TCM Re; a channel runs right through it

[Guest guest]

 I

liked your ideas a lot John, and followed the links to see what its

about. This imagery you presented is very expansive and provocative.

The water, in this case, interstitial fluid, aligns in the presence of

abundant positive qi.

 Is it possible there is something analogous

to a sympathetic/ parasympathetic system of qi in the bodies? In other

words, all life forms have qi and construct molecules around it.       

We're born and the body knows what to do, it's the opposite of chaos.

Life is working, beautiful, we grow up, and a feeling of optimism and

potential is there because the body is flourishing. And injury or

distress occurs and we're inhibited and shut down a little to cope.

automatically. Rub or reflect. Reach out.

 The immaterial gives birth to the material, and nutures it along. Acupuncture

type therapies

uses the immaterial to support the material. Herbals use material born in

immaterial, to support both.

 And water, is so fitting to be looked at because it is mostly what we are, and

water is so nuetral yet powerful.

 When

we have to focus, because of internal or external conflict, on

augmenting, or letting our body and mind be, just feeling, using our

complex to feel, to unify our strengths and weaknesses, with qigong

(intent), mixing in all the important lessons, letting us mix with the

day season  then the qi becomes mobile, accessible. Less automatic.

Further down the path, sayings like, 'a sneeze can bring a snowstorm',

apply. Because the immaterial is limitless, just like us.

 Like a

horse and rider, their strength has a direction, but on a good open

day, the wiser will lead. Like a harmonious relationship, society. I'm

a musician who's better at backing than playing front most of the time.

I like it.

 I know I overly use metaphors of lovers when describing

qi, or feeling a pulse, or just interracting with the world in general.

And I don't know if I will be moderated or spanked for some of the

things I say (of course we're not whores). But, we come from the

vastness, and  immaterial, and can sense the preciousness and direction

that the little horse wants to go. Thanks, this is such a good group.

 

(I have made more low threshold ion cords john, if you still want a pair, I can

get them to you in about two weeks)

 

--- On Mon, 2/23/09, <johnkokko wrote:

<johnkokko

Re: Re: Acupuncture Channels, and point of information

Chinese Medicine

Monday, February 23, 2009, 11:28 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Has anyone read Dr. Shui yin luo's book:

 

http://www.qluni. org/home_ new2.html

 

 

 

Here is a synopsis from another website...

 

" It is proposed that meridians are made up of a polarized media which is

 

likely to be water clusters. These water clusters align to form an electric

 

field throughout the network of meridians. When the water clusters align to

 

form an electric field throughout the network of meridians. When the water

 

clusters fall out of allignment, qi is blocked and the body is in pain ir

 

becomes sick. "

 

 

 

How is this similar/ different to the interstitial fluid circulation within

 

connective tissue theory?

 

 

 

Qi carried through water is consistent with the classical metaphors of water

 

used for the shu points.. well, spring, stream etc.

 

and these fields as " channels " carrying water or " vessels " holding water.

 

 

 

On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 6:03 PM, JASON R <kentuckyginseng@ > wrote:

 

 

 

> All

 

>

 

> As some of you have pointed out, this is one of Dr. Wang Ju-yi's

 

> favoritte subjects. This debate is of course very important and

 

> heated in China. As a theorist and avid reader, Dr. Wang seems to

 

> keep up with the discussion as much as possible and loves

 

> translations of English research.

 

>

 

> His distillation of the nature of channels comes back over and over

 

> to the role of intersitial fluid circulation within 'connective

 

> tissue' (×éÖ¯Òº zu zhi ye). I translated for him some fascinating

 

> research by Dr. Helen Langevin at the University of Vermont medical

 

> school. For those interested, her article on connective tissue

 

> planes and acupuncture channels can be found on-line. After

 

> reviewing Dr. Langevin's research using electron microscopes, Dr.

 

> Wang marveled that he could come to such similar conclulsions

 

> largely from reading classical texts and paying attention to how the

 

> language of those texts seems to be describing fluid flow.

 

>

 

> On a similar note, he often points out that the very first chapter

 

> of the Divine Pivot asserts that acupuncture points are, " Not [the

 

> same as] skin, flesh, sinews and bones " . If not these structures,

 

> then what? His belief is that many parts of the rest of the Nei Jing

 

> and the Nan Jing broaden upon this this by describing the role

 

> of 'the spaces' (϶ xi)...

 

>

 

> Thank you all for a fascinating discussion!

 

>

 

> Respectfully,

 

>

 

> Jason Robertson