Guest guest Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 I'm playing catch up, so forgive the delayed responce on this thread: ABD: this is an interesting point you raise about your practice getting busier when you develope other aspects of you life and therefore place less emphasis/dependence on your practice. personally, i've noticed for the get go of practicing that whenever i plan a vacation and make deposits, the phone starts ringing and everyone suddenly wants to come in so that the week before and after get really jammed (no complaints, but i had available slots earlier, too). this month i've been in the throws of moving. i planned the dates for what have traditionally been a quiet time. so what happened: new patients coming out of the wood work, and i'm busier than ever. i've been thinking people are attracted to activity, and scarce commodities, likes moths to a flame. but this idea of AB's about getting life more balanced and multi-faceted for a practice to flourish is interesting. i wonder if others have thoughts on this issue. on the issue of 30% of acu grads are still practicing in 5 years: laura makes a valid point that this is a fact of most professions. still, i'ld like to see where the stats are coming from, or is this rumour? my 6 cents, kath On 7/14/07, < wrote: > > Hi All- > > This is an interesting topic for me, not so much for the success/failure > discussion aspect, but more as related to personal growth and interest. I am > in my 5th year of practice, and hold lightly the work that I do. I do not > love it, nor despise it, though at times I find it fascinating and > captivating, other times frustrating and disappointing. And I suppose this > is all the " normal " stuff of life. > > What I find interesting lately, is that the more I " let go " of my > " attachments " to my practice, the more successful it is as a business. What > this is looking like, is the more I explore additional professional and > personal possibilities, the better my practice does and the more confident I > am as a practitioner - and happier, too. For instance, I have been writing > and singing songs for the last 20 years, and now am exploring ways to get my > music on CD and out into the public. Also, in 1993, I applied to rabbinic > school programs with an interest in pastoral counseling - which, by the way, > was the very reason I was denied admission, but that's another whole can of > worms... Lately, however, I have come across some programs in spiritual > direction, which is very nifty and exciting, because my primary interest in > TCM was to use it to heal spiritual wounds anyway, and this is not something > I was taught in school. > > So anyway, as I become more " whole " by re-integrating more aspects of what > I love into my life, my practice grows and flourishes. It reminds me of > something my clinical counseling teacher once taught us about a healer > having a multi-dimensional and multi-faceted life, and being competent in > all of them. The more I shift my practice away from being the center of my > life, the busier it is, and the more balanced and happy I am. I no longer > care whether or not I am a practitioner of TCM for the rest of my life, and > I am prepared to follow the course of my life wherever it takes me. If I do > decide to stop practicing at some point, I will never have considered my > choice to practice a mistake, nor my leaving the profession an incident of > failure. I'm just growing, changing, and enjoying many different things. > > My 4 cents. > > > > heylaurag <heylaurag <heylaurag%40hotmail.com>> wrote: Hi > All-I have a couple thoughts--one is that I think that it is to be > expected that a career in an " alternative " health profession would be > less likely to have a high success rate than other professions. The > other thought is that I think we'd all be surprised to see how few > people succeed in any profession. > > I received an MSW prior to going into Chinese medicine, and so I > sometimes felt down on myself for having " failed " at my first career > (particularly because I went deeply in debt for grad school at Boston > University--I enjoyed MSW work but knew it wasn't what I felt > passionate enough about to continue forever). Therefore I found > myself paying attention whenever statistics came out on this kind of > thing and I discovered that I was actually a huge success in my field > because the vast majority of people in most professions are not in > their field anymore after 5 years, and another large percent never > even have one job in their field. I was successfully employed for 5 > years after I got my MSW, so that was comforting to me. But the point > is that the statistics show that it is a gamble to go into any field. > However, I think that most of the time the path that eventually is > settled on turns out to be related (as in my case---my MSW work has > everything to do with why I've been successful in my TCM clinic). > > Just a few thoughts-- > > Laura > > --- In Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com>, > mike Bowser > wrote: > > > > Zev, > > > > So then why was he allowed continuing access if he has retired? I > thought this forum > > was for practitioners/students. From time to time, I have found it > odd that > > many in our profession have difficulty with acknowledging reality of > others (majority?) > > and the way things stand (ie, a majority of grads are not practicing > for long after school). > > I guess I was hoping to hear some acknowledgement of this problem > and also a discussion > > as to suggestions that could help, both for schools and LAc. As for > junk mail, I find a lot > > of discussions on this forum get deleted as such (sorry). Nice to > hear from you again. Mike W. Bowser, L Ac > > > > > > : zrosenbe: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 > 20:53:01 -0700Re: Re: Pete Thiessen > > > > > > > > > > Mike,While I had no problem with Pete personally, this thread was > interminable, we'd been down this road before not too many months ago > with the same subject, same person, and Pete also retired from > practice some time ago. My opinion was that this thread was out of > control, and generating a lot of junk mail in the process.Z'ev > RosenbergOn Jul 12, 2007, at 8:34 PM, mike Bowser wrote:> I would > agree with Hugo on this as well. When the subject matter > becomes> > uncomfortable we tend to ignore the realities of it. I have heard > > many times> the numbers of practicing grads is not really that > impressive after > 5 years.> Instead of blasting him, I think we > should have acknowledged his > experience> and then start looking for > solutions to help others. I have been > involved in> a couple of > different schools and find that it appears these > students do not> > seem to understand what it takes, at least from a business stand > > point and> I would question their ability to do well. Mike W. Bowser, > L Ac>> > Chinese Medicine:subincor > e: Thu, > 12 Jul 2007 20:30:51 +0000Re: Re: Pete Thiessen>> Hi > all...I'm with Alon on this one. Hit the delete key...I erase > most > of the threads anyway !! :DBut seriously, I am disappointed > that > Pete was banned. Things seemed to have gone really badly for > him, > and he is understandably angry about it. A temporary, > compassionate, > ban (a time-out, if you will) might have been more > appropriate. Does > the software do that, or was it coded by someone > with a more > draconian bent?In any case, I understand how difficult > bitterness is > to handle...at the same time, I am surprised at the > list. We're > supposed to be healers here...? But then, who knows, > banning could > create a healing effect...but was that the intent...? > What I saw was > a lot of people trying to shut him down, and very > very few trying to > listen and support. I'm not surprised it turned > ugly.In any case, I > am still disappointed. Poo poo on all of > you.Hugo----- Original > Message ----Alon Marcus > BillYou can always > choose to not read. To me > its like all the ranting about media. 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