TMJ... INSTANT RESULTS !!! NEW PRACTICE METHODS !!!

July 27, 2007

Dear Guy and our fellowship.

THIS IS MY PRIVILEGE TO SHARE MY EXPERIENCE to all of you. I hope some

day, we would come together and learn something more exciting.

I have learned TCM theory over and over which is fascinating and to

me is very accurate.

What I have done is to create and imagine of pictures and questions. I

often asked myself a lot of questions and answered them to myself. I

must find an answer for each of my question.

I used at least 40 needles for each treatment -this was how I had

been taught and practiced from the school as an intern, and herbs were

prescribed more than 15 ingredients- each time. I left the needles on

the patients' bodies after the treatments eventhough I had searched

thoroughly a few times to make sure. NOt only that I must waited at

least for the patients to go home and come back so I could ask whether

he / she would feel better.

From the books and from study from school and from our

practitioners -our professors, we all use too many needles and ask our

patients after a few treatments, or after the first treatment at least

the next day.

I thought to myself " I can not do this anymore, I must find my own

way "

I MUST DEVELOP MY OWN !!!!!!!!!!

ONLY ONE NEEDLE for each patient. I saved a lot of needles in this way.

LOOK AGAIN AND THINK : There are so many diseases, so many names

of illnesses. Each illness was used too many needles and they were not

effective. Each point was described in detail -in books, what they can

do, but we ignore its importance and used too many points anyway which

lead into confusion and cause diffidence in ourselves.

My ADVICE : LEARN YOUR DIAGNOSIS CORRECTLY, MERIDIANS, AND ORGANS

CAREFULLY.

Even if you miss the acu-point, your herbs will enhance and accelerate

the healing. If the healing is not brought in by acupuncture

treatments, at least you do not miss your shot by herbal formula.

AFTER CAREFULLY STUDY DIAGNOSIS, MERIDIANS, ORGANS ... THEN STUDY

POINTS AND ITS INDICATION !!!!!!

Then applied them........ THAT IS THE TRICK.

Ex : a true case : a patient had a sorethroat from coughing or

from external pathogenic factor " Wind cold or heat " or from long

term illness from deficiency. I checked pulses, tongue, posture,

spirit , and inquiries - usu 15 - 20 minute each new patient.

A sorethroat with deficiency : Let say I made mistake , used LI 4 and

manipulated, then asked the patient to swallow his throat see if the

sore was still there. This was a wrong point, of course, the sore

would not disappear.......... OOP, WHY ???? Oh, I used wrong point to

reduce heat. I counted as zero. Then I used Du 14 ( internal heat ),

same thing , nothing happen... Again I discounted as none... I

proceeded again with Ren4 ( tonify yin and body fluid ), again nothing

better, I also discounted this point, again as zero... WHY ???

I tried again, chose K6 ... BINGO ... BINGO ... WHen the patient

swallow his saliva, no more sorethroat. Then I counted it as one

needle. I rewarded myself, " I AM THE ONE WHO COULD DO ACUPUNCTURE

WITH ONE NEEDLE "

I tried different patients with same problem. It worked as a charm!

But I did not stop there.

I wanted to try my theory, same problem ,in different patients I

inserted needles in three different places as : L7, K6 and LI11 ...

OOP, nothing. I removed LI 11, nothing ...Finally I removed the L7 ,

BINGO , BINGO , BINGO.........

NOTE : Each time I removed the needle or inserted more needles , I

manipulated them and ask my patient to do some action to provoke the

pain or discomfort.

This is how I got instant results from each treatment and I know

precisely which to choose.

BUT THERE ARE MANY CASES WHICH ONE NEEDLE WOULD NOT DO THE TRICK, I

MUST ANALIZE AND ADD EACH ONE TO FORMULATE THE TREATMENT. All I have

done, not astrayed or wandered from the theory.

I DID NOT INVENT ANYTHING NEW, BUT I FOUND WAY TO PROVE THE POINTS OF

THEORY WORK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND I AM EXTREMELY HAPPY.

I KNOW SOMEDAY, SOMEONE WILL LEARN FROM THIS METHOD WILL FIND OUT MORE

AMAZING RESULTS IN AN INSTANCE...

You must do it yourself or someone should see I do it and watch! Oh, I

do not think so. I count on all of you. YOU CAN DO IT AS I CAN.

GOOD LUCK TO YOU ALL !!!

I hope all of us would learn the pulse diagnosis correctly because I

seen many of us does not understand pulses at all.

I HAD DEVELOPED A METHOD which we can understand pulses without

thinking or memorizing, same way as our diagnosis.

I am sorry I talked too much , sounded as a commercial man. Please

forgive me.

GOOD LUCK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Chinese Medicine , " Guy Sedan "

<guysedan wrote:

>

> Hi Nam and Group,

>

> As a young practitioner (3 years practicing ), there is question that I

> would like to bring up to came up in your email. Although we have our

> pattern differentiation, treatment strategies and point selection,

we never

> really know what point did what in the treatment. We are always left

> guessing if it was the SI7 that did the trick, or another point in the

> selection of points. Sometimes we have to wait to see the patient a week

> later in order to know if we are on the right track.

> This sense of frustration is stronger when I see my colleagues who had

> studied TCM and now have deserted to Japanese acupuncture, claiming

that is

> much more precise and gives better results. They tell me that they

can know

> immediatly if the point did the job and if the results were obtained by

> checking reflexes , pulses and so on. It sounds too good to be true . I

> would like to hear your thoughts on the subject.

>

> Thanks,

> Guy

>

> > Any way, that was actually a lucky shot when I chose SI 7. I did not

> > expect a good result before I started a treatment. However,

> > everybody needs a lucky shot like this once in a while.

> >

>

July 28, 2007

Dr. Nam,

Thanks for sharing your passion and experience.

The one-needle technique or two (dui-xue) or three needle combinations

work amazingly with the right diagnosis and mind state

Could you share more specifics?

I had a toothache and tried all kinds of stuff.

What worked best was LI 4 opposite side (one needle).

The sharp pain (9/10) went away in 5 minutes and never came back.

Also, the combo I've tried on myself, GB 20 and DU 20

completely straightens out the spine and the legs.

DU 20 (100 meeting), GB 20 (Yang wei, Yang Qiao)

Of course, Master Tung uses only 1, 2, or 3 point combinations.

Thanks.

k.

On 7/27/07, dr_namnguyen58 <dr_namnguyen58 wrote:

>

> Dear Guy and our fellowship.

>

> THIS IS MY PRIVILEGE TO SHARE MY EXPERIENCE to all of you. I hope some

> day, we would come together and learn something more exciting.

>

> I have learned TCM theory over and over which is fascinating and to

> me is very accurate.

> What I have done is to create and imagine of pictures and questions. I

> often asked myself a lot of questions and answered them to myself. I

> must find an answer for each of my question.

> I used at least 40 needles for each treatment -this was how I had

> been taught and practiced from the school as an intern, and herbs were

> prescribed more than 15 ingredients- each time. I left the needles on

> the patients' bodies after the treatments eventhough I had searched

> thoroughly a few times to make sure. NOt only that I must waited at

> least for the patients to go home and come back so I could ask whether

> he / she would feel better.

> From the books and from study from school and from our

> practitioners -our professors, we all use too many needles and ask our

> patients after a few treatments, or after the first treatment at least

> the next day.

> I thought to myself " I can not do this anymore, I must find my own

> way "

>

> I MUST DEVELOP MY OWN !!!!!!!!!!

> ONLY ONE NEEDLE for each patient. I saved a lot of needles in this way.

> LOOK AGAIN AND THINK : There are so many diseases, so many names

> of illnesses. Each illness was used too many needles and they were not

> effective. Each point was described in detail -in books, what they can

> do, but we ignore its importance and used too many points anyway which

> lead into confusion and cause diffidence in ourselves.

>

> My ADVICE : LEARN YOUR DIAGNOSIS CORRECTLY, MERIDIANS, AND ORGANS

> CAREFULLY.

> Even if you miss the acu-point, your herbs will enhance and accelerate

> the healing. If the healing is not brought in by acupuncture

> treatments, at least you do not miss your shot by herbal formula.

> AFTER CAREFULLY STUDY DIAGNOSIS, MERIDIANS, ORGANS ... THEN STUDY

> POINTS AND ITS INDICATION !!!!!!

> Then applied them........ THAT IS THE TRICK.

> Ex : a true case : a patient had a sorethroat from coughing or

> from external pathogenic factor " Wind cold or heat " or from long

> term illness from deficiency. I checked pulses, tongue, posture,

> spirit , and inquiries - usu 15 - 20 minute each new patient.

>

> A sorethroat with deficiency : Let say I made mistake , used LI 4 and

> manipulated, then asked the patient to swallow his throat see if the

> sore was still there. This was a wrong point, of course, the sore

> would not disappear.......... OOP, WHY ???? Oh, I used wrong point to

> reduce heat. I counted as zero. Then I used Du 14 ( internal heat ),

> same thing , nothing happen... Again I discounted as none... I

> proceeded again with Ren4 ( tonify yin and body fluid ), again nothing

> better, I also discounted this point, again as zero... WHY ???

> I tried again, chose K6 ... BINGO ... BINGO ... WHen the patient

> swallow his saliva, no more sorethroat. Then I counted it as one

> needle. I rewarded myself, " I AM THE ONE WHO COULD DO ACUPUNCTURE

> WITH ONE NEEDLE "

> I tried different patients with same problem. It worked as a charm!

> But I did not stop there.

> I wanted to try my theory, same problem ,in different patients I

> inserted needles in three different places as : L7, K6 and LI11 ...

> OOP, nothing. I removed LI 11, nothing ...Finally I removed the L7 ,

> BINGO , BINGO , BINGO.........

>

> NOTE : Each time I removed the needle or inserted more needles , I

> manipulated them and ask my patient to do some action to provoke the

> pain or discomfort.

>

> This is how I got instant results from each treatment and I know

> precisely which to choose.

> BUT THERE ARE MANY CASES WHICH ONE NEEDLE WOULD NOT DO THE TRICK, I

> MUST ANALIZE AND ADD EACH ONE TO FORMULATE THE TREATMENT. All I have

> done, not astrayed or wandered from the theory.

>

> I DID NOT INVENT ANYTHING NEW, BUT I FOUND WAY TO PROVE THE POINTS OF

> THEORY WORK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND I AM EXTREMELY HAPPY.

>

> I KNOW SOMEDAY, SOMEONE WILL LEARN FROM THIS METHOD WILL FIND OUT MORE

> AMAZING RESULTS IN AN INSTANCE...

> You must do it yourself or someone should see I do it and watch! Oh, I

> do not think so. I count on all of you. YOU CAN DO IT AS I CAN.

>

> GOOD LUCK TO YOU ALL !!!

> I hope all of us would learn the pulse diagnosis correctly because I

> seen many of us does not understand pulses at all.

> I HAD DEVELOPED A METHOD which we can understand pulses without

> thinking or memorizing, same way as our diagnosis.

>

> I am sorry I talked too much , sounded as a commercial man. Please

> forgive me.

>

> GOOD LUCK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>

> --- In

Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\

ogroups.com>,

> " Guy Sedan "

> <guysedan wrote:

> >

> > Hi Nam and Group,

> >

> > As a young practitioner (3 years practicing ), there is question that I

> > would like to bring up to came up in your email. Although we have our

> > pattern differentiation, treatment strategies and point selection,

> we never

> > really know what point did what in the treatment. We are always left

> > guessing if it was the SI7 that did the trick, or another point in the

> > selection of points. Sometimes we have to wait to see the patient a week

> > later in order to know if we are on the right track.

> > This sense of frustration is stronger when I see my colleagues who had

> > studied TCM and now have deserted to Japanese acupuncture, claiming

> that is

> > much more precise and gives better results. They tell me that they

> can know

> > immediatly if the point did the job and if the results were obtained by

> > checking reflexes , pulses and so on. It sounds too good to be true . I

> > would like to hear your thoughts on the subject.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Guy

> >

> > > Any way, that was actually a lucky shot when I chose SI 7. I did not

> > > expect a good result before I started a treatment. However,

> > > everybody needs a lucky shot like this once in a while.

> > >

> >

July 28, 2007

I have had pain go away on the bottom right molars, by putting a needle in LI 3

opposite side.

Anne

-------------- Original message ----------------------

" " <johnkokko

> Dr. Nam,

> Thanks for sharing your passion and experience.

>

> The one-needle technique or two (dui-xue) or three needle combinations

> work amazingly with the right diagnosis and mind state

>

> Could you share more specifics?

>

> I had a toothache and tried all kinds of stuff.

> What worked best was LI 4 opposite side (one needle).

> The sharp pain (9/10) went away in 5 minutes and never came back.

>

> Also, the combo I've tried on myself, GB 20 and DU 20

> completely straightens out the spine and the legs.

> DU 20 (100 meeting), GB 20 (Yang wei, Yang Qiao)

>

> Of course, Master Tung uses only 1, 2, or 3 point combinations.

>

> Thanks.

> k.

>

> On 7/27/07, dr_namnguyen58 <dr_namnguyen58 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Guy and our fellowship.

> >

> > THIS IS MY PRIVILEGE TO SHARE MY EXPERIENCE to all of you. I hope some

> > day, we would come together and learn something more exciting.

> >

> > I have learned TCM theory over and over which is fascinating and to

> > me is very accurate.

> > What I have done is to create and imagine of pictures and questions. I

> > often asked myself a lot of questions and answered them to myself. I

> > must find an answer for each of my question.

> > I used at least 40 needles for each treatment -this was how I had

> > been taught and practiced from the school as an intern, and herbs were

> > prescribed more than 15 ingredients- each time. I left the needles on

> > the patients' bodies after the treatments eventhough I had searched

> > thoroughly a few times to make sure. NOt only that I must waited at

> > least for the patients to go home and come back so I could ask whether

> > he / she would feel better.

> > From the books and from study from school and from our

> > practitioners -our professors, we all use too many needles and ask our

> > patients after a few treatments, or after the first treatment at least

> > the next day.

> > I thought to myself " I can not do this anymore, I must find my own

> > way "

> >

> > I MUST DEVELOP MY OWN !!!!!!!!!!

> > ONLY ONE NEEDLE for each patient. I saved a lot of needles in this way.

> > LOOK AGAIN AND THINK : There are so many diseases, so many names

> > of illnesses. Each illness was used too many needles and they were not

> > effective. Each point was described in detail -in books, what they can

> > do, but we ignore its importance and used too many points anyway which

> > lead into confusion and cause diffidence in ourselves.

> >

> > My ADVICE : LEARN YOUR DIAGNOSIS CORRECTLY, MERIDIANS, AND ORGANS

> > CAREFULLY.

> > Even if you miss the acu-point, your herbs will enhance and accelerate

> > the healing. If the healing is not brought in by acupuncture

> > treatments, at least you do not miss your shot by herbal formula.

> > AFTER CAREFULLY STUDY DIAGNOSIS, MERIDIANS, ORGANS ... THEN STUDY

> > POINTS AND ITS INDICATION !!!!!!

> > Then applied them........ THAT IS THE TRICK.

> > Ex : a true case : a patient had a sorethroat from coughing or

> > from external pathogenic factor " Wind cold or heat " or from long

> > term illness from deficiency. I checked pulses, tongue, posture,

> > spirit , and inquiries - usu 15 - 20 minute each new patient.

> >

> > A sorethroat with deficiency : Let say I made mistake , used LI 4 and

> > manipulated, then asked the patient to swallow his throat see if the

> > sore was still there. This was a wrong point, of course, the sore

> > would not disappear.......... OOP, WHY ???? Oh, I used wrong point to

> > reduce heat. I counted as zero. Then I used Du 14 ( internal heat ),

> > same thing , nothing happen... Again I discounted as none... I

> > proceeded again with Ren4 ( tonify yin and body fluid ), again nothing

> > better, I also discounted this point, again as zero... WHY ???

> > I tried again, chose K6 ... BINGO ... BINGO ... WHen the patient

> > swallow his saliva, no more sorethroat. Then I counted it as one

> > needle. I rewarded myself, " I AM THE ONE WHO COULD DO ACUPUNCTURE

> > WITH ONE NEEDLE "

> > I tried different patients with same problem. It worked as a charm!

> > But I did not stop there.

> > I wanted to try my theory, same problem ,in different patients I

> > inserted needles in three different places as : L7, K6 and LI11 ...

> > OOP, nothing. I removed LI 11, nothing ...Finally I removed the L7 ,

> > BINGO , BINGO , BINGO.........

> >

> > NOTE : Each time I removed the needle or inserted more needles , I

> > manipulated them and ask my patient to do some action to provoke the

> > pain or discomfort.

> >

> > This is how I got instant results from each treatment and I know

> > precisely which to choose.

> > BUT THERE ARE MANY CASES WHICH ONE NEEDLE WOULD NOT DO THE TRICK, I

> > MUST ANALIZE AND ADD EACH ONE TO FORMULATE THE TREATMENT. All I have

> > done, not astrayed or wandered from the theory.

> >

> > I DID NOT INVENT ANYTHING NEW, BUT I FOUND WAY TO PROVE THE POINTS OF

> > THEORY WORK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND I AM EXTREMELY HAPPY.

> >

> > I KNOW SOMEDAY, SOMEONE WILL LEARN FROM THIS METHOD WILL FIND OUT MORE

> > AMAZING RESULTS IN AN INSTANCE...

> > You must do it yourself or someone should see I do it and watch! Oh, I

> > do not think so. I count on all of you. YOU CAN DO IT AS I CAN.

> >

> > GOOD LUCK TO YOU ALL !!!

> > I hope all of us would learn the pulse diagnosis correctly because I

> > seen many of us does not understand pulses at all.

> > I HAD DEVELOPED A METHOD which we can understand pulses without

> > thinking or memorizing, same way as our diagnosis.

> >

> > I am sorry I talked too much , sounded as a commercial man. Please

> > forgive me.

> >

> > GOOD LUCK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> >

> > --- In

>

Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho

> ogroups.com>,

> > " Guy Sedan "

> > <guysedan wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi Nam and Group,

> > >

> > > As a young practitioner (3 years practicing ), there is question that I

> > > would like to bring up to came up in your email. Although we have our

> > > pattern differentiation, treatment strategies and point selection,

> > we never

> > > really know what point did what in the treatment. We are always left

> > > guessing if it was the SI7 that did the trick, or another point in the

> > > selection of points. Sometimes we have to wait to see the patient a week

> > > later in order to know if we are on the right track.

> > > This sense of frustration is stronger when I see my colleagues who had

> > > studied TCM and now have deserted to Japanese acupuncture, claiming

> > that is

> > > much more precise and gives better results. They tell me that they

> > can know

> > > immediatly if the point did the job and if the results were obtained by

> > > checking reflexes , pulses and so on. It sounds too good to be true . I

> > > would like to hear your thoughts on the subject.

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > Guy

> > >

> > > > Any way, that was actually a lucky shot when I chose SI 7. I did not

> > > > expect a good result before I started a treatment. However,

> > > > everybody needs a lucky shot like this once in a while.

> > > >

> > >

July 28, 2007

Dear Dr. John,

The one needle you chose for toothache , LI 4 , was also described

in books, but it is extremely important how you recognize it and use

it properly - I must admire you for this... All we have to study is to

study the diagonosis carefully and then points so we may not choose a

wrong point.

You started with one point and the toothache vanished. This is what

we want to see and encourage all of our TCM professionals. If other

points were added at the same time, I think probably the internal heat

instead was consumed, it spreaded around and then come back later. The

pain would come back in hours or the next day. Some antibiotics can

cause extreme heat and cause toothache. Your case was excellent. In

your case I would try the same thing if the upper gum-toothache. If

not resolved, I tried S44. Stomach channel for gum, face, sinus "

especially for infection or heat- more blood more Qi channel "

Toothache cause by stomach heat or LI heat " Yangming heat " which

is the best to choose LI4, this toothache from either infection or gum

disease. Other cause from loose tooth , I think I would choose Liv 2

for Yin def which may not hold the tooth, and then have the dentist

recheck... I do not understand why there are a lot of us just choose

local points and ignore the diagnosis.

FOR STRAIGHTEN OUT THE SPINE AND THE LEG, you had done an amazing

effect. I would love to hear more from you and other cases you had

experienced.

Du 20 is best for the brain and also for the spine, but I had never

thought it could straight the leg or spine. What a miracle combination

you had done.

G 20 , I used for Wind " interior / exterior " with dizziness or

headach as a secondary. I had never thought that strong wind would

curl up the spine, muscles, tendons, or ligaments, but now I think it

would , such as in tetanus, covulsion....... WHAT A COMBINATION!!!

THANKS FOR SHARING YOU EXPERIENCE WITH US. I HOPE EVERYBODY WOULD

ENJOY THE SAME SUBJECT HERE AS I DO... Should we all share some

difficult cases or some successful cases here.

Thanks to all,

Nam Nguyen

Chinese Medicine , " "

<johnkokko wrote:

>

> Dr. Nam,

> Thanks for sharing your passion and experience.

>

> The one-needle technique or two (dui-xue) or three needle combinations

> work amazingly with the right diagnosis and mind state

>

> Could you share more specifics?

>

> I had a toothache and tried all kinds of stuff.

> What worked best was LI 4 opposite side (one needle).

> The sharp pain (9/10) went away in 5 minutes and never came back.

>

> Also, the combo I've tried on myself, GB 20 and DU 20

> completely straightens out the spine and the legs.

> DU 20 (100 meeting), GB 20 (Yang wei, Yang Qiao)

>

> Of course, Master Tung uses only 1, 2, or 3 point combinations.

>

> Thanks.

> k.

>

> On 7/27/07, dr_namnguyen58 <dr_namnguyen58 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Guy and our fellowship.

> >

> > THIS IS MY PRIVILEGE TO SHARE MY EXPERIENCE to all of you. I hope some

> > day, we would come together and learn something more exciting.

> >

> > I have learned TCM theory over and over which is fascinating and to

> > me is very accurate.

> > What I have done is to create and imagine of pictures and questions. I

> > often asked myself a lot of questions and answered them to myself. I

> > must find an answer for each of my question.

> > I used at least 40 needles for each treatment -this was how I had

> > been taught and practiced from the school as an intern, and herbs were

> > prescribed more than 15 ingredients- each time. I left the needles on

> > the patients' bodies after the treatments eventhough I had searched

> > thoroughly a few times to make sure. NOt only that I must waited at

> > least for the patients to go home and come back so I could ask whether

> > he / she would feel better.

> > From the books and from study from school and from our

> > practitioners -our professors, we all use too many needles and ask our

> > patients after a few treatments, or after the first treatment at least

> > the next day.

> > I thought to myself " I can not do this anymore, I must find my own

> > way "

> >

> > I MUST DEVELOP MY OWN !!!!!!!!!!

> > ONLY ONE NEEDLE for each patient. I saved a lot of needles in this

way.