions?????????

>

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Mike,

 

I am from California just as you are.

Please do not address me as Dr. Nam. I am just like you are, call me

Nam is good, as your friend. It is just for the patient to call me as

in order to treat them with more positive attitude.

If we are affliated with Chinese School, first, these Chinese doctors

or physicians must be accepted in U.S. There are so many licensees or

certificates granted from different countries are worthless in U.S.

They can be bought just like in U.S.

 

I know and I had been introduced to get my OMD or Ph.D for less than

$2,000.00 14 years ago...... Others did do it, should we all ???

 

 

And I know the facts if these theses are to be re-evaluated by M.D or

accredited schools " equivalence " , it is a joke if they find out how

good they are.

 

But this is not a big issue to find our bad apples. But it is to be

legalized to get into a system of CAM....... Do you agree ?

What I am thinking is that the creation of this producing things are

not being equal. So if there is opening for Acupuncturist in clinic, I

do not care, but in hospitals I do care. I had interview with Kaiser

Permanente for Acupuncture and I was a loser because of this matter.

 

However, I did not specify the OMD and Ph.D because I do not want all

of us to look bad.

[Guest guest]

Nam,

 

FYI. Many M.D.s' with licenses issued by AMA do not have a U.S. medical

degree.

 

Mike L.

 

dr_namnguyen58 <dr_namnguyen58 wrote:

Dear Mike,

 

I am from California just as you are.

Please do not address me as Dr. Nam. I am just like you are, call me

Nam is good, as your friend. It is just for the patient to call me as

in order to treat them with more positive attitude.

If we are affliated with Chinese School, first, these Chinese doctors

or physicians must be accepted in U.S. There are so many licensees or

certificates granted from different countries are worthless in U.S.

They can be bought just like in U.S.

 

I know and I had been introduced to get my OMD or Ph.D for less than

$2,000.00 14 years ago...... Others did do it, should we all ???

 

And I know the facts if these theses are to be re-evaluated by M.D or

accredited schools " equivalence " , it is a joke if they find out how

good they are.

 

But this is not a big issue to find our bad apples. But it is to be

legalized to get into a system of CAM....... Do you agree ?

What I am thinking is that the creation of this producing things are

not being equal. So if there is opening for Acupuncturist in clinic, I

do not care, but in hospitals I do care. I had interview with Kaiser

Permanente for Acupuncture and I was a loser because of this matter.

 

However, I did not specify the OMD and Ph.D because I do not want all

of us to look bad.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

I thought the states issued the medical licenses and the AMA was their

professional organization, which many MD

do not belong to.

 

Mike W. Bowser, L Ac

 

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> mikeliaw

> Sun, 25 Feb 2007 16:43:05 -0800

> Re: Re: Dr. needs help and be legalized- all created being

equal!!!

>

> Nam,

> FYI. Many M.D.s' with licenses issued by AMA do not have a U.S. medical

degree.

> Mike L.

> dr_namnguyen58 <dr_namnguyen58 wrote:

> Dear Mike,

> I am from California just as you are.

> Please do not address me as Dr. Nam. I am just like you are, call me

> Nam is good, as your friend. It is just for the patient to call me as

> in order to treat them with more positive attitude.

> If we are affliated with Chinese School, first, these Chinese doctors

> or physicians must be accepted in U.S. There are so many licensees or

> certificates granted from different countries are worthless in U.S.

> They can be bought just like in U.S.

> I know and I had been introduced to get my OMD or Ph.D for less than

> $2,000.00 14 years ago...... Others did do it, should we all ???

> And I know the facts if these theses are to be re-evaluated by M.D or

> accredited schools " equivalence " , it is a joke if they find out how

> good they are.

> But this is not a big issue to find our bad apples. But it is to be

> legalized to get into a system of CAM....... Do you agree ?

> What I am thinking is that the creation of this producing things are

> not being equal. So if there is opening for Acupuncturist in clinic, I

> do not care, but in hospitals I do care. I had interview with Kaiser

> Permanente for Acupuncture and I was a loser because of this matter.

> However, I did not specify the OMD and Ph.D because I do not want all

> of us to look bad.

>

> Want to start your own business? Learn how on Small Business.

>

[Guest guest]

Ok Nam,

 

I would like to point out that no foreign licenses are accepted in the US. You

need

to send in an application to the appropriate board and sit for an exam,

depending

upon what your state's requirements state. While there may have been some

that can say they bought a degree, taking a licensing exam is quite another

thing.

IF you know of someone who did this then report it to the appropriate licensing

board, they may be interested. I seem to remember that 14 years ago, the OMD

was about $2000 total. I also heard this from some who did the training. I

think

it is important to understand that back then it was a way to show you did more

advanced training. There was a two tiered system, thanks in part to the

accreditation

agency which made the CA programs drop the OMD and accept the standard Master's

as entry level. So here we are today as a result. You might want to look into

getting

your DAOM/PhD and then you might get more hospital interest.

 

Mike W. Bowser, L Ac

 

________________________________

> Chinese Medicine

> dr_namnguyen58

> Sun, 25 Feb 2007 21:44:49 +0000

> Re: Dr. needs help and be legalized- all created being equal!!!

>

> Dear Mike,

> I am from California just as you are.

> Please do not address me as Dr. Nam. I am just like you are, call me

> Nam is good, as your friend. It is just for the patient to call me as

> in order to treat them with more positive attitude.

> If we are affliated with Chinese School, first, these Chinese doctors

> or physicians must be accepted in U.S. There are so many licensees or

> certificates granted from different countries are worthless in U.S.

> They can be bought just like in U.S.

> I know and I had been introduced to get my OMD or Ph.D for less than

> $2,000.00 14 years ago...... Others did do it, should we all ???

> And I know the facts if these theses are to be re-evaluated by M.D or

> accredited schools " equivalence " , it is a joke if they find out how

> good they are.

> But this is not a big issue to find our bad apples. But it is to be

> legalized to get into a system of CAM....... Do you agree ?

> What I am thinking is that the creation of this producing things are

> not being equal. So if there is opening for Acupuncturist in clinic, I

> do not care, but in hospitals I do care. I had interview with Kaiser

> Permanente for Acupuncture and I was a loser because of this matter.

> However, I did not specify the OMD and Ph.D because I do not want all

> of us to look bad.

>

 

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