Guest guest Posted May 18, 2009 Report Share Posted May 18, 2009 I read this the other day and I have mixed emotions concerning this issue. I think that those two atcs you mentioned are meaningless when it comes to kids as the state seems to think they always know what is best for kids, regardless of what parents think or believe. This is what happens when a country goes socialist. Kids belong to the state, not the parents. Lori"I feel ashamed that so many of us cannot imagine a better way to do things than locking children up all day in cells instead of letting them grow up knowing their families, mingling with the world, assuming real obligations, striving to be independent and self-reliant and free." - John Taylor Gatto herbal remedies From: jarusso7Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 16:15:51 +0000{Herbal Remedies} forced chemo?! http://news./s/ap/ap_on_he_me/us_med_forced_chemo Does anyone have more info on this? I've been digging for a little bit here and I can't find anything with reliable information, just more speculation. What I want to know is why isn't this protected by the Native American Free Exercise of Religion Act 1993 (NAFERA) and the Religious Freedom Restoration Act 1993 (RFRA)? Do I have bad info about these two acts? Are they meaningless? Anella who is steadily gaining the wherewith all to get out of this bass ackwards country. Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail®. See how. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2009 Report Share Posted May 18, 2009 Oh...I forgot! I had also wondered when reading this why the parents didn't take this kid out of the country for some alternative care? This would have bypassed the state and the court system. Lori"I feel ashamed that so many of us cannot imagine a better way to do things than locking children up all day in cells instead of letting them grow up knowing their families, mingling with the world, assuming real obligations, striving to be independent and self-reliant and free." - John Taylor Gatto herbal remedies From: jarusso7Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 16:15:51 +0000{Herbal Remedies} forced chemo?! http://news./s/ap/ap_on_he_me/us_med_forced_chemo Does anyone have more info on this? I've been digging for a little bit here and I can't find anything with reliable information, just more speculation. What I want to know is why isn't this protected by the Native American Free Exercise of Religion Act 1993 (NAFERA) and the Religious Freedom Restoration Act 1993 (RFRA)? Do I have bad info about these two acts? Are they meaningless? Anella who is steadily gaining the wherewith all to get out of this bass ackwards country. Hotmail® has a new way to see what's up with your friends. Check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2009 Report Share Posted May 19, 2009 Lori...So true !...Mary O Lori Smith Monday, May 18, 2009 12:59 PM Bryan Schillington RE: {Herbal Remedies} forced chemo?! I read this the other day and I have mixed emotions concerning this issue. I think that those two atcs you mentioned are meaningless when it comes to kids as the state seems to think they always know what is best for kids, regardless of what parents think or believe. This is what happens when a country goes socialist. Kids belong to the state, not the parents. Lori"I feel ashamed that so many of us cannot imagine a better way to do things than locking children up all day in cells instead of letting them grow up knowing their families, mingling with the world, assuming real obligations, striving to be independent and self-reliant and free." - John Taylor Gatto herbal remedies From: jarusso7 (AT) comcast (DOT) netDate: Sat, 16 May 2009 16:15:51 +0000{Herbal Remedies} forced chemo?! http://news./s/ap/ap_on_he_me/us_med_forced_chemo Does anyone have more info on this? I've been digging for a little bit here and I can't find anything with reliable information, just more speculation. What I want to know is why isn't this protected by the Native American Free Exercise of Religion Act 1993 (NAFERA) and the Religious Freedom Restoration Act 1993 (RFRA)? Do I have bad info about these two acts? Are they meaningless? Anellawho is steadily gaining the wherewith all to get out of this bass ackwards country. Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail®. See how. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2009 Report Share Posted May 19, 2009 They did. But they made the mistake of telling the doctor they were going to do it. She took them to court to keep her patient and her income source. Ramona Quoting Lori Smith <homeschoolmom42: > > Oh...I forgot! I had also wondered when reading this why the parents > didn't take this kid out of the country for some alternative care? > This would have bypassed the state and the court system. > > > > Lori > > " I feel ashamed that so many of us cannot imagine a better way to do > things than locking children up all day in cells instead of letting > them grow up knowing their families, mingling with the world, > assuming real obligations, striving to be independent and > self-reliant and free. " - John Taylor Gatto > > > > herbal remedies > jarusso7 > Sat, 16 May 2009 16:15:51 +0000 > {Herbal Remedies} forced chemo?! > > > > http://news./s/ap/ap_on_he_me/us_med_forced_chemo > > > > Does anyone have more info on this? I've been digging for a little > bit here and I can't find anything with reliable information, just > more speculation. > > > > What I want to know is why isn't this protected by the Native > American Free Exercise of Religion Act 1993 (NAFERA) and the > Religious Freedom Restoration Act 1993 (RFRA)? > > Do I have bad info about these two acts? Are they meaningless? > > > > Anella > > who is steadily gaining the wherewith all to get out of this bass > ackwards country. > > > > > _______________ > Hotmail® has a new way to see what's up with your friends. > http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/WhatsNew?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_W\ hatsNew1_052009 " Live in faith, not fear. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2009 Report Share Posted May 19, 2009 Also not everyone has the kind of money it takes to just pick up and go to another country.... It's a very sad situation that the decision is just taken out of your hand as a parent in matters as important as this. But it is the wave of the future--as we become more and more powerless in making our own decisions. As far as enforced medications go---one article that passed by me lately was about medical research on RFID tagging medicines so it can be seen what and how much medication a person has in their system. Of course it was presented as making it easier for doctors and hospitals to know what medications you are on in order to avert mistakes--but it is a no brainer that it will also be used to make sure you are taking what is prescribed. It's not hard to see that it would play an important part in Obama's one size fits all medical plan... I sent it out on all my lists thinking people would be as alarmed as I was---but all it got was a big yawn. Now that truly does scare me.... Bea --- On Mon, 5/18/09, Ramona <ramona wrote: Ramona <ramonaRE: {Herbal Remedies} forced chemo?!herbal remedies Received: Monday, May 18, 2009, 6:39 PM They did. But they made the mistake of telling the doctor they were going to do it. She took them to court to keep her patient and her income source.RamonaQuoting Lori Smith <homeschoolmom42@ hotmail.com>:>> Oh...I forgot! I had also wondered when reading this why the parents > didn't take this kid out of the country for some alternative care? > This would have bypassed the state and the court system.>>>> Lori>> "I feel ashamed that so many of us cannot imagine a better way to do > things than locking children up all day in cells instead of letting > them grow up knowing their families, mingling with the world, > assuming real obligations, striving to be independent and > self-reliant and free." - John Taylor Gatto>>>>>>>>>>> herbal remedies> jarusso7 (AT) comcast (DOT) net> Sat, 16 May 2009 16:15:51 +0000> {Herbal Remedies} forced chemo?!>>>>>>>>>>> http://news. / s/ap/ap_on_ he_me/us_ med_forced_ chemo>>>> Does anyone have more info on this? I've been digging for a little > bit here and I can't find anything with reliable information, just > more speculation.>>>> What I want to know is why isn't this protected by the Native > American Free Exercise of Religion Act 1993 (NAFERA) and the > Religious Freedom Restoration Act 1993 (RFRA)?>> Do I have bad info about these two acts? Are they meaningless?>>>> Anella>> who is steadily gaining the wherewith all to get out of this bass > ackwards country.>>>>>>>>>>>> ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> Hotmail® has a new way to see what's up with your friends.> http://windowslive. com/Tutorial/ Hotmail/WhatsNew ?ocid=TXT_ TAGLM_WL_ HM_Tutorial_ WhatsNew1_ 052009"Live in faith, not fear." Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2009 Report Share Posted May 19, 2009 Bea~ Would you please send me this list if you still have it? I promise I won't yawn and I will send it out on my list. The apathy of most people is alarming and scary! Thanks!!! Lori"I feel ashamed that so many of us cannot imagine a better way to do things than locking children up all day in cells instead of letting them grow up knowing their families, mingling with the world, assuming real obligations, striving to be independent and self-reliant and free." - John Taylor Gatto herbal remedies From: beabernhausenDate: Mon, 18 May 2009 19:13:56 -0700RE: {Herbal Remedies} forced chemo?! Also not everyone has the kind of money it takes to just pick up and go to another country.... It's a very sad situation that the decision is just taken out of your hand as a parent in matters as important as this. But it is the wave of the future--as we become more and more powerless in making our own decisions. As far as enforced medications go---one article that passed by me lately was about medical research on RFID tagging medicines so it can be seen what and how much medication a person has in their system. Of course it was presented as making it easier for doctors and hospitals to know what medications you are on in order to avert mistakes--but it is a no brainer that it will also be used to make sure you are taking what is prescribed. It's not hard to see that it would play an important part in Obama's one size fits all medical plan... I sent it out on all my lists thinking people would be as alarmed as I was---but all it got was a big yawn. Now that truly does scare me.... Bea --- On Mon, 5/18/09, Ramona <ramona (AT) rebarchik (DOT) org> wrote: Ramona <ramona (AT) rebarchik (DOT) org>RE: {Herbal Remedies} forced chemo?!herbal remedies Received: Monday, May 18, 2009, 6:39 PM They did. But they made the mistake of telling the doctor they were going to do it. She took them to court to keep her patient and her income source.RamonaQuoting Lori Smith <homeschoolmom42@ hotmail.com>:>> Oh...I forgot! I had also wondered when reading this why the parents > didn't take this kid out of the country for some alternative care? > This would have bypassed the state and the court system.>>>> Lori>> "I feel ashamed that so many of us cannot imagine a better way to do > things than locking children up all day in cells instead of letting > them grow up knowing their families, mingling with the world, > assuming real obligations, striving to be independent and > self-reliant and free." - John Taylor Gatto>>>>>>>>>>> herbal remedies> jarusso7 (AT) comcast (DOT) net> Sat, 16 May 2009 16:15:51 +0000> {Herbal Remedies} forced chemo?!>>>>>>>>>>> http://news. / s/ap/ap_on_ he_me/us_ med_forced_ chemo>>>> Does anyone have more info on this? I've been digging for a little > bit here and I can't find anything with reliable information, just > more speculation.>>>> What I want to know is why isn't this protected by the Native > American Free Exercise of Religion Act 1993 (NAFERA) and the > Religious Freedom Restoration Act 1993 (RFRA)?>> Do I have bad info about these two acts? Are they meaningless?>>>> Anella>> who is steadily gaining the wherewith all to get out of this bass > ackwards country.>>>>>>>>>>>> ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> Hotmail® has a new way to see what's up with your friends.> http://windowslive. com/Tutorial/ Hotmail/WhatsNew ?ocid=TXT_ TAGLM_WL_ HM_Tutorial_ WhatsNew1_ 052009"Live in faith, not fear." Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail®. See how. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2009 Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 Well it appears that there is now a arrest warrant out for the boy's Mother for missing the court date. She should not have missed the court date. THat is why there is an arrest warrant out nationwide. She should not have even started the chemo if they already had alternative plans to start herbal treatment. The family should have not mentioned there plans to anyone. Now they are in trouble. http://news./s/ap/20090519/ap_on_re_us/us_forced_chemo Robert --- On Mon, 5/18/09, Bea Bernhausen <beabernhausen wrote: Bea Bernhausen <beabernhausenRE: {Herbal Remedies} forced chemo?!herbal remedies Date: Monday, May 18, 2009, 9:13 PM Also not everyone has the kind of money it takes to just pick up and go to another country.... It's a very sad situation that the decision is just taken out of your hand as a parent in matters as important as this. But it is the wave of the future--as we become more and more powerless in making our own decisions. As far as enforced medications go---one article that passed by me lately was about medical research on RFID tagging medicines so it can be seen what and how much medication a person has in their system. Of course it was presented as making it easier for doctors and hospitals to know what medications you are on in order to avert mistakes--but it is a no brainer that it will also be used to make sure you are taking what is prescribed. It's not hard to see that it would play an important part in Obama's one size fits all medical plan... I sent it out on all my lists thinking people would be as alarmed as I was---but all it got was a big yawn. Now that truly does scare me.... Bea --- On Mon, 5/18/09, Ramona <ramona wrote: Ramona <ramonaRE: {Herbal Remedies} forced chemo?!herbal remedies Received: Monday, May 18, 2009, 6:39 PM They did. But they made the mistake of telling the doctor they were going to do it. She took them to court to keep her patient and her income source.RamonaQuoting Lori Smith <homeschoolmom42@ hotmail.com>:>> Oh...I forgot! I had also wondered when reading this why the parents > didn't take this kid out of the country for some alternative care? > This would have bypassed the state and the court system.>>>> Lori>> "I feel ashamed that so many of us cannot imagine a better way to do > things than locking children up all day in cells instead of letting > them grow up knowing their families, mingling with the world, > assuming real obligations, striving to be independent and > self-reliant and free." - John Taylor Gatto>>>>>>>>>>> herbal remedies> jarusso7 (AT) comcast (DOT) net> Sat, 16 May 2009 16:15:51 +0000> {Herbal Remedies} forced chemo?!>>>>>>>>>>> http://news. / s/ap/ap_on_ he_me/us_ med_forced_ chemo>>>> Does anyone have more info on this? I've been digging for a little > bit here and I can't find anything with reliable information, just > more speculation.>>>> What I want to know is why isn't this protected by the Native > American Free Exercise of Religion Act 1993 (NAFERA) and the > Religious Freedom Restoration Act 1993 (RFRA)?>> Do I have bad info about these two acts? Are they meaningless?>>>> Anella>> who is steadily gaining the wherewith all to get out of this bass > ackwards country.>>>>>>>>>>>> ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> Hotmail® has a new way to see what's up with your friends.> http://windowslive. com/Tutorial/ Hotmail/WhatsNew ?ocid=TXT_ TAGLM_WL_ HM_Tutorial_ WhatsNew1_ 052009"Live in faith, not fear." Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2009 Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 How sad that we have to do desperate things in order to keep our kids from being poisoned by chemo. Just sickening to me. You are so right, Robert. You cannot tell anyone that you intend to treat a child with alternative therapies because you run the risk of losing that child. There are many cases out there today. Do any of you remember Billy Best from Pembroke, MA who ran away to avoid chemo, and he was found in Texas? They tried to take him away from his parents too, but the courts didn't get involved. Billy did go to Canada and used 714 X, a sulphur compound and vitamins by Shaklee, and he used Essiac tea to cure his cancer in 1995, which is still gone today. Here is his story: http://www.billybest.net/BillysStory.htm There is a lot more to the story where Dana Farber is concerned, proving that 714X works, but they won't release the study they did on it. Diane A VETERANWhether on active duty, retired, national guard or reserve, is someone who, at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made payable to "The United States of America, " for an amount of "up to and including my life."That is honor, and there are way too many people in this country who no longer understand it.Author unknown. - Robert Nodge herbal remedies Tuesday, May 19, 2009 7:27 PM RE: {Herbal Remedies} forced chemo?! Well it appears that there is now a arrest warrant out for the boy's Mother for missing the court date. She should not have missed the court date. THat is why there is an arrest warrant out nationwide. She should not have even started the chemo if they already had alternative plans to start herbal treatment. The family should have not mentioned there plans to anyone. Now they are in trouble. http://news./s/ap/20090519/ap_on_re_us/us_forced_chemo Robert --- On Mon, 5/18/09, Bea Bernhausen <beabernhausen wrote: Bea Bernhausen <beabernhausenRE: {Herbal Remedies} forced chemo?!herbal remedies Date: Monday, May 18, 2009, 9:13 PM Also not everyone has the kind of money it takes to just pick up and go to another country.... It's a very sad situation that the decision is just taken out of your hand as a parent in matters as important as this. But it is the wave of the future--as we become more and more powerless in making our own decisions. As far as enforced medications go---one article that passed by me lately was about medical research on RFID tagging medicines so it can be seen what and how much medication a person has in their system. Of course it was presented as making it easier for doctors and hospitals to know what medications you are on in order to avert mistakes--but it is a no brainer that it will also be used to make sure you are taking what is prescribed. It's not hard to see that it would play an important part in Obama's one size fits all medical plan... I sent it out on all my lists thinking people would be as alarmed as I was---but all it got was a big yawn. Now that truly does scare me.... Bea --- On Mon, 5/18/09, Ramona <ramona wrote: Ramona <ramonaRE: {Herbal Remedies} forced chemo?!herbal remedies Received: Monday, May 18, 2009, 6:39 PM They did. But they made the mistake of telling the doctor they were going to do it. She took them to court to keep her patient and her income source.RamonaQuoting Lori Smith <homeschoolmom42@ hotmail.com>:>> Oh...I forgot! I had also wondered when reading this why the parents > didn't take this kid out of the country for some alternative care? > This would have bypassed the state and the court system.>>>> Lori>> "I feel ashamed that so many of us cannot imagine a better way to do > things than locking children up all day in cells instead of letting > them grow up knowing their families, mingling with the world, > assuming real obligations, striving to be independent and > self-reliant and free." - John Taylor Gatto>>>>>>>>>>> herbal remedies> jarusso7 (AT) comcast (DOT) net> Sat, 16 May 2009 16:15:51 +0000> {Herbal Remedies} forced chemo?!>>>>>>>>>>> http://news. / s/ap/ap_on_ he_me/us_ med_forced_ chemo>>>> Does anyone have more info on this? I've been digging for a little > bit here and I can't find anything with reliable information, just > more speculation.>>>> What I want to know is why isn't this protected by the Native > American Free Exercise of Religion Act 1993 (NAFERA) and the > Religious Freedom Restoration Act 1993 (RFRA)?>> Do I have bad info about these two acts? Are they meaningless?>>>> Anella>> who is steadily gaining the wherewith all to get out of this bass > ackwards country.>>>>>>>>>>>> ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> Hotmail® has a new way to see what's up with your friends.> http://windowslive. com/Tutorial/ Hotmail/WhatsNew ?ocid=TXT_ TAGLM_WL_ HM_Tutorial_ WhatsNew1_ 052009"Live in faith, not fear." Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.34/2122 - Release 05/19/09 06:21:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 I have read alot but have never posted. I am so interested in what everyone posts on here. This article you are talking about struck me the same way. I ran across it on Facebook. There were so many comments where people were saying they thought it was an awesome idea. I was thinking, are these people crazy? It is yet another intrusion of privacy among other things I am sure. In no way shape or form would I want this to pass. I understand where it could be convenient, but people need to stop and think what this all entails. Um...Mark of the Beast....has nobody else there heard of that?? SCARY!! ~Tonya~ --- On Mon, 5/18/09, Bea Bernhausen <beabernhausen wrote: Bea Bernhausen <beabernhausenRE: {Herbal Remedies} forced chemo?!herbal remedies Date: Monday, May 18, 2009, 9:13 PM Also not everyone has the kind of money it takes to just pick up and go to another country.... It's a very sad situation that the decision is just taken out of your hand as a parent in matters as important as this. But it is the wave of the future--as we become more and more powerless in making our own decisions. As far as enforced medications go---one article that passed by me lately was about medical research on RFID tagging medicines so it can be seen what and how much medication a person has in their system. Of course it was presented as making it easier for doctors and hospitals to know what medications you are on in order to avert mistakes--but it is a no brainer that it will also be used to make sure you are taking what is prescribed. It's not hard to see that it would play an important part in Obama's one size fits all medical plan... I sent it out on all my lists thinking people would be as alarmed as I was---but all it got was a big yawn. Now that truly does scare me.... Bea --- On Mon, 5/18/09, Ramona <ramona (AT) rebarchik (DOT) org> wrote: Ramona <ramona (AT) rebarchik (DOT) org>RE: {Herbal Remedies} forced chemo?!herbal remediesReceived: Monday, May 18, 2009, 6:39 PM They did. But they made the mistake of telling the doctor they were going to do it. She took them to court to keep her patient and her income source.RamonaQuoting Lori Smith <homeschoolmom42@ hotmail.com>:>> Oh...I forgot! I had also wondered when reading this why the parents > didn't take this kid out of the country for some alternative care? > This would have bypassed the state and the court system.>>>> Lori>> "I feel ashamed that so many of us cannot imagine a better way to do > things than locking children up all day in cells instead of letting > them grow up knowing their families, mingling with the world, > assuming real obligations, striving to be independent and > self-reliant and free." - John Taylor Gatto>>>>>>>>>>> herbal remedies> jarusso7 (AT) comcast (DOT) net> Sat, 16 May 2009 16:15:51 +0000> {Herbal Remedies} forced chemo?!>>>>>>>>>>> http://news. / s/ap/ap_on_ he_me/us_ med_forced_ chemo>>>> Does anyone have more info on this? I've been digging for a little > bit here and I can't find anything with reliable information, just > more speculation.>>>> What I want to know is why isn't this protected by the Native > American Free Exercise of Religion Act 1993 (NAFERA) and the > Religious Freedom Restoration Act 1993 (RFRA)?>> Do I have bad info about these two acts? Are they meaningless?>>>> Anella>> who is steadily gaining the wherewith all to get out of this bass > ackwards country.>>>>>>>>>>>> ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> Hotmail® has a new way to see what's up with your friends.> http://windowslive. com/Tutorial/ Hotmail/WhatsNew ?ocid=TXT_ TAGLM_WL_ HM_Tutorial_ WhatsNew1_ 052009"Live in faith, not fear." Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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