Guest guest Posted July 21, 2007 Report Share Posted July 21, 2007 2 questions... 1. Has anyone had success treating restless leg syndrome? If so how? My patient's mother asked me because she has an 88 year old friend who has just developed RLS and is having a rough time. (she also told me that they recently found a gene responsible for it? seems strange to me) 2. A patient I have seen a couple of times for post-op care from a fusion of L4,L5,S1 who was getting great relief and reducing pain meds woke up in the middle of the night (after treatment that morning) with a sciatic type pain - classic presentation, and is now concerned that acupuncture may have caused it. She spoke with her M.D. who told her acupuncture was probably not to blame, but she is very hesitant to have any more treatments. Have any of you seen other cases like this? It seems odd to have happened so many hours after needling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2007 Report Share Posted July 21, 2007 In regards to question 2: It is possible to undo the body's splinting of an area and bring a new aspect of weakness and instability to light. I used to do a lot fo deep tissue massage for low back pain, and for the most part it is useful, but sometimes you take off their support system and retrigger the acute phase of a problem, or the issue has shifted north or south due to compensation for the initial injury, or in this case a novel fixation. At times now I will just use distal treatments initially and some topical or internal herbs, waiting for the period of flux to settle a little bit. This approach is a little overconservative, but if you get a sense that a patient might be leary, or the situation is acute and the body is still sorting things out either emotionally or physically, it makes sense to go slowly and see how things settle and what opens up and what doesn't. Par Scott - A.J. Sarrat Chinese Medicine Friday, July 20, 2007 8:50 PM restless leg syndrome, sciatica 2 questions... 1. Has anyone had success treating restless leg syndrome? If so how? My patient's mother asked me because she has an 88 year old friend who has just developed RLS and is having a rough time. (she also told me that they recently found a gene responsible for it? seems strange to me) 2. A patient I have seen a couple of times for post-op care from a fusion of L4,L5,S1 who was getting great relief and reducing pain meds woke up in the middle of the night (after treatment that morning) with a sciatic type pain - classic presentation, and is now concerned that acupuncture may have caused it. She spoke with her M.D. who told her acupuncture was probably not to blame, but she is very hesitant to have any more treatments. Have any of you seen other cases like this? It seems odd to have happened so many hours after needling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2007 Report Share Posted July 21, 2007 I just treated one restless-leg patient recently. The leg movement was waking her up at night. The patient had severe heat signs after receiving an IUD. The symptoms went away completely after two treatments, along with herbs. Lots of heat-clearing points and herbs did the trick. - Bill Chinese Medicine , " A.J. Sarrat " <aj_sarrat wrote: > > 2 questions... > 1. Has anyone had success treating restless leg syndrome? If so how? > My patient's mother asked me because she has an 88 year old friend who > has just developed RLS and is having a rough time. (she also told me > that they recently found a gene responsible for it? seems strange to > me) > 2. A patient I have seen a couple of times for post-op care from a > fusion of L4,L5,S1 who was getting great relief and reducing pain meds > woke up in the middle of the night (after treatment that morning) with > a sciatic type pain - classic presentation, and is now concerned that > acupuncture may have caused it. She spoke with her M.D. who told her > acupuncture was probably not to blame, but she is very hesitant to > have any more treatments. Have any of you seen other cases like this? > It seems odd to have happened so many hours after needling. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2007 Report Share Posted July 21, 2007 I have treated several people with RLS and they have all needed different treatments, depending on their pattern. Sometimes it is a blood deficiency with wind, sometimes blood stagnation (in this case, bleeding spider veins on the leg is helpful), yin deficiency, etc. I have also used Kiiko Matsumoto's adrenal treatment, and in some cases the problem appears to be coming from the spine-- I do huatos of L4, L5 and BL 31. I would love it if one treatment cured all my patients, but I have really found it is more about discovering what works for that specific patient. ----Original Message Follows---- " A.J. Sarrat " <aj_sarrat Chinese Medicine Chinese Medicine restless leg syndrome, sciatica Sat, 21 Jul 2007 00:50:10 -0000 2 questions... 1. Has anyone had success treating restless leg syndrome? If so how? My patient's mother asked me because she has an 88 year old friend who has just developed RLS and is having a rough time. (she also told me that they recently found a gene responsible for it? seems strange to me) 2. A patient I have seen a couple of times for post-op care from a fusion of L4,L5,S1 who was getting great relief and reducing pain meds woke up in the middle of the night (after treatment that morning) with a sciatic type pain - classic presentation, and is now concerned that acupuncture may have caused it. She spoke with her M.D. who told her acupuncture was probably not to blame, but she is very hesitant to have any more treatments. Have any of you seen other cases like this? It seems odd to have happened so many hours after needling. _______________ http://liveearth.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2007 Report Share Posted July 21, 2007 hi restless leg syndrome: " Restlessness is heat. Tics, Tremors and Convulsions are wind " (Huang Di Nei Jing) I treated some patients with Restless leg syndrome, all of the had a pattern of Heart- heat. Some had an underlying Liver-Yin-Definciency (which led to wind and heart -heat). Others had a Kidney-Yin-Deficiency (not enough water to nourish and cool the heart and to store the shen). Tx: heart-cleansing Points, nourish Kidney-Yin, herbs, nutrition just some thoughts, hope this helps, regards, rebekka Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2007 Report Share Posted July 21, 2007 My own personal experience (clinically) with RLS has been positive with the use of American Ginseng to nourish the yin. That is supposing that the presentation is yin deficiency. Of course I would be making assumptions, but possibly that is the case with an 88 yo female and restless leg at night. I am only a novice (2 years in practice) but this has worked for my patients. I prefer the capsules (or boiling the root would be better but not everyone wants to do that) and use up to 12 x 500mg capsules daily. Meredith -- In Chinese Medicine , " A.J. Sarrat " <aj_sarrat wrote: > > 2 questions... > 1. Has anyone had success treating restless leg syndrome? If so how? > My patient's mother asked me because she has an 88 year old friend who > has just developed RLS and is having a rough time. (she also told me > that they recently found a gene responsible for it? seems strange to > me) > 2. A patient I have seen a couple of times for post-op care from a > fusion of L4,L5,S1 who was getting great relief and reducing pain meds > woke up in the middle of the night (after treatment that morning) with > a sciatic type pain - classic presentation, and is now concerned that > acupuncture may have caused it. She spoke with her M.D. who told her > acupuncture was probably not to blame, but she is very hesitant to > have any more treatments. Have any of you seen other cases like this? > It seems odd to have happened so many hours after needling. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2007 Report Share Posted July 22, 2007 Agreed. My patient had clear signs of Liver Fire with internal wind, so I used Tian Ma Gou Teng Yin. - Bill Chinese Medicine , " Emily Konstan " <emilylists wrote: > > I have treated several people with RLS and they have all needed different > treatments, depending on their pattern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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