Guest guest Posted February 26, 2008 Report Share Posted February 26, 2008 I like HBW needles. No coating, very comfortable, super cheap. I mostly use 36 guage. Sean _____ Chinese Medicine Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of J. Lynn Detamore Tuesday, February 26, 2008 1:10 PM Chinese Medicine RE: skin resistance Janis, There are other needles that are not silicone coated, but I have found Helio's to be easiest for insertion and manipulation. Yes, the Acu- needles are pricey. I do not recall that they are pricier than Sierin's, though. I decided to ignore that factor with needles. Interesting, your experience with patients with tougher skin. I bet part of it is truly that the nervous system comes to know and be more receptive to the needles. Lynn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2008 Report Share Posted February 26, 2008 Sean, I've not heard of HBW. Are they available in boxes of 1000? Where can I find out more about them? Sean Doherty <sean wrote: I like HBW needles. No coating, very comfortable, super cheap. I mostly use 36 guage. Sean _____ Chinese Medicine Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of J. Lynn Detamore Tuesday, February 26, 2008 1:10 PM Chinese Medicine RE: skin resistance Janis, There are other needles that are not silicone coated, but I have found Helio's to be easiest for insertion and manipulation. Yes, the Acu- needles are pricey. I do not recall that they are pricier than Sierin's, though. I decided to ignore that factor with needles. Interesting, your experience with patients with tougher skin. I bet part of it is truly that the nervous system comes to know and be more receptive to the needles. Lynn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 Andrea Beth, Well, the HBW needles do have wound handles with the little perpendicular loop on top, so not sure if they will make the cut with your criteria. They come in boxes of 500 (5needles/tube x100). I am not sure if we can post links to commercial sites, so I will send you the link directly. They may send you a sample pack to try out if you ask them. I just contacted the needle brand Z'ev mentioned (Kenshin) and they are sending me a sample pack to try out. Best, Sean _____ Chinese Medicine Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of Andrea Beth Damsky Tuesday, February 26, 2008 6:48 PM Chinese Medicine Re: skin resistance/needlebrand Sean, I've not heard of HBW. Are they available in boxes of 1000? Where can I find out more about them? Sean Doherty <sean (AT) pointnatural (DOT) <sean%40pointnatural.com> com> wrote: I like HBW needles. No coating, very comfortable, super cheap. I mostly use 36 guage. Sean _____ Traditional_ <Chinese Medicine%40> Chinese_Medicine [Traditional_ <Chinese Medicine%40> Chinese_Medicine ] On Behalf Of J. Lynn Detamore Tuesday, February 26, 2008 1:10 PM Traditional_ <Chinese Medicine%40> Chinese_Medicine RE: skin resistance Janis, There are other needles that are not silicone coated, but I have found Helio's to be easiest for insertion and manipulation. Yes, the Acu- needles are pricey. I do not recall that they are pricier than Sierin's, though. I decided to ignore that factor with needles. Interesting, your experience with patients with tougher skin. I bet part of it is truly that the nervous system comes to know and be more receptive to the needles. Lynn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 Thanks, Sean! Coincidentally, I just received a catalog from then last night! All best, Andrea Beth Sean Doherty <sean wrote: Andrea Beth, Well, the HBW needles do have wound handles with the little perpendicular loop on top, so not sure if they will make the cut with your criteria. They come in boxes of 500 (5needles/tube x100). I am not sure if we can post links to commercial sites, so I will send you the link directly. They may send you a sample pack to try out if you ask them. I just contacted the needle brand Z'ev mentioned (Kenshin) and they are sending me a sample pack to try out. Best, Sean _____ Chinese Medicine Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of Andrea Beth Damsky Tuesday, February 26, 2008 6:48 PM Chinese Medicine Re: skin resistance/needlebrand Sean, I've not heard of HBW. Are they available in boxes of 1000? Where can I find out more about them? Sean Doherty com> wrote: I like HBW needles. No coating, very comfortable, super cheap. I mostly use 36 guage. Sean _____ Traditional_ Chinese_Medicine [Traditional_ Chinese_Medicine ] On Behalf Of J. Lynn Detamore Tuesday, February 26, 2008 1:10 PM Traditional_ Chinese_Medicine RE: skin resistance Janis, There are other needles that are not silicone coated, but I have found Helio's to be easiest for insertion and manipulation. Yes, the Acu- needles are pricey. I do not recall that they are pricier than Sierin's, though. I decided to ignore that factor with needles. Interesting, your experience with patients with tougher skin. I bet part of it is truly that the nervous system comes to know and be more receptive to the needles. Lynn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 I use MAC needles and find them very comparable to Seirins (much cheaper, not sure if they are coated but I don't think so). Andrea, I order them from acu-market and they don't come in packaging like you described. I buy the box of 400 - they come in strips of 20 needles with one guide tube (they give you a few extra tubes in the box). Chinese Medicine , Andrea Beth Damsky < wrote: > > Thanks, Sean! Coincidentally, I just received a catalog from then last night! > > All best, > Andrea Beth > > Sean Doherty <sean wrote: Andrea Beth, > > Well, the HBW needles do have wound handles with the little perpendicular > loop on top, so not sure if they will make the cut with your criteria. They > come in boxes of 500 (5needles/tube x100). I am not sure if we can post > links to commercial sites, so I will send you the link directly. They may > send you a sample pack to try out if you ask them. I just contacted the > needle brand Z'ev mentioned (Kenshin) and they are sending me a sample pack > to try out. > > > > Best, > > Sean > > _____ > > Chinese Medicine > Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of Andrea > Beth Damsky > Tuesday, February 26, 2008 6:48 PM > Chinese Medicine > Re: skin resistance/needlebrand > > > > Sean, > > I've not heard of HBW. Are they available in boxes of 1000? Where can I find > out more about them? > > > > Sean Doherty com> > wrote: > > I like HBW needles. No coating, very comfortable, super cheap. I mostly > use 36 guage. > > Sean > > _____ > > Traditional_ > Chinese_Medicine > [Traditional_ > Chinese_Medicine ] On Behalf Of J. Lynn > Detamore > Tuesday, February 26, 2008 1:10 PM > Traditional_ > Chinese_Medicine > RE: skin resistance > > Janis, > > There are other needles that are not silicone coated, > but I have found Helio's to be easiest for insertion > and manipulation. > > Yes, the Acu- needles are pricey. I do not recall that > they are pricier than Sierin's, though. I decided to > ignore that factor with needles. > > Interesting, your experience with patients with > tougher skin. I bet part of it is truly that the > nervous system comes to know and be more receptive to > the needles. > > Lynn > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 If you don't use all the needles in a package, e.g. 20 per guide tube, how do you keep them sanitary if the whole pack is not used right away. Anne -- Anne C. Crowley, L.Ac., M.Ac., Dipl.Ac. www.SouthernMDacupuncture.com -------------- Original message ---------------------- " Adam Schreiber " <schreib > I use MAC needles and find them very comparable to Seirins (much > cheaper, not sure if they are coated but I don't think so). Andrea, I > order them from acu-market and they don't come in packaging like you > described. I buy the box of 400 - they come in strips of 20 needles > with one guide tube (they give you a few extra tubes in the box). > > > > Chinese Medicine , Andrea Beth > Damsky < wrote: > > > > Thanks, Sean! Coincidentally, I just received a catalog from then > last night! > > > > All best, > > Andrea Beth > > > > Sean Doherty <sean wrote: Andrea Beth, > > > > Well, the HBW needles do have wound handles with the little > perpendicular > > loop on top, so not sure if they will make the cut with your > criteria. They > > come in boxes of 500 (5needles/tube x100). I am not sure if we can post > > links to commercial sites, so I will send you the link directly. > They may > > send you a sample pack to try out if you ask them. I just contacted the > > needle brand Z'ev mentioned (Kenshin) and they are sending me a > sample pack > > to try out. > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > Sean > > > > _____ > > > > Chinese Medicine > > Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of > Andrea > > Beth Damsky > > Tuesday, February 26, 2008 6:48 PM > > Chinese Medicine > > Re: skin resistance/needlebrand > > > > > > > > Sean, > > > > I've not heard of HBW. Are they available in boxes of 1000? Where > can I find > > out more about them? > > > > > > > > Sean Doherty com> > > wrote: > > > > I like HBW needles. No coating, very comfortable, super cheap. I mostly > > use 36 guage. > > > > Sean > > > > _____ > > > > Traditional_ > > Chinese_Medicine > > [Traditional_ > > Chinese_Medicine ] On Behalf Of J. Lynn > > Detamore > > Tuesday, February 26, 2008 1:10 PM > > Traditional_ > > Chinese_Medicine > > RE: skin resistance > > > > Janis, > > > > There are other needles that are not silicone coated, > > but I have found Helio's to be easiest for insertion > > and manipulation. > > > > Yes, the Acu- needles are pricey. I do not recall that > > they are pricier than Sierin's, though. I decided to > > ignore that factor with needles. > > > > Interesting, your experience with patients with > > tougher skin. I bet part of it is truly that the > > nervous system comes to know and be more receptive to > > the needles. > > > > Lynn > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 They are packaged in rows of five blister packs - 4 packs of 5 needles and one guide tube. Does that make sense? So the needles are actually in packs of five not 20. Chinese Medicine , anne.crowley wrote: > > If you don't use all the needles in a package, e.g. 20 per guide tube, how do you keep them sanitary if the whole pack is not used right away. > > Anne > > -- > Anne C. Crowley, L.Ac., M.Ac., Dipl.Ac. > > www.SouthernMDacupuncture.com > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > " Adam Schreiber " <schreib > > I use MAC needles and find them very comparable to Seirins (much > > cheaper, not sure if they are coated but I don't think so). Andrea, I > > order them from acu-market and they don't come in packaging like you > > described. I buy the box of 400 - they come in strips of 20 needles > > with one guide tube (they give you a few extra tubes in the box). > > > > > > > > Chinese Medicine , Andrea Beth > > Damsky <@> wrote: > > > > > > Thanks, Sean! Coincidentally, I just received a catalog from then > > last night! > > > > > > All best, > > > Andrea Beth > > > > > > Sean Doherty <sean@> wrote: Andrea Beth, > > > > > > Well, the HBW needles do have wound handles with the little > > perpendicular > > > loop on top, so not sure if they will make the cut with your > > criteria. They > > > come in boxes of 500 (5needles/tube x100). I am not sure if we can post > > > links to commercial sites, so I will send you the link directly. > > They may > > > send you a sample pack to try out if you ask them. I just contacted the > > > needle brand Z'ev mentioned (Kenshin) and they are sending me a > > sample pack > > > to try out. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > Sean > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > Chinese Medicine > > > Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of > > Andrea > > > Beth Damsky > > > Tuesday, February 26, 2008 6:48 PM > > > Chinese Medicine > > > Re: skin resistance/needlebrand > > > > > > > > > > > > Sean, > > > > > > I've not heard of HBW. Are they available in boxes of 1000? Where > > can I find > > > out more about them? > > > > > > > > > > > > Sean Doherty com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > I like HBW needles. No coating, very comfortable, super cheap. I mostly > > > use 36 guage. > > > > > > Sean > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > Traditional_ > > > Chinese_Medicine > > > [Traditional_ > > > Chinese_Medicine ] On Behalf Of J. Lynn > > > Detamore > > > Tuesday, February 26, 2008 1:10 PM > > > Traditional_ > > > Chinese_Medicine > > > RE: skin resistance > > > > > > Janis, > > > > > > There are other needles that are not silicone coated, > > > but I have found Helio's to be easiest for insertion > > > and manipulation. > > > > > > Yes, the Acu- needles are pricey. I do not recall that > > > they are pricier than Sierin's, though. I decided to > > > ignore that factor with needles. > > > > > > Interesting, your experience with patients with > > > tougher skin. I bet part of it is truly that the > > > nervous system comes to know and be more receptive to > > > the needles. > > > > > > Lynn > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2008 Report Share Posted March 5, 2008 Thanks, Adam: I am going to go back and follow this thread more closely. I use a lot of needles in a treatment and use Serins, so I am putting out the big bucks on needles. I like them because I heard they hurt less. I don't feel my needling technique is all that gentle, and I am trained in 5E. I use the 1/2 inch red needles, 1 inch red and 1 inch yellow, and vinco 5 needle packs for the ears, alot. I also use some 1 inch metal from serin for draining AE (Back Shu points) and other 5E (ID's ED's) clearing and draining treatments. I remember the silicon discussion earlier, and believe that is on the Serin. I would prefer not to have that, in case the patient is in some way allergic. Also, I would like the cost to go down, as in your MAC needles. One thing I do notice with the 5 needle packs is that I have packs that are not completely used at the end of the day. Part of this is my own attention on the treatment/and not paying enough attention to the needle pack available. I end of using these on myself or any willing family member. So Adam and Andrea, thanks for your explanation. I will check into some of these brands. I recently ordered some AcuGlides (when I ordered my Helio products) to compare them to Serin. Anne -- Anne C. Crowley, L.Ac., M.Ac., Dipl.Ac. www.SouthernMDacupuncture.com -------------- Original message ---------------------- " Adam Schreiber " <schreib > They are packaged in rows of five blister packs - 4 packs of 5 needles > and one guide tube. Does that make sense? So the needles are > actually in packs of five not 20. > > > Chinese Medicine , anne.crowley > wrote: > > > > If you don't use all the needles in a package, e.g. 20 per guide > tube, how do you keep them sanitary if the whole pack is not used > right away. > > > > Anne > > > > -- > > Anne C. Crowley, L.Ac., M.Ac., Dipl.Ac. > > > > www.SouthernMDacupuncture.com > > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > > " Adam Schreiber " <schreib > > > I use MAC needles and find them very comparable to Seirins (much > > > cheaper, not sure if they are coated but I don't think so). Andrea, I > > > order them from acu-market and they don't come in packaging like you > > > described. I buy the box of 400 - they come in strips of 20 needles > > > with one guide tube (they give you a few extra tubes in the box). > > > > > > > > > > > > Chinese Medicine , Andrea Beth > > > Damsky <@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Thanks, Sean! Coincidentally, I just received a catalog from then > > > last night! > > > > > > > > All best, > > > > Andrea Beth > > > > > > > > Sean Doherty <sean@> wrote: Andrea Beth, > > > > > > > > Well, the HBW needles do have wound handles with the little > > > perpendicular > > > > loop on top, so not sure if they will make the cut with your > > > criteria. They > > > > come in boxes of 500 (5needles/tube x100). I am not sure if we > can post > > > > links to commercial sites, so I will send you the link directly. > > > They may > > > > send you a sample pack to try out if you ask them. I just > contacted the > > > > needle brand Z'ev mentioned (Kenshin) and they are sending me a > > > sample pack > > > > to try out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > > > Sean > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > Chinese Medicine > > > > Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of > > > Andrea > > > > Beth Damsky > > > > Tuesday, February 26, 2008 6:48 PM > > > > Chinese Medicine > > > > Re: skin resistance/needlebrand > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sean, > > > > > > > > I've not heard of HBW. Are they available in boxes of 1000? Where > > > can I find > > > > out more about them? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sean Doherty com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I like HBW needles. No coating, very comfortable, super cheap. I > mostly > > > > use 36 guage. > > > > > > > > Sean > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > Traditional_ > > > > Chinese_Medicine > > > > [Traditional_ > > > > Chinese_Medicine ] On Behalf Of J. Lynn > > > > Detamore > > > > Tuesday, February 26, 2008 1:10 PM > > > > Traditional_ > > > > Chinese_Medicine > > > > RE: skin resistance > > > > > > > > Janis, > > > > > > > > There are other needles that are not silicone coated, > > > > but I have found Helio's to be easiest for insertion > > > > and manipulation. > > > > > > > > Yes, the Acu- needles are pricey. I do not recall that > > > > they are pricier than Sierin's, though. I decided to > > > > ignore that factor with needles. > > > > > > > > Interesting, your experience with patients with > > > > tougher skin. I bet part of it is truly that the > > > > nervous system comes to know and be more receptive to > > > > the needles. > > > > > > > > Lynn > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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