EO Injections .. Was Therapeutic Actions of EO - LONG

[Guest guest]

To reply to a couple of points made by Michel:

 

1. Anyone who uses untried and untested methods of administering

health treatments IS a quack. I do not care if they are qualified as

a doctor or not. In the USA you have plenty of doctors offering quack

complementary medicine treatments. One such web site was on this

group recently where all the advisory board were doctors, but the

treatments were completely unverified. In the case of these claimed

injections with essential oils I do not know of any verified

research. If this work were valid medical research it would be

published for certain, but it never is.

 

2. Michel said:

>Martin is in MHO a bit too severe towards France<

Ok, so lets make a list of some of the misleading information

originating from France:

 

Do the French produce the best essential oils?

Not true, the best lavender oil, roman chamomile oil and peppermint

oil have ALWAYS been produced in England and still are. I have

historical data on that proving this statement if anyone wants it.

The French producers have been adulterating their lavender oil since

the year dot! That even applies to some of their farmers. I know

someone who tried going to French law when he was ripped off by a

farmer and the French justice system is loaded against foreigners

suing their nationals. The most reliable Rose oil or absolute comes

from Turkey and Egypt, but you will find AT suppliers trying to fool

you that their " Rose De Mai " oil comes from France. Yeah, imported

from Turkey and reprocessed in a chemical plant in France!!

 

Can you trust French oil suppliers?

You can't even trust your own eyes in France. There are distilleries

there where real lavender plants come in the front door and visitors

see the distillation. However, in their back yard are the drums of

ho leaf oil and the chemical that converts the linalool in ho oil

into linalyl acetate, all so the genuine oil can be " stretched " .

 

Do they not supply organic certified and wildcrafted oils?

Many French suppliers claim all of their oils are organically grown

or wild crafted. Some even show aromatherapists the areas where they

gather wild plants. What these therapists are not told is that the

same producers also buy oils from normal commercial sources,

particularly when they run out of their local supplies. Do they

tell their customers they are selling standard commercial oils - do

they heck!

 

Sales policy:

French suppliers will buy oils on which there is no safety,

therapeutic or chemical data and resell them ONLY to cottage industry

aromatherapy suppliers who are so gullible they will buy anything

coming from France!

 

That said, I would not wish it to be inferred that there are no

genuine essential oil produced in France, as I know there are. The

big problem is knowing who you can trust and that is a very big

minefield.

 

Safety data:

As someone who has published that for years I have supplied my manual

to several producers in France who had no idea such data existed.

Rather surprising when many seem to think France was the home of

essential oils used in therapy! I even have a copy of a letter from

a French Pharmacist who teaches for one oil supplier there. In that

letter he states " there is no reason why Verbena oil cannot be used

neat on the skin " . This letter was sent to an aromatherapist I know

who queried what she was taught in one of their classes. This is

evidence that the French aromatherapy world ignores all International

accepted safety precautions. This is despite the big French

fragrance houses having a great deal of specialists in the area of

safety who have contributed to numerous good scientific studies. The

French aromatherapy scene has never kept up with what their own REAL

essential oils experts know.

 

French aromatherapy training:

It stinks, the training materials I have seen are just appalling,

including that from a well-known doctor. That information goes back

years and indicates a complete lack of knowledge on safety issues.

Those materials prove that the therapeutic effects were invented

based on the chemical profile of phoney oils by those who had no

knowledge of real essential oil chemistry. Much of that material can

be found in Gary Young's early book which dates back years before the

conference Michel referred to. The French source book for Gary Young

was not even fully written by the claimed author as Michel admitted

years ago, the copy of that email to IDMA I still have.

 

Wrong chemistry:

The French are responsible for much of the dreadful chemistry taught

in aromatherapy around the world. Much of that is wrong because

those who invented it had no training in phytochemistry, also they

had no knowledge of the larger International trade in essential oils

and their real chemistry. One of those so-called 'experts' invented

the ridiculous energies system that is still being taught in

aromatherapy despite it having been discredited years ago.

 

Shady business practices:

 

French and Belgian oil suppliers who ripped off a new distiller in

the Seychelles by selling them a rusty old still when they had paid

for a new one. Don't think they ever got their money back.

 

Those who take therapists on conducted tours showing them oil-

yielding plants being grown, but not telling them that is NOT what

they will get when they go home.

 

Visiting a so called 'expert' French herbalist who learnt all they

know from books, not from traditional uses or from proper training.

 

Those who sell essential oils to aromatherapists despite analysis

proving that nothing is known about the oil.

 

Those who sell Ravensara grown in France!!!! Atlas cedar grown in

France!!!, etc.

 

Those who set up websites providing clinical information which is

illegal in France as in most of the rest of Europe, but of course the

Americans don't know that do they!

 

Boy I better stop here although I do know a lot more. I am not anti

French as such but what I am against is the sinister influence a tiny

group of French con artists have had on aromatherapy around the

world. Other countries have their fair share of con artists in

aromatherapy, but much of their hype is traceable back to French

sources.

 

Martin Watt

http://www.aromamedical.com

 

 

, Michel Vanhove <michel@n...>

wrote:

>

> Martin discussed this once on list. He wrote:

>

> >

> >

> >>These doctors do not practise within the French health care

system so

> >>their results and failures are scrutinized by no one. The

experiments

> >>are not published in any reputable medical journals. Therefore

it is

> >>without a doubt quack medicine. Where do you think Gary Young

got all

> >>his ideas from - FRANCE!!!!! Martin

> >>

>

> Hi Chris,

>

> Michel from France here. I know of many different oral uses,

> pharmaceutical preparations, gynecological uses of essential

> oils /and/or hydrolates, but never heard of injections!

> I have friends who are regular doctors here in France, prescribing

> essential oils and hydrolates as many other regular doctors do,

without

> being quack doctors at all.

> France is, whatever idea Anglo-saxons may have, a very strong

regulated

> country, with a lot of restrictions regarding illegal practice of

> medicine, they jail you first and talk later...

> Different essential oils are even forbidden, only to be sold in

pharmacy:

> cedar wood oil, absinth (understandable!), anise and fennel oil,

sage

> oils, hyssop...

> This is not the case in my country, Belgium, or in Germany and The

> Netherlands...

>

> Martin is in MHO a bit too severe towards France, I know he does

not

> like many French aromatherapy teachers, but he should

> not consider them all alike.

> Regarding Gary Young: he already had his " special " ideas before

coming

> to France.

> I witnessed his " show " in Grasse once, and since we (members of the

old

> idma list) already wrote a lot about his dangerous practice, I

> personally questioned Doctor Penoel about this during the Grasse

> aromatherapy meeting.

> Most people listening to GY's presentation did not take him very

> serious, considered him just " another American curiosity " ...

>

> Regards from France,

>

> Michel Vanhove

[Guest guest]

Thank you for all the info Martin,

 

It is quite sad to see such corruption in this small industry - from

anywhere (France, Bulgaria, Gary Young, etc ...) . Many people trust

France in the Aromatherapy field, since there is so much history there

in the use of plant matter and fragrance. Too bad there are bad apples

that have to ruin the bunch for everyone

 

Please keep us informed about these matters! Shedding light on those

operating in shady corners is the only way to drive them away!

 

*Smile*

Chris (list mom)

http://www.alittleolfactory.com

 

 

 

 

aromamedical2003 [aromamedical-2]

 

 

To reply to a couple of points made by Michel:

 

1. Anyone who uses untried and untested methods of administering

health treatments IS a quack. I do not care if they are qualified as

a doctor or not. In the USA you have plenty of doctors offering quack

complementary medicine treatments. One such web site was on this

group recently where all the advisory board were doctors, but the

treatments were completely unverified. In the case of these claimed

injections with essential oils I do not know of any verified

research. If this work were valid medical research it would be

published for certain, but it never is.

 

2. Michel said:

>Martin is in MHO a bit too severe towards France<

Ok, so lets make a list of some of the misleading information

originating from France:

 

Do the French produce the best essential oils?

Not true, the best lavender oil, roman chamomile oil and peppermint

oil have ALWAYS been produced in England and still are. I have

historical data on that proving this statement if anyone wants it.

The French producers have been adulterating their lavender oil since

the year dot! That even applies to some of their farmers. I know

someone who tried going to French law when he was ripped off by a

farmer and the French justice system is loaded against foreigners

suing their nationals. The most reliable Rose oil or absolute comes

from Turkey and Egypt, but you will find AT suppliers trying to fool

you that their " Rose De Mai " oil comes from France. Yeah, imported

from Turkey and reprocessed in a chemical plant in France!!

 

Can you trust French oil suppliers?

You can't even trust your own eyes in France. There are distilleries

there where real lavender plants come in the front door and visitors

see the distillation. However, in their back yard are the drums of

ho leaf oil and the chemical that converts the linalool in ho oil

into linalyl acetate, all so the genuine oil can be " stretched " .

 

Do they not supply organic certified and wildcrafted oils?

Many French suppliers claim all of their oils are organically grown

or wild crafted. Some even show aromatherapists the areas where they

gather wild plants. What these therapists are not told is that the

same producers also buy oils from normal commercial sources,

particularly when they run out of their local supplies. Do they

tell their customers they are selling standard commercial oils - do

they heck!

 

Sales policy:

French suppliers will buy oils on which there is no safety,

therapeutic or chemical data and resell them ONLY to cottage industry

aromatherapy suppliers who are so gullible they will buy anything

coming from France!

 

That said, I would not wish it to be inferred that there are no

genuine essential oil produced in France, as I know there are. The

big problem is knowing who you can trust and that is a very big

minefield.

 

Safety data:

As someone who has published that for years I have supplied my manual

to several producers in France who had no idea such data existed.

Rather surprising when many seem to think France was the home of

essential oils used in therapy! I even have a copy of a letter from

a French Pharmacist who teaches for one oil supplier there. In that

letter he states " there is no reason why Verbena oil cannot be used

neat on the skin " . This letter was sent to an aromatherapist I know

who queried what she was taught in one of their classes. This is

evidence that the French aromatherapy world ignores all International

accepted safety precautions. This is despite the big French

fragrance houses having a great deal of specialists in the area of

safety who have contributed to numerous good scientific studies. The

French aromatherapy scene has never kept up with what their own REAL

essential oils experts know.

 

French aromatherapy training:

It stinks, the training materials I have seen are just appalling,

including that from a well-known doctor. That information goes back

years and indicates a complete lack of knowledge on safety issues.

Those materials prove that the therapeutic effects were invented

based on the chemical profile of phoney oils by those who had no

knowledge of real essential oil chemistry. Much of that material can

be found in Gary Young's early book which dates back years before the

conference Michel referred to. The French source book for Gary Young

was not even fully written by the claimed author as Michel admitted

years ago, the copy of that email to IDMA I still have.

 

Wrong chemistry:

The French are responsible for much of the dreadful chemistry taught

in aromatherapy around the world. Much of that is wrong because

those who invented it had no training in phytochemistry, also they

had no knowledge of the larger International trade in essential oils

and their real chemistry. One of those so-called 'experts' invented

the ridiculous energies system that is still being taught in

aromatherapy despite it having been discredited years ago.

 

Shady business practices:

 

French and Belgian oil suppliers who ripped off a new distiller in

the Seychelles by selling them a rusty old still when they had paid

for a new one. Don't think they ever got their money back.

 

Those who take therapists on conducted tours showing them oil-

yielding plants being grown, but not telling them that is NOT what

they will get when they go home.

 

Visiting a so called 'expert' French herbalist who learnt all they

know from books, not from traditional uses or from proper training.

 

Those who sell essential oils to aromatherapists despite analysis

proving that nothing is known about the oil.

 

Those who sell Ravensara grown in France!!!! Atlas cedar grown in

France!!!, etc.

 

Those who set up websites providing clinical information which is

illegal in France as in most of the rest of Europe, but of course the

Americans don't know that do they!

 

Boy I better stop here although I do know a lot more. I am not anti

French as such but what I am against is the sinister influence a tiny

group of French con artists have had on aromatherapy around the

world. Other countries have their fair share of con artists in

aromatherapy, but much of their hype is traceable back to French

sources.

 

Martin Watt

http://www.aromamedical.com