Sensitization - Clearing of Allergies/Sensitivies

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, Butch Owen <butchbsi@s...> wrote:

> Hi Sherry,

>

> Part of the below post is sort of harsh .. at least that's how it comes

> across to me.

 

 

 

Oops, looks like Butch is gonna come after me next! Yikes!

 

(running and hiding)

 

No disrespect to Martin --please know that! I was debating whether to

put an " LOL " after my first statement. Looks like I should have after

all.

 

Andrea (who doesn't really have any other list other than a " TO DO "

and an Oils & Herbs)

[Guest guest]

I'm certainly not saying that anyone cannot express their opinion.

What I don't appreciate is discrediting something (comparing

something to YL for instance, or assuming that someone is " inflating "

thier credentials) without any information to back it up. This is

inflammatory and unnecessary.

 

I found Martin's post harsh. I am not here to defend any authors

opinion, simply to post some information that may be beneficial to

someone in need, as others are doing on this list.

 

I certainly would not try to change anyone's personality and wouldn't

expect anyone to try and change mine either. I don't have any

experience with the other lists your are mentioning and I actually

never even heard of YL until I joined this list.

 

Regards,

Sherry

 

, Butch Owen <butchbsi@s...>

wrote:

> Hi Sherry,

>

> Part of the below post is sort of harsh .. at least that's how it

comes across to me. I am sure you have a lot to offer the list but

telling folks your opinion or that of an author and then saying you

are not interested in hearing their opinion is not what we are used

to on Oils & Herbs. I say this for any of the new folks who have not

been around long enough to pick up on the personality of this list.

>

> One thing that will NOT happen .. and this is a fact .. the

personality of this list will NOT be changed .. unless the List Mom

changes it. And that is not likely to happen .. we will never be

like the cut throat Idma List where folks are afraid to speak their

mind. To date, this list has been known as the kindest list

around .. a list where folks can disagree without being disagreeable

and be dead wrong without being crucified.

>

> The only exception to the above is if someone insists on continuing

to put out unsafe information .. then they will find that the

patience of some folks is not without limit.

>

> For sure we all will have bad days now and then .. and folks

forgive us most of the time .. if we have been around long enough for

them to know who we are on our best days. Entering a new list is not

different than entering a new bar without checking out the scene and

finding out who is who and who isn't .. and what the personality of

that bar is.

[Guest guest]

Now I'm getting perturbed.

 

Butch doesn't go after anyone - he's defined who and why he believes is suspect

and it's no one person, it's the practice or disinformation. Conversely, when

he's made a position he has no issues with anyone treating him with the same

respect and giving what they've got to give.

 

I've never gotten into these before but I will say that what Butch posted was a

very clear and respectful post.

 

Can we just stop this thread now or start a new one with a new subject line and

perhaps all parties can come back and start the discussion with a clean slate?

 

Dale

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Andrea

Wednesday, December 01, 2004 10:56 AM

Re: Sensitization - Clearing of

Allergies/Sensitivies

 

 

 

, Butch Owen <butchbsi@s...> wrote:

> Hi Sherry,

>

> Part of the below post is sort of harsh .. at least that's how it comes

> across to me.

 

 

 

Oops, looks like Butch is gonna come after me next! Yikes!

 

(running and hiding)

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Whoops. Sorry. Reading posts in order this morning. Something I've not had

the luxury of doing in a while.

 

You guys are doing great.....the cat is purring over here. LOL

 

And I can now tell my Hungarian friend that I am going to try to make these

cookies. She was always so humble about her cooking. She is in New Jersey and

the last time we saw each other was over 4 years ago. You've made me miss her

even more. Thank you Andrea.

 

 

Dale

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Dale Bernucca

Wednesday, December 01, 2004 3:35 PM

Re: Re: Sensitization - Clearing of

Allergies/Sensitivies

 

 

Now I'm getting perturbed.

 

...snip...

 

Can we just stop this thread now or start a new one with a new subject line

and perhaps all parties can come back and start the discussion with a clean

slate?

 

Dale

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Sherry,

 

Part of the below post is sort of harsh .. at least that's how it comes

across to me. I am sure you have a lot to offer the list but telling

folks your opinion or that of an author and then saying you are not

interested in hearing their opinion is not what we are used to on Oils &

Herbs. I say this for any of the new folks who have not been around

long enough to pick up on the personality of this list.

 

One thing that will NOT happen .. and this is a fact .. the personality

of this list will NOT be changed .. unless the List Mom changes it. And

that is not likely to happen .. we will never be like the cut throat

Idma List where folks are afraid to speak their mind. To date, this

list has been known as the kindest list around .. a list where folks can

disagree without being disagreeable and be dead wrong without being

crucified.

 

The only exception to the above is if someone insists on continuing to

put out unsafe information .. then they will find that the patience of

some folks is not without limit.

 

For sure we all will have bad days now and then .. and folks forgive us

most of the time .. if we have been around long enough for them to know

who we are on our best days. Entering a new list is not different than

entering a new bar without checking out the scene and finding out who is

who and who isn't .. and what the personality of that bar is.

 

> This is from her jacket notes: Ellen W. Cutler, MD, DC, holds

> medical and chiropratic degrees, she graduated with honors in both

> disciplines. She is a Diplomate of the National Board of Chiropractic

> Examiners and is board-eligible for Diplomate status with the

> American Board of Chiropractic Orthopedits. Her postgraduate

> training also includes nutrition, homeopathy, acupressure, and enzyme

> therapy. She continues to study intensively and conduct clinical

> research in the areas of immunology, nutrition and allergy

> treatment...

>

> The above is part of her jacket notes, pick up the book to read the

> rest.

>

> What ingredients would you like the enzymes to list? This treatment

> is definately NEW and I suggest you actually read the book before you

> make generalizations and inflamatory comments. My naturopath has

> used these treatments on my daughter and cleared her food allergies

> and subsequent eczema, so I have seen first hand that it works.

 

Good show .. might be a great treatment and the lady who wrote the book

might be onto something that will be main-line someday .. maybe.

 

> You do not outgrow allergies. They can become hidden and manifest

> themselves into other symptoms and health problems (ie. arthritis,

> asthma, eczema, etc.).

 

That is an opinion .. as was Martin's .. might be a fact too .. but I

bet Martin can also list some references for his opinion.

 

> Further, I am not interested in a debate based on your opinions, so

> if you are not interested in this subject or finding out futher

> information about it by actually reading the book (no the whole book

> contents is not posted on the website!), then I am happy to close it.

 

If the above sentence had not been included in your post I would not

have made my post. Please read it again and ask yourself how you would

feel if someone wrote this to you.

 

> I posted this information for anyone who might be interested in

> finding a way with dealing with their allergies/sensitivies (and

> other chronic health problems) and has exhausted their options. I

> don't put much faith in clinical trials personally, but if have

> questions in this regard, you can always write to her. This book can

> be borrowed from a library at no cost.

 

Good reference .. and thanks.

 

> Sherry

 

Y'all keep smiling. :-) Butch

 

> ,

> " aromamedical2003 " <aromamedical-2@l... wrote:

>

>>I would never dismiss dietary methods for helping to control or

>>even eliminate certain food allergies, there is nothing new on this

>>subject and there are dozens of books out there and have been for

>>years on elimination diets. This gets back to what I said in my

>>previous mail about avoiding things that cause the allergic

>>reaction.

>

>>Also, one can simply grow out of food allergies.

>>

>>It is difficult for me to comment on the work of this therapist as

>>I have not read her books. All I can comment on are the claims over

>>the enzyme therapy for which no evidence or information is

>>presented on the web site below.

>

>>Re: http://www.bioset-institute.com/

>>This web site looks like the type of misleading hype that we

>>associate with Young Living. Very interesting to note that Dr.

>>Ellen W. Cutler is a chiropodist and not a medical researcher. Now

>>let me think, who else calls themselves a doctor but is NOT!

>>

>>There is absolutely no evidence presented on this web site to

>>justify the products sold; there is no mention of clinical trials;

>>there is no mention of what the products contain. This is a classic

>>example of those web sites where no evidence is presented to back

>>claims made. I find it so frustrating that people are unable to

>>differentiate between obvious hype and facts. The fact someone has

>>written books nowadays means zilch. Just look at the garbage in

>>popular aromatherapy novels.

>

>>Martin

[Guest guest]

we will never be like the cut throat

Idma List where folks are afraid to speak their mind. To date, this

list has been known as the kindest list around .. a list where folks can

disagree without being disagreeable and be dead wrong without being

crucified.

 

(snip)

 

Well actually, Butch, this is exactly how you made me feel a little while ago

with your response to a discussion I was involved in on the definition of

aromatherapy. I'm new to the list and I didn't know how 'old hat' the discussion

was and I was enjoying the exchange until your put-down. I didn't respond at the

time and I've been mostly keeping quiet since because I felt a little

'crucified' and you were the hangman! Jane