Need advice: how to develope network of therapists to refer to?

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In cases like this, I use an interdisciplinary approach. I have a small

network of clinical social workers and psychologists to whom I frequently

refer for co-management of these sorts of cases. We stay in touch

frequently regarding the patient's progress. Both of these professional

groups tend to be very open to TCM and other forms of alternative medicine.

 

Avery:

 

 

wondering how you developed the network of therapists. how do you determine

whether a psycho therapist is effective and someone you can't confidently

refer to knowing the patients will improve rather than just spending years

in therapy?

 

kb

 

 

On 2/20/07, Dr. Avery Jenkins <docaltmed wrote:

>

> On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 04:49:36 -0500, starguard_1 <starguard_1

> wrote:

>

> > In my practice, I have found that many people that seek out Oriental

> > medicine " as a last resort " are very attached to their illnesses. The

> > illnesses seem to provide them with a lot of negative attention from

> > friends and family, and provide a convenient excuse not to do things.

> >

>

> In cases like this, I use an interdisciplinary approach. I have a small

> network of clinical social workers and psychologists to whom I frequently

> refer for co-management of these sorts of cases. We stay in touch

> frequently regarding the patient's progress. Both of these professional

> groups tend to be very open to TCM and other forms of alternative

> medicine.

>

> I get them to the therapist by one of two methods. The first is to be

> straightforward with the patient; I simply tell them that I think that

> their illness has a strong psychological component, and I would like to

> get them to a specialist to help us figure out what role the psychological

> aspect is playing.

>

> In some cases, where there is a clearly recognizable disorder -- eg,

> depression -- I explain that part of their diagnosis is depression, and

> that in order to treat them appropriately, we need another pro on our

> team.

>

> Surprisingly, the first method -- being straightforward -- often works

> when you think it wouldn't.

>

> Yeah, I lose patients this way. But another way I lose patients is when I

> diagnose alcoholism. With alcoholics, I draw a very firm line; they either

> get into a 12-step or other addiction program, see a mental health

> professional, or I refuse to treat them. I lose 98% of those patients, and

> a lot of times I feel bad about it. After all, maybe I could have helped

> them some?

>

> At least, I used to feel bad about it, until one day I asked a new patient

> how they heard about me, and they told me it was from another patient who

> was one of those with whom I was blunt and they walked out the door never

> to return. The new patient had met the former patient at a rehab center.

> He said " I'm here because of Dr. Jenkins. He saved my life. "

>

> So, I figure even with those patients who cannot consciously accept that

> they are desiring their disease, I may have planted a seed which will

> blossom later.

>

>

> Avery L. Jenkins, DC, FIAMA, DACBN

> Chiropractic Physician

> Fellow, International Academy of Medical Acupuncturists

> Diplomate, American Clinical Board of Nutrition

> www.docaltmed.com

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Kath:

 

You raise a good question. I have referred people to a therapist and if they

stay with it , it is years. I do see that they calm down a lot, but I have to

say, I don't think the deeper issues are being addressed quickly enough. Just

my opinion.

 

One patient came to me in a state - depression, I saw possession. I had treated

her earlier but she had a big break. She said she had just gone to a

physciatrist who prescribel the usual meds and he told her to go to therapy. I

then recommended someone I knew. She had great success going to both of us and

eventually the therapist let her go - one to two years. I have people who have

been with her longer than that and again, I would like to see things happen

sooner.

 

I am personally attracted to Hypnotherapy, Kinesiology, Results System (don't

know much about this, something like EMDR). I have been working with someone

who does these things and I am seeing immediate changes.. I get 5 E acupuncture

and have for 12 years. That changed my life on a deep level, even after just 3

months of regular treatment. So folks, I have a firm believer in acupuncture

moving, changing, and reaching us on a deep level. I just think the tools like

I mentioned above may help us move faster.

 

Anne

 

P.S. Kath Avery was taking a break from us. If you are still here Avery, would

love to hear your comments.

 

-------------- Original message ----------------------

" "

> In cases like this, I use an interdisciplinary approach. I have a small

> network of clinical social workers and psychologists to whom I frequently

> refer for co-management of these sorts of cases. We stay in touch

> frequently regarding the patient's progress. Both of these professional

> groups tend to be very open to TCM and other forms of alternative medicine.

>

> Avery:

>

>

> wondering how you developed the network of therapists. how do you determine

> whether a psycho therapist is effective and someone you can't confidently

> refer to knowing the patients will improve rather than just spending years

> in therapy?

>

> kb

>

>

> On 2/20/07, Dr. Avery Jenkins <docaltmed wrote:

> >

> > On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 04:49:36 -0500, starguard_1 <starguard_1

> > wrote:

> >

> > > In my practice, I have found that many people that seek out Oriental

> > > medicine " as a last resort " are very attached to their illnesses. The

> > > illnesses seem to provide them with a lot of negative attention from

> > > friends and family, and provide a convenient excuse not to do things.

> > >

> >

> > In cases like this, I use an interdisciplinary approach. I have a small

> > network of clinical social workers and psychologists to whom I frequently

> > refer for co-management of these sorts of cases. We stay in touch

> > frequently regarding the patient's progress. Both of these professional

> > groups tend to be very open to TCM and other forms of alternative

> > medicine.

> >

> > I get them to the therapist by one of two methods. The first is to be

> > straightforward with the patient; I simply tell them that I think that

> > their illness has a strong psychological component, and I would like to

> > get them to a specialist to help us figure out what role the psychological

> > aspect is playing.

> >

> > In some cases, where there is a clearly recognizable disorder -- eg,

> > depression -- I explain that part of their diagnosis is depression, and

> > that in order to treat them appropriately, we need another pro on our

> > team.

> >

> > Surprisingly, the first method -- being straightforward -- often works

> > when you think it wouldn't.

> >

> > Yeah, I lose patients this way. But another way I lose patients is when I

> > diagnose alcoholism. With alcoholics, I draw a very firm line; they either

> > get into a 12-step or other addiction program, see a mental health

> > professional, or I refuse to treat them. I lose 98% of those patients, and

> > a lot of times I feel bad about it. After all, maybe I could have helped

> > them some?

> >

> > At least, I used to feel bad about it, until one day I asked a new patient

> > how they heard about me, and they told me it was from another patient who

> > was one of those with whom I was blunt and they walked out the door never

> > to return. The new patient had met the former patient at a rehab center.

> > He said " I'm here because of Dr. Jenkins. He saved my life. "

> >

> > So, I figure even with those patients who cannot consciously accept that

> > they are desiring their disease, I may have planted a seed which will

> > blossom later.

> >

> >

> > Avery L. Jenkins, DC, FIAMA, DACBN

> > Chiropractic Physician

> > Fellow, International Academy of Medical Acupuncturists

> > Diplomate, American Clinical Board of Nutrition

> > www.docaltmed.com

> > --

> > --

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> > Physician-Patient confidentiality, or, (2) strictly confidential. If you

> > are not the intended recipient of this message, you may not disclose,

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> > criminal law.

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> >

> >

> > and adjust

> > accordingly.

> >

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