Guest guest Posted May 11, 2010 Report Share Posted May 11, 2010 Z'ev, yes... in Korea dog meat was traditionally eaten on the hottest days of summer to get you through the winter. As we know dog meat is very yang natured and it was made into a hot dish with a lot of peppers. In America, we eat soups /stews (yin-water based) in winter and barbecue in the summer (yang-fire based). The 4th of July is the hottest time of summer and we drink fire-water (alcohol), bbq meat and set off fire-works. Maybe it's just habit, easy access to those things or something else. Then again, there's ice-cream, which puts cold-damp into our already deficient internal fire in the summer, as the heat of our bodies moves to the surface layers. In winter, it's the opposite, where our core becomes hot in order to protect our organs and our surface is cold, thereby needing furs to cover our fragile skins. K On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 10:42 AM, <zrosenbewrote: > > > John, > I find it interesting that some classical sources say to supplement yin in > the cold season and yang in the warm season. Arnaud Versluys spoke recently > how he takes fu zi prescriptions in the early summertime to build yang for > the winter. > > > > > [image: Groups]</;_ylc=X3oDMTJkM212dmczBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAz\ k0OTU5NzcEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYwODE0BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2dmcARzdGltZQMxMjczNTk5ODA3> > Switch to: Text-Only<Chinese Medicine-traditional ?subject=Chang\ e+Delivery+Format:+Traditional>, > Daily Digest<Chinese Medicine-digest ?subject=Email+Deliver\ y:+Digest>• > Un<Chinese Medicine- ?subject=Uns\ ubscribe>• Terms > of Use <> > . > > > -- "" www.tcmreview.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2010 Report Share Posted May 11, 2010 Hi Z'ev, I can totally agree with this - staying exactly one step ahead. I find it a fearsome concept to try and treat an eruption as it is beginning to erupt. Prepare during the good days for the bad days. I find myself making financial analogies with my patients a lot of the time. Hugo ________________________________ Hugo Ramiro http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com http://www.middlemedicine.org ________________________________ <zrosenbe Chinese Medicine Tue, 11 May, 2010 13:42:28 Re: Re: the weather John, I find it interesting that some classical sources say to supplement yin in the cold season and yang in the warm season. Arnaud Versluys spoke recently how he takes fu zi prescriptions in the early summertime to build yang for the winter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2010 Report Share Posted May 11, 2010 For herbs, I treat the patient's presentation as it shows, but I think this is where food therapy is really useful in supplementing the patient for the here, now and future. If we don't take care of the situation in the present moment, then the next season will show a problem. I think the adage of diagnosing an issue before it manifests has to do more with lifestyle, not exactly giving a patient Fu zi in summer time, because it seems like the appropriate theoretical method to apply. Arnaud prescribes herbs based on the pulse at the given moment, based on the patient's specific constitution and presentation, not what he believes could happen in six months. Does anyone out there do that? Doing Qi gong and eating the right foods for the season and moderating work, stress and sex seem to make common sense. K On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Hugo Ramiro <subincor wrote: > > > Hi Z'ev, I can totally agree with this - staying exactly one step ahead. > I find it a fearsome concept to try and treat an eruption as it is beginning > to erupt. Prepare during the good days for the bad days. I find myself > making financial analogies with my patients a lot of the time. > > Hugo > > ________________________________ > Hugo Ramiro > http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com > http://www.middlemedicine.org > > ________________________________ > <zrosenbe <zrosenbe%40san.rr.com>> > > To: Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> > Tue, 11 May, 2010 13:42:28 > Re: Re: the weather > > > > John, > I find it interesting that some classical sources say to supplement yin in > the cold season and yang in the warm season. Arnaud Versluys spoke recently > how he takes fu zi prescriptions in the early summertime to build yang for > the winter. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2010 Report Share Posted May 11, 2010 And dangui sini tang at the winter solstice to build the blood. On May 11, 2010, at 12:42 PM, wrote: > John, > I find it interesting that some classical sources say to supplement yin in the cold season and yang in the warm season. Arnaud Versluys spoke recently how he takes fu zi prescriptions in the early summertime to build yang for the winter. > > > On May 10, 2010, at 9:37 PM, wrote: > > > Michael, > > I've seen this too. In winter, I prescribed Fu zi and Gui zhi. > > In the beginning of spring (March)... a lot of Chai hu based formulas > > The last couple of weeks, again more Shen qi wan, and blood tonics > > based on the weather here and the way our bodies react to the changes. > > Summer should be interesting. In the Bay area, we get an Indian summer. > > Berkeley has a mediterranean climate, so we don't see snow > > and not that many extremes. > > > > K > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 8:21 AM, mike Bowser <naturaldoc1wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> > >> It has been quite cool here up in the north lately following a more > >> temperate spring. This is quite common to this area. Moxa and warm foods > >> need to be brought back into usage as the yang qi of the body needs this. > >> > >> Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc > >> > >>> To: Chinese Traditional Medicine <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> > >>> don83407 <don83407%40msn.com> > >>> Fri, 7 May 2010 10:54:39 -0500 > >> > >>> RE: Re: the weather > >>> > >>> > >>> These patients have a combination of Wind-Damp Bi, Wind-Cold Bi, Wind Bi, > >> Wind-Cold-Damp etc. It their tongue and pulse fit, these patients respond > >> amazingly quickly to moxa or moxa on the needle. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Don J. Snow, DAOM, MPH, L.Ac. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> To: Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> > >>> crawshawbrammah <crawshawbrammah%40hotmail.com> > >>> Fri, 7 May 2010 15:23:29 +0000 > >>> Re: the weather > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Hello, > >>> > >>> Have you noticed patients reporting a connection between their symptoms > >> and the weather, or have you noticed a connection between the weather and > >> patients reporting of symptoms. How do you understand this correlation? > >>> > >>> Ashley Brammah > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2010 Report Share Posted May 12, 2010 I see this discussion as to where we all should be moving, that is toward prevention and adjusting our body according to the environment. When we no longer have active symptoms, then strengthening our body is appropriate. Thanks for reminding us of this with this dialogue. Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc > Chinese Medicine > stephenbonzak > Tue, 11 May 2010 17:46:15 -0500 > Re: Re: the weather > > And dangui sini tang at the winter solstice to build the blood. > > On May 11, 2010, at 12:42 PM, wrote: > > > John, > > I find it interesting that some classical sources say to supplement yin in the cold season and yang in the warm season. Arnaud Versluys spoke recently how he takes fu zi prescriptions in the early summertime to build yang for the winter. > > > > > > On May 10, 2010, at 9:37 PM, wrote: > > > > > Michael, > > > I've seen this too. In winter, I prescribed Fu zi and Gui zhi. > > > In the beginning of spring (March)... a lot of Chai hu based formulas > > > The last couple of weeks, again more Shen qi wan, and blood tonics > > > based on the weather here and the way our bodies react to the changes. > > > Summer should be interesting. In the Bay area, we get an Indian summer. > > > Berkeley has a mediterranean climate, so we don't see snow > > > and not that many extremes. > > > > > > K > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 8:21 AM, mike Bowser <naturaldoc1wrote: > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> It has been quite cool here up in the north lately following a more > > >> temperate spring. This is quite common to this area. Moxa and warm foods > > >> need to be brought back into usage as the yang qi of the body needs this. > > >> > > >> Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc > > >> > > >>> To: Chinese Traditional Medicine <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> > > >>> don83407 <don83407%40msn.com> > > >>> Fri, 7 May 2010 10:54:39 -0500 > > >> > > >>> RE: Re: the weather > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> These patients have a combination of Wind-Damp Bi, Wind-Cold Bi, Wind Bi, > > >> Wind-Cold-Damp etc. It their tongue and pulse fit, these patients respond > > >> amazingly quickly to moxa or moxa on the needle. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Don J. Snow, DAOM, MPH, L.Ac. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> To: Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> > > >>> crawshawbrammah <crawshawbrammah%40hotmail.com> > > >>> Fri, 7 May 2010 15:23:29 +0000 > > >>> Re: the weather > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Hello, > > >>> > > >>> Have you noticed patients reporting a connection between their symptoms > > >> and the weather, or have you noticed a connection between the weather and > > >> patients reporting of symptoms. How do you understand this correlation? > > >>> > > >>> Ashley Brammah > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2010 Report Share Posted May 12, 2010 John, whether you are using food to supplement " for the future " or herbs, the principles are the same, the medicinal is simply milder. I absolutely do treat based on what I think will happen in the next season, but I believe we are having a misunderstanding: patients with cyclical problems can absolutely predict when their problem starts. Not using that information is silly. Setting a trajectory and deadlines for pulses and tongue presentation is standard practice when we have known markers. A simple example involves yang deficiency in a northern climate. It's springtime; what do you think is going to happen in 6 months? The patient is going to suffer from the cold as the, well, cold, hits. Beginning to supplement with whatever is appropriate for this patient's yang deficiency (which they have irrespective of the season) is a good idea. I have a couple of patients in mind who absolutely require this long-term thinking because one season is nowhere near long enough for them to build up their savings account, as it were. I don't know how much Qi Gong you do, John, but Qi Gong is like herbs (or food). Too much of a certain type can be done, not enough of another. There are forms for increasing yang, others for building yin, others for settling the spirit and so on and so forth. Qi Gong *prescriptions* must be made and tailored to the student / patient. Adjustments are necessary as the person progresses, just as in herbal or dietary therapy. A clear idea of the goal, of what balance will mean to the person in question is also requisite. Hugo ________________________________ Hugo Ramiro http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com http://www.middlemedicine.org ________________________________ <johnkokko Chinese Medicine Tue, 11 May, 2010 16:52:16 Re: Re: the weather For herbs, I treat the patient's presentation as it shows, but I think this is where food therapy is really useful in supplementing the patient for the here, now and future. If we don't take care of the situation in the present moment, then the next season will show a problem. I think the adage of diagnosing an issue before it manifests has to do more with lifestyle, not exactly giving a patient Fu zi in summer time, because it seems like the appropriate theoretical method to apply. Arnaud prescribes herbs based on the pulse at the given moment, based on the patient's specific constitution and presentation, not what he believes could happen in six months. Does anyone out there do that? Doing Qi gong and eating the right foods for the season and moderating work, stress and sex seem to make common sense. K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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