Master Tung acupuncture

September 18, 2007

Hello!

I wonder if anyone on this list has any experience with Master Tung

acupuncture and what you think about it……

BR

Carl Wallmark

_____

Från: Chinese Medicine

Chinese Medicine För David Karchmer

Skickat: den 17 september 2007 21:45

Till: Chinese Medicine

Ämne: Re: IVF Success Rates & ABORM

Christopher,

All of these statistics are tracked meticulously and reported to the

CDC. Outcomes of IVF are reported by age group. Conception rates and

live birth rates are alsotracked and reported, as are the incidences

of singletons, twins, triplets, etc.

I think Alon was generalizing, but the RE community and the CDC have

specific data across all of these criteria.

David Karchmer

Traditional_ <Chinese Medicine%40>

Chinese_Medicine , Christopher

Vedeler <vedeler wrote:

>

> IVF success rates are truly meaningless statistics without more

> information. Clearly a success rate of 25% with a patient over 40

with

> serious infertility issues such as PCOS, irregular cycles and

fibroids,

> is remarkably good, while for a 25 year old patient with a totally

clean

> bill of health and regular cycles 25% is very poor indeed. To

lump them

> all together gives no useful information. Also it is important to

not

> just track successful pregnancies, but babies delivered healthy

and

> happy. An IVF can result in a successful pregnancy only to lead

to a

> miscarriage down the line.

>

> My success rates with infertility are in the 50% range overall and

it is

> the 3rd most common thing I treat (after pain and well being).

> Considering I often am seeing some of the most challenging

infertility

> patients (over 40, PCOS, high FSH etc.) I think I'm doing rather

well.

>

> My business is good and I feel no threat from the ABORM forming.

> Perhaps I'll look into the test at some point, but once you have a

> reputation and can get referrals from reproductive

endocrinologists,

> having a piece of paper saying you know what you are doing from

other

> acupuncturists is pretty meaningless. Do your research (know the

> Western procedures, drugs, biology, physiology etc.), know what

you are

> doing, know what a patient is talking about when they come in with

their

> lab results, get results using our medicine and you will stay

busy. I

> prefer to let other people more passionate about these things

fight the

> political battles. I prefer to treat patients.

>

> Christopher Vedeler L.Ac.

> www.oasisacupuncture.com

>

September 19, 2007

Is Young new book only about location of points?

-

flyingstarsfengshui

Chinese Medicine

Wednesday, September 19, 2007 8:29 AM

SV: Re: Master Tung acupuncture

Hi:

I suggest three sources for texts. These people are serious

practioners and teachers and teach and present a comprehensive Tung

system.

1. Dr. Young Wei Chieh, a student of Master Tung. He has a few books

but get his newer book with pics. He does speak much english so his

workshops are translated.

http://www.drweichiehyoung.com/

2. Dr. Robert Chu, he has a few books which are excellent, he speaks

english and fluent chinese and has translated for Dr. Young. I

suggest any of his workshops. You can email hime about books and

schedule.

http://www.chusaulei.com/index.php

3. James Maher, OMD, has written two book I know of which are very

good, Advanced Master Tung Style Acupuncture: Dao Maa Technique and

Advacned Tung Style Acupuncture: Obstetrics and Gynecology.

http://www.advancedtungstyleacupuncture.com/daomao.html

I recommend all of these.

Regards,

david

Chinese Medicine , " Carl "

<carlhenryk.wallmark wrote:

>

> Hi David

>

> Until I can attend a good course, are there any good books you can

> recommend?

>

> BR

>

> Carl

>

> _____

>

> Från: Chinese Medicine

> Chinese Medicine För

> flyingstarsfengshui

> Skickat: den 18 september 2007 21:57

> Till: Chinese Medicine

> Ämne: Re: Master Tung acupuncture

>

> Its exellent, learn it if you can, it will change the way you

> practice. Many protocols for OBGYN.

>

> regards,

>

> david

>

> Traditional_ <Chinese Medicine%

40>

> Chinese_Medicine , " Carl "

> <carlhenryk.wallmark@> wrote:

> >

> > Hello!

> >

> > I wonder if anyone on this list has any experience with Master

Tung

> > acupuncture and what you think about it..

> >

> > BR

> >

> > Carl Wallmark

> >

> > _____

> >

> > Från: Traditional_ <Chinese Medicine%

40>

> Chinese_Medicine

> > [Traditional_

> <Chinese Medicine%40>

> Chinese_Medicine ] För David

> Karchmer

> > Skickat: den 17 september 2007 21:45

> > Till: Traditional_ <Chinese Medicine%

40>

> Chinese_Medicine

> > Ämne: Re: IVF Success Rates & ABORM

> >

> > Christopher,

> >

> > All of these statistics are tracked meticulously and reported to

> the

> > CDC. Outcomes of IVF are reported by age group. Conception rates

> and

> > live birth rates are alsotracked and reported, as are the

> incidences

> > of singletons, twins, triplets, etc.

> >

> > I think Alon was generalizing, but the RE community and the CDC

> have

> > specific data across all of these criteria.

> >

> > David Karchmer

> >

> > Traditional_ <Chinese Medicine%

> 40>

> > Chinese_Medicine@ <Chinese_Medicine%40>

> , Christopher

> > Vedeler <vedeler@> wrote:

> > >

> > > IVF success rates are truly meaningless statistics without

more

> > > information. Clearly a success rate of 25% with a patient over

> 40

> > with

> > > serious infertility issues such as PCOS, irregular cycles and

> > fibroids,

> > > is remarkably good, while for a 25 year old patient with a

> totally

> > clean

> > > bill of health and regular cycles 25% is very poor indeed. To

> > lump them

> > > all together gives no useful information. Also it is important

> to

> > not

> > > just track successful pregnancies, but babies delivered

healthy

> > and

> > > happy. An IVF can result in a successful pregnancy only to

lead

> > to a

> > > miscarriage down the line.

> > >

> > > My success rates with infertility are in the 50% range overall

> and

> > it is

> > > the 3rd most common thing I treat (after pain and well being).

> > > Considering I often am seeing some of the most challenging

> > infertility

> > > patients (over 40, PCOS, high FSH etc.) I think I'm doing

rather

> > well.

> > >

> > > My business is good and I feel no threat from the ABORM

forming.

> > > Perhaps I'll look into the test at some point, but once you

have

> a

> > > reputation and can get referrals from reproductive

> > endocrinologists,

> > > having a piece of paper saying you know what you are doing

from

> > other

> > > acupuncturists is pretty meaningless. Do your research (know

the

> > > Western procedures, drugs, biology, physiology etc.), know

what

> > you are

> > > doing, know what a patient is talking about when they come in

> with

> > their

> > > lab results, get results using our medicine and you will stay

> > busy. I

> > > prefer to let other people more passionate about these things

> > fight the

> > > political battles. I prefer to treat patients.

> > >

> > > Christopher Vedeler L.Ac.

> > > www.oasisacupuncture.com

> > >

> >

September 20, 2007

Has anyone seen Young's new book?

-

flyingstarsfengshui

Chinese Medicine

Wednesday, September 19, 2007 8:29 AM

SV: Re: Master Tung acupuncture

Hi:

I suggest three sources for texts. These people are serious

practioners and teachers and teach and present a comprehensive Tung

system.

1. Dr. Young Wei Chieh, a student of Master Tung. He has a few books

but get his newer book with pics. He does speak much english so his

workshops are translated.

http://www.drweichiehyoung.com/

2. Dr. Robert Chu, he has a few books which are excellent, he speaks

english and fluent chinese and has translated for Dr. Young. I

suggest any of his workshops. You can email hime about books and

schedule.

http://www.chusaulei.com/index.php

3. James Maher, OMD, has written two book I know of which are very

good, Advanced Master Tung Style Acupuncture: Dao Maa Technique and

Advacned Tung Style Acupuncture: Obstetrics and Gynecology.

http://www.advancedtungstyleacupuncture.com/daomao.html

I recommend all of these.

Regards,

david

Chinese Medicine , " Carl "

<carlhenryk.wallmark wrote:

>

> Hi David

>

> Until I can attend a good course, are there any good books you can

> recommend?

>

> BR

>

> Carl

>

> _____

>

> Från: Chinese Medicine

> Chinese Medicine För

> flyingstarsfengshui

> Skickat: den 18 september 2007 21:57

> Till: Chinese Medicine

> Ämne: Re: Master Tung acupuncture

>

> Its exellent, learn it if you can, it will change the way you

> practice. Many protocols for OBGYN.

>

> regards,

>

> david

>

> Traditional_ <Chinese Medicine%

40>

> Chinese_Medicine , " Carl "

> <carlhenryk.wallmark@> wrote:

> >

> > Hello!

> >

> > I wonder if anyone on this list has any experience with Master

Tung

> > acupuncture and what you think about it..

> >

> > BR

> >

> > Carl Wallmark

> >

> > _____

> >

> > Från: Traditional_ <Chinese Medicine%

40>

> Chinese_Medicine

> > [Traditional_

> <Chinese Medicine%40>

> Chinese_Medicine ] För David

> Karchmer

> > Skickat: den 17 september 2007 21:45

> > Till: Traditional_ <Chinese Medicine%

40>

> Chinese_Medicine

> > Ämne: Re: IVF Success Rates & ABORM

> >

> > Christopher,

> >

> > All of these statistics are tracked meticulously and reported to

> the

> > CDC. Outcomes of IVF are reported by age group. Conception rates

> and

> > live birth rates are alsotracked and reported, as are the

> incidences

> > of singletons, twins, triplets, etc.

> >

> > I think Alon was generalizing, but the RE community and the CDC

> have

> > specific data across all of these criteria.

> >

> > David Karchmer

> >

> > Traditional_ <Chinese Medicine%

> 40>

> > Chinese_Medicine@ <Chinese_Medicine%40>

> , Christopher

> > Vedeler <vedeler@> wrote:

> > >

> > > IVF success rates are truly meaningless statistics without

more

> > > information. Clearly a success rate of 25% with a patient over

> 40

> > with

> > > serious infertility issues such as PCOS, irregular cycles and

> > fibroids,

> > > is remarkably good, while for a 25 year old patient with a

> totally

> > clean

> > > bill of health and regular cycles 25% is very poor indeed. To

> > lump them

> > > all together gives no useful information. Also it is important

> to

> > not

> > > just track successful pregnancies, but babies delivered

healthy

> > and

> > > happy. An IVF can result in a successful pregnancy only to

lead

> > to a

> > > miscarriage down the line.

> > >

> > > My success rates with infertility are in the 50% range overall

> and

> > it is

> > > the 3rd most common thing I treat (after pain and well being).

> > > Considering I often am seeing some of the most challenging

> > infertility

> > > patients (over 40, PCOS, high FSH etc.) I think I'm doing

rather

> > well.

> > >

> > > My business is good and I feel no threat from the ABORM

forming.

> > > Perhaps I'll look into the test at some point, but once you

have

> a

> > > reputation and can get referrals from reproductive

> > endocrinologists,

> > > having a piece of paper saying you know what you are doing

from

> > other

> > > acupuncturists is pretty meaningless. Do your research (know

the

> > > Western procedures, drugs, biology, physiology etc.), know

what

> > you are

> > > doing, know what a patient is talking about when they come in

> with

> > their

> > > lab results, get results using our medicine and you will stay

> > busy. I

> > > prefer to let other people more passionate about these things

> > fight the

> > > political battles. I prefer to treat patients.

> > >

> > > Christopher Vedeler L.Ac.

> > > www.oasisacupuncture.com

> > >

> >

September 20, 2007

hi all,

could anyone tell me where i can order master tung's chinese version

books?thanks

>

September 20, 2007

do you mean the Illustrated green-cover book? It is a compilation of color

photos, helps to clarify exact location and needling angles of the commonly

used Tung's points. It's a nice companion to Dr. Young's other book (the

maroon one). I did notice better results after becoming more precise with

needling angles & location. but not sure it's nearly as good

bang-for-the-buck as the marroon book. i got both books with substantial

discount during Dr. Young's last class held at Five Branches. I've only used

the Illustrated photo-book every once in while. But the maroon book has the

bulk of the information... far more valuable of a resource.

--

Edith Chan, L.Ac.

Phone: 415.298.5324

www.EdithChanAcupuncture.com

On 9/19/07, Alon Marcus <alonmarcus wrote:

>

> Has anyone seen Young's new book?

>

> -

> flyingstarsfengshui

> To:

Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\

ogroups.com>

> Wednesday, September 19, 2007 8:29 AM

> SV: Re: Master Tung acupuncture

>

> Hi:

>

> I suggest three sources for texts. These people are serious

> practioners and teachers and teach and present a comprehensive Tung

> system.

>

> 1. Dr. Young Wei Chieh, a student of Master Tung. He has a few books

> but get his newer book with pics. He does speak much english so his

> workshops are translated.

>

> http://www.drweichiehyoung.com/

>

> 2. Dr. Robert Chu, he has a few books which are excellent, he speaks

> english and fluent chinese and has translated for Dr. Young. I

> suggest any of his workshops. You can email hime about books and

> schedule.

>

> http://www.chusaulei.com/index.php

>

> 3. James Maher, OMD, has written two book I know of which are very

> good, Advanced Master Tung Style Acupuncture: Dao Maa Technique and

> Advacned Tung Style Acupuncture: Obstetrics and Gynecology.

>

> http://www.advancedtungstyleacupuncture.com/daomao.html

>

> I recommend all of these.

>

> Regards,

>

> david

>

> --- In

Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\

ogroups.com>,

> " Carl "

> <carlhenryk.wallmark wrote:

> >

> > Hi David

> >

> > Until I can attend a good course, are there any good books you can

> > recommend?

> >

> > BR

> >

> > Carl

> >

> > _____

> >

> > Från:

Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\

ogroups.com>

> >

[Chinese Medicine <Traditional_Chinese_Medicin\

e%40>]

> För

> > flyingstarsfengshui

> > Skickat: den 18 september 2007 21:57

> > Till:

Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\

ogroups.com>

> > Ämne: Re: Master Tung acupuncture

> >

> > Its exellent, learn it if you can, it will change the way you

> > practice. Many protocols for OBGYN.

> >

> > regards,

> >

> > david

> >

> > Traditional_ <Chinese Medicine%

> 40>

> > Chinese_Medicine <Chinese_Medicine%40>,

> " Carl "

> > <carlhenryk.wallmark@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hello!

> > >

> > > I wonder if anyone on this list has any experience with Master

> Tung

> > > acupuncture and what you think about it..

> > >

> > > BR

> > >

> > > Carl Wallmark

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> > > Från: Traditional_ <Chinese Medicine%

> 40>

> > Chinese_Medicine <Chinese_Medicine%40>

> > > [Traditional_

> > <Chinese Medicine%40>

> > Chinese_Medicine <Chinese_Medicine%40>]

> För David

> > Karchmer

> > > Skickat: den 17 september 2007 21:45

> > > Till: Traditional_ <Chinese Medicine%

> 40>

> > Chinese_Medicine <Chinese_Medicine%40>

> > > Ämne: Re: IVF Success Rates & ABORM

> > >

> > > Christopher,

> > >

> > > All of these statistics are tracked meticulously and reported to

> > the

> > > CDC. Outcomes of IVF are reported by age group. Conception rates

> > and

> > > live birth rates are alsotracked and reported, as are the

> > incidences

> > > of singletons, twins, triplets, etc.

> > >

> > > I think Alon was generalizing, but the RE community and the CDC

> > have

> > > specific data across all of these criteria.

> > >

> > > David Karchmer

> > >

> > > Traditional_ <Chinese Medicine%

> > 40>

> > > Chinese_Medicine@ <Chinese_Medicine%40>

> > , Christopher

> > > Vedeler <vedeler@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > IVF success rates are truly meaningless statistics without

> more

> > > > information. Clearly a success rate of 25% with a patient over

> > 40

> > > with

> > > > serious infertility issues such as PCOS, irregular cycles and

> > > fibroids,

> > > > is remarkably good, while for a 25 year old patient with a

> > totally

> > > clean

> > > > bill of health and regular cycles 25% is very poor indeed. To

> > > lump them

> > > > all together gives no useful information. Also it is important

> > to

> > > not

> > > > just track successful pregnancies, but babies delivered

> healthy

> > > and

> > > > happy. An IVF can result in a successful pregnancy only to

> lead

> > > to a

> > > > miscarriage down the line.

> > > >

> > > > My success rates with infertility are in the 50% range overall

> > and

> > > it is

> > > > the 3rd most common thing I treat (after pain and well being).

> > > > Considering I often am seeing some of the most challenging

> > > infertility

> > > > patients (over 40, PCOS, high FSH etc.) I think I'm doing

> rather

> > > well.

> > > >

> > > > My business is good and I feel no threat from the ABORM

> forming.

> > > > Perhaps I'll look into the test at some point, but once you

> have

> > a

> > > > reputation and can get referrals from reproductive

> > > endocrinologists,

> > > > having a piece of paper saying you know what you are doing

> from

> > > other

> > > > acupuncturists is pretty meaningless. Do your research (know

> the

> > > > Western procedures, drugs, biology, physiology etc.), know

> what

> > > you are

> > > > doing, know what a patient is talking about when they come in

> > with

> > > their

> > > > lab results, get results using our medicine and you will stay

> > > busy. I

> > > > prefer to let other people more passionate about these things

> > > fight the

> > > > political battles. I prefer to treat patients.

> > > >

> > > > Christopher Vedeler L.Ac.

> > > > www.oasisacupuncture.com

> > > >

> > >

September 21, 2007

Edith

Is it just photos or does it include some explanations

-

Edith Chan, L.Ac.

Chinese Medicine

Thursday, September 20, 2007 2:53 PM

Re: Re: Master Tung acupuncture