OT: Curiosity ** Was: EO Injections

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Hi Michel,

 

This is an ornery post .. but its from the heart. ;-)

 

>>Wonder why I'm not surprised reading the below?

>

> Dear Butch,

>

> I'm sorry, I need to give more background here, you know that emails

> can't express all the details that you can give when you are in front

> of one another.

 

True it is. Nor do they allow us to show our true feelings when we

write on lists such as this because most readers want to believe that

all is well in the world .. even though that's just wishful thinking.

 

> It's the second time you seem " ...not surprised... " ... do you know me

> so well?

 

Maybe .. maybe not. I think I might know you better than most folks on

this list .. and I might understand you as well as can ever be expected

considering you are a Liberal European and I am a Conservative from a

traditional background in the Southeast USA .. and about as well as a

professional soldier can understand a professional civilian.

 

> Before the list members start thinking that I regard Americans as a

> " curiosity " , just some details:

> I'm definitely not a French, I'm a Dutch speaking Belgian, living in

> France.

 

Good you told them .. I knew this but good it is you told the others.

 

> Since you are not living in your homeland neither, you are probably

> aware of the different ways one country looks at another.

 

True it is .. citizens of all countries are victims of the political

machines operating in their country. I find that many Europeans like to

criticize Americans for what they see as " nationalistic " leanings .. but

in fact, its damn near impossible to be a nationalist in the USA .. we

do, however, have a mentality that can only be understood by living in

the USA for a long time .. and with the right attitude .. that mentality

is known as " Americanism " .. difficult to explain but easy to understand

when you feel it. Immigrants usually pick up on this pretty easily.

 

Here in Turkey I have watched attitudes change to the extreme over the

years .. but Turks are no different than most Europeans .. they follow

the bouncing ball in their attitudes toward Americans .. and they try

(but fail miserably) to differentiate between America and Americans.

 

What they don't understand is that the world does not revolve around the

Republic of Turkey .. this wrong attitude is not unique to Turkey .. its

a norm throughout Europe. Those who have training and experience in

international political military relations understand that each country

and each leader has an obligation to take care of the home front FIRST

and then they can look to helping others. Countries/leaders don't sleep

together all the time .. sometimes there will be a falling out due to a

conflict of interests .. and its all about national interests .. not

about who is right or wrong within the context of those interests.

 

> Sometimes it's amusing, sometimes not.

 

Its amusing when its friendly rivalry .. like we find between the Yanks

and the Limeys .. but not when its a deep seated dislike .. or a feeling

of superiority based on false national pride. For most of my adult life

I considered myself as an international person .. proud of my country

and our Armed Forces and the uniform I wore .. but also I was tolerant

and understanding of the differences between myself and those I worked

with .. in TWENTY-NINE countries.

 

Many years ago I used to drink and joke with Soviet acquaintances about

their system and ours .. and their politicians and ours. As military

men we found commonality that would be difficult for most civilians to

understand .. we both looked at our civilian leaders with contempt!

 

I know that some cultures demand more of their citizens than do others.

I think Turkey and the European Union are such cultures .. the system is

always right. Its unusual if anything creative occurs in such systems.

Folks float along with a feeling of false security due to the cradle to

grave .. womb to tomb .. care that they actually believe is " free " ..

these are intelligent people who should know better. There is no way a

government can provide FREE services to its citizens because governments

are not a salaried entity .. they do not earn money for their labors.

 

Those who make it to the top in such systems are very good at disguising

their feelings but at the same time they accumulate enough inner rage to

make King Kong look like a pansy. Acceptable means of relief from their

frustrations include alcohol, wild driving habits and criticism of other

societies .. this is acceptable behavior for members of societies that

cultivate psychological repression without the citizens understanding

its happening .. where a formal and gentle facade of good manners is the

dam holding back repressed rage and frustration. These folks often have

difficulty understanding the average rambunctious, free willed, cocky

and rebellious American citizen.

 

In Norway folks will not cross the street when the pedestrian light is

red even if they can see for ten blocks that no car is coming .. and on

a street that probably only sees ten cars a day. To act otherwise would

be considered as low class .. so they follow the bouncing ball. They

rarely criticize their government .. the entity that ensures they have a

salary whether they work or not .. even though half of that salary is

taken back as income tax. The entity that taxes cigarettes and alcohol

so heavily that the average citizen can't afford it .. its not a matter

of right or wrong or personal choice because Big Brother always knows

best. But Norway has less than 5 million people .. such a system will

not work when they have 10 million. And such a system is not going to

work in the European Union/EEC!

 

For one to be happy living outside their own country of birth they must

not only understand the norms of that society .. but also be able to

identify with the culture. If one develops an antipathy toward that

culture .. its time to move on because to stay is dangerous .. in more

ways than one. In the last 2-3 years I have found myself becoming less

tolerant of things I deal with on a daily basis here and with those who

have no understanding of what the average American really stands for ..

so I am planning to return to a life that I feel more comfortable with

in the rural United States. I must do this because I've done all I can

to be an honorable guest and I now find it impossible to be true to

myself and be a good ambassador for my country at the same time.

 

Though it has nothing to do with the subject at hand .. I'll comment on

Martin's post concerning educating the public about the realities of AT

and EO. I am tired of trying! Sometimes I feel like a medic with a box

of Band Aids trying to give first aid to a sucking chest wound. I have

stayed in this business as long as I have because there were good folks

who wanted to learn the truth and learn safe use of EO .. and they have

done well in learning this. But its like trying to stop a ship from

sinking by bailing water with a tea cup .. its frustrating and since I

have no desire to subordinate my own personal interests and future to an

impossible task I look forward to getting out of this industry and

letting others take the duty .. and when I'm gone I'll not give it a lot

of thought cause I'll be too busy fishing. ;-)

 

> French people generally have the vision of their Belgian neighbors

> as being a bit stupid...

 

French (and Greek) people generally have a vision of all their neighbors

being a bit stupid .. and beneath them in many other ways. I've worked

closely with military folks from those countries and the ones who are

not mesmerized by the party line will be the first to admit this. Chris

grew up in a neighborhood with many Greek Americans .. I have mentioned

to her before that she would be shocked to see the contrast between the

attitudes of the Greeks in Athens and the Greeks in New York City .. I

am very serious~!

 

> Belgians generally see French people as being very chauvinistic...

 

As do I .. and lately, do many Americans. I also see them as being not

very appreciative of the sacrifices others have made on their behalf.

 

Jacques Chirac had plans to make France the Daddy Rabbit of the EU ..

part of those plans included taking a contrary stand against the USA ..

but the plans backfired. An internal French study, reported in the

Strategic Global Intelligence Report on Europe .. back in May or June

2004, stated that France was its own worst enemy. It blasted France for

consistent failure in not taking its role in the EU seriously .. and

indicated that French attitudes were compromising the nation's political

and economic goals. The report even indicted the nation's culture ..

indicating that French arrogance and lack of work ethic had weakened

their ability to influence the EU and had allowed the UK, Germany and

Spain to emerge in more dominant positions, resulting in decisions that

were not favorable to France. It indicated that French commissioners

were absent from EU meetings more than 20% of the time .. only the

Italians missed more meetings. The report stated that the majority of

the EU commissioners described their French counterparts as arrogant,

haughty and uncooperative. It stated that conducting business in France

was more difficult than in other EU nations .. that French government

officials were more meddlesome and less helpful to foreign businessmen

and that French workers had poor attitudes and limited work ethics. It

went on to say that the political climate was confrontational and more

committed to argument than to finding solutions. Finally, it concluded

that France had squandered its potential power and recovering its status

would require a concentrated effort to control cultural tendencies.

 

France pretends to smooch their EU brethren. If the above is how an

internal French report sees France .. and how the other EU nations see

France .. how the hell can the USA .. who is crapped on by France on a

daily basis .. see them in a better light? There should be no question

in the minds of the man on the street in Paris why only the most Liberal

of blooming idiots in the USA could think we should kiss French butt in

order to get along with them!

 

It might appeal to some on this list to take a Politically Correct stand

and kiss French butt .. but this ol' kuntry boy is not going to do that.

I will never pretend to like people who do not like me .. or nations who

do not like my nation. If they want to play in our ball park then they

must stop peeing on the grass!

 

> I could go on, about Germans or Dutch people,I was amazed to hear from

> Norwegians how they regarded their own neighbors, the Swedish or Danish

> people...

 

I have many good German friends .. families and individuals .. and all

in all I think they still have an attitude of superiority. Truth is,

there is some justification for that if we consider the rest of Europe.

 

As for the Norwegians .. one of the best two friends I have in the world

is a Norwegian professor .. we are literally blood brothers, having made

the cuts after a night of Acquavit. ;-) And I have a half sister who

is Swedish .. Suzanne .. lives in Stockholm. The attitudes between the

Scandinavians is one as I described above .. a friendly rivalry. There

is no end to the jokes they can tell regarding this rivalry.

 

> This stereotypes are reflected in popular jokes.

 

I answer posts from top down .. just saw this line .. and you are 100%

right .. but those jokes are told as humor .. not as disrespect. When a

Brit or a German or a French person tells a joke about the other country

its normally humorous and it reflects a deep seated dislike. They try

to be as politically correct as possible and claim that they are all

brothers of the European Socialist Union .. but down deep there is a

very strong dislike and a lot of mistrust .. not all unjustified.

 

The European Union is trying to force a marriage where there is far too

much diversity .. and to do this they must do away with individuality,

same system we use to build coherence in military units. I believe (and

I hope) I will live long enough to see the EU fall flat on its ass! I

am extremely anti-EU .. with justification.

 

It took the Soviet Union three plus generations to learn that government

cannot force or forge a healthy economy .. rare it is to find anyone who

truly understands how economies really work .. they're smart enough on

Wall Street to understand this .. they don't try to understand why it

works they just operate within the parameters of the system and they

understand that it DOES work .. and it can only be manipulated to a

small degree and then for only short periods of time. It will take the

EU a while to understand the same facts of life. Meantime, there will

be a lot of inequity in the system and a lot of dissatisfaction among

the " dependent " member nations.

 

> I observed that most Europeans (in their jokes) had a stereotype of the

> USA citizens as being a cowboy, or as the uncle Sam, with a lot of money

> in his pocket, trying to buy everything or impressing with the biggest

> or largest item or incredible things.

 

They are not totally wrong to think this way. But what they are missing

is that those " Americans " they are stereotyping are citizens of their

own country .. that's why its hard to be a Nationalist in America. As

Churchill so wisely observed .. the greatness of any country can be

determined in large part by how many want in versus how many want out.

 

> I tried in my email to show the reactions of my French friends towards

> the " show " that Garry Young gave: most of my friends were used to know

> small distillation units, small scale plantations of herbs...

> and there you had Garry Young, showing one slide after another, the one

> more impressing than the other, how he started to distill, followed by

> images of huge new distillation units, fields of herb plantations

> without an end...

 

Understand .. and glad I am that the French are not fooled by that con

artist .. but also, whether or not you intended to let it show .. you

have assimilated well to the French society .. if it were not so you

would not be comfortable there. ;-)

 

As I stated above, I will never try to disguise my disgust for what the

EU is/has done to the independent countries of Europe.

 

> Then he showed up with images of people with cancer he had healed with

> essential oils... all incredible and almost unbelievable for those present.

 

True .. same thing happened here in Istanbul a few years back.

 

> That's the reason they could only shake their heads afterwards.

 

But Gary Young is NOT just another American curiosity .. no more than

the Socialist extremists in many of the European countries represent the

average European person on the street.

 

> That same evening or maybe a day later (it's more than five years ago)

> we were talking a long moment with a man from the region of Seattle I

> believe, and another member of the idma list, I had shared a lot on

> email with her, it was a great joy to meet one another.

> We were comparing samples of peppermint oil and talking about

> distillation units and the quality of oils, as he explained us that

> " In the USA, a truck could enter into the distillation unit... " My

> French friends and me were amazed: impossible! We were used to stills

> of maximum 3000 liters, the average being around 1000 liters.

> He pointed with his finger to the roadside and said that the kind of

> truck he was pointing at could easily enter...

>

> Our reaction was unbelief and laughter, " ,,, you Americans always want

> to have it bigger... " we were shouting.

 

But he was probably right. We have distillation facilities here in

Turkey where trucks enter .. when one is getting only one kilo of Rose

Otto from 4 metric tons of blossoms there is a need for the truck to be

able to back up as close as possible to the distillation units. And the

smallest stills used for hydrodistillation are 4 metric ton stills.

 

> You should read the phrase " another American curiosity " in that context.

 

OK .. but also understand that I see many (most?) of the ridiculous and

totally undemocratic activities of the European Union/EEC/European

Parliament as being a very big curiosity .. and I find it amazing that

those who keep warning folks in the USA to be wary of the possibility of

restrictions on our personal use of natural products can't understand

WHY it can't happen in the USA and WHY it DID happen in the EU. More on

that later! The opinions I will express then have the full concurrence

of ALL the European friends I am in daily contact with. Basically, the

EU is a curiosity .. a nightmare .. and the " opinions " being put out on

a daily basis by the narrow minded " expert " committees are slowly taking

away the rights of Europeans to decide for themselves .. you are slowly

being controlled by a misinformed Big Brother who is going to continue

to legislate the mundane day-to-day activities of your lives.

 

There is no way there will ever be a total understanding between the USA

and the EU .. we are too rebellious to allow government to control us ..

and we still look on with awe .. and little respect .. when our European

cousins allow a bunch of misfits to dictate their daily activities.

 

I also believe there will never be a total understanding between the

various members of the EU .. too much diversity .. its just a matter of

time before the rebellions begin.

 

> Michel

 

Y'all keep smiling. :-) Butch http://www.AV-AT.com

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Butch wrote:

 

As military men we found commonality that would be difficult for most civilians

to understand .. we both looked at our civilian leaders with contempt!

 

So, can't we get the soldiers of the world to unite

and declare World Peace? I am NOT kidding.

It happened in the trenches at the first Christmas

of WWI.

 

As the child of a Jewish father born in the Netherlands in 1943, I am all too

aware of the sacrifice made by

honest soldiers. I just keep thinking there's gotta

be a better way, and as a planet we'd better find

it fast, before our cleverness outstrips our wisdom

even more.

 

Ien aka Pollyanna in the Kootenays

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