Guest guest Posted April 19, 2007 Report Share Posted April 19, 2007 hey all, wondering if you tax the herbs you sell? I guess it would be by state, so specifically AZ & CA. Here in AZ they allow exempt for prescribed medicine by a naturopath or chiropractor, which is upsetting since they have far less training in chinese medicine than us, but the law also says the medicine can only be by prescription. since any retailer can sell our herbal medicine (though it takes a diagnosis to know what to get) this is frustrating to me. what's your input? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 29, 2007 Report Share Posted April 29, 2007 In Wisconsin, I am required to collect and pay sales tax on the herbs I sell. And on top of that, my municipality says that they are food, so I have to have a food dealer's license. In our state, tax is not collect on the sale of foods, so I talked to the state about not collecting sales tax. They said, no, they do not consider them food, so, yes, I must collect and pay sales tax. Everyone has their own definition and hand out! I am frustrated with the village because there are other practitioners (LAc, DC) who sell nutritional supplements but the village doesn't know they are and therefore does not require them to have the food dealer's license. I have massage therapists and it was on a health inspection that the inspector saw supplements and then said I needed the license. While I don't want to " report " other practitioners, it doesn't feel like a level playing field and harder to make a living while paying everyone for various fees in order to do business. Sorry for the rant. It is a favorite pet peeve of mine. PS. When I mentioned to the Health Dept my frustration that other's sold product and were not required to have a license (w/0 naming names) they responded that they didn't have time to check into everyone. Anyone else out there have to have a food dealer's license? Meredith Chinese Medicine , " Sami Rank LAc " <herbsnacupnxr wrote: > > hey all, wondering if you tax the herbs you sell? I guess it would be > by state, so specifically AZ & CA. Here in AZ they allow exempt for > prescribed medicine by a naturopath or chiropractor, which is > upsetting since they have far less training in chinese medicine than > us, but the law also says the medicine can only be by prescription. > since any retailer can sell our herbal medicine (though it takes a > diagnosis to know what to get) this is frustrating to me. > > what's your input? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2007 Report Share Posted April 30, 2007 California is similar to AZ in that licensed acupuncturists are required to charge sales tax on herbs and supplements while other professions (MDs, chiros, for example) are exempted. We missed the boat back when the laws were originally drafted. --Bill. -- Bill Mosca, LAc Executive Director California State Oriental Medical Association (CSOMA) 703 Market Street, Suite 250 San Francisco • CA • 94103-2100 [Toll Free Voice]: (800) 477-4564 • [Fax]: (415) 357-1940 : bill • [Website]: csomaonline.org On Apr 19, 2007, at 7:37 AM, Sami Rank LAc wrote: > hey all, wondering if you tax the herbs you sell? I guess it would be > by state, so specifically AZ & CA. Here in AZ they allow exempt for > prescribed medicine by a naturopath or chiropractor, which is > upsetting since they have far less training in chinese medicine than > us, but the law also says the medicine can only be by prescription. > since any retailer can sell our herbal medicine (though it takes a > diagnosis to know what to get) this is frustrating to me. > > what's your input? > > > > Subscribe to the fee online journal for TCM at > Times http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com > > Download the all new TCM Forum Toolbar, click, http:// > toolbar.thebizplace.com/LandingPage.aspx/CT145145 > > http:// > and adjust > accordingly. > > Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside > the group requires prior permission from the author. > > Please consider the environment and only print this message if > absolutely necessary. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2007 Report Share Posted May 1, 2007 Is there a way to change this? I don't understand how certain professions are exempted from collecting sales tax, while other professions licensed to dispense supplements and herbs (like us!) are required to collect tax on items that could be construed as types of food items. So ridiculous.... Chinese Medicine , Bill Mosca <mosca wrote: > > California is similar to AZ in that licensed acupuncturists are > required to charge sales tax on herbs and supplements while other > professions (MDs, chiros, for example) are exempted. > > We missed the boat back when the laws were originally drafted. > > --Bill. > -- > Bill Mosca, LAc > Executive Director > California State Oriental Medical Association (CSOMA) > 703 Market Street, Suite 250 > San Francisco • CA • 94103-2100 > [Toll Free Voice]: (800) 477-4564 • [Fax]: (415) 357-1940 > : bill • [Website]: csomaonline.org > > > On Apr 19, 2007, at 7:37 AM, Sami Rank LAc wrote: > > > hey all, wondering if you tax the herbs you sell? I guess it would be > > by state, so specifically AZ & CA. Here in AZ they allow exempt for > > prescribed medicine by a naturopath or chiropractor, which is > > upsetting since they have far less training in chinese medicine than > > us, but the law also says the medicine can only be by prescription. > > since any retailer can sell our herbal medicine (though it takes a > > diagnosis to know what to get) this is frustrating to me. > > > > what's your input? > > > > > > > > Subscribe to the fee online journal for TCM at > > Times http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com > > > > Download the all new TCM Forum Toolbar, click, http:// > > toolbar.thebizplace.com/LandingPage.aspx/CT145145 > > > > http:// > > and adjust > > accordingly. > > > > Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside > > the group requires prior permission from the author. > > > > Please consider the environment and only print this message if > > absolutely necessary. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2007 Report Share Posted May 2, 2007 , Changing the sales tax situation requires a change in CA law. An attempt was made about six years ago but failed. A year or so ago, I spoke with now state controller John Chiang (who oversees the tax board and has supported past efforts to get us an exemption). I asked him why he thought we failed to get an exemption. He was blunt... The profession lacks the political clout to push a bill through the legislature that would result in a loss of state revenue--however small. It boils down to political power. Until we start building political muscle by supporting our state associations in large numbers, we're going to continue to be the 98 pound weakling of the health care world. As much as I wished this wasn't the way that politics worked, it's the reality we face. --Bill. -- Bill Mosca, LAc Executive Director California State Oriental Medical Association (CSOMA) 703 Market Street, Suite 250 San Francisco • CA • 94103-2100 [Toll Free Voice]: (800) 477-4564 • [Fax]: (415) 357-1940 : bill • [Website]: csomaonline.org On May 1, 2007, at 2:55 PM, wrote: > Is there a way to change this? I don't understand how certain > professions are exempted from collecting sales tax, while other > professions licensed to dispense supplements and herbs (like us!) > are required to collect tax on items that could be construed as > types of food items. So ridiculous.... > > --- , Bill Mosca > <mosca wrote: >> >> California is similar to AZ in that licensed acupuncturists are >> required to charge sales tax on herbs and supplements while other >> professions (MDs, chiros, for example) are exempted. >> >> We missed the boat back when the laws were originally drafted. >> >> --Bill. >> -- >> Bill Mosca, LAc >> Executive Director >> California State Oriental Medical Association (CSOMA) >> 703 Market Street, Suite 250 >> San Francisco • CA • 94103-2100 >> [Toll Free Voice]: (800) 477-4564 • [Fax]: (415) 357-1940 >> : bill • [Website]: csomaonline.org >> >> >> On Apr 19, 2007, at 7:37 AM, Sami Rank LAc wrote: >> >>> hey all, wondering if you tax the herbs you sell? I guess it > would be >>> by state, so specifically AZ & CA. Here in AZ they allow exempt > for >>> prescribed medicine by a naturopath or chiropractor, which is >>> upsetting since they have far less training in chinese medicine > than >>> us, but the law also says the medicine can only be by > prescription. >>> since any retailer can sell our herbal medicine (though it takes > a >>> diagnosis to know what to get) this is frustrating to me. >>> >>> what's your input? >>> >>> >>> >>> Subscribe to the fee online journal for TCM at >>> Times http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com >>> >>> Download the all new TCM Forum Toolbar, click, http:// >>> toolbar.thebizplace.com/LandingPage.aspx/CT145145 >>> >>> http:// >>> and > adjust >>> accordingly. >>> >>> Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication > outside >>> the group requires prior permission from the author. >>> >>> Please consider the environment and only print this message if >>> absolutely necessary. >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2007 Report Share Posted May 5, 2007 i'm with you on the tax on herbs thing: why are we paying tax on herbs when chiros aren't paying tax on nut supps? and as medicine or food, shouldn't herbs be exempt from tax? any ideas on how to get the laws changed? i imagine it would require some intensive lobbying. the food dealer's lic? that's a new one. here in asheville nc, we have to file and pay income tax yearly on business property (desks, computers, office supplies, herbs et al) including submitting records of what is purchased/sold and to whom! kath On 4/29/07, natdoc48 <natdoc48 wrote: > > In Wisconsin, I am required to collect and pay sales tax on the herbs > I sell. And on top of that, my municipality says that they are food, > so I have to have a food dealer's license. In our state, tax is not > collect on the sale of foods, so I talked to the state about not > collecting sales tax. They said, no, they do not consider them food, > so, yes, I must collect and pay sales tax. > Everyone has their own definition and hand out! > > I am frustrated with the village because there are other practitioners > (LAc, DC) who sell nutritional supplements but the village doesn't > know they are and therefore does not require them to have the food > dealer's license. I have massage therapists and it was on a health > inspection that the inspector saw supplements and then said I needed > the license. > > While I don't want to " report " other practitioners, it doesn't feel > like a level playing field and harder to make a living while paying > everyone for various fees in order to do business. > > Sorry for the rant. It is a favorite pet peeve of mine. PS. When I > mentioned to the Health Dept my frustration that other's sold product > and were not required to have a license (w/0 naming names) they > responded that they didn't have time to check into everyone. > > Anyone else out there have to have a food dealer's license? > > Meredith > > --- In Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com>, > " Sami Rank LAc " > <herbsnacupnxr wrote: > > > > hey all, wondering if you tax the herbs you sell? I guess it would be > > by state, so specifically AZ & CA. Here in AZ they allow exempt for > > prescribed medicine by a naturopath or chiropractor, which is > > upsetting since they have far less training in chinese medicine than > > us, but the law also says the medicine can only be by prescription. > > since any retailer can sell our herbal medicine (though it takes a > > diagnosis to know what to get) this is frustrating to me. > > > > what's your input? > > > > > -- Kath Bartlett, LAc, MS, BA UCLA Oriental Medicine Experienced, Dedicated, Effective Asheville Center For 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777 kbartlett www.AcupunctureAsheville.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2007 Report Share Posted May 5, 2007 I think that we got both you beat in MN, where they have a provider care tax (2%) of our gross income for healthcare services for the poor that are then provided by MD/DO. So all of us CAM types are paying for allopathic care and patients do not get the op to receive any of our services. Kind of a slap in the face.Mike W. Bowser, L Ac : acukath: Fri, 4 May 2007 19:49:49 -0400Re: Re: tax on herbs? i'm with you on the tax on herbs thing: why are we paying tax on herbs whenchiros aren't paying tax on nut supps? and as medicine or food, shouldn'therbs be exempt from tax?any ideas on how to get the laws changed? i imagine it would require someintensive lobbying.the food dealer's lic? that's a new one. here in asheville nc, we have tofile and pay income tax yearly on business property (desks, computers,office supplies, herbs et al) including submitting records of what ispurchased/sold and to whom!kathOn 4/29/07, natdoc48 <natdoc48 wrote:>> In Wisconsin, I am required to collect and pay sales tax on the herbs> I sell. And on top of that, my municipality says that they are food,> so I have to have a food dealer's license. In our state, tax is not> collect on the sale of foods, so I talked to the state about not> collecting sales tax. They said, no, they do not consider them food,> so, yes, I must collect and pay sales tax.> Everyone has their own definition and hand out!>> I am frustrated with the village because there are other practitioners> (LAc, DC) who sell nutritional supplements but the village doesn't> know they are and therefore does not require them to have the food> dealer's license. I have massage therapists and it was on a health> inspection that the inspector saw supplements and then said I needed> the license.>> While I don't want to " report " other practitioners, it doesn't feel> like a level playing field and harder to make a living while paying> everyone for various fees in order to do business.>> Sorry for the rant. It is a favorite pet peeve of mine. PS. When I> mentioned to the Health Dept my frustration that other's sold product> and were not required to have a license (w/0 naming names) they> responded that they didn't have time to check into everyone.>> Anyone else out there have to have a food dealer's license?>> Meredith>> --- In Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com>,> " Sami Rank LAc " > <herbsnacupnxr wrote:> >> > hey all, wondering if you tax the herbs you sell? I guess it would be> > by state, so specifically AZ & CA. Here in AZ they allow exempt for> > prescribed medicine by a naturopath or chiropractor, which is> > upsetting since they have far less training in chinese medicine than> > us, but the law also says the medicine can only be by prescription.> > since any retailer can sell our herbal medicine (though it takes a> > diagnosis to know what to get) this is frustrating to me.> >> > what's your input?> >>> >-- Board Certified in Oriental Medicine, NCCAOMExperienced, Dedicated, EffectiveAsheville Center For 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing TwoAsheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777kbartlett[Non-t\ ext portions of this message have been removed] _______________ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create & wx_url=/friends.aspx & mkt=\ en-us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2007 Report Share Posted May 6, 2007 that's crazy. its comforting to know that the ama, insurance and pharmaceutical industries are alive and well. . . k On 5/4/07, mike Bowser <naturaldoc1 wrote: > > I think that we got both you beat in MN, where they have a provider care > tax (2%) > of our gross income for healthcare services for the poor that are then > provided by > MD/DO. So all of us CAM types are paying for allopathic care and patients > do not get > the op to receive any of our services. Kind of a slap in the face.Mike W. > Bowser, L Ac > > To: Chinese Medicine<Chinese Medicine%40\ From>: > acukath <acukath%40gmail.comDate>: Fri, 4 May 2007 19:49:49 > -0400Re: Re: tax on herbs? > > i'm with you on the tax on herbs thing: why are we paying tax on herbs > whenchiros aren't paying tax on nut supps? and as medicine or food, > shouldn'therbs be exempt from tax?any ideas on how to get the laws changed? > i imagine it would require someintensive lobbying.the food dealer's lic? > that's a new one. here in asheville nc, we have tofile and pay income tax > yearly on business property (desks, computers,office supplies, herbs et al) > including submitting records of what ispurchased/sold and to whom!kathOn > 4/29/07, natdoc48 <natdoc48 <natdoc48%40>> wrote:>> In > Wisconsin, I am required to collect and pay sales tax on the herbs> I sell. > And on top of that, my municipality says that they are food,> so I have to > have a food dealer's license. In our state, tax is not> collect on the sale > of foods, so I talked to the state about not> collecting sales tax. They > said, no, they do not consider them food,> so, yes, I must collect and pay > sales tax.> Everyone has their own definition and hand out!>> I am > frustrated with the village because there are other practitioners> (LAc, DC) > who sell nutritional supplements but the village doesn't> know they are and > therefore does not require them to have the food> dealer's license. I have > massage therapists and it was on a health> inspection that the inspector saw > supplements and then said I needed> the license.>> While I don't want to > " report " other practitioners, it doesn't feel> like a level playing field > and harder to make a living while paying> everyone for various fees in order > to do business.>> Sorry for the rant. It is a favorite pet peeve of mine. > PS. When I> mentioned to the Health Dept my frustration that other's sold > product> and were not required to have a license (w/0 naming names) they> > responded that they didn't have time to check into everyone.>> Anyone else > out there have to have a food dealer's license?>> Meredith>> --- In > Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com><Chinese Medicine%40>,> > " Sami Rank LAc " > <herbsnacupnxr wrote:> >> > hey all, wondering if you > tax the herbs you sell? I guess it would be> > by state, so specifically AZ > & CA. Here in AZ they allow exempt for> > prescribed medicine by a > naturopath or chiropractor, which is> > upsetting since they have far less > training in chinese medicine than> > us, but the law also says the medicine > can only be by prescription.> > since any retailer can sell our herbal > medicine (though it takes a> > diagnosis to know what to get) this is > frustrating to me.> >> > what's your input?> >>> >-- Kath Bartlett, LAc, MS, > BA UCLAOriental MedicineExperienced, Dedicated, > EffectiveAsheville Center For 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West > Wing TwoAsheville, NC 28801 > 828.258.2777kbartlett<828.2\ 58.2777kbartlett%40AcupunctureAsheville.comwww.AcupunctureAsheville.com>[Non-tex\ t > portions of this message have been removed] > > ________ > Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live > Spaces. It's easy! > > http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create & wx_url=/friends.aspx & mkt=\ en-us > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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