Guest guest Posted February 2, 2009 Report Share Posted February 2, 2009 the following came to me included in a Diabetes newsletter...... passing along fyi Clare in Tasmania Vitamin D testing has been in the news lately. But the mainstream press covered only the bad news. You would have to read the medical press to learn about better choices.The country's largest medical laboratory, Quest Diagnostics, just sent out thousands of letter to doctors who ordered Vitamin D tests for their patients. The letters say that results of their Vitamin D tests during the past two years are "questionable." Quest's screw up could mean that thousands of people aren't taking vitamin D supplements when they should. http://www.healthcentral.com:80/diabetes/c/17/56119/vitamin-testing Please help stop email address harvesting and subsequent spamming & protect your family, friends and yourself.Use BCC when sending to multiple email addresses and also delete old email addresses BEFORE forwarding on emails. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 Thanks for this Clare. I have always been overly cautious about usage of vitamin D and have recently been convinced of my error. I currently have increased my recommended levels of vitamin D regardless of blood testing. However, I believe the excitement over vitamin D has hit levels approaching mania. My studies tell me that to supplement vitamin D with disregard of vitamin A is extremely dangerous because without the modulating effect of vitamin A (also vitamins E and K) vitamin D can cause hypercalcification of soft tissue and heart failure. While case histories can be misleading, let me cite one case. A friend of mine, being treated for fibromyalgia, saw a doctor who suggested vitamin D therapy based on a blood test result. I warned him that this could be dangerous. Although his heart was in great shape according to his medical data, within months his heart (without congestion) stopped and he died in the ER where no effort was effective at jump-starting his heart. Excessive vitamin D and excessive calcium can be a lethal combination. A balance between D and A, and calcium and magnesium must be maintained. The ratio of magnesium to calcium in heart tissue is about 10,000 to one, lest the heart muscle "freeze" in place. A magnesium infusion probably would have saved my friend's life by removing the calcium that had been deposited via the vitamin D supplements. Incidentally. medical doctors are prescribing a 50,000 mg megadose twice monthly and are using a phamaceutical synthetic form of vitanin D. --- On Sun, 2/1/09, Clare@GOOGLE MAIL <theclaremcharris wrote: Clare@GOOGLE MAIL <theclaremcharris Vitamin D TestingUndisclosed-RecipientDate: Sunday, February 1, 2009, 7:48 PM the following came to me included in a Diabetes newsletter.. .... passing along fyi Clare in Tasmania Vitamin D testing has been in the news lately. But the mainstream press covered only the bad news. You would have to read the medical press to learn about better choices.The country's largest medical laboratory, Quest Diagnostics, just sent out thousands of letter to doctors who ordered Vitamin D tests for their patients. The letters say that results of their Vitamin D tests during the past two years are "questionable. " Quest's screw up could mean that thousands of people aren't taking vitamin D supplements when they should. http://www.healthce ntral.com: 80/diabetes/ c/17/56119/ vitamin-testing Please help stop email address harvesting and subsequent spamming & protect your family, friends and yourself.Use BCC when sending to multiple email addresses and also delete old email addresses BEFORE forwarding on emails. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 Seems to me that getting Vit D the old fashioned way would be best: 15 minutes of sun just after sunrise or just before sunset. Jackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 You are absolutely correct except that in winter climes in the northern states this just doesn't happen. That's why grandma used to give us cod liver oil to help us healthy in the winter. Another problem is that docs tell us the sun is dangerous and causes skin cancer. We then slather on petroleum based sun tan lotions to protect us from the sun. As a result our vitamin D production in the skin decreases. We then stay out in the sun much longer because "we are protected" The sun then fries our skin in the sun tan lotion and we get more skin cancer. This time the cancer is not from the sun but from the frying action.--- On Thu, 2/5/09, hill8628 <hill8628 wrote: hill8628 <hill8628Re: Vitamin D Testing Date: Thursday, February 5, 2009, 4:17 PM Seems to me that getting Vit D the old fashioned way would be best: 15 minutes of sun just after sunrise or just before sunset. Jackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 That is why you go out first thing or last thing and only for about 15 minutes. Even in the winter you can go out with at least a bare face and face the sun and do some Tai Chi or whatever for those 15 minutes to keep warm. I live in central New York and do it. Jackie - Tony De Angelis Thursday, February 05, 2009 4:29 PM Re: Vitamin D Testing You are absolutely correct except that in winter climes in the northern states this just doesn't happen. That's why grandma used to give us cod liver oil to help us healthy in the winter. Another problem is that docs tell us the sun is dangerous and causes skin cancer. We then slather on petroleum based sun tan lotions to protect us from the sun. As a result our vitamin D production in the skin decreases. We then stay out in the sun much longer because "we are protected" The sun then fries our skin in the sun tan lotion and we get more skin cancer. This time the cancer is not from the sun but from the frying action.--- On Thu, 2/5/09, hill8628 (AT) frontiernet (DOT) net <hill8628 (AT) frontiernet (DOT) net> wrote: hill8628 (AT) frontiernet (DOT) net <hill8628 (AT) frontiernet (DOT) net>Re: Vitamin D Testing Date: Thursday, February 5, 2009, 4:17 PM Seems to me that getting Vit D the old fashioned way would be best: 15 minutes of sun just after sunrise or just before sunset. Jackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 Jackie that sounds wonderful but doesn't it have to be something to do with the angle of the suns rays and those times may not be quite correct. Also what do LUPUS patients do? when they are advised to stay out of the sun completely? - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 Actually those are the correct times to be out in the sun. I don't know the reason for Lupus patients not being able to be out in the sun so can't answer that one. Jackie - Clare@GOOGLE MAIL Thursday, February 05, 2009 4:35 PM Re: Vitamin D Testing Jackie that sounds wonderful but doesn't it have to be something to do with the angle of the suns rays and those times may not be quite correct. Also what do LUPUS patients do? when they are advised to stay out of the sun completely? - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 First or last thing in NY, just on the face, just won't cut it. It would take at least 30 minutes of noonday sun on a bright day to do the job. Why take a chance on your vitamin A and D stores in the body running low when you can take a vitamin A and D perle that costs less then a nickel per day? Also, don't buy the idea that synthetic beta-carotene will convert to vitamin A in adequate quantities and that vitamin A is dangerous. It's called vitamin A because it is the most biologically notable vitamin in the body. Beta-carotene is not something you should get from supplements. A couple of cooked carrots per day should do it--- On Thu, 2/5/09, hill8628 <hill8628 wrote: hill8628 <hill8628Re: Vitamin D Testing Date: Thursday, February 5, 2009, 4:33 PM That is why you go out first thing or last thing and only for about 15 minutes. Even in the winter you can go out with at least a bare face and face the sun and do some Tai Chi or whatever for those 15 minutes to keep warm. I live in central New York and do it. Jackie - Tony De Angelis Thursday, February 05, 2009 4:29 PM Re: [Health_and_ Healing] Vitamin D Testing You are absolutely correct except that in winter climes in the northern states this just doesn't happen. That's why grandma used to give us cod liver oil to help us healthy in the winter. Another problem is that docs tell us the sun is dangerous and causes skin cancer. We then slather on petroleum based sun tan lotions to protect us from the sun. As a result our vitamin D production in the skin decreases. We then stay out in the sun much longer because "we are protected" The sun then fries our skin in the sun tan lotion and we get more skin cancer. This time the cancer is not from the sun but from the frying action.--- On Thu, 2/5/09, hill8628@frontierne t.net <hill8628@frontierne t.net> wrote: hill8628@frontierne t.net <hill8628@frontierne t.net>Re: [Health_and_ Healing] Vitamin D TestingThursday, February 5, 2009, 4:17 PM Seems to me that getting Vit D the old fashioned way would be best: 15 minutes of sun just after sunrise or just before sunset. Jackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 You are right it needs more than the face BUT in the winter that is better than nothing and I try for direct sunlight into the eyes at that time of the day I can look at the sun without any problems. Also 15 minutes is an average time. You usually start out with 5 minutes and work your way up. With most people it is not the only time of the day they are out in the sun. But it is the best time to be out to be able to look at the sun and not have to worry about being out in the sun TOO long. For those of us who cannot take supplements or medications, it the best alternative there is and for those taking supplements doing sun therapy would only enhance the benefits of the supplement. Jackie - Tony De Angelis Thursday, February 05, 2009 5:13 PM Re: Vitamin D Testing First or last thing in NY, just on the face, just won't cut it. It would take at least 30 minutes of noonday sun on a bright day to do the job. Why take a chance on your vitamin A and D stores in the body running low when you can take a vitamin A and D perle that costs less then a nickel per day? Also, don't buy the idea that synthetic beta-carotene will convert to vitamin A in adequate quantities and that vitamin A is dangerous. It's called vitamin A because it is the most biologically notable vitamin in the body. Beta-carotene is not something you should get from supplements. A couple of cooked carrots per day should do it--- On Thu, 2/5/09, hill8628 (AT) frontiernet (DOT) net <hill8628 (AT) frontiernet (DOT) net> wrote: hill8628 (AT) frontiernet (DOT) net <hill8628 (AT) frontiernet (DOT) net>Re: Vitamin D Testing Date: Thursday, February 5, 2009, 4:33 PM That is why you go out first thing or last thing and only for about 15 minutes. Even in the winter you can go out with at least a bare face and face the sun and do some Tai Chi or whatever for those 15 minutes to keep warm. I live in central New York and do it. Jackie - Tony De Angelis Thursday, February 05, 2009 4:29 PM Re: [Health_and_ Healing] Vitamin D Testing You are absolutely correct except that in winter climes in the northern states this just doesn't happen. That's why grandma used to give us cod liver oil to help us healthy in the winter. Another problem is that docs tell us the sun is dangerous and causes skin cancer. We then slather on petroleum based sun tan lotions to protect us from the sun. As a result our vitamin D production in the skin decreases. We then stay out in the sun much longer because "we are protected" The sun then fries our skin in the sun tan lotion and we get more skin cancer. This time the cancer is not from the sun but from the frying action.--- On Thu, 2/5/09, hill8628@frontierne t.net <hill8628@frontierne t.net> wrote: hill8628@frontierne t.net <hill8628@frontierne t.net>Re: [Health_and_ Healing] Vitamin D TestingThursday, February 5, 2009, 4:17 PM Seems to me that getting Vit D the old fashioned way would be best: 15 minutes of sun just after sunrise or just before sunset. Jackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 Also there are no UVB rays in the winter in NY. You could be out naked all day long and it wouldn't do any good. You might get sunburn from the UVA but without UVB no vitamin D. At 02:13 PM 2/5/2009, you wrote: First or last thing in NY, just on the face, just won't cut it. It would take at least 30 minutes of noonday sun on a bright day to do the job. Why take a chance on your vitamin A and D stores in the body running low when you can take a vitamin A and D perle that costs less then a nickel per day? Also, don't buy the idea that synthetic beta-carotene will convert to vitamin A in adequate quantities and that vitamin A is dangerous. It's called vitamin A because it is the most biologically notable vitamin in the body. Beta-carotene is not something you should get from supplements. A couple of cooked carrots per day should do it --- On Thu, 2/5/09, hill8628 <hill8628 wrote: hill8628 <hill8628 Re: Vitamin D Testing Thursday, February 5, 2009, 4:33 PM That is why you go out first thing or last thing and only for about 15 minutes. Even in the winter you can go out with at least a bare face and face the sun and do some Tai Chi or whatever for those 15 minutes to keep warm. I live in central New York and do it. Jackie - Tony De Angelis Thursday, February 05, 2009 4:29 PM Re: [Health_and_ Healing] Vitamin D Testing You are absolutely correct except that in winter climes in the northern states this just doesn't happen. That's why grandma used to give us cod liver oil to help us healthy in the winter. Another problem is that docs tell us the sun is dangerous and causes skin cancer. We then slather on petroleum based sun tan lotions to protect us from the sun. As a result our vitamin D production in the skin decreases. We then stay out in the sun much longer because " we are protected " The sun then fries our skin in the sun tan lotion and we get more skin cancer. This time the cancer is not from the sun but from the frying action. --- On Thu, 2/5/09, hill8628@frontierne t.net <hill8628@frontierne t.net> wrote: hill8628@frontierne t.net <hill8628@frontierne t.net> Re: [Health_and_ Healing] Vitamin D Testing Thursday, February 5, 2009, 4:17 PM Seems to me that getting Vit D the old fashioned way would be best: 15 minutes of sun just after sunrise or just before sunset. Jackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 You couldn't do that here today, or most days in the dead of winter - the wind chill was minus 22 degrees today - you can't stay outside in that weather longer than a couple minutes. Carol , <hill8628 wrote: > > That is why you go out first thing or last thing and only for about 15 minutes. Even in the winter you can go out with at least a bare face and face the sun and do some Tai Chi or whatever for those 15 minutes to keep warm. > > I live in central New York and do it. > > Jackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 In , <hill8628@> wrote: > > > > That is why you go out first thing or last thing and only for about > 15 minutes. Even in the winter you can go out with at least a bare > face and face the sun and do some Tai Chi or whatever for those 15 > minutes to keep warm. > > > > I live in central New York and do it. > > > > Jackie ====================================== I don't think you would have stayed outside here too long today either. It was minus 25 and let me tell you when you were in the wind for a few minutes it was all you could do to keep on breathing. It hurt to breathe so I don't think you would want to be out doing much of anything that makes you take deep breaths. Edith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 I have read that the best time to get our Vitamin D from the sun is from 10-2pm. The angle of the rays before or after that is practically useless for obtaining any benefit from the ultraviolet rays that help the body to produce the Vitamin D. If we use pure, organic, virgin coconut oil on the skin (which has a natural sunscreen of SPF 4) and work up to 20 minutes a day between those hours we will get our Vitamin D. Even if we should skip a few days, the extra Vitamin D is stored in our body for future use. Kathy Kathy Baker, LMT * WOMEN'S WELLNESS SPA , Patten, Maine -( www.yourpattenspa.com ) * (Healing essential oils used here) Website: www.youngliving.org/pattenspa * We're powered by JuicePLUS- (17 fruits/veggies/fiber in 4 capsules.) Indisputable science, profound results. (www.juiceplus.com/+kb80454 ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 The amount of time required depends on time of day, season, skin color, and distance from the equator. There are too many factors to develop any formula that is useful to all of usregarding time in the sun. There should be no necessity for anyone to use any tanning lotion. Coconut oil can work well if taken intenally as a skin "moisturizer". If a person has a real concern about skin cancer, vitamin C sprayed on the skin every ten minutes is probably better than anything else.--- On Fri, 2/6/09, Kathy Baker <pattenspa wrote: Kathy Baker <pattenspa Re: Vitamin D Testing Date: Friday, February 6, 2009, 7:45 AM I have read that the best time to get our Vitamin D from the sun is from 10-2pm. The angle of the rays before or after that is practically useless for obtaining any benefit from the ultraviolet rays that help the body to produce the Vitamin D. If we use pure, organic, virgin coconut oil on the skin (which has a natural sunscreen of SPF 4) and work up to 20 minutes a day between those hours we will get our Vitamin D. Even if we should skip a few days, the extra Vitamin D is stored in our body for future use. Kathy Kathy Baker, LMT * WOMEN'S WELLNESS SPA , Patten, Maine -( www.yourpattenspa. com ) * (Healing essential oils used here) Website: www.youngliving. org/pattenspa * We're powered by JuicePLUS- (17 fruits/veggies/ fiber in 4 capsules.) Indisputable science, profound results. (www.juiceplus. com/+kb80454 ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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