Vitex Safety ** Or Safety of Any Other Oil

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Hi y'all,

 

I'm thinking its not really about safety or right and wrong .. but

rather about attitudes and defending positions already taken. I might

be wrong.

 

I'm read comments from a feller who is not a young whippersnapper .. Dr.

Chuck Woodfield .. who spent his entire adult life in the field of

medicine .. beginning with a few years as a combat medic in the US Army

Special Forces .. a job that puts you out and about and away from the

doctors and clinics and such and forces you to perform medical

procedures that you've been trained to perform .. but are not licensed

to perform. A feller who then became a college educated and licensed

Pharmacist .. and then a College educated Doctor of Chiropractic. A

feller with many years of formal schooling, many years of applying his

training and experience to actual real world situations .. not just text

book half-baked theories, but down-where-the-rubber-meets-the road

situations .. and then many years treating his own family as well as

others .. and making a living doing it as a full time professional ..

not a researcher of the works of other people or a jack of all trades!

 

Some folks object to use of any essential oil that has not been tested

and proven safe .. well .. more on that later.

 

Some object to use of anything that has not been approved by the same US

agency that each year rushes through the approval of drugs that are

often later recalled because the KILL to CURE ratio is a heavy on the

KILL side .. the FDA.

 

I haven't used an over-the-counter or prescription drug since 1996 but

if I were going to use one .. I think I would rather get advice from an

experienced pharmacist than I would a medical doctor!

 

In times past, and still ongoing in many places in the USA, all over the

country of Turkey and most other countries of the world outside the Big

Brother West .. pharmacists prescribe more medications than do medical

doctors. Its simply a matter of training. Medical doctors LACK that

training .. medical doctors PRACTICE medicine! They interpret symptoms

and look them up in a handy medical guide .. then swivel their chair

around and dig through a pharmaceutical reference to determine what they

want to use to maybe cure this person .. its all about practice .. with

human guinea pigs instead of lab rats.

 

Pharmaceutical companies have compromised many medical professionals at

their meetings in Hawaii and the Virgin Islands and its a known national

disgrace. Its also well known that the pharmaceutical companies tell

medical " practitioners " what they should use. Those pharmaceutical guys

are some kinda altruistic folks - huh?

 

If clinical, double blind, peer reviewed, so-called independent testing

was so surefire then why are as many drugs recalled as there are drugs

approved? And why do people die from approved drugs. You cannot give

that much credit to researchers .. they are not omnipotent .. and many

are corruptible .. especially if they have a home mortgage to pay.

 

Where does the information come from that directs researchers to study

any natural product? The answer is .. folks were using them so they

decided to follow up on the results.

 

NO essential oil has been studied according to the standards some folks

demand .. and few have been studied at all .. does that mean they should

not be used? Peppermint has not been studied. Half the oils used in

Aromatherapy have not a single minute of study conducted on them .. and

those that have any study at all are almost always studied relative to

dermal use .. not sniffing and not ingestion and not diffusing.

 

Many of the " studies " on dermal application of essential oils involve

60-65 people .. if any competent medical authority reports that tests

showed that 75-85 people reported no irritation or sensitization after

application of a 5% or 8% dilution of Vitex would we then say it had

been studied? Maybe we should .. maybe we shouldn't .. but what kind

of studies do we need? Are there any competent studies to report on

other essential oils?

 

So enough of the sanctified researchers and approvals of medications.

 

For that matter .. why use essential oils at all? Vitex EO has been

used for 20 or more years that I know of .. maybe longer .. America is

not the only country that has used distilled Vitex EO. What point must

one cross to say its safe .. is it 25 years or 50 years or 100 years?

 

And why would anyone study a medication that can't be patented? Natural

products can't be patented. It takes millions of bucks and years of

study and even the greasing of some palms to get FDA approval for a

medication that might be pulled the following year by the FDA because

they decided it was very hazardous .. even after the so-called clinical

testing.

 

We know that with a cold or flu .. most of the over the counter TESTED

treatments do no more than treat the symptoms .. that is what we want

relief from. Treat it and it goes away in a week or so but if you don't

treat it then it takes seven or so days. But Hot Flashes and other

symptoms of menopause don't go away by themselves like a cold goes away.

 

One question I've asked over and over on various lists .. but one that

is never answered. Tell me of a case of harm done by essential oils ..

and I don't mean a friend of a neighbor's cousin living in Podunk who

told a girlfriend's sister-in-law's brother .. I would appreciate more

than hearsay.

 

Determining what's prudent is a personal choice/opinion .. and the issue

of liability requires a legal opinion .. but the entire industry of AT

is based on use of untested natural products .. and many of them have

contraindications.

 

The issue of SUCCESSFUL use of Vitex for SOME people stands on its own

merit .. and it is CLEAR that it will not work for EVERYONE. But until

someone produces info that indicates it should not be used, or that its

harmful to use .. I will continue to offer it.

 

I could provide a laundry list of names ON THIS LIST who have personally

told me they have been helped by Vitex .. but I am not going to do it

because I have not asked their permission .. though they might decide to

come forward with testimonials. I will post a few that were public.

 

Y'all keep smiling. :-) Butch http://www.AV-AT.com

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" snip " One question I've asked over and over on various lists .. but one that

is never answered. Tell me of a case of harm done by essential oils .. " snip "

 

Couldn't resist adding my tuppence-worth on this one (yes, I'm still catching up

on mail - only 301 emails left to go!) ... in 8 years of selling essential oils

(for myself and others) I've only met one person who's had a 'really nasty'

experience with essential oils - she had shaved her legs and applied neat

Geranium oil (of dubious quality) directly onto the shaved areas. The skin

swelled up and went red and hurt and itched like crazy for days. But they didn't

drop off and she didn't die ....

And that's the worst I've heard ... so much for these dangerous toxins we're all

dealing with ...

Jane