Preservatives

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Hey Josh,

 

> Thanks for that Butch... I've been researching alternatives.

 

Welcome fer'shur .. and I missed this post till I saw the reply Chris

sent to you. knocks me off line a couple of times a day so I have

to go back through the archive often to see what was sent to the list.

 

> I wonder if Red Shiso would work?

 

I honestly don't know what that is .. but I do know that when ANY

company comes out with a SAFE and EFFECTIVE Natural Preservative .. I

wanna get in on the ground floor of their stock sales because they will

soon make Bill Gates look like a pauper.

 

> I have to take issue with the cavalier attitude here, though:

 

I am capable and experienced at making cavalier remarks but the below is

not one of them.

 

This reply was is reference to the statement that:

 

" Synthetic preservatives are effective but have harmful chemicals. "

 

>>Maybe .. but so does drinking water .. and the air we breath .. and

>>most of the food we eat ..

 

And maybe it is not even totally true .. what is " harmful " or not is a

matter of controversy amongst many folks far more knowledgeable than me.

 

Matter of fact .. a few weeks ago someone posted something about not

wanting to use chemicals in their life .. I started to reply to that but

let it go as I sorta thought that they had not said what they really

meant to say .. that can happen when we get one shot at laying out our

position. If not for chemicals .. Aromatherapy would no work. To say

that all chemicals are harmful is to say that nature is harmful. To say

that all synthetic chemicals are harmful is also incorrect.

 

To say that we consume a lot of potentially harmful chemicals on a day

to day basis would be a correct statement. But its the volume and the

frequency that are critical factors here .. like dioxin (the bad guy in

Agent Orange) .. a byproduct of waste incineration and and ingredient

found in some pesticides .. its a normal contaminant found in many foods

but at a very low level. A single high dose can trigger many serious

illnesses .. like sever disfigurement and paralysis of the face ..

called chloracne .. and acute pancreatitis.

 

The Ukrainian presidential candidate, Viktor Yushchenko, was purposely

poisoned with dioxin by someone in October .. Yushchenko's blood and

tissue registered concentrations of dioxin that were 1,000 times above

normal levels. Considering that he wants to move ex-Soviet Ukraine

closer to the West and his (Vladimir Putin supported) opponent, Viktor

Yanukovych, want to move closer to the Kremlin .. one doesn't have to be

a rocket scientist to determine what the motive was. Point is .. his

face has been severely deformed .. but doctors say he will heal in 2-3

years. And this is from a dose that is 1,000 or so times higher than

you or me have right now.

 

> Sure, our water and air are both polluted, and the former is usually

> chemically processed in most areas. This is NOT a good thing! It

> certainly doesn't make using even more chemicals ok (Tu Quoque

> fallacy).

 

Of course not .. a spoonful of wine in a barrel of sewage or a spoonful

of sewage in a barrel of wine gives us the same thing .. sewage. But an

unfortunate fact is that regardless of the desires of a new and upcoming

religion that wants to return to nature .. we can only do so much in the

real world. We can BS ourselves if it gives us warm fuzzies .. but then

we are disregarding the reality of our existence.

 

> City water... get rid of it. I can't urge people enough to put

> filters on their faucets AND their shower heads. It's always got

> something in it, even if it's just a rust inhibitor. Maybe you want

> to drink rust inhibitor... none for me, thanks.

 

Filters are good for sure .. but its not realistic to expect all the

folks in New York City to purchase a filter. True it is also that I am

not as concerned about all the folks in New York City as I am for those

that are important to me .. not a lack of concern, just its a matter of

degree of concern.

 

>>> However, we use such a low dosage that these harmful chemicals

>>> should not present a problem for most people.

>

> Three words: Multiple Chemical Sensitivity

 

Like Chris said .. though MCS far more common today than it was before

" modernization " .. yea .. I dislike that word too .. but I'm not sure

what to plug in there .. its still not an epidemic. We have far more

serious problems than MCS and many of them are not going to go away in

our lifetime. No way will we outlaw use of fossil fuels in the lifetime

of our grandchildren even. My buddy here, an American Ph.D. geologist,

who is well known in the business, says the volume of oil we now have

identified (not counting what is yet to be discovered) will take care of

the world for the next 80-100 years. He also says that the total

pollution caused in 30 years of use of fossil fuels is minute when

compared to ONE natural disaster .. like a volcano erupting. There is

nothing we can do to stop volcanos from erupting .. and there is nothing

we can do now to stop the use of fossil fuels.

 

>>And it's a small price to pay for what could happen if a product

>>is not preserved.

>

> Maybe small, local, and quicker is better...

 

The above was not my comment .. but the small price the writer referred

to was in regard to not doing harm .. especially knowingly.. and I must

agree with that writer. There are also legal issues and those who don't

cover their butts are sorta dumb, I think. Covering one's butt means

taking that degree of care which a reasonably prudent person would

exercise under the same or similar circumstances. Its the best we can

do with what we have to use.

 

And .. that leaves a choice of NOT adding a synthetic preservative to

this or that cosmetic product .. or taking the chance of causing a

different form of harm to a user .. and possibly to ourselves.

 

> }{ugs,

> Josh

 

I too wish life was as I want it to be rather than how it really is.

 

But .. we must be alert to get in on the ground floor of stock issues if

and when someone comes up with a LEGITIMATE, SAFE, EFFECTIVE, NATURAL

preservative .. which ain't happened yet!

 

Y'all keep smiling. :-) Butch http://www.AV-AT.com