Frequency of use of Guijing versus Rujing

[Guest guest]

Hi Mike & All,

 

Mike wrote:

> Phil, I am amused by your way of estimating the frequency of usage.

 

Amusing or incorrect, MIke? Please expand.

 

The best place to search is in the original texts themselves. However, as I

have not access to digitised copies of the source texts, I use WWW,

assuming that its content reflects current usage of the terms. What better

way do you suggest?

 

http://www.cintcm.com/index.htm is a great repository of digitised TCM data.

Would be it be better to use that source when searching for TCM terms?

 

If so, the ratio of cintcm hits for guijing / rujing [in simple and full-form

hanzi

terms] is 532 / 8.

 

See:

 

http://tinyurl.com/ys4kxj has 532 for cintcm " " OR " "

http://tinyurl.com/yvpvtj has 8 hits for cintcm " " OR " "

 

Another search, this time using the hanzi terms for Shanghanlun and guijing

or rujing:

 

http://tinyurl.com/2ruurk has 8,740 hits for " " " " OR " "

http://tinyurl.com/3avqyy has 1,130 hits for " " " " OR " "

 

I come to the same conclusion as before: in the data searched, the term for

Guijing is used more often than the term for Rujing.

 

Best regards,

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

On Friday 02 March 2007 6:55 am, wrote:

 

Hi Dr. Phil!

 

I often make " rough " estimates about a topic's popularity by the number of

google hits, in a way this is research. Since your choice of word was

" suggests " there is no way that you could be " incorrect " . " Amusing " does not

necessarily imply falsehood, and I also agree that it is amusing.

 

> Hi Mike & All,

>

> Mike wrote:

> > Phil, I am amused by your way of estimating the frequency of usage.

>

> Amusing or incorrect, MIke? Please expand.

>

> The best place to search is in the original texts themselves. However, as I

> have not access to digitised copies of the source texts, I use WWW,

> assuming that its content reflects current usage of the terms. What better

> way do you suggest?

>

> http://www.cintcm.com/index.htm is a great repository of digitised TCM

> data. Would be it be better to use that source when searching for TCM

> terms?

>

> If so, the ratio of cintcm hits for guijing / rujing [in simple and

> full-form hanzi terms] is 532 / 8.

>

> See:

>

> http://tinyurl.com/ys4kxj has 532 for cintcm " " OR " "

> http://tinyurl.com/yvpvtj has 8 hits for cintcm " " OR " "

>

> Another search, this time using the hanzi terms for Shanghanlun and guijing

> or rujing:

>

> http://tinyurl.com/2ruurk has 8,740 hits for " " " " OR " "

> http://tinyurl.com/3avqyy has 1,130 hits for " " " " OR " "

>

> I come to the same conclusion as before: in the data searched, the term for

> Guijing is used more often than the term for Rujing.

>

> Best regards,

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Phil, and Pete,

 

Actually, I meant to save it as a draft as I was interrupted by my spouse

while composing the e-mail; I now realize I clicked on Send instead. (I rarely,

if at all, send an e-mail without signing at the end.)

 

OK. amusing or not? Well, counting the Google hits is *a* way; drawing from

one's personal experience is *another* way, but I couldn't tell which one is

more right. What's " amusing " to me at that moment was, all of a sudden I

realized you (and a lot of people probably are on your side too :-) were taking

the Google hit seriously as if it's almost equivalent to truth. On the other

hand, I don't have a way to " prove " it's wrong either, but, honestly, I read it

with a bit of skipticism.

 

At any rate, I have a couple of comments:

 

* # of Google hit gives the number of times a term appears *somewhere* in the

web.

Can one really equate this number to how often it's used in life? I seriously

doubt it.

(Just for an entertainment: " www " has 7140 million hits; " MySpace " has 182

million hits; " dinner " has 149 million hits. I am not sure about you but I don't

say www 50 times more often than dinner. :-)

 

* I personally tend to use Guijing when I write it down, but use Rujing more

often when speaking. I am not sure about others, but if others have a similar

habbit maybe the higher hits of Guijing is not a surprise.

 

Well, talking about amusing, why do I spend time arguing something like this?

I don't know :-) Maybe it's TGIF!

 

Mike L.

 

Pete Theisen <petetheisen wrote:

On Friday 02 March 2007 6:55 am, wrote:

 

Hi Dr. Phil!

 

I often make " rough " estimates about a topic's popularity by the number of

google hits, in a way this is research. Since your choice of word was

" suggests " there is no way that you could be " incorrect " . " Amusing " does not

necessarily imply falsehood, and I also agree that it is amusing.

 

> Hi Mike & All,

>

> Mike wrote:

> > Phil, I am amused by your way of estimating the frequency of usage.

>

> Amusing or incorrect, MIke? Please expand.

>

> The best place to search is in the original texts themselves. However, as I

> have not access to digitised copies of the source texts, I use WWW,

> assuming that its content reflects current usage of the terms. What better

> way do you suggest?

>

> http://www.cintcm.com/index.htm is a great repository of digitised TCM

> data. Would be it be better to use that source when searching for TCM

> terms?

>

> If so, the ratio of cintcm hits for guijing / rujing [in simple and

> full-form hanzi terms] is 532 / 8.

>

> See:

>

> http://tinyurl.com/ys4kxj has 532 for cintcm " " OR " "

> http://tinyurl.com/yvpvtj has 8 hits for cintcm " " OR " "

>

> Another search, this time using the hanzi terms for Shanghanlun and guijing

> or rujing:

>

> http://tinyurl.com/2ruurk has 8,740 hits for " " " " OR " "

> http://tinyurl.com/3avqyy has 1,130 hits for " " " " OR " "

>

> I come to the same conclusion as before: in the data searched, the term for

> Guijing is used more often than the term for Rujing.

>

> Best regards,

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> * I personally tend to use Guijing when I write it down, but use

Rujing more often when speaking. I am not sure about others, but if

others have a similar habbit maybe the higher hits of Guijing is not a

surprise.

 

Spoken Chinese and written Chinese often have different habits, and

there are many phrases that are often written but rarely spoken, and

vice versa. Guijing is often written as a heading, and then is

followed by " ru A, B, and C jing. " In English that would look like:

Channel Entry (guijing): Enters (ru) the A, B, and C channels (jing).

Because the guijing phrase appears together and the rujing phrase is

divided with channel names between the ru and the jing, it would get

fewer digital matches. Just a thought. Overall, it is not

significant, the meaning is the same and both terms are abundant in

common use.

 

Eric