Guest guest Posted August 17, 2005 Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 Josh and everyone, Point of fact....flu season in the US only starts after the flu vaccine has started to be administered! Last year, when there was a shortage of flu vaccine (due to contaminated vaccine!) we had the smallest flu outbreak in years....and then we bought vaccine from other countries who had stock, started immunizing anyone and everyone...and you got it, we finally got our BIG flu epidemic! Doesn't take a Rhodes Scholar to connect the dots, does it? And if vaccines worked, why are there outbreaks of measles, mumps, etc. in schools where children are fully immunized? If records were checked, it would show some children recently were recipients of *booster shots* and shed the virus to others who were supposedly *vaccinated against*! I am a no vaccine person...my grandson is 13 and a vaccine nearly killed him when he was 10 months old. And he got single shots up until then, not 6 or 8 combos like they do at one time nowadays. This child is so healthy... I am thankful to the Goddess that he is and will continue to be. My daughter has been a diabetic since age 5. I was young and dumb and there were not nearly the amount of vaccines punched into kids then as now. Each time it was a 360 degree circle - shot, leg swelling, fever, ear infection, antibiotics! This still goes on now with children only to a heightened degree as there are many more shots given. Doctors tell Mothers that this is all a normal reaction and NOT to worry! By age 5 the tetracycline for infections had destroyed the calcium on her teeth and the fevers, vaccines, etc. had fried her pancreas. She has been insulin dependent since age 5. I've done lots of research and connected the dots. The only ones that are coming out untouched in the vaccine debate are the Drs and the Pharma companies and they are lining their pockets with $$$$ plus assuring that down the road, they will have a steady flow of sick children and adults. My animals are never vaccinated and are healthy as can be and live to ripe old ages. My one Siamese cat is 18 and going strong. My 2 outside dogs, never vaccinated, lived to be 19 and 18 years old. Died peacefully in their sleep of old age. I have people coming to me all the time whose animals are vaccinated yearly and are so sick, immune compromised, cancer at the injections sites....... it is sad. Sorry for getting off topic guys, but this is a subject very near and dear to my heart... Sandi BlackKat Herbs http://www.blackkatherbs.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2005 Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 Here are a couple of groups dealing with vac issues. Thought it may be helpful. Kat ADHD_DrugFree- ASD_Kids- Click to join TruthAGAINSTtradition Come join a Christian community dedicated to research and resistance to the Dragons New World Order ---- Ro Cazenave This is the last post I will make on this issue. I was naïve and listened to what docs told me and did immunize my kids. BUT I have 2 very close friends that had normal children with normal development. Our children were the same age we all had our children immunized, but I did it at a different Doc and they used the same one. Both their children had very high fever after immunizing and both now have children that are severely autistic. The 2 kids spoke more before shots than they do now 15 years later! Both my children have learning disabilities. Knowing what I know now, I would never have had them immunized. Blessings, Ro _____ On Behalf Of Blackkat Josh and everyone, Point of fact....flu season in the US only starts after the flu vaccine has started to be administered! Last year, when there was a shortage of flu vaccine (due to contaminated vaccine!) we had the smallest flu outbreak in years....and then we bought vaccine from other countries who had stock, started immunizing anyone and everyone...and you got it, we finally got our BIG flu epidemic! Doesn't take a Rhodes Scholar to connect the dots, does it? And if vaccines worked, why are there outbreaks of measles, mumps, etc. in schools where children are fully immunized? If records were checked, it would show some children recently were recipients of *booster shots* and shed the virus to others who were supposedly *vaccinated against*! I am a no vaccine person...my grandson is 13 and a vaccine nearly killed him when he was 10 months old. And he got single shots up until then, not 6 or 8 combos like they do at one time nowadays. This child is so healthy... I am thankful to the Goddess that he is and will continue to be. My daughter has been a diabetic since age 5. I was young and dumb and there were not nearly the amount of vaccines punched into kids then as now. Each time it was a 360 degree circle - shot, leg swelling, fever, ear infection, antibiotics! This still goes on now with children only to a heightened degree as there are many more shots given. Doctors tell Mothers that this is all a normal reaction and NOT to worry! By age 5 the tetracycline for infections had destroyed the calcium on her teeth and the fevers, vaccines, etc. had fried her pancreas. She has been insulin dependent since age 5. I've done lots of research and connected the dots. The only ones that are coming out untouched in the vaccine debate are the Drs and the Pharma companies and they are lining their pockets with $$$$ plus assuring that down the road, they will have a steady flow of sick children and adults. My animals are never vaccinated and are healthy as can be and live to ripe old ages. My one Siamese cat is 18 and going strong. My 2 outside dogs, never vaccinated, lived to be 19 and 18 years old. Died peacefully in their sleep of old age. I have people coming to me all the time whose animals are vaccinated yearly and are so sick, immune compromised, cancer at the injections sites....... it is sad. Sorry for getting off topic guys, but this is a subject very near and dear to my heart... Sandi BlackKat Herbs http://www.blackkatherbs.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2005 Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 When I was growing up, the only vaccines at that time was for whooping cough, diphtheria, and tetanus. I remember as a grade school kid, taking the Sabine oral polio vaccine. I did get the measles and chicken pox. I remember laying in my parents bed when I had the measles, playing with my colorforms with a pair of sun glasses on. I also had a small pox vaccination on my left leg. By the time my kids were born, it seemed to me, every disease had a vaccination. My three kids were all vaccinated. I didn't give it another thought. To tell you the truth, they'd still get them if they were little again. I feel the diseases can be and is worse in most people than the vaccines. I realize for some kids it turns into a horrible nightmare. My grandson, who's now 11, has Aspurgers and he's bi-polar, and ADHD. Now if it was passed on to him from the vaccines given to my daughter, I don't know that. What I do know is,after the 1980's the vaccines were changed and didn't have any heavy metals in them. I do think everyone has to make the decision that's best for them and their family. To be educated to make an informed decision is a good thing. Julia Graber Girl By Julia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2005 Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 I do agree with you on the flu vaccine. I won't ever get it. I am part of Rotary International, a huge world wide service organization. Paul Harris was the founder, and he began wanting to do something that would make a difference. He began a program called Polio Plus. He and friends traveled the world, administering the Polio vaccine. Today, due to his vigilance, and others who continue his work, we are nearly polio free, WORLD WIDE. There has to be no reported cases in a country for 7 consecutive years before that third world country can be considered polio free. Last year, there were 3 in Afghanistan because we couldn't get in to do our vaccines. In some cases, vaccines can work miracles. In others (the government sponsored vaccines in Africa which are believed to have started the spread of AIDS), they can be deadly. Kirstin --- Blackkat <blackkat wrote: > Josh and everyone, > > Point of fact....flu season in the US only starts > after the flu vaccine has > started to be administered! Last year, when there > was a shortage of flu > vaccine (due to contaminated vaccine!) we had the > smallest flu outbreak in > years....and then we bought vaccine from other > countries who had stock, > started immunizing anyone and everyone...and you got > it, we finally got > our BIG flu epidemic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2005 Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 " What I do know is,after the 1980's the vaccines were changed and didn't have any heavy metals in them. " That's just not true. Here is a list of vaccine ingredients from 1997 Vaccine Ingredients and Contact Info Dawn Winkler Source: 1997 Physicians' Desk Reference Toll Free Numbers can be called to obtain product inserts This is a representative, not a comprehensive, list of the various types of vaccines. Acel-Immune DTaP Diphtheria and Tetanus Toxoids and Acellular Pertussis Vaccine Adsorbed Lederle Laboratories 1-800-934-5556 produced using formaldehyde, thimerosal, aluminum hydroxide, aluminum phosphate, polysorbate 80, gelatin Act HIB Haemophilus Influenzae Type B (Hib) Tetanus Toxoid Conjugate Connaught Laboratories 1-800-822-2463 produced using ammonium sulfate, formalin, sucrose, thimerosal medium: semisynthetic Attenuvax Measles Virus Vaccine Live Merck & Co, Inc. 1-800-672-6372 produced using neomycin, sorbitol, hydrolized gelatin medium: chick embryo DPT Diphtheria and Tetanus Toxoids and Pertussis Vaccine Adsorbed SmithKline Beecham Pharmaceuticals 1-800-366-8900 ext. 5231 produced using aluminum phosphate, formaldehyde, ammonium sulfate, washed sheep red blood cells, glycerol, sodium chloride, thimerosal medium: porcine (pig) pancreatic hydrolysate of casein Energix-B Hepatitis B SmithKline Beecham Pharmaceuticals 1-800-633-8900 ext. 5231 produced using aluminum hydroxide, thimerosal medium: yeast (possibly 5% residual) Havrix Hepatitis A SmithKline Beecham Pharmaceuticals 1-800-633-8900 ext. 5231 produced using formalin, aluminum hydroxide, phenoxyethanol (antifreeze), polysorbate 20, residual MRC5 proteins (from medium) medium: human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue) Biavax Rubella and Mumps Virus Vaccine Live Merck & Co, Inc. 1-800-672-6372 produced using neomycin, sorbitol, hydrolized gelatin medium: human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue) HibTiter Haemophilus Influenzae Type B (Hib) Lederle Laboratories 1-800-934-5556 produced using polyribosylribitol, ammonium sulfate, thimerosal medium: chemically defined, yeast based Fluvirin Influenza Virus Vaccine Medeva Pharmaceuticals 1-888-MEDEVA (716)274-5300 Produced using embryonic fluid (chicken egg), neomycin, polymyxin, thimerosal, betapropiolactone medium: embryonic fluid (chicken egg) FluShield Influenza Virus Vaccine, Trivalent, Types A & B Wyeth-Ayerst 1-800-934-5556 produced using gentamicin sulfate, formaldehyde, polysorbate 80, tri(n)butylphosphate, thimerosal medium: chick embryos IPOL Inactivated Polio Vaccine Connaught Laboratories 1-800-822-2463 produced using 3 types of polio virus, formaldehyde, phenoxyethanol (antifreeze), neomycin, streptomycin, polymyxin B medium: VERO cells, a continuous line of monkey kidney cells MMR Measles Mumps Rubella Live Virus Vaccine Merck & Co., Inc. 1-800-672-6372 produced using sorbitol, neomycin, hydrolyzed gelatin mediums: M & M - chick embryo Rubella - human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue) M-R-Vax Measles and Rubella Virus Vaccine Live Merck & Co., Inc. 1-800-672-6372 produced using neomycin, sorbitol, hydrolyzed gelatin mediums: M - chick embryo R - human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue) Menomune Meningococcal Polysaccharide Vaccine Connaught Laboratories 1-800-822-2463 produced using thimerosal, lactose medium: freeze dried polysaccharride antigens from Neisseria Meningitidis Meruvax II Rubella Virus Vaccine Live Merck & Co., Inc. 1-800-672-6372 produced using neomycin, sorbitol, hydrolyzed gelatin medium: human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue) Mumpsvax Mumps Virus Vaccine Live Merck & Co., Inc. 1-800-672-6372 produced using neomycin, sorbitol, hydrolyzed gelatin medium: human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue) Orimune Poliovirus Vaccine Live Oral Trivalent Lederle Laboratories 1-800-934-5556 produced using 3 types of attenuated polioviruses, streptomycin, neomycin, calf serum, sorbitol Medium: monkey kidney cell culture Pneumovax Pneumococcal Vaccine Polyvalent Merck & Co., Inc. 1-800-672-6372 produced using phenol and capsular polysaccharides from the 23 most prevalent pneumococcal types Imovax Rabies Vaccine Adsorbed Connaught Laboratories 1-800-822-2463 produced using human albumin, neomycin sulfate, phenol red indicator medium: human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue) Rabies Vaccine Adsorbed SmithKline Beecham Pharmaceuticals 1-800-366-8900 ext. 5231 produced using betapropiolactone, aluminum phosphate, sodium ethylmercurithiosalicylate (thimerosal), phenol red medium: fetal rhesus monkey lung cells Recombivax Hepatitis B Vaccine Recombinant Merck & Co., Inc. 1-800-672-6372 produced using thimerosal, aluminum hydroxide medium: yeast (residual < 1% yeast protein) RotaShield Rotavirus Vaccine, Live, Oral, Tetravalent Wyeth-Ayerst Laboratories 1-800-934-5556 produced using 1 rhesus monkey rotavirus, 3 rhesus-human reassortant viruses, sucrose, monosodium glutamate (MSG), potassium monophosphate, potassium diphosphate, fetal bovine serum, neomycin sulfate, amphotericin B medium: fetal rhesus diploid cell line Varivax Varicella Virus Vaccine Live Merck & Co., Inc. 1-800-672-6372 produced using sucrose, phosphate, glutamate, processed gelatin medium: human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue) Chemical Profiles and Definitions, visit www.scorecard.org to investigate chemical profiles Sources: EDF (Environmental Defense Fund) & MME (Mosby's Medical Encyclopdia) Ammonium Sulfate: EDF Suspected - gastrointestinal or liver toxicant neurotoxicant respiratory toxicant Amphotericin B: MME definintion - " a drug used to treat fungus infections. Known allergy to this drug prohibits use. Side effects include blood clots, blood defects, kidney problems, nausea and fever. When used on the skin, allergic reactions can occur. " Aluminum: EDF Suspected - cardiovascular or blood toxicant neurotoxicant respiratory toxicant More hazardous than most chemicals in 2 out of 6 ranking systems On at least 2 federal regulatory lists Beta-Propiolactone: EDF Recognized - carcinogen EDF Suspected - gastrointestinal or liver toxicant respiratory toxicant skin or sense organ toxicant More hazardous than most chemicals in 3 out of 3 ranking systems On at least 5 federal regulatory lists Ranked as one of the most hazardous compounds (worst 10%) to humans Formaldehyde: EDF Recognized - carcinogen, Suspected - gastrointestinal or liver toxicant, immunotoxicant, neurotoxicant, reproductive toxicant, respiratory toxicant, skin or sense organ toxicant, More hazardous than most chemicals in 5 out of 12 ranking systems On at least 8 federal regulatory lists Ranked as one of the most hazardous compounds (worst 10%) to ecosystems and human health Gentamicin Sulfate: an antibiotic Hydrolyzed Gelatin: obtained from selected pieces of calf and cattle skins, de-mineralized cattle bones (ossein) and porkskin Neomycin: an antibiotic Phenol : EDF Suspected - cardiovascular or blood toxicant aka Carbolic Acid, developmental toxicant, gastrointestinal or liver toxicant, kidney toxicant, neurotoxicant, respiratory toxicant skin or sense organ toxicant, More hazardous than most chemicals in 3 out of 10 ranking systems On at least 8 federal regulatory lists Phenoxyethanol: EDF Suspected - developmental toxicant aka Antifreeze reproductive toxicant, Less hazardous than most chemicals in 3 ranking systems Polyribosylribitol: a component of the Hib bacterium Polymyxin: an antibiotic Polysorbate: EDF Suspected - skin or sense organ toxicant Sorbitol: EDF Suspected - gastrointestinal or liver toxicant Less hazardous than most chemicals in 1 ranking system Streptomycin: an antibiotic, Sucrose: refined sugar Thimerosal: EDF Recognized - development toxicant, Suspected - skin or sense organ toxicant Tri(n)butylphosphate: EDF Suspected - kidney toxicant, neurotoxicant, More hazardous than most chemicals in 2 out of 3 ranking systems On at least 1 federal regulatory list. 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Guest guest Posted August 17, 2005 Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 > I am part of Rotary International, a huge world wide > service organization. Paul Harris was the founder, > and he began wanting to do something that would make a > difference. He began a program called Polio Plus. He > and friends traveled the world, administering the > Polio vaccine. Today, due to his vigilance, and > others who continue his work, we are nearly polio > free, WORLD WIDE. There has to be no reported cases > in a country for 7 consecutive years before that third > world country can be considered polio free. Last > year, there were 3 in Afghanistan because we couldn't > get in to do our vaccines. > > In some cases, vaccines can work miracles. In others > (the government sponsored vaccines in Africa which are > believed to have started the spread of AIDS), they can > be deadly. > > Kirstin Kristin, The Chiropractor I work for went to India last fall on a mission trip with a group of students and Doctors. They set up free clinics for the people. She saw more than one child paralized from the polio vaccine and lots of other kinds of vaccine damage. I don't think the reporting the rotory is hearing about is accurate! My Boss won't join rotory because of the things she's seen first hand from their good intentioned work. Samantha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2005 Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 Let rephrase. It's my understanding from the newspapers and world nightly news a few weeks ago, it was stated after the 1980's heavy metal was no longer utilized in vaccinations. If I'm wrong,I'm wrong. I find it hard to believe those two sources are wrong. Never the less, my personal choice would be the same as was over 30 years ago. Contracting the diseases is far worse than getting the vaccines Julia Graber Girl By Julia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2005 Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 Hi Samantha, It's Kirstin, not Kristin. Rotary has reported that India has a few cases, Afghanistan has a handful and one third world country in Africa.. can't remember which one, also has some. We're not quite there yet, but we're close. When I think of how many of my friend's parents in high school had been affected by Polio, and how we're so close to being polio free now... I thank everybody who had a hand in it. It is such a debilitating disease. Frankly, if a small handful of people have a negative reaction to the vaccine, and they are aware of the potential of this, I consider that to be obviously, an awful thing, but well worth the price to pay to have this horrid disease swept from the face of the earth. Kirstin > Kristin, > > The Chiropractor I work for went to India last fall > on a mission > trip with a group of students and Doctors. They set > up free clinics > for the people. She saw more than one child > paralized from the > polio vaccine and lots of other kinds of vaccine > damage. I don't > think the reporting the rotory is hearing about is > accurate! My > Boss won't join rotory because of the things she's > seen first hand > from their good intentioned work. > > Samantha > > > > > > > __ Start your day with - make it your home page http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2005 Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 Hi Julia, Folks, (My last one for the day - I promise It is always good not to use any one source of news as fact, but to look into the issues further - and that goes for ANY source - whether it be mainstream news, alternative news, info sites, etc ... Julia, I totally respect your personal choice to vax, I think everyone should. I also believe that the choice to not vax should be equally as respected. Really what it comes down to is that all the info should be on the table, in plain view, so an informed decision can be either way. *Smile* Chris (list mom - amazed the computer hasn't self desctructed yet http://www.alittleolfactory.com , grabergirlbyjulia@d... wrote: > Let rephrase. It's my understanding from the newspapers and world nightly news a few weeks ago, it was stated after the 1980's heavy metal was no longer utilized in vaccinations. > > If I'm wrong,I'm wrong. I find it hard to believe those two sources are wrong. > > Never the less, my personal choice would be the same as was over 30 years ago. Contracting the diseases is far worse than getting the vaccines > > Julia > > Graber Girl By Julia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2005 Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 I agree it's a personal choice. I totally respect your personal choice to vax, I think everyone should. I also believe that the choice to not vax should be equally as respected. Really what it comes down to is that all the info should be on the table, in plain view, so an informed decision can be either way. That's so true too, have all the info to make an informed decision. I'm not saying people should vaccinate no matter what. I don't berate others who feel differently. Julia Graber Girl By Julia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2005 Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 I believe it was mercury that they took out. Zo > " What I do know is,after the 1980's the vaccines were changed and > didn't have any heavy metals in them. " > > That's just not true. Here is a list of vaccine ingredients from > 1997 > Vaccine Ingredients and Contact Info > > Dawn Winkler > Source: 1997 Physicians' Desk Reference > Toll Free Numbers can be called to obtain product inserts > > This is a representative, not a comprehensive, list of the various > types of vaccines. > > Acel-Immune > DTaP > Diphtheria and Tetanus Toxoids and Acellular Pertussis Vaccine > Adsorbed > Lederle Laboratories > 1-800-934-5556 > produced using formaldehyde, thimerosal, aluminum hydroxide, > aluminum phosphate, polysorbate 80, gelatin > > > Act HIB > Haemophilus Influenzae Type B (Hib) Tetanus Toxoid Conjugate > Connaught Laboratories > 1-800-822-2463 > produced using ammonium sulfate, formalin, sucrose, thimerosal > medium: semisynthetic > > > Attenuvax > Measles Virus Vaccine Live > Merck & Co, Inc. > 1-800-672-6372 > produced using neomycin, sorbitol, hydrolized gelatin medium: > chick embryo > > DPT > Diphtheria and Tetanus Toxoids and Pertussis Vaccine Adsorbed > SmithKline Beecham Pharmaceuticals > 1-800-366-8900 ext. 5231 > produced using aluminum phosphate, formaldehyde, ammonium > sulfate, washed sheep red blood cells, glycerol, sodium chloride, > thimerosal medium: porcine (pig) pancreatic hydrolysate of casein > > Energix-B > Hepatitis B > SmithKline Beecham Pharmaceuticals > 1-800-633-8900 ext. 5231 > produced using aluminum hydroxide, thimerosal medium: yeast > (possibly 5% residual) > > Havrix > Hepatitis A > SmithKline Beecham Pharmaceuticals > 1-800-633-8900 ext. 5231 > produced using formalin, aluminum hydroxide, phenoxyethanol > (antifreeze), polysorbate 20, residual MRC5 proteins (from medium) > medium: human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal > tissue) > > Biavax > Rubella and Mumps Virus Vaccine Live > Merck & Co, Inc. > 1-800-672-6372 > produced using neomycin, sorbitol, hydrolized gelatin medium: > human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue) > > HibTiter > Haemophilus Influenzae Type B (Hib) > Lederle Laboratories > 1-800-934-5556 > produced using polyribosylribitol, ammonium sulfate, thimerosal > medium: chemically defined, yeast based > > Fluvirin > Influenza Virus Vaccine > Medeva Pharmaceuticals > 1-888-MEDEVA > (716)274-5300 > Produced using embryonic fluid (chicken egg), neomycin, > polymyxin, thimerosal, betapropiolactone medium: embryonic fluid > (chicken egg) > > FluShield > Influenza Virus Vaccine, Trivalent, Types A & B > Wyeth-Ayerst > 1-800-934-5556 > produced using gentamicin sulfate, formaldehyde, polysorbate > 80, > tri(n)butylphosphate, thimerosal medium: chick embryos > > IPOL > Inactivated Polio Vaccine > Connaught Laboratories > 1-800-822-2463 > produced using 3 types of polio virus, formaldehyde, > phenoxyethanol (antifreeze), neomycin, streptomycin, polymyxin B > medium: VERO cells, a continuous line of monkey kidney cells > > MMR > Measles Mumps Rubella Live Virus Vaccine > Merck & Co., Inc. > 1-800-672-6372 > produced using sorbitol, neomycin, hydrolyzed gelatin mediums: > M & M - chick embryo Rubella - human diploid cells (originating from > human aborted fetal tissue) > > M-R-Vax > Measles and Rubella Virus Vaccine Live > Merck & Co., Inc. > 1-800-672-6372 > produced using neomycin, sorbitol, hydrolyzed gelatin > mediums: M - chick embryo R - human diploid cells (originating > from human aborted fetal tissue) > > Menomune > Meningococcal Polysaccharide Vaccine > Connaught Laboratories > 1-800-822-2463 > produced using thimerosal, lactose medium: freeze dried > polysaccharride antigens from Neisseria Meningitidis > > Meruvax II > Rubella Virus Vaccine Live > Merck & Co., Inc. > 1-800-672-6372 > produced using neomycin, sorbitol, hydrolyzed gelatin medium: > human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue) > > Mumpsvax > Mumps Virus Vaccine Live > Merck & Co., Inc. > 1-800-672-6372 > produced using neomycin, sorbitol, hydrolyzed gelatin medium: > human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue) > > Orimune > Poliovirus Vaccine Live Oral Trivalent > Lederle Laboratories > 1-800-934-5556 > produced using 3 types of attenuated polioviruses, > streptomycin, neomycin, calf serum, sorbitol Medium: monkey kidney > cell culture > > Pneumovax > Pneumococcal Vaccine Polyvalent > Merck & Co., Inc. > 1-800-672-6372 > produced using phenol and capsular polysaccharides from the 23 > most prevalent pneumococcal types > > Imovax > Rabies Vaccine Adsorbed > Connaught Laboratories > 1-800-822-2463 > produced using human albumin, neomycin sulfate, phenol red > indicator medium: human diploid cells (originating from human > aborted fetal tissue) > > Rabies Vaccine Adsorbed > SmithKline Beecham Pharmaceuticals > 1-800-366-8900 ext. 5231 > produced using betapropiolactone, aluminum phosphate, sodium > ethylmercurithiosalicylate (thimerosal), phenol red medium: fetal > rhesus monkey lung cells > > Recombivax > Hepatitis B Vaccine Recombinant > Merck & Co., Inc. > 1-800-672-6372 > produced using thimerosal, aluminum hydroxide medium: yeast > (residual < 1% yeast protein) > > RotaShield > Rotavirus Vaccine, Live, Oral, Tetravalent > Wyeth-Ayerst Laboratories > 1-800-934-5556 > produced using 1 rhesus monkey rotavirus, 3 rhesus-human > reassortant viruses, sucrose, monosodium glutamate (MSG), potassium > monophosphate, potassium diphosphate, fetal bovine serum, neomycin > sulfate, amphotericin B medium: fetal rhesus diploid cell line > > Varivax > Varicella Virus Vaccine Live > Merck & Co., Inc. > 1-800-672-6372 > produced using sucrose, phosphate, glutamate, processed gelatin > medium: human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal > tissue) > > > > Chemical Profiles and Definitions, visit www.scorecard.org to > investigate chemical profiles > > Sources: EDF (Environmental Defense Fund) & MME (Mosby's Medical > Encyclopdia) > > Ammonium Sulfate: EDF Suspected - gastrointestinal or liver toxicant > neurotoxicant > respiratory toxicant > > > Amphotericin B: MME definintion - " a drug used to treat fungus > infections. > Known allergy to this drug prohibits use. Side effects include blood > clots, > blood defects, kidney problems, nausea and fever. When used on the > skin, allergic > reactions can occur. " > > > Aluminum: EDF Suspected - cardiovascular or blood toxicant > neurotoxicant > respiratory toxicant More hazardous than most chemicals in 2 out of > 6 ranking > systems On at least 2 federal regulatory lists > > > Beta-Propiolactone: EDF Recognized - carcinogen > > EDF Suspected - gastrointestinal or liver toxicant respiratory > toxicant skin > or sense organ toxicant More hazardous than most chemicals in 3 out > of 3 > ranking systems On at least 5 federal regulatory lists Ranked as one > of the most > hazardous compounds (worst 10%) to humans > > > Formaldehyde: EDF Recognized - carcinogen, Suspected - > gastrointestinal or liver toxicant, immunotoxicant, neurotoxicant, > reproductive toxicant, respiratory toxicant, skin or sense organ > toxicant, More hazardous than most chemicals in 5 out of 12 ranking > systems On at least 8 federal regulatory lists Ranked as one of the > most hazardous compounds (worst 10%) to ecosystems and human health > > Gentamicin Sulfate: an antibiotic > > Hydrolyzed Gelatin: obtained from selected pieces of calf and cattle > skins, de-mineralized cattle bones (ossein) and porkskin > > Neomycin: an antibiotic > > Phenol : EDF Suspected - cardiovascular or blood toxicant aka > Carbolic Acid, developmental toxicant, gastrointestinal or liver > toxicant, kidney toxicant, neurotoxicant, respiratory toxicant skin > or sense organ toxicant, More hazardous than most chemicals in 3 out > of 10 ranking systems On at least 8 federal regulatory lists > > Phenoxyethanol: EDF Suspected - developmental toxicant aka > Antifreeze reproductive toxicant, Less hazardous than most chemicals > in 3 ranking systems > > Polyribosylribitol: a component of the Hib bacterium > > Polymyxin: an antibiotic > > Polysorbate: EDF Suspected - skin or sense organ toxicant > > Sorbitol: EDF Suspected - gastrointestinal or liver toxicant Less > hazardous than most chemicals in 1 ranking system > > Streptomycin: an antibiotic, > > Sucrose: refined sugar > > > Thimerosal: EDF Recognized - development toxicant, Suspected - skin > or sense organ toxicant > > Tri(n)butylphosphate: EDF Suspected - kidney toxicant, > neurotoxicant, More hazardous than most chemicals in 2 out of 3 > ranking systems On at least 1 federal regulatory list. > > > > Policies > Copyright © 1999-2004. 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Guest guest Posted August 17, 2005 Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 Zo, Thimerosal is a mercury-containing preservative. Sandi BlackKat Herbs http://www.blackkatherbs.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2005 Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 Considering GWB's choice of reading materials while on vacation, being informed about vaccines might be a very excellent idea and topic of discussion. verrryyy verrryyy interesting. http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/08/17/bush.books.ap/ " The Great Influenza: The Epic Story of the Deadliest Plague in History. " John Barry tells the story of the virus that killed more than 50 million people worldwide in 1918 and argues that the U.S. government ignored the wartime crisis and created conditions that allowed it to thrive. " Salt: A World History. " This best seller by Mark Kurlansky tells the history of salt and how this rock found in nearly every kitchen shaped the world. " Alexander II: The Last Great Tsar. " Apparently a perk of the presidency is getting advance copies of anticipated biographies such as this. The book by celebrated Russian playwright Edvard Radzinsky doesn't go on sale until October. Best regards, Carol _______________________________ Never Accept Only Two Choices in Life. The problems of Today cannot be solved by the same thinking that created them. -Al Einstein. grabergirlbyjulia wrote: I agree it's a personal choice. I totally respect your personal choice to vax, I think everyone should. I also believe that the choice to not vax should be equally as respected. Really what it comes down to is that all the info should be on the table, in plain view, so an informed decision can be either way. That's so true too, have all the info to make an informed decision. I'm not saying people should vaccinate no matter what. I don't berate others who feel differently. Julia Graber Girl By Julia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2005 Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 It probably has something to do with tricky definitions. " We are no longer putting mercury in directly just for fun... now we put in mercury-containing compounds. They aren't heavy metals though, therefore, the vaccine contains no heavy metals. Except for the mercury in the mercury containing compound. But that doesn't count. " Just a guess. Thimerosal, btw, I understand to contain mercury and is still in use. -Josh >Let rephrase. It's my understanding from the newspapers and world >nightly news a few weeks ago, it was stated after the 1980's heavy >metal was no longer utilized in vaccinations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2005 Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 Oh, great. Dang - " Blackkat " <blackkat Wednesday, August 17, 2005 4:21 PM Re: OT - vaccines > Zo, > > Thimerosal is a mercury-containing preservative. > > Sandi > BlackKat Herbs > http://www.blackkatherbs.com > > > > >> > > > > Step By Step Instructions On Making Rose Petal Preserves: > http://www.av-at.com/stuff/rosejam.html > > To adjust your group settings (i.e. go no mail) see the following link: > /join > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2005 Report Share Posted August 18, 2005 Well now Kirstin you can't have it both ways. As long the consumer is advised that this is a risk.....yet vaccination is worded to sound as though it is law to be vaccinated. You have to request - in some cases fight for - exemptions. Mandatory. So what value is there in being informed if you are being forced to go along with the program?? And just who do you feel is the one that needs to be informed here - the parent or the child who is the individual who is actually receiving the vaccination yet is completely vulnerable. They have no voice to speak for themselves. The choice is being made for them. Thirdly, none of my children are showing any damage from childhood vaccines but knowing what I know now they do not receive boosters. Do I feel that someone else's child's suffering is a price worth to pay so that my child has the possibility of not contracting a potentially debilitating disease? Not everyone who contracts these diseases died or was maimed beyond hope. Vaccines do not guarantee that your child does not come down with the illness. That lovely whooping cough made its rounds last year in spite of all these vaccinated children in the US. That statement you made about the price of these children's suffering being worth it just about incensed me. My kids aren't suffering but I sure feel for anyone whose child has the ill effects of these vaccines. On a tangent there was a time when even if someone did suffer in such a way the community could pull together, help, nurture. We no longer value such caring. When it happens it makes news. It's a human interest story. How sad. Perhaps the vaccinations are a way to get everyone else to pay for the possibilities of minimizing the cases of people in the USA who might turn to government assistance for disability. Then there is of course all the legislation being passed to cap vaccine liability..... I don't believe this is a case of respect each other's choices. Those who choose not to vaccinate are being attacked, vilified. Their rights to choose for themselves are being chipped at. Were it a matter of choice there would not be confusion and misinformation about vaccines being legally required. Just recently I read a pediatric web article that lauded our higher vaccination rights. The article said that their data showed that minorities have lower vaccination rates than whites. It's future goals were to increase vaccinations among the minority community. It said nothing about any correlation to disease stats and any CDC stats. Nothing about whether or not those communities were suffering due to a lower incidence of vaccination. It was all about how to keep getting people vaccinated. Do a search on the web...lots of chatter about how to increase vaccination rates in the U.S. but no information about why the no vaccine choosers or the supposedly low rates are actually hurting anyone. Dale " To know the way ahead ask those coming back. " - Ancient Chinese Proverb www.independentchildbirth.com Self care? We recommend www.aromamedical.com for those who like their information without the hype! Support the UFW and boycott Gallo wines. - Frankly, if a small handful of people have a negative reaction to the vaccine, and they are aware of the potential of this, I consider that to be obviously, an awful thing, but well worth the price to pay to have this horrid disease swept from the face of the earth. Kirstin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2005 Report Share Posted August 18, 2005 [Discussion Group] The Monkey Virus and the Vaccine|||Inbox Dear Doctors: I have read every page of this incredible book during my flight to lecture on anti-aging concepts using RNA based NutriSwitch therapies in Moscow, Russia. This is a must read if you are going to become fully able to master the concept that is now inherent in my approach to every health problem that of treating the TOTAL BODY BURDEN OF PATHOGENS. This has become as important as dealing with our total body burden of pesticides and toxic metals, for which I have to rely on things like Essential Daily Defense etc. Only if you become aware of how our government has openly suppressed every top scientist who dares to link our polio vaccines to Cancer incidence world wide will you be able to help your patients make the intelligent decision to first use every non-toxic approach for their health problems and defer the use of most allopathic approaches until all else has failed. This book documents corruption to the top of the National Institutes of Health and will help you not have an autistic child in your family if you see just how corrupt medical science in America has become. I know that everything points to living longer and healthier with less cancer, heart disease and Alzheimer's disease if we use a safe anti-inflammatory such as the RNA based Health Foundation and Stress formulas. To learn where some of this inflammation comes from, we need to appreciate our body's total burden of pathogens, for which I take my 4-5 Tsp daily of Beyond C (16-20 Gm daily). I combine them with RNA products that safely do what Celebrex, Vioxx or Ibuprofen try unsuccessfully to do that is deal with all forms of inflammation from IL-1 and 6 to CRP and VCAM and ICAM'S and Fibrinogen and cyclo oxygenases etc. While taking enough Vitamin C, as explained in the book by Dr Levy, to help control these infections for which there is not safe or effective therapy available today. None of you thought until reading this book that you carry a monkey virus and that we all got this from the polio vaccinations, raised on monkey kidneys. I agree with Dr Mercola, get Dr Tenpenny's expose on vaccinations to learn the truth. It is frightening but your life may depend on your becoming fully informed! Sincerely, Garry F. Gordon MD, DO, MD(H) President, Gordon Research Institute www.gordonresearch.com From www.mercola.com The Polio Vaccine Linked to a Cancer-Causing Monkey Virus: A Revealing Interview With the Authors of " The Virus and the Vaccine " Dr. Mercola's Comment: If you read the review of " The Virus and the Vaccine " in the last newsletter, you'll know that I highly recommend The Virus and the Vaccine to anyone looking for an intriguing, intelligent read, but especially to anyone who received the polio vaccine during the 1950s and 1960s or who is experiencing an unexpected and unexplainable cancer. It's truly a shame that this " medical blunder " could have essentially exchanged one poison for another, infecting healthy people with a carcinogenic virus in the name of disease prevention. To give a brief synopsis, the book tells the story of how the polio vaccine, still mandatory in the United States and typically given four times during a child's first 16 months of life, during the 1950s and early 1960s, was widely contaminated with the monkey virus, SV40, which had gotten into the vaccine during the manufacturing process. In lab tests the virus was found to cause several different types of cancer, including brain cancer, and now SV40 is showing up in a variety of human cancers such as lung, brain, bone and lymphatic. The virus is even showing up in children too young to have received the contaminated vaccine, which raises even more questions that are addressed in the book. If you are compelled to learn more about protecting your health and the health of your loved ones from the dangers of vaccines, a powerful resource is Vaccines: What CDC Documents and Science Reveal, a two-hour video by world-renowned vaccine expert Dr. Sherri Tenpenny. The video is the culmination of Dr. Tenpenny's three-year investigation into the real story behind vaccines. What follows is an e-interview we recently held with " The Virus and the Vaccine " authors Debbie Bookchin and Jim Shumacher, in which they expand on many facets of this intriguing work. 1. " The Virus and the Vaccine " is based on an article that was published in Atlantic Monthly in February 2000. Why did you decide to turn the article into a full-length book? During the course of researching the Atlantic Monthly article, we became very intrigued with the " history " of SV40: Why monkey kidneys, which are replete with unwanted viruses, came to be the substrate of choice for making polio vaccine in the 1950s and 1960s; what happened when SV40 was first discovered in the vaccine 1961; and why, because of government inaction and intransigence, it took more than 35 years for the scientific world to seriously study the virus's carcinogenic effects on humans. These were all issues that needed more explication than we felt we could provide within the context of a magazine piece. It was also important to us that the handful of men and women who were bold enough to proclaim in the early 1960s a profoundly unpopular truth--that America's premier vaccine was contaminated with a dangerous virus--be finally given their due. We wanted a chance to acknowledge their courage and perspicacity. There were other reasons as well. We wanted to present in much greater detail the " hard " science that explains how SV40 causes cancer, and thus help readers to understand why this virus should be taken seriously as a public health issue. And, we wanted a chance to tell many more of the human interest stories that lie behind this science--the personal anecdotes of the men and women who made these groundbreaking discoveries about SV40. A book gave us a chance to describe to a lay audience the context in which crucial medical research is performed today, including how personalities and predilections shape such research--topics that do not get enough attention in the media, especially when it comes to health issues. As we tell in the book, why SV40 was neglected as a health threat for so long and then " rediscovered " decades later--and why the U.S. government continues to oppose SV40 research--is not only an interesting scientific tale, but offers great insight into how political agendas and profit motives sometimes can distort public health policy. 2. Who would benefit from reading this book? The SV40 contamination of the polio vaccine most directly affects Baby Boomers, almost 100 percent of whom received potentially contaminated Salk vaccine as children (between 1954 and 1963). But the book is relevant to every American, young or old. If you are concerned about your health or the health of your families and friends, you should read this book because it raises a critical public health question: As long as vaccine use is mandated by government, doesn't the government have an obligation to guarantee vaccine safety and purity? Sadly, the history of the SV40 contamination of the polio vaccine suggests that at times the government has failed to meet this fundamental public health responsibility. 3. Do you know of any recourse a person who may have been given the contaminated polio vaccine, or who suspects they have a cancer linked to SV40, can take? Unfortunately, there's still not an easy-to-use screening or diagnostic test for the presence of SV40, such as those available for HIV, the virus that causes AIDS. As we detail in our book, lack of government funding for SV40 research has hampered this and other basic research on the virus, including how it spreads, how many people are infected, and whether it is associated with other tumors in addition to the four types (mesothelioma, bone and brain cancers, and non-Hodgkins lymphomas) to which SV40 has been most commonly linked. However, tests are available that can detect the presence of SV40 in these and other tumors. Leading SV40 researchers, as we describe in the book, are currently investigating how it may be possible to fight SV40-related cancers by targeting the SV40 in tumors. Certainly patients who suspect they have a tumor linked to SV40 should talk to their caregivers and consider all treatment options, including testing for the presence of SV40. 4. What was the most shocking piece of information you uncovered while writing " The Virus and the Vaccine " ? There is much that is dismaying about the story of SV40, not the least of which is that the zeal of U.S. health officials to protect the reputation of the polio vaccine has led to a 40-year pattern of official disavowal by the NIH of the dangers posed by the virus. At times, that has included retribution against government scientists who have questioned this stance. For instance, NIH officials essentially blacklisted one government scientist, Bernice Eddy, who went public in 1960 with the news that her research was showing that the polio vaccine was contaminated with a potentially carcinogenic substance. That same attitude continued decades later. As we describe in our book, when an NIH scientist, Dr. Michele Carbone, first made the link between SV40 and mesothelioma in 1994, the reaction of high-level government officials was to try to suppress news of his discovery. Carbone eventually left the NIH because of the pressure; he has gone on to make discovery after discovery about SV40 and how it causes human cancer. This official heavy-handedness in defense of the reputation of a government-mandated vaccine has not been limited just to attempts to stifle SV40 research. What truly shocked us was to realize that senior U.S. health officials had actively resisted efforts to make polio vaccine safer, including refusing to recall SV40-contaminated vaccine stocks in 1961, thus needlessly exposing millions more Americans to the virus. Worse, this continued exposure to SV40 was unnecessary. As early as 1962, a viable alternative method to make polio vaccine--which did not use monkey kidneys and absolutely eliminated any possibility of contamination of the vaccine by SV40 or other unwanted viruses--was available for commercial vaccine production. However, this far safer vaccine production method was rejected by U.S. health officials. Meanwhile, countries in the Eastern Bloc, France, the United Kingdom and Canada, licensed polio vaccine production methods using this safer alternative during the 1960s, `70s and `80s, reasoning that after the SV40 contamination, there was no reason to risk another simian virus contamination scare. U.S. vaccine regulators continued to oppose the new method. Protecting the reputation of the U.S. polio vaccine and the polio vaccine manufacturer (which continued to use monkey kidneys) seemed to be of far greater concern to these officials than protecting the health of American consumers. As we document in the book, the upshot of this intransigence was that U.S. vaccine may have been contaminated with SV40 at several different points in time, including as recently as the 1990s-- perhaps explaining why the virus is showing up in the tumors of children and young adults who never received Salk vaccine in the 1950s and 1960s. Fortunately, since 2000, all polio vaccine used in the United States is manufactured in Canada, using a method that eliminates the possibility of any SV40 contamination. 5. You write that " The Virus and the Vaccine " compels us to reconsider our headlong rush to meddle with the basic mechanics of life. Other than with the polio vaccine and SV40, where do you think this statement most applies? A: We think the story of SV40 and the polio vaccine stands as a cautionary tale: Scientific breakthroughs, no matter how well intended, can lead to unforeseen consequences that may far outlast the problems they originally intended to solve. During the 1950s, only a few scientists were alarmed when they realized that monkey viruses were probably contaminating the polio vaccine. Wiping out polio was more important than worrying about animal viruses, which, according to accepted scientific wisdom, could not jump species and prove dangerous to humans. And so, hundreds of millions of Americans and hundreds of millions more around the world were exposed to a cancer-causing virus. Today, in an age of HIV, SARS, avian flu and West Nile virus we sadly now know exactly how dangerous animal viruses can be and the nonchalance of 50 years ago about the subject seems misguided and dangerously naive. Today, our society has jumped straight into an unquestioning embrace of many new biological technologies such as cloning, xenotransplantation and genetic engineering. Many other biotech wonders are doubtless still to come. We hear much of the great promise of these advances and little of the potential pitfalls. Rather than wait 40 or 50 years to find out what might go wrong, we should be far more skeptical and demand answers from those who proffer these new technologies as cure-alls. What happens to all the genetically engineered plant life, and soon, animal life, we have already let loose into the environment? What happens when we have herds of cloned animals and start using them (or products from them) as foodstuffs? These are the kinds questions that have been scarcely researched, yet could have far-reaching consequences for the health of generations to come, and ultimately for the health of our planet. 6. Do you believe other vaccines may be at risk of similar contamination? In the conclusion of our book, we document a handful of other contamination issues that have arisen over the years with U.S. vaccines. We strongly believe that U.S. consumers (and doctors) should start demanding better regulatory and safety oversight by the federal government over vaccine manufacturing. As in the case of polio vaccine, we (and many consumers and scientists) would argue it is possible to make vaccines that pose minimal risk of contamination from unwanted viruses, bacteria, or do not need to use preservatives such as thimerosal (a mercury-containing compound). Joshua Alexander <listservs wrote:It probably has something to do with tricky definitions. " We are no longer putting mercury in directly just for fun... now we put in mercury-containing compounds. They aren't heavy metals though, therefore, the vaccine contains no heavy metals. Except for the mercury in the mercury containing compound. But that doesn't count. " Just a guess. Thimerosal, btw, I understand to contain mercury and is still in use. -Josh >Let rephrase. It's my understanding from the newspapers and world >nightly news a few weeks ago, it was stated after the 1980's heavy >metal was no longer utilized in vaccinations. Step By Step Instructions On Making Rose Petal Preserves: http://www.av-at.com/stuff/rosejam.html To adjust your group settings (i.e. go no mail) see the following link: /join Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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