Guest guest Posted July 26, 2007 Report Share Posted July 26, 2007 Dear everyone, I had a patient, female , age 72, came in the office for TMJ. She started telling me that this is an excruciating pain, no accident, started suddendly from the whole left side of the face, jaw and radiating down to her finger, esp. her small left finger. It worse when she opened her mouth wide or when she chewed something. She must be fed on soup or watery food. This had been going on for 8 months and she lost 24 lbs. This pain was a constant pain and she was treated with several antibiotics, but never got better. After I heard of the story, I advised her to see Orthodontist who especializes in TMJ, not a regular dentist, for my sister had the same problem. She also lost weight and could not eat normally. It cost her almost $15 grand and it took 4 - 5 months to heal. Finally, she was fine. However, this lady insisted that I would give her a try because she was referred to me by an MD. I said I had no experience in this case and I wanted her to check with the orthodontist first. She wanted to try me first after all MDs. I demanded : Even after the treatment , you should see your orthodontist tonight or tomorrow, please ! She agreed, I proceeded. She was pale, with malar flush ( light red ) face, strong voice, fast talk, did not care if water intake was cold nor hot, puffy pale tongue, full-slippery rapid pulse. According to the pulse and body constitution is a mixed type. All I cared she was strong , full slippery pulse so I could do the work. Others' who cared ! I asked her to open her mouth and see where the pain started, and twisted, and chewed. Every move caused severe pain. I poked around the painful area and Asked her to open her mouth, then I chose SI 7. BINGO ..... After 20 sec the pain vanished. I was surprised and asked her to open her mouth wider, twisted harder. Ooop, no more pain. And the pain along the small finger disappeared. No more treatment. She still comes in visit me and the entire office members, referred hundred of patients afterward.... What a reward ! I do not how to explain this, I only chose the affected meridian. You all try to figure it out the diagnosis and explain it in your own way and have fun. This was years ago. At that time I focused only on the pain. NO herb needed. NOTE : I was known as an acupuncturist with only one needle that was the reason she came to see me. She was an acuphobiac. The reason I 've used only one needle -I must develop a special technique- because I always left some needles after the treatments. It was embarrassing !!! However, they'd never complained. GOOD LUCK !!! ENJOY ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2007 Report Share Posted July 26, 2007 Hi! Nice result. To me it seams to be a blockage or constriction in the Small intestine sinew. And since you choosed the Lou-point of the SI- channel you probably nourished the collaterals in the yaw and finger. The channel starts at the pinky and ends at the ear where the temperomandibular joint is. Maybe she had some internal imbalance also, some signt point to some kind of heat problem and perhaps a little bit damp. Maybe it was the damp that was blockong the channel? But anyway, you can get a sinew problem dipite having an internal problem or not. Regards Peter --- In Chinese Medicine , " dr_namnguyen58 " <dr_namnguyen58 wrote: > > Dear everyone, > > I had a patient, female , age 72, came in the office for TMJ. > She started telling me that this is an excruciating pain, no accident, > started suddendly from the whole left side of the face, jaw and > radiating down to her finger, esp. her small left finger. It worse > when she opened her mouth wide or when she chewed something. She must > be fed on soup or watery food. This had been going on for 8 months and > she lost 24 lbs. This pain was a constant pain and she was treated > with several antibiotics, but never got better. > After I heard of the story, I advised her to see Orthodontist who > especializes in TMJ, not a regular dentist, for my sister had the same > problem. She also lost weight and could not eat normally. It cost her > almost $15 grand and it took 4 - 5 months to heal. Finally, she was fine. > However, this lady insisted that I would give her a try because she > was referred to me by an MD. I said I had no experience in this case > and I wanted her to check with the orthodontist first. > She wanted to try me first after all MDs. I demanded : Even after the > treatment , you should see your orthodontist tonight or tomorrow, > please ! She agreed, I proceeded. > She was pale, with malar flush ( light red ) face, strong voice, fast > talk, did not care if water intake was cold nor hot, puffy pale > tongue, full-slippery rapid pulse. > According to the pulse and body constitution is a mixed type. > All I cared she was strong , full slippery pulse so I could do the > work. Others' who cared ! > I asked her to open her mouth and see where the pain started, and > twisted, and chewed. Every move caused severe pain. I poked around the > painful area and Asked her to open her mouth, then I chose SI 7. > BINGO ..... After 20 sec the pain vanished. I was surprised and asked > her to open her mouth wider, twisted harder. Ooop, no more pain. > And the pain along the small finger disappeared. No more treatment. > She still comes in visit me and the entire office members, referred > hundred of patients afterward.... What a reward ! > I do not how to explain this, I only chose the affected meridian. You > all try to figure it out the diagnosis and explain it in your own way > and have fun. This was years ago. At that time I focused only on the pain. > NO herb needed. > > NOTE : I was known as an acupuncturist with only one needle that was > the reason she came to see me. She was an acuphobiac. The reason I 've > used only one needle -I must develop a special technique- because I > always left some needles after the treatments. It was embarrassing !!! > However, they'd never complained. > > GOOD LUCK !!! > > ENJOY ! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2007 Report Share Posted July 26, 2007 Okay, Dr. Nam, maybe I need to come see you. I remember in my physiology class the professor making a big point of the pharmaceutical industry being a big business. Then she got to TMJ, and I said, " now that's a business. " I was diagnosed with that, hmm, 20 years ago. Dr Nam, why SI 7? Obviously you were finding something on the SI channel. Did this patient go to the orthodontist? And I wonder if it helps. I would rather treat her for a few months and stabilze things - get her a night guard from the general dentist, and then see if she really needs the ortho. Anne -------------- Original message ---------------------- " dr_namnguyen58 " <dr_namnguyen58 > Dear everyone, > > I had a patient, female , age 72, came in the office for TMJ. > She started telling me that this is an excruciating pain, no accident, > started suddendly from the whole left side of the face, jaw and > radiating down to her finger, esp. her small left finger. It worse > when she opened her mouth wide or when she chewed something. She must > be fed on soup or watery food. This had been going on for 8 months and > she lost 24 lbs. This pain was a constant pain and she was treated > with several antibiotics, but never got better. > After I heard of the story, I advised her to see Orthodontist who > especializes in TMJ, not a regular dentist, for my sister had the same > problem. She also lost weight and could not eat normally. It cost her > almost $15 grand and it took 4 - 5 months to heal. Finally, she was fine. > However, this lady insisted that I would give her a try because she > was referred to me by an MD. I said I had no experience in this case > and I wanted her to check with the orthodontist first. > She wanted to try me first after all MDs. I demanded : Even after the > treatment , you should see your orthodontist tonight or tomorrow, > please ! She agreed, I proceeded. > She was pale, with malar flush ( light red ) face, strong voice, fast > talk, did not care if water intake was cold nor hot, puffy pale > tongue, full-slippery rapid pulse. > According to the pulse and body constitution is a mixed type. > All I cared she was strong , full slippery pulse so I could do the > work. Others' who cared ! > I asked her to open her mouth and see where the pain started, and > twisted, and chewed. Every move caused severe pain. I poked around the > painful area and Asked her to open her mouth, then I chose SI 7. > BINGO ..... After 20 sec the pain vanished. I was surprised and asked > her to open her mouth wider, twisted harder. Ooop, no more pain. > And the pain along the small finger disappeared. No more treatment. > She still comes in visit me and the entire office members, referred > hundred of patients afterward.... What a reward ! > I do not how to explain this, I only chose the affected meridian. You > all try to figure it out the diagnosis and explain it in your own way > and have fun. This was years ago. At that time I focused only on the pain. > NO herb needed. > > NOTE : I was known as an acupuncturist with only one needle that was > the reason she came to see me. She was an acuphobiac. The reason I 've > used only one needle -I must develop a special technique- because I > always left some needles after the treatments. It was embarrassing !!! > However, they'd never complained. > > GOOD LUCK !!! > > ENJOY ! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 Dear Peter, THanks for your interested and for your explanation in the TMJ. It was an interesting thought, I am learning something new. Any way, that was actually a lucky shot when I chose SI 7. I did not expect a good result before I started a treatment. However, everybody needs a lucky shot like this once in a while. Sincerely, Nam Nguyen Chinese Medicine , " pejo_mstd " <pejo_mstd wrote: > > Hi! > > Nice result. > > To me it seams to be a blockage or constriction in the Small > intestine sinew. And since you choosed the Lou-point of the SI- > channel you probably nourished the collaterals in the yaw and > finger. The channel starts at the pinky and ends at the ear where > the temperomandibular joint is. Maybe she had some internal > imbalance also, some signt point to some kind of heat problem and > perhaps a little bit damp. Maybe it was the damp that was blockong > the channel? But anyway, you can get a sinew problem dipite having > an internal problem or not. > > Regards > Peter > > --- In > Chinese Medicine , " dr_namnguyen58 " > <dr_namnguyen58@> wrote: > > > > Dear everyone, > > > > I had a patient, female , age 72, came in the office for TMJ. > > She started telling me that this is an excruciating pain, no > accident, > > started suddendly from the whole left side of the face, jaw and > > radiating down to her finger, esp. her small left finger. It worse > > when she opened her mouth wide or when she chewed something. She > must > > be fed on soup or watery food. This had been going on for 8 months > and > > she lost 24 lbs. This pain was a constant pain and she was treated > > with several antibiotics, but never got better. > > After I heard of the story, I advised her to see Orthodontist who > > especializes in TMJ, not a regular dentist, for my sister had the > same > > problem. She also lost weight and could not eat normally. It cost > her > > almost $15 grand and it took 4 - 5 months to heal. Finally, she > was fine. > > However, this lady insisted that I would give her a try because she > > was referred to me by an MD. I said I had no experience in this > case > > and I wanted her to check with the orthodontist first. > > She wanted to try me first after all MDs. I demanded : Even after > the > > treatment , you should see your orthodontist tonight or tomorrow, > > please ! She agreed, I proceeded. > > She was pale, with malar flush ( light red ) face, strong voice, > fast > > talk, did not care if water intake was cold nor hot, puffy pale > > tongue, full-slippery rapid pulse. > > According to the pulse and body constitution is a mixed type. > > All I cared she was strong , full slippery pulse so I could do the > > work. Others' who cared ! > > I asked her to open her mouth and see where the pain started, and > > twisted, and chewed. Every move caused severe pain. I poked around > the > > painful area and Asked her to open her mouth, then I chose SI 7. > > BINGO ..... After 20 sec the pain vanished. I was surprised and > asked > > her to open her mouth wider, twisted harder. Ooop, no more pain. > > And the pain along the small finger disappeared. No more treatment. > > She still comes in visit me and the entire office members, referred > > hundred of patients afterward.... What a reward ! > > I do not how to explain this, I only chose the affected meridian. > You > > all try to figure it out the diagnosis and explain it in your own > way > > and have fun. This was years ago. At that time I focused only on > the pain. > > NO herb needed. > > > > NOTE : I was known as an acupuncturist with only one needle that > was > > the reason she came to see me. She was an acuphobiac. The reason > I 've > > used only one needle -I must develop a special technique- because I > > always left some needles after the treatments. It was > embarrassing !!! > > However, they'd never complained. > > > > GOOD LUCK !!! > > > > ENJOY ! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 Yes TCM is interesting But mabe not a lucky shot, but good intuition. /Peter --- In Chinese Medicine , " dr_namnguyen58 " <dr_namnguyen58 wrote: > > Dear Peter, > > THanks for your interested and for your explanation in the TMJ. It was > an interesting thought, I am learning something new. > Any way, that was actually a lucky shot when I chose SI 7. I did not > expect a good result before I started a treatment. However, > everybody needs a lucky shot like this once in a while. > > Sincerely, > Nam Nguyen > > Chinese Medicine , " pejo_mstd " > <pejo_mstd@> wrote: > > > > Hi! > > > > Nice result. > > > > To me it seams to be a blockage or constriction in the Small > > intestine sinew. And since you choosed the Lou-point of the SI- > > channel you probably nourished the collaterals in the yaw and > > finger. The channel starts at the pinky and ends at the ear where > > the temperomandibular joint is. Maybe she had some internal > > imbalance also, some signt point to some kind of heat problem and > > perhaps a little bit damp. Maybe it was the damp that was blockong > > the channel? But anyway, you can get a sinew problem dipite having > > an internal problem or not. > > > > Regards > > Peter > > > > --- In > > Chinese Medicine , " dr_namnguyen58 " > > <dr_namnguyen58@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear everyone, > > > > > > I had a patient, female , age 72, came in the office for TMJ. > > > She started telling me that this is an excruciating pain, no > > accident, > > > started suddendly from the whole left side of the face, jaw and > > > radiating down to her finger, esp. her small left finger. It worse > > > when she opened her mouth wide or when she chewed something. She > > must > > > be fed on soup or watery food. This had been going on for 8 months > > and > > > she lost 24 lbs. This pain was a constant pain and she was treated > > > with several antibiotics, but never got better. > > > After I heard of the story, I advised her to see Orthodontist who > > > especializes in TMJ, not a regular dentist, for my sister had the > > same > > > problem. She also lost weight and could not eat normally. It cost > > her > > > almost $15 grand and it took 4 - 5 months to heal. Finally, she > > was fine. > > > However, this lady insisted that I would give her a try because she > > > was referred to me by an MD. I said I had no experience in this > > case > > > and I wanted her to check with the orthodontist first. > > > She wanted to try me first after all MDs. I demanded : Even after > > the > > > treatment , you should see your orthodontist tonight or tomorrow, > > > please ! She agreed, I proceeded. > > > She was pale, with malar flush ( light red ) face, strong voice, > > fast > > > talk, did not care if water intake was cold nor hot, puffy pale > > > tongue, full-slippery rapid pulse. > > > According to the pulse and body constitution is a mixed type. > > > All I cared she was strong , full slippery pulse so I could do the > > > work. Others' who cared ! > > > I asked her to open her mouth and see where the pain started, and > > > twisted, and chewed. Every move caused severe pain. I poked around > > the > > > painful area and Asked her to open her mouth, then I chose SI 7. > > > BINGO ..... After 20 sec the pain vanished. I was surprised and > > asked > > > her to open her mouth wider, twisted harder. Ooop, no more pain. > > > And the pain along the small finger disappeared. No more treatment. > > > She still comes in visit me and the entire office members, referred > > > hundred of patients afterward.... What a reward ! > > > I do not how to explain this, I only chose the affected meridian. > > You > > > all try to figure it out the diagnosis and explain it in your own > > way > > > and have fun. This was years ago. At that time I focused only on > > the pain. > > > NO herb needed. > > > > > > NOTE : I was known as an acupuncturist with only one needle that > > was > > > the reason she came to see me. She was an acuphobiac. The reason > > I 've > > > used only one needle -I must develop a special technique- because I > > > always left some needles after the treatments. It was > > embarrassing !!! > > > However, they'd never complained. > > > > > > GOOD LUCK !!! > > > > > > ENJOY ! > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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