IVF Success Rates & ABORM

[Guest guest]

IVF success rates are truly meaningless statistics without more

information. Clearly a success rate of 25% with a patient over 40 with

serious infertility issues such as PCOS, irregular cycles and fibroids,

is remarkably good, while for a 25 year old patient with a totally clean

bill of health and regular cycles 25% is very poor indeed. To lump them

all together gives no useful information. Also it is important to not

just track successful pregnancies, but babies delivered healthy and

happy. An IVF can result in a successful pregnancy only to lead to a

miscarriage down the line.

 

My success rates with infertility are in the 50% range overall and it is

the 3rd most common thing I treat (after pain and well being).

Considering I often am seeing some of the most challenging infertility

patients (over 40, PCOS, high FSH etc.) I think I'm doing rather well.

 

My business is good and I feel no threat from the ABORM forming.

Perhaps I'll look into the test at some point, but once you have a

reputation and can get referrals from reproductive endocrinologists,

having a piece of paper saying you know what you are doing from other

acupuncturists is pretty meaningless. Do your research (know the

Western procedures, drugs, biology, physiology etc.), know what you are

doing, know what a patient is talking about when they come in with their

lab results, get results using our medicine and you will stay busy. I

prefer to let other people more passionate about these things fight the

political battles. I prefer to treat patients.

 

Christopher Vedeler L.Ac.

www.oasisacupuncture.com

[Guest guest]

Christopher,

 

All of these statistics are tracked meticulously and reported to the

CDC. Outcomes of IVF are reported by age group. Conception rates and

live birth rates are alsotracked and reported, as are the incidences

of singletons, twins, triplets, etc.

 

I think Alon was generalizing, but the RE community and the CDC have

specific data across all of these criteria.

 

David Karchmer

 

 

Chinese Medicine , Christopher

Vedeler <vedeler wrote:

>

> IVF success rates are truly meaningless statistics without more

> information. Clearly a success rate of 25% with a patient over 40

with

> serious infertility issues such as PCOS, irregular cycles and

fibroids,

> is remarkably good, while for a 25 year old patient with a totally

clean

> bill of health and regular cycles 25% is very poor indeed. To

lump them

> all together gives no useful information. Also it is important to

not

> just track successful pregnancies, but babies delivered healthy

and

> happy. An IVF can result in a successful pregnancy only to lead

to a

> miscarriage down the line.

>

> My success rates with infertility are in the 50% range overall and

it is

> the 3rd most common thing I treat (after pain and well being).

> Considering I often am seeing some of the most challenging

infertility

> patients (over 40, PCOS, high FSH etc.) I think I'm doing rather

well.

>

> My business is good and I feel no threat from the ABORM forming.

> Perhaps I'll look into the test at some point, but once you have a

> reputation and can get referrals from reproductive

endocrinologists,

> having a piece of paper saying you know what you are doing from

other

> acupuncturists is pretty meaningless. Do your research (know the

> Western procedures, drugs, biology, physiology etc.), know what

you are

> doing, know what a patient is talking about when they come in with

their

> lab results, get results using our medicine and you will stay

busy. I

> prefer to let other people more passionate about these things

fight the

> political battles. I prefer to treat patients.

>

> Christopher Vedeler L.Ac.

> www.oasisacupuncture.com

>

[Guest guest]

christopher:

 

well said. thanks for this post.

 

& btw: you have a nice website. i'm sure it also contributes to attracting

patients.

 

kb

 

 

On 9/16/07, Christopher Vedeler <vedeler wrote:

>

> IVF success rates are truly meaningless statistics without more

> information. Clearly a success rate of 25% with a patient over 40 with

> serious infertility issues such as PCOS, irregular cycles and fibroids,

> is remarkably good, while for a 25 year old patient with a totally clean

> bill of health and regular cycles 25% is very poor indeed. To lump them

> all together gives no useful information. Also it is important to not

> just track successful pregnancies, but babies delivered healthy and

> happy. An IVF can result in a successful pregnancy only to lead to a

> miscarriage down the line.

>

> My success rates with infertility are in the 50% range overall and it is

> the 3rd most common thing I treat (after pain and well being).

> Considering I often am seeing some of the most challenging infertility

> patients (over 40, PCOS, high FSH etc.) I think I'm doing rather well.

>

> My business is good and I feel no threat from the ABORM forming.

> Perhaps I'll look into the test at some point, but once you have a

> reputation and can get referrals from reproductive endocrinologists,

> having a piece of paper saying you know what you are doing from other

> acupuncturists is pretty meaningless. Do your research (know the

> Western procedures, drugs, biology, physiology etc.), know what you are

> doing, know what a patient is talking about when they come in with their

> lab results, get results using our medicine and you will stay busy. I

> prefer to let other people more passionate about these things fight the

> political battles. I prefer to treat patients.

>

> Christopher Vedeler L.Ac.

> www.oasisacupuncture.com

>

>

>

 

 

 

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