SV: Master Tung acupuncture

[Guest guest]

Hi David

 

 

 

Until I can attend a good course, are there any good books you can

recommend?

 

 

 

BR

 

Carl

 

 

 

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Från: Chinese Medicine

Chinese Medicine För

flyingstarsfengshui

Skickat: den 18 september 2007 21:57

Till: Chinese Medicine

Ämne: Re: Master Tung acupuncture

 

 

 

 

Its exellent, learn it if you can, it will change the way you

practice. Many protocols for OBGYN.

 

regards,

 

david

 

Traditional_ <Chinese Medicine%40>

Chinese_Medicine , " Carl "

<carlhenryk.wallmark wrote:

>

> Hello!

>

>

>

> I wonder if anyone on this list has any experience with Master Tung

> acupuncture and what you think about it……

>

>

>

> BR

>

> Carl Wallmark

>

>

>

> _____

>

> Från: Traditional_ <Chinese Medicine%40>

Chinese_Medicine

> [Traditional_

<Chinese Medicine%40>

Chinese_Medicine ] För David

Karchmer

> Skickat: den 17 september 2007 21:45

> Till: Traditional_ <Chinese Medicine%40>

Chinese_Medicine

> Ämne: Re: IVF Success Rates & ABORM

>

>

>

> Christopher,

>

> All of these statistics are tracked meticulously and reported to

the

> CDC. Outcomes of IVF are reported by age group. Conception rates

and

> live birth rates are alsotracked and reported, as are the

incidences

> of singletons, twins, triplets, etc.

>

> I think Alon was generalizing, but the RE community and the CDC

have

> specific data across all of these criteria.

>

> David Karchmer

>

> Traditional_ <Chinese Medicine%

40>

> Chinese_Medicine@ <Chinese_Medicine%40>

, Christopher

> Vedeler <vedeler@> wrote:

> >

> > IVF success rates are truly meaningless statistics without more

> > information. Clearly a success rate of 25% with a patient over

40

> with

> > serious infertility issues such as PCOS, irregular cycles and

> fibroids,

> > is remarkably good, while for a 25 year old patient with a

totally

> clean

> > bill of health and regular cycles 25% is very poor indeed. To

> lump them

> > all together gives no useful information. Also it is important

to

> not

> > just track successful pregnancies, but babies delivered healthy

> and

> > happy. An IVF can result in a successful pregnancy only to lead

> to a

> > miscarriage down the line.

> >

> > My success rates with infertility are in the 50% range overall

and

> it is

> > the 3rd most common thing I treat (after pain and well being).

> > Considering I often am seeing some of the most challenging

> infertility

> > patients (over 40, PCOS, high FSH etc.) I think I'm doing rather

> well.

> >

> > My business is good and I feel no threat from the ABORM forming.

> > Perhaps I'll look into the test at some point, but once you have

a

> > reputation and can get referrals from reproductive

> endocrinologists,

> > having a piece of paper saying you know what you are doing from

> other

> > acupuncturists is pretty meaningless. Do your research (know the

> > Western procedures, drugs, biology, physiology etc.), know what

> you are

> > doing, know what a patient is talking about when they come in

with

> their

> > lab results, get results using our medicine and you will stay

> busy. I

> > prefer to let other people more passionate about these things

> fight the

> > political battles. I prefer to treat patients.

> >

> > Christopher Vedeler L.Ac.

> > www.oasisacupuncture.com

>

[Guest guest]

I suggest you check out these links for some texts.

http://www.tungspoints.com/

http://www.drweichiehyoung.com/

http://www.advancedtungstyleacupuncture.com/

 

I own the two texts by Dr Young and find them to be a great resource.

Since he is still alive you might want to check out his seminar as he

currently is the one who seems to have been with Master Tung the most. Mike W.

Bowser, L Ac

 

 

:

carlhenryk.wallmark: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 00:33:09 +0200SV:

Re: Master Tung acupuncture

 

 

 

 

Hi DavidUntil I can attend a good course, are there any good books you

canrecommend?BRCarl_____ Från:

Chinese Medicine [Chinese Medicine\

@] FörflyingstarsfengshuiSkickat: den 18 september 2007

21:57Till: Chinese Medicine Ämne: Re: Master

Tung acupunctureIts exellent, learn it if you can, it will change the way you

practice. Many protocols for OBGYN.regards,davidTraditional_

<Chinese Medicine%40>Chinese_Medicine@gro\

ups.com, " Carl " <carlhenryk.wallmark wrote:>> Hello!> > > > I wonder if

anyone on this list has any experience with Master Tung> acupuncture and what

you think about it……> > > > BR> > Carl Wallmark> > > > _____ > > Från:

Traditional_

<Chinese Medicine%40>Chinese_Medicine@gro\

ups.com>

[Traditional_<Chinese Medicine%40>Chine\

se_Medicine ] För David Karchmer> Skickat: den 17 september 2007

21:45> Till: Traditional_

<Chinese Medicine%40>Chinese_Medicine@gro\

ups.com> Ämne: Re: IVF Success Rates & ABORM> > > > Christopher,> > All of

these statistics are tracked meticulously and reported to the > CDC. Outcomes of

IVF are reported by age group. Conception rates and > live birth rates are

alsotracked and reported, as are the incidences > of singletons, twins,

triplets, etc.> > I think Alon was generalizing, but the RE community and the

CDC have > specific data across all of these criteria. > > David Karchmer> > ---

In Traditional_ <Chinese Medicine%40>>

Chinese_Medicine@ <Chinese_Medicine%40>,

Christopher > Vedeler <vedeler@> wrote:> >> > IVF success rates are truly

meaningless statistics without more > > information. Clearly a success rate of

25% with a patient over 40 > with > > serious infertility issues such as PCOS,

irregular cycles and > fibroids, > > is remarkably good, while for a 25 year old

patient with a totally > clean > > bill of health and regular cycles 25% is very

poor indeed. To > lump them > > all together gives no useful information. Also

it is important to > not > > just track successful pregnancies, but babies

delivered healthy > and > > happy. An IVF can result in a successful pregnancy

only to lead > to a > > miscarriage down the line.> > > > My success rates with

infertility are in the 50% range overall and > it is > > the 3rd most common

thing I treat (after pain and well being). > > Considering I often am seeing

some of the most challenging > infertility > > patients (over 40, PCOS, high FSH

etc.) I think I'm doing rather > well. > > > > My business is good and I feel no

threat from the ABORM forming. > > Perhaps I'll look into the test at some

point, but once you have a > > reputation and can get referrals from

reproductive > endocrinologists, > > having a piece of paper saying you know

what you are doing from > other > > acupuncturists is pretty meaningless. Do

your research (know the > > Western procedures, drugs, biology, physiology

etc.), know what > you are > > doing, know what a patient is talking about when

they come in with > their > > lab results, get results using our medicine and

you will stay > busy. I > > prefer to let other people more passionate about

these things > fight the > > political battles. I prefer to treat patients.> > >

> Christopher Vedeler L.Ac.> > www.oasisacupuncture.com> >> > > > > > [Non-text

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