Guest guest Posted September 19, 2007 Report Share Posted September 19, 2007 I'm not sure if we are talking about the same Master Tung here, but there was an article on Master Tung acupuncture in CMT, see http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/section/218/1/the_acupuncture_of_m aster_tung Attilio Chinese Medicine , " Carl " <carlhenryk.wallmark wrote: > > Hi David > > > > Until I can attend a good course, are there any good books you can > recommend? > > > > BR > > Carl > > > > _____ > > Från: Chinese Medicine > Chinese Medicine För > flyingstarsfengshui > Skickat: den 18 september 2007 21:57 > Till: Chinese Medicine > Ämne: Re: Master Tung acupuncture > > > > > Its exellent, learn it if you can, it will change the way you > practice. Many protocols for OBGYN. > > regards, > > david > > Traditional_ <Chinese Medicine% 40> > Chinese_Medicine , " Carl " > <carlhenryk.wallmark@> wrote: > > > > Hello! > > > > > > > > I wonder if anyone on this list has any experience with Master Tung > > acupuncture and what you think about it…… > > > > > > > > BR > > > > Carl Wallmark > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > Från: Traditional_ <Chinese Medicine% 40> > Chinese_Medicine > > [Traditional_ > <Chinese Medicine%40> > Chinese_Medicine ] För David > Karchmer > > Skickat: den 17 september 2007 21:45 > > Till: Traditional_ <Chinese Medicine% 40> > Chinese_Medicine > > Ämne: Re: IVF Success Rates & ABORM > > > > > > > > Christopher, > > > > All of these statistics are tracked meticulously and reported to > the > > CDC. Outcomes of IVF are reported by age group. Conception rates > and > > live birth rates are alsotracked and reported, as are the > incidences > > of singletons, twins, triplets, etc. > > > > I think Alon was generalizing, but the RE community and the CDC > have > > specific data across all of these criteria. > > > > David Karchmer > > > > Traditional_ <Chinese Medicine% > 40> > > Chinese_Medicine@ <Chinese_Medicine%40> > , Christopher > > Vedeler <vedeler@> wrote: > > > > > > IVF success rates are truly meaningless statistics without more > > > information. Clearly a success rate of 25% with a patient over > 40 > > with > > > serious infertility issues such as PCOS, irregular cycles and > > fibroids, > > > is remarkably good, while for a 25 year old patient with a > totally > > clean > > > bill of health and regular cycles 25% is very poor indeed. To > > lump them > > > all together gives no useful information. Also it is important > to > > not > > > just track successful pregnancies, but babies delivered healthy > > and > > > happy. An IVF can result in a successful pregnancy only to lead > > to a > > > miscarriage down the line. > > > > > > My success rates with infertility are in the 50% range overall > and > > it is > > > the 3rd most common thing I treat (after pain and well being). > > > Considering I often am seeing some of the most challenging > > infertility > > > patients (over 40, PCOS, high FSH etc.) I think I'm doing rather > > well. > > > > > > My business is good and I feel no threat from the ABORM forming. > > > Perhaps I'll look into the test at some point, but once you have > a > > > reputation and can get referrals from reproductive > > endocrinologists, > > > having a piece of paper saying you know what you are doing from > > other > > > acupuncturists is pretty meaningless. Do your research (know the > > > Western procedures, drugs, biology, physiology etc.), know what > > you are > > > doing, know what a patient is talking about when they come in > with > > their > > > lab results, get results using our medicine and you will stay > > busy. I > > > prefer to let other people more passionate about these things > > fight the > > > political battles. I prefer to treat patients. > > > > > > Christopher Vedeler L.Ac. > > > www.oasisacupuncture.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2007 Report Share Posted September 19, 2007 Mike: Great resource, thanks. If you get the Illustrated book, do you also need the Red book to explain points and treatment. Anne -------------- Original message ---------------------- mike Bowser <naturaldoc1 > I suggest you check out these links for some texts. > http://www.tungspoints.com/ > http://www.drweichiehyoung.com/ > http://www.advancedtungstyleacupuncture.com/ > > I own the two texts by Dr Young and find them to be a great resource. > Since he is still alive you might want to check out his seminar as he > currently is the one who seems to have been with Master Tung the most. Mike W. > Bowser, L Ac > > > : > carlhenryk.wallmark: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 00:33:09 +0200SV: > Re: Master Tung acupuncture > > > > > Hi DavidUntil I can attend a good course, are there any good books you > canrecommend?BRCarl_____ Från: > Chinese Medicine [Chinese Medicine > @] FörflyingstarsfengshuiSkickat: den 18 september 2007 > 21:57Till: Chinese Medicine Ämne: Re: Master > Tung acupunctureIts exellent, learn it if you can, it will change the way you > practice. Many protocols for OBGYN.regards,davidTraditional_ > <Chinese Medicine%40>Chinese_Medicine@gro > ups.com, " Carl " <carlhenryk.wallmark wrote:>> Hello!> > > > I wonder if > anyone on this list has any experience with Master Tung> acupuncture and what > you think about it……> > > > BR> > Carl Wallmark> > > > _____ > > Från: > Traditional_ > <Chinese Medicine%40>Chinese_Medicine@gro > ups.com> > [Traditional_<Chinese Medicine%40>Chine > se_Medicine ] För David Karchmer> Skickat: den 17 september 2007 > 21:45> Till: Traditional_ > <Chinese Medicine%40>Chinese_Medicine@gro > ups.com> Ämne: Re: IVF Success Rates & ABORM> > > > Christopher,> > All of > these statistics are tracked meticulously and reported to the > CDC. Outcomes of > IVF are reported by age group. Conception rates and > live birth rates are > alsotracked and reported, as are the incidences > of singletons, twins, > triplets, etc.> > I think Alon was generalizing, but the RE community and the > CDC have > specific data across all of these criteria. > > David Karchmer> > --- > In Traditional_ <Chinese Medicine%40>> > Chinese_Medicine@ <Chinese_Medicine%40>, > Christopher > Vedeler <vedeler@> wrote:> >> > IVF success rates are truly > meaningless statistics without more > > information. Clearly a success rate of > 25% with a patient over 40 > with > > serious infertility issues such as PCOS, > irregular cycles and > fibroids, > > is remarkably good, while for a 25 year old > patient with a totally > clean > > bill of health and regular cycles 25% is very > poor indeed. To > lump them > > all together gives no useful information. Also > it is important to > not > > just track successful pregnancies, but babies > delivered healthy > and > > happy. An IVF can result in a successful pregnancy > only to lead > to a > > miscarriage down the line.> > > > My success rates with > infertility are in the 50% range overall and > it is > > the 3rd most common > thing I treat (after pain and well being). > > Considering I often am seeing > some of the most challenging > infertility > > patients (over 40, PCOS, high FSH > etc.) I think I'm doing rather > well. > > > > My business is good and I feel no > threat from the ABORM forming. > > Perhaps I'll look into the test at some > point, but once you have a > > reputation and can get referrals from > reproductive > endocrinologists, > > having a piece of paper saying you know > what you are doing from > other > > acupuncturists is pretty meaningless. Do > your research (know the > > Western procedures, drugs, biology, physiology > etc.), know what > you are > > doing, know what a patient is talking about when > they come in with > their > > lab results, get results using our medicine and > you will stay > busy. I > > prefer to let other people more passionate about > these things > fight the > > political battles. I prefer to treat patients.> > > > > Christopher Vedeler L.Ac.> > www.oasisacupuncture.com> >> > > > > > [Non-text > portions of this message have been removed]>[Non-text portions of this message > have been removed] _______________ > Gear up for Halo® 3 with free downloads and an exclusive offer. It’s our way of > saying thanks for using Windows Live™. > http://gethalo3gear.com?ocid=SeptemberWLHalo3_WLHMTxt_2 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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