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> I have been asked by the local Tinnitus Support Group (here in Wellington,

> New Zealand) to give a talk on the approach of Chinese medicine to the

> treatment of tinnitus.

> Can anyone give me some background on research in this area, and also of

> prognosis, success of Tx etc.

> They seemed quite interested in trials that are being done in the US on the

> use of gingko - any comments or asssitance would be appreciated.

> Thanks,

> Robin Westenra

 

I find tinnitus very difficult to treat and most with whom I have

talked concur. If it is due to damage from chronic loud noise exposure

(rock music, industrial machinery),the prognosis is very poor. In

young and robust with liver yang or heat, results are often quick and

good. In elderly with kidney xu, results are poor because by the time

we see them, their kidneys are usually pretty shot. But if we get them

at the outset of kidney xu tinnitus, there is some hope.

 

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Todd wrote

 

.. " In elderly with kidney xu, results are poor because by the time

we see them, their kidneys are usually pretty shot. But if we get them

at the outset of kidney xu tinnitus, there is some hope. "

 

How have other people fared in treating tinnitus.The yang rising or phlegm damp

types if aged around 40 -50 respond well. I have treated a few congenital kid xu

type whose parents went deaf eg aged 60 and I also found I got nowhere treating

them when they came to me with the

tinitus starting at age 50 .

 

Was it someone on this list ....Peter Borten .....who told me that shan yu rou

is good for kidney xu tinnitus ...........SYR is the ginseng of the kidney.

 

Heiko

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Well put, my experience too. I've also had two cases over the years where

impact to the area around the ear has led to tinnitus and each responded

quite well with moderate speed.

 

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Re: Re: Tinnitus

Was it someone on this list ....Peter Borten .....who told me that shan yu

rou is good for kidney xu tinnitus ...........SYR is the ginseng of the

kidney.

 

 

 

Heiko,

Do you have the latin for shan yu rou? What is it?

Thanks!

Stephen

 

 

 

 

 

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Shan yu rou or sometimes called shan zhu yu

 

ie fructus corni officiniallis

 

In the astringent chapter in Bensky

 

Heiko

 

Stephen Morrissey wrote:

 

>

> Heiko Lade [heiko]

> Re: Re: Tinnitus

> Was it someone on this list ....Peter Borten .....who told me that shan yu

> rou is good for kidney xu tinnitus ...........SYR is the ginseng of the

> kidney.

>

> Heiko,

> Do you have the latin for shan yu rou? What is it?

> Thanks!

> Stephen

>

> Chinese Herbal Medicine, a voluntary organization of licensed healthcare

> practitioners, matriculated students and postgraduate academics specializing

> in Chinese Herbal Medicine, provides a variety of professional services,

> including board approved online continuing education.

>

>

>

>

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  • 5 years later...

Daniel:

 

Wiseman and Ye distinguish between " repletion patterns

attributed to ascendant counterflow of liver fire or

phlegm fire, and vacuity patterns attributed to

depletion of kidney yin or center qi fall.

 

" In repletion patterns, tinnitus is of rapid onset and

characterized by the sound of frogs or the tide, while

vacuity patterns have the sound of cicadas, flutes or

pipes.

 

" Liver fire tinnitus is attended by headache, red

eyes,dry mouth with bitter taste, vexation and

agitation, irascibility, constipation, yellow tongue

fur and rapid, string-like pulse.

 

" Kidney vacuity tinnitus, observed in vacuity patients

and the elderly, takes the form of a fine, thread-like

sound that occurs frequently, accompanied by limp,

aching lumbus and knees, enuresis, seminal emission

and a fine, weak pulse that is forceless at the cubit

(chi). "

 

Hope that helps,

 

Kind regards, Jack

 

 

 

--- Daniel <solothurner wrote:

 

> Hello all,

>

> 51, male, heavy smoker, 10-15 cups of coffee

> sweetened with artificial

> sugar, no alcohol (recovering alcoholic), regular

> exercise, BP normal,

> Cholesterol normal

>

> Tinnitus, both ears, no previous ear trauma, sudden

> onset, gradual

> increase, sporadic at first, steady for 8 months,

> patient is in

> Switzerland

>

> Frequency and level: 5800 Hz, 10-15 decibels

> estimated by Swiss

> ear/nose/throat surgeon

>

> My thoughts on nutritional/functional medicine:

>

> Any nutrient deficiency/excess that comes to mind

> such as vitamin B-12

> deficiency possibly

> causing myelin-deficient nerve fibers? Could the

> artificial

> sweetener/caffeine/nicotine

> combo/excess cause enough of a deficiency/excess

> (magnesium/calcium)

> that would affect auditory nerve pathways?

>

> My thoughts on TCM:

>

> I'm not sure if it is due to hyperactive Liver and

> Gallbladder Fire

> since the pt doesn't drink any more (6 years) and he

> reports regular

> bowel movements and sleep patterns. (Long Dan Xie

> Gan Tang would come

> to mind.)

>

> Or is it due to insufficient Kidney Yin since

> alcohol/smoking/coffee

> habits may contribute to quickened aging processes

> and depleted Kidney

> Yin? (Modified Liu Wei Di Huang Wan comes to mind.)

>

>

> Any thoughts are appreciated,

>

> Daniel C. Luthi

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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It's difficult to say without a tongue and pulse. But with that much damp and

heat being

generated with the smoking and coffee I'd look into ... yes... damp heat.

doug

 

, " Daniel " <solothurner wrote:

>

> Hello all,

>

> 51, male, heavy smoker, 10-15 cups of coffee sweetened with artificial

> sugar, no alcohol (recovering alcoholic), regular exercise, BP normal,

> Cholesterol normal

>

> Tinnitus, both ears, no previous ear trauma, sudden onset, gradual

> increase, sporadic at first, steady for 8 months, patient is in

> Switzerland

>

> Frequency and level: 5800 Hz, 10-15 decibels estimated by Swiss

> ear/nose/throat surgeon

>

> My thoughts on nutritional/functional medicine:

>

> Any nutrient deficiency/excess that comes to mind such as vitamin B-12

> deficiency possibly

> causing myelin-deficient nerve fibers? Could the artificial

> sweetener/caffeine/nicotine

> combo/excess cause enough of a deficiency/excess (magnesium/calcium)

> that would affect auditory nerve pathways?

>

> My thoughts on TCM:

>

> I'm not sure if it is due to hyperactive Liver and Gallbladder Fire

> since the pt doesn't drink any more (6 years) and he reports regular

> bowel movements and sleep patterns. (Long Dan Xie Gan Tang would come

> to mind.)

>

> Or is it due to insufficient Kidney Yin since alcohol/smoking/coffee

> habits may contribute to quickened aging processes and depleted Kidney

> Yin? (Modified Liu Wei Di Huang Wan comes to mind.)

>

>

> Any thoughts are appreciated,

>

> Daniel C. Luthi

>

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I've had a number of patients who have been able to eliminate tinnitus by

eliminating the fake sugar. I would definately try this first. How long has he

had the problem? If it has been more than a year my experience and that of

others I've talked to, including the texts, say it is very difficult.

 

Good luck,

Thomas

 

 

 

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The history of alcoholism also made me think of dampheat, even if he's

no longer drinking.

 

And, what is his tongue/pulse?

 

Thanks for sharing your case.

 

Regards,

 

Sarah

 

Sarah E. Rivkin, MS, LAc, Dipl. OM

www.slopeacupuncture.com

 

, " "

wrote:

>

> It's difficult to say without a tongue and pulse. But with that much

damp and heat being

> generated with the smoking and coffee I'd look into ... yes... damp

heat.

> doug

>

> , " Daniel " <solothurner@>

wrote:

> >

> > Hello all,

> >

> > 51, male, heavy smoker, 10-15 cups of coffee sweetened with artificial

> > sugar, no alcohol (recovering alcoholic), regular exercise, BP normal,

> > Cholesterol normal

> >

> > Tinnitus, both ears, no previous ear trauma, sudden onset, gradual

> > increase, sporadic at first, steady for 8 months, patient is in

> > Switzerland

> >

> > Frequency and level: 5800 Hz, 10-15 decibels estimated by Swiss

> > ear/nose/throat surgeon

> >

> > My thoughts on nutritional/functional medicine:

> >

> > Any nutrient deficiency/excess that comes to mind such as vitamin B-12

> > deficiency possibly

> > causing myelin-deficient nerve fibers? Could the artificial

> > sweetener/caffeine/nicotine

> > combo/excess cause enough of a deficiency/excess (magnesium/calcium)

> > that would affect auditory nerve pathways?

> >

> > My thoughts on TCM:

> >

> > I'm not sure if it is due to hyperactive Liver and Gallbladder Fire

> > since the pt doesn't drink any more (6 years) and he reports regular

> > bowel movements and sleep patterns. (Long Dan Xie Gan Tang would come

> > to mind.)

> >

> > Or is it due to insufficient Kidney Yin since alcohol/smoking/coffee

> > habits may contribute to quickened aging processes and depleted Kidney

> > Yin? (Modified Liu Wei Di Huang Wan comes to mind.)

> >

> >

> > Any thoughts are appreciated,

> >

> > Daniel C. Luthi

> >

>

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Doug, Jack, Sarah, and Thomas,

 

Thanks for your invaluable thoughts! I will try to persuade him to

reduce his coffee/smoke/artificial sugar intake with the hope that a

reduction of the intensity (tinnitus) may inspire a more

moderate/health-promoting lifestyle. Will let you know of the outcome

in a few months.

 

Many thanks,

 

Daniel

 

 

 

, " "

wrote:

>

> It's difficult to say without a tongue and pulse. But with that much

damp and heat being

> generated with the smoking and coffee I'd look into ... yes... damp

heat.

> doug

>

> , " Daniel " <solothurner@>

wrote:

> >

> > Hello all,

> >

> > 51, male, heavy smoker, 10-15 cups of coffee sweetened with artificial

> > sugar, no alcohol (recovering alcoholic), regular exercise, BP normal,

> > Cholesterol normal

> >

> > Tinnitus, both ears, no previous ear trauma, sudden onset, gradual

> > increase, sporadic at first, steady for 8 months, patient is in

> > Switzerland

> >

> > Frequency and level: 5800 Hz, 10-15 decibels estimated by Swiss

> > ear/nose/throat surgeon

> >

> > My thoughts on nutritional/functional medicine:

> >

> > Any nutrient deficiency/excess that comes to mind such as vitamin B-12

> > deficiency possibly

> > causing myelin-deficient nerve fibers? Could the artificial

> > sweetener/caffeine/nicotine

> > combo/excess cause enough of a deficiency/excess (magnesium/calcium)

> > that would affect auditory nerve pathways?

> >

> > My thoughts on TCM:

> >

> > I'm not sure if it is due to hyperactive Liver and Gallbladder Fire

> > since the pt doesn't drink any more (6 years) and he reports regular

> > bowel movements and sleep patterns. (Long Dan Xie Gan Tang would come

> > to mind.)

> >

> > Or is it due to insufficient Kidney Yin since alcohol/smoking/coffee

> > habits may contribute to quickened aging processes and depleted Kidney

> > Yin? (Modified Liu Wei Di Huang Wan comes to mind.)

> >

> >

> > Any thoughts are appreciated,

> >

> > Daniel C. Luthi

> >

>

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Possibly relaxation therapy can help you.

 

Ole

 

 

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mecb52000

Sunday, April 12, 2009 12:00 AM

tinnitus

 

 

I need help with tinnitus I would appreciate any suggestions.

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I read somewhere a while back that it might be connected with GMOs

consumption.

Maybe you'd want to eat organic [or whatever declares " no-GMOs " on

the package] for a while, just to see if it makes a difference?

Good luck to you,

Viviane

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I would higly recommend " ginko biloba "

A friends mother has this problem and it helps her immensley...she is taking a

reasonably high dose.

" Google " ginko biloba and read about all of it's properties.

I hope this helps you ;-)

Susan

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Niacin works

Gave it to a guy 25 years ago

got rid of his tinnitus

forget the size,but was standard and is cited as a cure

 

, " mecb52000 " <mecb52000 wrote:

>

> I need help with tinnitus I would appreciate any suggestions.

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, " Ben " <banoyes2 wrote:

>

Thanks for your help

 

> Niacin works

> Gave it to a guy 25 years ago

> got rid of his tinnitus

> forget the size,but was standard and is cited as a cure

>

> , " mecb52000 " <mecb52000@> wrote:

> >

> > I need help with tinnitus I would appreciate any suggestions.

> >

>

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Several years ago my brother used some niacin. It was supposed to dissolve blood clots. It did, it dislodged one that ended up in his eye and he lost vision in that eye for a couple of day. It scared the heck out of him. I quarter the tablets when I use it and still get that annoying heat rush on the back of my head and neck.

 

Harvey

 

 

-

mecb52000

Monday, April 13, 2009 9:57 AM

Re: tinnitus

 

 

, "Ben" <banoyes2 wrote:>Thanks for your help> Niacin works> Gave it to a guy 25 years ago> got rid of his tinnitus> forget the size,but was standard and is cited as a cure> > , "mecb52000" <mecb52000@> wrote:> >> > I need help with tinnitus I would appreciate any suggestions.> >>

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Any advice for tinnitus? My husband has had this for years and its getting

worse. he has researched it, asked a chiropractor, doctor, dentist, nobody has

been able to give him a solution. They all just tell him, " that's a tough

problem to cure " . Is there anything he can do to help this problem?

 

thanks in advance for any input. Cathy

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Hi Cathy - Years ago I got a very painful infection in both ears. The

doctor said the infection would pass, which it did. However, I was left

with an ongoing intermittent tinnitus problem. I can share with you an

accidental method I use that surprisingly keeps the tinnitus at bay.

After the daily shower I get a clean, dry handkerchief. Then

scrupulously dry inside (as deeply as possible) both ears. Completely

removing all signs of moisture from the inner and outer ears.

 

The question is...Does a moist environment promote tinnitus? I am not

sure. I do know that as long as I continue doing the above daily routine

tinnitus is not a problem for me. If I do not follow this method

scrupulously the symptoms of tinnitus return. Hope this helps.

 

Kind regards

 

Carlene

 

 

 

 

herbal remedies , " cathymarkowich " <cathy112

wrote:

>

> Any advice for tinnitus? My husband has had this for years and its

getting worse. he has researched it, asked a chiropractor, doctor,

dentist, nobody has been able to give him a solution. They all just tell

him, " that's a tough problem to cure " . Is there anything he can do to

help this problem?

>

> thanks in advance for any input. Cathy

>

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I've read many years ago that one cause of tinnitus is heavy metals. Last

Monday, i had iv chelation, and my tinnitus disappeared. But now after drinking

colloidal silver, it is back again, but in milder form. yes, i also dry as much

as possible the inner ears after baths.

 

Melly

 

herbal remedies , " Carlene " <carlene.grimshaw wrote:

>

>

> Hi Cathy - Years ago I got a very painful infection in both ears. The

> doctor said the infection would pass, which it did. However, I was left

> with an ongoing intermittent tinnitus problem. I can share with you an

> accidental method I use that surprisingly keeps the tinnitus at bay.

> After the daily shower I get a clean, dry handkerchief. Then

> scrupulously dry inside (as deeply as possible) both ears. Completely

> removing all signs of moisture from the inner and outer ears.

>

> The question is...Does a moist environment promote tinnitus? I am >

>

>

>

>

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Acupuncture. There are some good Chinese herbal formulas. This problem is

probably due to yin deficiency unable to restrain yang, with heat rising.

Hard to say the exact pattern without examining him.

From a dietary standpoint, go with the basics, walnuts, black rice, black

sesame, black chicken, black beans, blackberries, raspberries, red grapes,

royal jelly, shitake, beets, kidneys, liver, stuff like that.\

 

 

 

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" cathymarkowich " <cathy112

<herbal remedies >

Sunday, February 14, 2010 5:12 PM

{Herbal Remedies} Tinnitus

 

 

> Any advice for tinnitus? My husband has had this for years and its getting

> worse. he has researched it, asked a chiropractor, doctor, dentist, nobody

> has been able to give him a solution. They all just tell him, " that's a

> tough problem to cure " . Is there anything he can do to help this problem?

>

> thanks in advance for any input. Cathy

>

>

>

> ---

>

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Dear Cathy,

 

Best is my Ear Formula. It is a simple Formula of Garlic, Mullein and

DMSO in a base of Olive Oil.

 

Of course this works best if he does some cleansing as well. Tinnitus

is usually caused by too much of the wrong kind of Calcium floating

around in the body developing deposits near or on the ear drum. Making

sure he's eating an alkaline diet is essential if you want to handle

this permanently.

 

Remember, you have to go to the cause of the problem and if you don't

even Herbals can fail.

 

In Knowledge, Health & Freedom,

 

Doc

 

On 2/14/2010 8:12 PM, cathymarkowich wrote:

 

 

Any advice for tinnitus? My husband has had this for years and its

getting worse. he has researched it, asked a chiropractor, doctor,

dentist, nobody has been able to give him a solution. They all just

tell him, "that's a tough problem to cure". Is there anything he can do

to help this problem?

 

thanks in advance for any input. Cathy

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Would this be the same advice for meniere's disease?  Would you recommend anything additional?On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 4:27 PM, Doc <Doc wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Cathy,

 

Best is my Ear Formula.  It is a simple Formula of Garlic, Mullein and

DMSO in a base of Olive Oil.

 

Of course this works best if he does some cleansing as well.  Tinnitus

is usually caused by too much of the wrong kind of Calcium floating

around in the body developing deposits near or on the ear drum.  Making

sure he's eating an alkaline diet is essential if you want to handle

this permanently. 

 

Remember, you have to go to the cause of the problem and if you don't

even Herbals can fail.

 

In Knowledge, Health & Freedom,

 

Doc

 

On 2/14/2010 8:12 PM, cathymarkowich wrote:

 

 

Any advice for tinnitus? My husband has had this for years and its

getting worse. he has researched it, asked a chiropractor, doctor,

dentist, nobody has been able to give him a solution. They all just

tell him, " that's a tough problem to cure " . Is there anything he can do

to help this problem?

 

thanks in advance for any input. Cathy

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The Organic Solutions "Ear

Formula" can also help with this to the point of getting rid of it

altogether. A lot of people try Hydrogen Peroxide, but I've never

heard of this bringing permanent relief, and it can sometimes

contribute to Fungus in the Ear. If you have a weird smell coming from

the ear than this is most likely the problem.

 

Extra DMSO added to the Ear Formula can also help, and I'd definitely

add Total Tonic for an internal approach.

 

If the fungus in the ear is a problem you may wish to add Black Walnut

Hull Tincture to the regimen as well by alternating it with the Ear

Formula during the day.

 

The rest is diet. Those who are overweight have more difficulty

getting rid of tinnitus than those who are thin. Extra Garlic added to

the diet is also essential.

 

Heavy Metals ARE a "cause" of tinnitus, but Calcium deposits in the

area can also contribute to the condition as well. The probable #1

Cause is "Acidosis" brought about by too many dairy products being

consumed such as cheeses and butter added to other Acid Ash producing

foods. Too much meat would contribute to this, and on and on. You've

got to get your body's pH back into an normal range.

 

In Knowledge, Health, & Freedom,

 

Doc

 

On 2/17/2010 9:06 AM, tita_mel wrote:

 

 

I've read many years ago that one cause of tinnitus is heavy

metals. Last Monday, i had iv chelation, and my tinnitus disappeared.

But now after drinking colloidal silver, it is back again, but in

milder form. yes, i also dry as much as possible the inner ears after

baths.

 

Melly

 

herbal remedies ,

"Carlene" <carlene.grimshaw wrote:

>

>

> Hi Cathy - Years ago I got a very painful infection in both ears.

The

> doctor said the infection would pass, which it did. However, I was

left

> with an ongoing intermittent tinnitus problem. I can share with

you an

> accidental method I use that surprisingly keeps the tinnitus at

bay.

> After the daily shower I get a clean, dry handkerchief. Then

> scrupulously dry inside (as deeply as possible) both ears.

Completely

> removing all signs of moisture from the inner and outer ears.

>

> The question is...Does a moist environment promote tinnitus? I am

>

>

>

>

>

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Dear Carlene,

What you write below makes perfect sense and goes along with my earlier

post having to do with fungus in the ears. If there's too much

moisture inside the ear canal, fungus will develop and contribute to

the problem. Using my Black Walnut Hull Tincture on a cotton swab will

ensure that all moisture is removed, and will knock off any existing

fungus.

Best,

Doc

PS. All of my Formulae are in the Files if you wish to make your own.

 

 

On 2/17/2010 3:23 PM, Doc Shillington wrote:

 

 

-------

 

 

 

 

{Herbal Remedies} Re: Tinnitus

 

 

 

Tue, 16 Feb 2010 00:31:46 +0000

 

 

 

Carlene <carlene.grimshaw

 

 

 

herbal remedies

 

 

 

herbal remedies

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi Cathy - Years ago I got a very painful infection in both ears. The

doctor said the infection would pass, which it did. However, I was left

with an ongoing intermittent tinnitus problem. I can share with you an

accidental method I use that surprisingly keeps the tinnitus at bay.

After the daily shower I get a clean, dry handkerchief. Then

scrupulously dry inside (as deeply as possible) both ears. Completely

removing all signs of moisture from the inner and outer ears.

 

The question is...Does a moist environment promote tinnitus? I am not

sure. I do know that as long as I continue doing the above daily routine

tinnitus is not a problem for me. If I do not follow this method

scrupulously the symptoms of tinnitus return. Hope this helps.

 

Kind regards

 

Carlene

 

herbal remedies ,

"cathymarkowich"

<cathy112

wrote:

>

> Any advice for tinnitus? My husband has had this for years and its

getting worse. he has researched it, asked a chiropractor, doctor,

dentist, nobody has been able to give him a solution. They all just tell

him, "that's a tough problem to cure". Is there anything he can do to

help this problem?

>

> thanks in advance for any input. Cathy

>

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