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On Nov 21, 2005, at 11:38 PM, Butch Owen wrote:

 

> I think I am probably older than you ..

 

Thankee sir, glad that you are ;-) Someone has to be and it's becoming

less common these days...

 

 

> and I remember working in a

> motel during HS for 25 cents an hour ..

 

 

Does anyone recall that old Monty Python bit about this?

 

 

> but if I were to put even $30 an

> hour on my time my company would close in a week. 

 

Yeah, yeah, and I'm getting so rich and got my feet up while y'all are

suffrin' ;-P

Lol.

 

NOTE to ALL: I was not talking about charging for time in general, lol,

HA! I would be rich. This rate I mentioned is a cost for a product re-

formulation based on time- which is less than charging a new formula

fee. It is not much money at all. Everything has a context. We all work

too hard in this business if this is how we make a living. Still, I am

grateful for all of it and I know you all who suffer with me....enjoy

it too.

 

Have fun,

 

Elizabeth

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Just so I am understood, I was not trying to tell anyone how to charge, just

do what is right for you in your area. Have fun, make a living and do what

is right for you!! Butch, I will conceed on the age, but you know how women

lie about their ages! <G>

Gayla Roberts

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Hey Gayla .. Elizabeth .. other good folks ..

 

> Let this be a heads up for everyone! In my post, I suggested charging what

> was a fair price for your time ($30/ hr, $60/hr or whatever was fair). In

> Elizabeth's post, she charges $100/hr. So please remember I am older and

> remember the beginning of the minimum wage ($1/hr!) and think VERY

> conservatively on money. I am way, way out of touch with what some things

> really cost. Listen to Elizabeth on charging, not to me! <laughing!>

 

I think I am probably older than you .. and I remember working in a

motel during HS for 25 cents an hour .. but if I were to put even $30 an

hour on my time my company would close in a week. I average 70 hours a

week now .. was a time it was 100 +. This time is between confirming

orders, answering on and off line posts and trying to manage from across

the sea. I do this cause I like it and I can pull enough each month to

cover my basic living expenses here in Turkey .. but I could pull MORE

each month if I quit NOW and took early Social Security. I am holding

off ONLY because I was recently married .. I originally had plans to

retire at the end of December.

 

Was a time I used to clear more in 3 days than I clear in a month now.

Granted .. they were also 12-15 hour days X 7 day weeks .. but now I

work for myself and I like the work more .. that counts for something IF

you are not in a bind to pay bills just for living.

 

My advice to anyone who can pull down $20 an hour for their labor in

this business is .. GROW .. GROW .. GROW .. and that means extending

your line and hiring some help. I operate as competitively as possible

and still keep the doors open .. and 3 folks employed in an economically

depressed area of Appalachia .. I'm satisfied with what we're doing but

would obviously like to do more .. if possible. I'm not operating an

expensive hobby nor am I depending upon the income from my company to

keep the wolf away from my door. My advice to those who think they must

stay open to keep the wolf away is .. be realistic in your expectations

of what the natural products industry can do for you .. or .. get a good

steady job at McDonalds or Wendys. ;-)

 

> Gayla Roberts

> Always Enough Ranch, Acampo, California

> www.bouncinghoofs.com/alwaysenoughhobbysale.html

 

 

Y'all keep smiling. :-) Butch http://www.AV-AT.com

 

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[Guest guest]

At 05:13 PM 11/21/2005, you wrote:

> I'm not operating an

>expensive hobby nor am I depending upon the income from my company to

>keep the wolf away from my door. My advice to those who think they must

>stay open to keep the wolf away is .. be realistic in your expectations

>of what the natural products industry can do for you .. or .. get a good

>steady job at McDonalds or Wendys. ;-)

 

Don't take what Butch says as either gospel, or as discouragement.

 

for the first three years that Nature's Gift was open...it was a hole the

money went down.

 

But since then not only have I become 'self supporting through my own

contributions' but there are two other full time employees and six or seven

part timers who are all keeping the wolves from our collective doors.

 

are we any of us getting rich? heavens no.

 

But we are able to avoid getting a 'real job'...

 

several of my part timers are collecting disability insurance, and limited

in the amount of hours they can work or in the work they can do. Some are

mothers of school aged children who need " mother's hours " ... one is a high

school coop student... one is a college student available two or three days

a week.

 

the full timers (me included) all work way too hard and too long...but it's

worth it!

 

 

 

 

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