Guest guest Posted June 22, 2004 Report Share Posted June 22, 2004 Hello, Butch and All, I, too, received that email. I know of people whom bought that spikenard (no one mentioned whether or not they got a chance to actually see Jesus or even Mary M.). So, this morning when I got the email, I went looking for the sense of knowing. I found enough religious sites for me to change my search to something that I have not seen, which was the frankincense hydrosol (I regularly use the essential oil and resins). I came up with a couple of sites that offered it, one of which has been on the idma list at least as long as I have. None of the sites I looked at specified if the " frankincense hydrosol " was a floral water (eo blended into water) or a true hydrosol/distillate (steam distillation leftover). I only spent about 45 minutes looking - so there may be more info out there. But I must admit, I do have an interest in a true frankincense hydrosol - Butch, maybe you may know something.... back to lurking j wrote: > Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:22:05 -0700 > Butch Owen <butchbsi >OT: Using Religion to Fleece the Lambs ** Gary Young ** You Got Competition > >Hi y'all, > >I spent 30 years of my life in uniform .. 20 of them in military law >enforcement, often having to deal with folks who couldn't get it all >together in their minds and their lives, so I should not be surprised at >anything I see spewing forth from the devious minds of men .. but still >I am .. sometimes. The following is a mystery to me .. maybe it should >not be .. the Islamic Fundamentalist Suicide Bombers are not a mystery. >I understand the how and why they came to be what they are .. but the >below is not a propaganda scheme directed at weak minded extremists who >are willing to trade today for a promise of a better tomorrow .. it >appears to be directed at the folks we run across in our daily lives. > >Many of you will remember the Spikenard - Mary Magdalene Experiment. > >This is Part II of that scam. > >There is an organization .. called the Emissary Of Light .. >http://www.emissaryoflight.com/ >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2004 Report Share Posted June 22, 2004 Thank you Butch for this very enlightening information. I've been receiving info from James Twyman for a long time about his Indigo children's programs/project and they never made much since to me. NOW it does. Thanks again for is important info. Namaste, Rita Butch Owen <butchbsi wrote: Hi y'all, I spent 30 years of my life in uniform .. 20 of them in military law enforcement, often having to deal with folks who couldn't get it all together in their minds and their lives, so I should not be surprised at anything I see spewing forth from the devious minds of men .. but still I am .. sometimes. The following is a mystery to me .. maybe it should not be .. the Islamic Fundamentalist Suicide Bombers are not a mystery. I understand the how and why they came to be what they are .. but the below is not a propaganda scheme directed at weak minded extremists who are willing to trade today for a promise of a better tomorrow .. it appears to be directed at the folks we run across in our daily lives. Many of you will remember the Spikenard - Mary Magdalene Experiment. This is Part II of that scam. There is an organization .. called the Emissary Of Light .. http://www.emissaryoflight.com/ Run by a man .. his name is Albert James Twyman ... http://www.emissaryoflight.com/_.aspx?content=aboutjames & t_s=14 Twyman has a following .. in the Emissary of Light ... http://www.emissaryoflight.com/_.aspx?content=belovedcommunity & t_s=12 He has a seminary program .. https://secure03.serverlogic.com/belovedcommunity/PersonalProfile_Login_Seminary\ ..aspx?a=a & t_s=19 & redirectURL=%2fSeminary.aspx%3ft_s%3d19 He even collects donations for his work .. http://www.emissaryoflight.com/_.aspx?content=donation & t_s=22 He has an on line store .. selling this and that .. https://secure03.serverlogic.com/emissaryoflight/?t_s=21 He says he will open a Children's Home in Iraq .. and a Peace Center in Israel .. and he has peddled Spikenard .. http://www.emissaryoflight.com/P_.aspx?content=specialprojects & t_s=17 This Spikenard Experiment was designed as a Research Project .. http://www.emissaryoflight.com/_.aspx?content=generalinfospikenard They sold this " precious " Spikenard in 12 ml bottles for $45 .. http://www.emissaryoflight.com/_.aspx?content=spikenardexperiment & t_s=18 Then did a survey to see how many folks met Jesus after using it .. http://www.emissaryoflight.com/survey/ResultsOverview.asp?SurveyID=100 He makes many prophecies .. and on 12 December 2012 there will be a Great Time Shift .. no mention of Space Ships, etc.. http://www.emissaryoflight.com/P_.aspx?content=recentemails & t_t=10#msg_9 He offers prayers in the context of twelve religions .. http://www.emissaryoflight.com/_.aspx?content=peaceprayers & t_t=6 He comes across as an energetic, religious man who has a following and lots of irons in the fire at the same time .. and he appears to have a large organization. After the success of the Spikenard Experiment .. he offers Three More Gifts .. for only $39.00 one can get these Free Gifts consisting of a 5 ml bottle of Frankincense .. a 1 oz bottle of Frankincense Hydrosol and some Frankincense Resin .. and instructions on how to use it .. https://secure03.serverlogic.com/emissaryoflight/Default.aspx?CategoryID=10 This is not your every day run of the mill Frankincense. Twyman goes on to explain .... Beloved Friends, I'm writing this personal letter to you because you expressed interest in the " Three Gift Program, " beginning with the Frankincense kit. We will soon announce the launch of this project to everyone on the Beloved Community e-mail list, but we wanted to give you advance notice for placing early orders. The Frankincense kits are ready to be shipped, and we have a limited amount of the oil, hydrosol, and resins. THE PURPOSE OF THIS PROGRAM IS TO USE THE ESSENSE OF THE FRANKINCENSE, TO AWAKEN THE CHRIST CONSCIOUSNESS WITHIN YOU. Our first project, " The Mary Magdalene Experiment, " awakened the Divine Feminine energy, while Frankincense represents the balance between the masculine and feminine energies. I have been working with the Frankincense for a few months now, and it has been even more powerful than what I experienced through the Spikenard. As you already know, this was the first gift given to Jesus by the Magi when he was born, and at that time Frankincense was more precious than gold. It was, in fact, one of the most expensive substances on earth because the plant's subtle and esoteric qualities were very well known. Today much of that knowledge has been lost, and through this project we hope to regain so much. Your help and participation will be very valuable. We have prepared kits that present the Frankincense in three different forms: 1. 5 ml bottle of pure Frankincense essential oil 2. 1 oz bottle of Frankincense hydrosol (water soluble) 3. package of Frankincense resins for incense All three have been prepared by our friend Jack from Sense of Knowing on Maui, perhaps the finest and most sought after distiller in the world. He believes that the soul of the plant is retained through a special, slow form distillation process, and it is this aspect of the plant that inspires the human soul. His suggestion is that we approach the oil as if it was a person, asking it how we are to best blend our energy with its own. A cooperative process is then created between you and the plant's soul, and the results are profound. You will be the first group to have access to the Frankincense kit. We will alert the others who participated in the " Mary Magdalene Experiment " in about a week, after we've shipped your order. You will also have the opportunity to report the results of your own experimentation, just as you did with the Spikenard. Together we will learn and experience so much. Simply go to the online store at www.emissaryoflight.com or go to this link https://secure03.serverlogic.com/emissaryoflight/Default.aspx?CategoryID=10 to make your purchase. The kits have already been packaged, so you'll have yours within a week or so. Peace, James Is this organization in competition with Young Living? Or a branch of Young Living operating in harmony and collaboration with YL? Any of you folks know? I tried to track down this Jack, from Sense of Knowing on Maui because wanted to understand how a such a world-famous distiller on the Island of Maui would have ready access to Spikenard and Frankincense aromatic raw materials. I found only ... which I think is not Jack .. Sense of Knowing http://www.drbarrytaylor.com/about_barry_taylor.htm I searched Maui and Maui Essential Oils .. all I found was a listing of Young Living Events .. many by David Stewart and Gary Young .. and one on Maui by Gary Young. Interesting that YL members pay for entrance but the non-members get in free. http://www.youngliving.us/rs_frn_rwp_site.asp?REFERRER= & TARGET=scheduleofevents.\ html & SIDE_MENU=1 And this one deserves special mention .. they've been around since 1986, which according to them was long before the term " aromatherapy " was even known in the United States .. http://www.aromatherapy-center.com/ And this one that claims they blend EO in alignment with the intentions of the oil so all the vibrational gifts are released as one breaths in http://www.sacred-alchemy.net/oils-silver.htm But I was not able to locate Jack of Sense of Knowing on Maui. Do any of you good folks know anything about this? Who is Jack? I understand why Aromatherapy will NEVER be seen as legitimate and I wonder why I and hundreds of other folks bust butt TRYING to pass along good information in an industry that legally thrives on HYPE and MISINFORMATION, preys on the UNKNOWING and seems to be very successful in their efforts. Dealing in Essential Oils is the only occupation I have ever been in where there were no standards of conduct or quality .. and where I felt I was not accomplishing a lot. And now, more and more each day I find less pride in my efforts due to occupational association with those who legally use the business as a means of ripping off the public. I think I am wasting my time .. its likely that the other honest folks in this business are doing the same! The Good Guys are NOT going to win in this rat race .. why? Because like soldiers of civilized Nations, we do our best to play by the rules .. but the others make up the rules as they go along .. to fit their own desires. Y'all keep smiling. :-( Butch http://www.AV-AT.com Step By Step Instructions On Making Rose Petal Preserves: http://www.av-at.com/stuff/rosejam.html To adjust your group settings (i.e. go no mail) see the following link: /join Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2004 Report Share Posted June 22, 2004 Wow Butch! I never thought that you would say this! Are you having a bad day? I don't believe you or anyone else is wasting their time. Last night, I was talking to my aunt about the our military in Iraq and other countries. She said that maybe the U.S. should get out of other countries and quit pissing off terrorists. Otherwise, Americans are going to keep getting killed. I thought about this for a moment and came to the conclusion that no matter how I feel about war, Iraq, and terrorists, and that it may seem like a losing battle, doing something is better than nothing. If we did nothing, terrorism could be a MUCH larger problem than it is presently. Have you ever stopped and thought about how many people you have educated about YL and At in general? 6 years ago when I joined idma, I had never even heard of YL. But thanks to you and other list members, I was able to learn about this group and when YL came to my area I gave info to many business' who then decided not to carry their oils. Hopefully, many of those people also have spread the info I gave them. If GY did not have many of us trying to set the record straight, he might be much more popular than he is now. Please don't give up in this rat race! You are surely not alone. Laura > Dealing in Essential Oils is the only occupation I have ever been > in > where there were no standards of conduct or quality .. and where I > felt > I was not accomplishing a lot. And now, more and more each day I > find > less pride in my efforts due to occupational association with those > who > legally use the business as a means of ripping off the public. I > think > I am wasting my time .. its likely that the other honest folks in > this > business are doing the same! > > The Good Guys are NOT going to win in this rat race .. why? > > Because like soldiers of civilized Nations, we do our best to play > by > the rules .. but the others make up the rules as they go along .. to > fit > their own desires. > > Y'all keep smiling. :-( Butch http://www.AV-AT.com > > ______________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2004 Report Share Posted June 22, 2004 Hi y'all, I spent 30 years of my life in uniform .. 20 of them in military law enforcement, often having to deal with folks who couldn't get it all together in their minds and their lives, so I should not be surprised at anything I see spewing forth from the devious minds of men .. but still I am .. sometimes. The following is a mystery to me .. maybe it should not be .. the Islamic Fundamentalist Suicide Bombers are not a mystery. I understand the how and why they came to be what they are .. but the below is not a propaganda scheme directed at weak minded extremists who are willing to trade today for a promise of a better tomorrow .. it appears to be directed at the folks we run across in our daily lives. Many of you will remember the Spikenard - Mary Magdalene Experiment. This is Part II of that scam. There is an organization .. called the Emissary Of Light .. http://www.emissaryoflight.com/ Run by a man .. his name is Albert James Twyman ... http://www.emissaryoflight.com/_.aspx?content=aboutjames & t_s=14 Twyman has a following .. in the Emissary of Light ... http://www.emissaryoflight.com/_.aspx?content=belovedcommunity & t_s=12 He has a seminary program .. https://secure03.serverlogic.com/belovedcommunity/PersonalProfile_Login_Seminary\ ..aspx?a=a & t_s=19 & redirectURL=%2fSeminary.aspx%3ft_s%3d19 He even collects donations for his work .. http://www.emissaryoflight.com/_.aspx?content=donation & t_s=22 He has an on line store .. selling this and that .. https://secure03.serverlogic.com/emissaryoflight/?t_s=21 He says he will open a Children's Home in Iraq .. and a Peace Center in Israel .. and he has peddled Spikenard .. http://www.emissaryoflight.com/P_.aspx?content=specialprojects & t_s=17 This Spikenard Experiment was designed as a Research Project .. http://www.emissaryoflight.com/_.aspx?content=generalinfospikenard They sold this " precious " Spikenard in 12 ml bottles for $45 .. http://www.emissaryoflight.com/_.aspx?content=spikenardexperiment & t_s=18 Then did a survey to see how many folks met Jesus after using it .. http://www.emissaryoflight.com/survey/ResultsOverview.asp?SurveyID=100 He makes many prophecies .. and on 12 December 2012 there will be a Great Time Shift .. no mention of Space Ships, etc.. http://www.emissaryoflight.com/P_.aspx?content=recentemails & t_t=10#msg_9 He offers prayers in the context of twelve religions .. http://www.emissaryoflight.com/_.aspx?content=peaceprayers & t_t=6 He comes across as an energetic, religious man who has a following and lots of irons in the fire at the same time .. and he appears to have a large organization. After the success of the Spikenard Experiment .. he offers Three More Gifts .. for only $39.00 one can get these Free Gifts consisting of a 5 ml bottle of Frankincense .. a 1 oz bottle of Frankincense Hydrosol and some Frankincense Resin .. and instructions on how to use it .. https://secure03.serverlogic.com/emissaryoflight/Default.aspx?CategoryID=10 This is not your every day run of the mill Frankincense. Twyman goes on to explain .... Beloved Friends, I'm writing this personal letter to you because you expressed interest in the " Three Gift Program, " beginning with the Frankincense kit. We will soon announce the launch of this project to everyone on the Beloved Community e-mail list, but we wanted to give you advance notice for placing early orders. The Frankincense kits are ready to be shipped, and we have a limited amount of the oil, hydrosol, and resins. THE PURPOSE OF THIS PROGRAM IS TO USE THE ESSENSE OF THE FRANKINCENSE, TO AWAKEN THE CHRIST CONSCIOUSNESS WITHIN YOU. Our first project, " The Mary Magdalene Experiment, " awakened the Divine Feminine energy, while Frankincense represents the balance between the masculine and feminine energies. I have been working with the Frankincense for a few months now, and it has been even more powerful than what I experienced through the Spikenard. As you already know, this was the first gift given to Jesus by the Magi when he was born, and at that time Frankincense was more precious than gold. It was, in fact, one of the most expensive substances on earth because the plant's subtle and esoteric qualities were very well known. Today much of that knowledge has been lost, and through this project we hope to regain so much. Your help and participation will be very valuable. We have prepared kits that present the Frankincense in three different forms: 1. 5 ml bottle of pure Frankincense essential oil 2. 1 oz bottle of Frankincense hydrosol (water soluble) 3. package of Frankincense resins for incense All three have been prepared by our friend Jack from Sense of Knowing on Maui, perhaps the finest and most sought after distiller in the world. He believes that the soul of the plant is retained through a special, slow form distillation process, and it is this aspect of the plant that inspires the human soul. His suggestion is that we approach the oil as if it was a person, asking it how we are to best blend our energy with its own. A cooperative process is then created between you and the plant's soul, and the results are profound. You will be the first group to have access to the Frankincense kit. We will alert the others who participated in the " Mary Magdalene Experiment " in about a week, after we've shipped your order. You will also have the opportunity to report the results of your own experimentation, just as you did with the Spikenard. Together we will learn and experience so much. Simply go to the online store at www.emissaryoflight.com or go to this link https://secure03.serverlogic.com/emissaryoflight/Default.aspx?CategoryID=10 to make your purchase. The kits have already been packaged, so you'll have yours within a week or so. Peace, James Is this organization in competition with Young Living? Or a branch of Young Living operating in harmony and collaboration with YL? Any of you folks know? I tried to track down this Jack, from Sense of Knowing on Maui because wanted to understand how a such a world-famous distiller on the Island of Maui would have ready access to Spikenard and Frankincense aromatic raw materials. I found only ... which I think is not Jack .. Sense of Knowing http://www.drbarrytaylor.com/about_barry_taylor.htm I searched Maui and Maui Essential Oils .. all I found was a listing of Young Living Events .. many by David Stewart and Gary Young .. and one on Maui by Gary Young. Interesting that YL members pay for entrance but the non-members get in free. http://www.youngliving.us/rs_frn_rwp_site.asp?REFERRER= & TARGET=scheduleofevents.\ html & SIDE_MENU=1 And this one deserves special mention .. they've been around since 1986, which according to them was long before the term " aromatherapy " was even known in the United States .. http://www.aromatherapy-center.com/ And this one that claims they blend EO in alignment with the intentions of the oil so all the vibrational gifts are released as one breaths in http://www.sacred-alchemy.net/oils-silver.htm But I was not able to locate Jack of Sense of Knowing on Maui. Do any of you good folks know anything about this? Who is Jack? I understand why Aromatherapy will NEVER be seen as legitimate and I wonder why I and hundreds of other folks bust butt TRYING to pass along good information in an industry that legally thrives on HYPE and MISINFORMATION, preys on the UNKNOWING and seems to be very successful in their efforts. Dealing in Essential Oils is the only occupation I have ever been in where there were no standards of conduct or quality .. and where I felt I was not accomplishing a lot. And now, more and more each day I find less pride in my efforts due to occupational association with those who legally use the business as a means of ripping off the public. I think I am wasting my time .. its likely that the other honest folks in this business are doing the same! The Good Guys are NOT going to win in this rat race .. why? Because like soldiers of civilized Nations, we do our best to play by the rules .. but the others make up the rules as they go along .. to fit their own desires. Y'all keep smiling. :-( Butch http://www.AV-AT.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2004 Report Share Posted June 22, 2004 , Butch Owen <butchbsi@s...> wrote: Hi Butch, > > Many of you will remember the Spikenard - Mary Magdalene Experiment. > Just a side note about the Mary Magdalene Experiment - if you purchased your Spikenard from someone other than his source, you were not, I repeat, NOT included in the experiment! Buffy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2004 Report Share Posted June 23, 2004 Butch, I don't think you have to worry about the amount of " innocent " public that Twyman is convincing to buy his oil. There are quite a few, granted, but they are not using his oils in an aromatheraputic (did I just make up a word??) manner, and most probably don't understand aromatherapy to begin with. His followers are buying his spikenard and frankincense (with the gold and myrrh to follow) because they believe in Twyman's special children, and are using these oils of his in meditations kind of governed by his site. I have no idea where he actually gets his oils, and doubt that the people buying these " special " oils of his are doing so for any other reason than his " psychic experiments " . The information you freely pass on is NEVER overlooked by people who are truly interested in the real uses for true essential oils. We appreciate your efforts and understand the difference in well, I hate to say schemes because I think Twyman actually believes in what he does (who knows--maybe not?) and real information, like yours and other professional aromatherapists. Anyone who researches essential oils for any length of time learns to discriminate. samala Renee original message: Dealing in Essential Oils is the only occupation I have ever been in where there were no standards of conduct or quality .. and where I felt I was not accomplishing a lot. And now, more and more each day I find less pride in my efforts due to occupational association with those who legally use the business as a means of ripping off the public. I think I am wasting my time .. its likely that the other honest folks in this business are doing the same! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2004 Report Share Posted June 23, 2004 , Butch Owen <butchbsi@s...> wrote: > Hi y'all, > > > Many of you will remember the Spikenard - Mary Magdalene Experiment. > >Hi Butch, Thought you might like to know that the people who purchased their Spikenard from someone other than this organization were not, I repeat NOT allowed to be part of that experiment. Buffy PS I posted this earlier - got lost in that vast space of or www Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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