acupuncture (and herbs) stimulating HGH?

[Guest guest]

Dear Colleagues,

 

Recently I read that Human growth Hormone (HGH) is naturally stimulated during

non-REM deep delta wave sleep and during intense anerobic exercise.  It got

me wondering if anyone has considered whether acupuncture applied to any

specific points (like let's say Ren 4, Ren 6, St 36, or Sp 6), or if any herbs

or formulas have been studied as to consider whether they stimulate HgH? 

Has anyone heard of any studies in this area?   

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

 Hi Yehuda. All yang tonic herbs should stimulate HgH. Some herbs, like Lu Rong

/ Antler Velvet contain largish amounts of a hormone downstream from HgH, IGF-1.

In a sense, they're kind of the same thing. So basically, it's chinese medicine

all over again: for growth we need jing put into action through yang.

 

 However, it's actually 3am here and high time for me to do what is right.

 

 Hugo

 

________________________________

Hugo Ramiro

http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com

http://www.chinesemedicaltherapies.org

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

 

TCM <Chinese Traditional Medicine >;

Traditional Chinese Herbal Medicine

Sunday, 12 July, 2009 2:37:23

acupuncture (and herbs) stimulating HGH?

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Colleagues,

 

Recently I read that Human growth Hormone (HGH) is naturally stimulated during

non-REM deep delta wave sleep and during intense anerobic exercise.  It got

me wondering if anyone has considered whether acupuncture applied to any

specific points (like let' s say Ren 4, Ren 6, St 36, or Sp 6), or if any herbs

or formulas have been studied as to consider whether they stimulate HgH? 

Has anyone heard of any studies in this area?   

 

 

www.traditionaljewi shmedicine. net

www.traditionaljewi shmedicine. blogspot. com

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Let's explore this further:  I have 3 questions then: 

1.   I wonder if it follows universally that all substances which replenish Jing

also stimulate the production of HGH?

2.  Are all substances that generate HGH also androgenergic,  ie.they also

generate testosterone.

3.  What about acupuncture? What affect does acupuncture have on hormones.  Have

there been any studies?   

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Sun, 7/12/09, Hugo Ramiro <subincor wrote:

 

 

Hugo Ramiro <subincor

Re: acupuncture (and herbs) stimulating HGH?

Chinese Medicine

Sunday, July 12, 2009, 12:28 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 Hi Yehuda. All yang tonic herbs should stimulate HgH. Some herbs, like Lu Rong

/ Antler Velvet contain largish amounts of a hormone downstream from HgH, IGF-1.

In a sense, they're kind of the same thing. So basically, it's chinese medicine

all over again: for growth we need jing put into action through yang.

 

 However, it's actually 3am here and high time for me to do what is right.

 

 Hugo

 

____________ _________ _________ __

Hugo Ramiro

http://middlemedici ne.wordpress. com

http://www.chinesem edicaltherapies. org

 

____________ _________ _________ __

>

TCM <traditional_ chinese_medicine >;

Traditional Chinese Herbal Medicine

Sunday, 12 July, 2009 2:37:23

acupuncture (and herbs) stimulating HGH?

 

Dear Colleagues,

 

Recently I read that Human growth Hormone (HGH) is naturally stimulated during

non-REM deep delta wave sleep and during intense anerobic exercise.  It got

me wondering if anyone has considered whether acupuncture applied to any

specific points (like let' s say Ren 4, Ren 6, St 36, or Sp 6), or if any herbs

or formulas have been studied as to consider whether they stimulate HgH? 

Has anyone heard of any studies in this area?   

 

 

www.traditionaljewi shmedicine. net

www.traditionaljewi shmedicine. blogspot. com

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Yehuda and Hugo,

 

I've been looking at this particular issue now for a long time as I've watched

others in both CM and subspecialties in WM piece together evidence in their own

paradigms. And both paradigms give ample support to both of your commentaries.

Endocrinologists always speak about daytime and night time cocktails and the

subtle adaptive responses of their patients to injurious stress as well as to

high level training in sports. We just spoke about this briefly on another list

regarding " environmental qi " and Lung Qi nourishing Kidney Qi. You can see the

results of physical activity on athletic development as well as on resolving

insulin resistance in metabolic syndrome (diabetes II). I recall Dr. Charles

Chiang of Min Tong Pharm. Co. teaching pharmacology of herbs and formulas

describing research on Bu Zhong Yi Qi Tang in this light ... offering deep

restorative sleep to athletes. I hope we can return to this topic in late

August when I'll be available to help research this question and also ask Dr.

Chiang (and Dr. Ping Qi Kang) some questions to advance my thoughts on the

topic. This is a strong underlying theme in my physiology class. Thanks for

discussing this.

 

Gratefully,

 

Emmanuel Segmen

 

 

[Guest guest]

Some ideas about the anterior pituitary:1) place where numerous hormones are

produced.2) Apparently, vit E fees this organ (ref in " The Chemistry of Man " by

B. Jensen)3) TV tubes and fluorescent lights emit radiation that is harmful to

the pituitary. Not sure if computers are also in this category but it might

make sense. (see above)4) the growth-controlling portion of the pituitary

contains 7-10x the bromine of any other organ and this amount declines with age.

(see above)5) HGH and androgens (ie, testosterone) share a common source, the

pituitary.

I cannot help but wonder about using auricular needling of the organ locations

for help.

 

Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

 

Chinese Medicine

 

Sun, 12 Jul 2009 01:34:40 -0700

Re: acupuncture (and herbs) stimulating HGH?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Let's explore this further: I have 3 questions then:

 

1. I wonder if it follows universally that all substances which replenish Jing

also stimulate the production of HGH?

 

2. Are all substances that generate HGH also androgenergic, ie.they also

generate testosterone.

 

3. What about acupuncture? What affect does acupuncture have on hormones. Have

there been any studies?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Sun, 7/12/09, Hugo Ramiro <subincor wrote:

 

 

 

Hugo Ramiro <subincor

 

Re: acupuncture (and herbs) stimulating HGH?

 

Chinese Medicine

 

Sunday, July 12, 2009, 12:28 AM

 

 

 

Hi Yehuda. All yang tonic herbs should stimulate HgH. Some herbs, like Lu Rong

/ Antler Velvet contain largish amounts of a hormone downstream from HgH, IGF-1.

In a sense, they're kind of the same thing. So basically, it's chinese medicine

all over again: for growth we need jing put into action through yang.

 

 

 

However, it's actually 3am here and high time for me to do what is right.

 

 

 

Hugo

 

 

 

____________ _________ _________ __

 

Hugo Ramiro

 

http://middlemedici ne.wordpress. com

 

http://www.chinesem edicaltherapies. org

 

 

 

____________ _________ _________ __

 

>

 

TCM <traditional_ chinese_medicine >;

Traditional Chinese Herbal Medicine

 

Sunday, 12 July, 2009 2:37:23

 

acupuncture (and herbs) stimulating HGH?

 

 

 

Dear Colleagues,

 

 

 

Recently I read that Human growth Hormone (HGH) is naturally stimulated during

 

non-REM deep delta wave sleep and during intense anerobic exercise. It got me

wondering if anyone has considered whether acupuncture applied to any specific

points (like let' s say Ren 4, Ren 6, St 36, or Sp 6), or if any herbs or

formulas have been studied as to consider whether they stimulate HgH? Has

anyone heard of any studies in this area?

 

 

 

 

 

www.traditionaljewi shmedicine. net

 

www.traditionaljewi shmedicine. blogspot. com

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

But has anyone actually heard of studies on this?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Mon, 7/13/09, mike Bowser <naturaldoc1 wrote:

 

 

mike Bowser <naturaldoc1

RE: acupuncture (and herbs) stimulating HGH?

Chinese Traditional Medicine

Monday, July 13, 2009, 8:36 AM

 

 

 

Some ideas about the anterior pituitary:1) place where numerous hormones are

produced.2) Apparently, vit E fees this organ (ref in " The Chemistry of Man " by

B. Jensen)3) TV tubes and fluorescent lights emit radiation that is harmful to

the pituitary.  Not sure if computers are also in this category but it might

make sense.  (see above)4) the growth-controlling portion of the pituitary

contains 7-10x the bromine of any other organ and this amount declines with

age.  (see above)5) HGH and androgens (ie, testosterone) share a common source,

the pituitary. 

I cannot help but wonder about using auricular needling of the organ locations

for help.

 

Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

 

Chinese Medicine

 

Sun, 12 Jul 2009 01:34:40 -0700

Re: TCM -  acupuncture (and herbs) stimulating HGH?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

   

           

           

 

 

     

      Let's explore this further:  I have 3 questions then: 

 

1.   I wonder if it follows universally that all substances which replenish

Jing also stimulate the production of HGH?

 

2.  Are all substances that generate HGH also androgenergic,  ie.they also

generate testosterone.

 

3.  What about acupuncture? What affect does acupuncture have on hormones. 

Have there been any studies?   

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Sun, 7/12/09, Hugo Ramiro <subincor wrote:

 

 

 

Hugo Ramiro <subincor

 

Re: acupuncture (and herbs) stimulating HGH?

 

Chinese Medicine

 

Sunday, July 12, 2009, 12:28 AM

 

 

 

Hi Yehuda. All yang tonic herbs should stimulate HgH. Some herbs, like Lu Rong /

Antler Velvet contain largish amounts of a hormone downstream from HgH, IGF-1.

In a sense, they're kind of the same thing. So basically, it's chinese medicine

all over again: for growth we need jing put into action through yang.

 

 

 

However, it's actually 3am here and high time for me to do what is right.

 

 

 

Hugo

 

 

 

____________ _________ _________ __

 

Hugo Ramiro

 

http://middlemedici ne.wordpress. com

 

http://www.chinesem edicaltherapies. org

 

 

 

____________ _________ _________ __

 

>

 

TCM <traditional_ chinese_medicine >;

Traditional Chinese Herbal Medicine

 

Sunday, 12 July, 2009 2:37:23

 

acupuncture (and herbs) stimulating HGH?

 

 

 

Dear Colleagues,

 

 

 

Recently I read that Human growth Hormone (HGH) is naturally stimulated during

 

non-REM deep delta wave sleep and during intense anerobic exercise.  It got me

wondering if anyone has considered whether acupuncture applied to any specific

points (like let' s say Ren 4, Ren 6, St 36, or Sp 6), or if any herbs or

formulas have been studied as to consider whether they stimulate HgH?  Has

anyone heard of any studies in this area?   

 

 

 

 

 

www.traditionaljewi shmedicine. net

 

www.traditionaljewi shmedicine. blogspot. com