Determining Pricing ** Quality + Origin + Competition + This & That = Price]

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Hi Butch and Other Good Folks,

 

Sadly there isn't much close to me to get quality.

Well I sold it and at times still do.

Just its hard for many customers to know the difference.

They are looking for pricing.

See below for a local store that claims to sell EO's.

 

 

>(Snipped)

 

>It might surprise some to know how many people selling oils have NO

IDEA at all what they are selling .. they know nothing about the products ..

and in some cases .. they don't care about learning. We have to

>compete with these folks .. like it or not.

 

>(Snipped)

 

>Anyway .. for retail sales .. me and all the other professional dealers

gotta compete with the prices of folks who should not be considered as

credible competitors .. we have to do this due to a lack of knowledge

in many (not all) retail buyers. This is rarely the case with wholesale

buyers (in my case one must be a seller of products to purchase from my

wholesale site) because they are NOT running an expensive hobby and

>must pay close attention to what they do if they wanna stay in business.

 

(We carry Over 30 Essential Oils)

Each are 100 % pure

 

Almond-helps relieve muscle aches & pains.

Anise-helps to clear up respiratory system.

Banana-appetite suppressant.

Basil-increases positivity.

Benzoin-a fixative.

Bergamont-up lifting.

Black Pepper-increases endurance.

Cardamon

Cedarwood-helpful with anxiety.

Cinnamon-gives warmth.

Chamomile-soothes.

Clary Sage-heightens desire.

Clove-alleviates pain.

Cucumber-relieves puffiness.

Eucalyptus-relieves sinus congestion.

Frankincense-stimulates spiritual energy.

Ginger-digestive aid.

Grapefruit-up lifting & anti depressant.

Jasmine-helps in keeping a light attitude.

Juniper-helps relieve urinary infections.

Lavender-calms and eases tension.

Lemongrass

Lemon Verbina-helps mental process.

Mandarin-calming.

Marjoram-sedative.

Mugwort-helps relieve PMS symptoms.

Myrrh-sedative on the nervous system.

Neroli

Nutmeg

Oakmoss-provides respiratory relief for children.

Orange-energizes.

Patchouli-creates desire for peace & love.

Peppermint-helps with intestinal relief.

Pine-provides muscular and joint relief.

Rose-seductive & awakens desire.

Rose Geranium-helps in keeping an open atmosphere.

Rosemary-helps relieve minor burns.

Rosewood

Sage-cleanses the air.

Sandalwood-produces a euphoric state.

Spearmint-eases headaches.

Spruce

Tea tree-antibacterial relief.

Vetiver-oil of tranquility.

Wintergreen

Wormwood

Ylang Ylang- creates feelings of security.

 

For prices, refer to Body Oil page

Drams $10 each - (or 3 for $27)

2 dram vial $15 or 3 for $40

(1/2 oz. (bottle) and 1/3 oz. (roller) $20 each - (3 for $55) a 1+ oz. Roller

$40)

 

 

So many people have no idea what they are buying..

I sure know I wouldn't want to buy a EO that came in a roller bottle.

Not to safe in my mind.

 

 

>Y'all keep smiling. :-) Butch http://www.AV-AT.com

 

Keep Smiling ;-) Nancy

 

 

 

 

 

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Hey Mitsy .. other good folks ..

 

This list is growing quickly .. new folks coming on board daily. It

reminds me of back when I was teaching ROTC at Drexel University in

Philadelphia. Every year we'd get in a new crop of maybe 200 Freshmen

MT 1 students.

 

The students were Tabula Rasa .. lots of questions but most were afraid

to ask because it was the first time they'd ever experienced any form of

organized discipline. Not so for the mammas. ;-) Drexel being a real

high cost school attracted students from the upper socio-economic level

of society .. and the mammas wanted to ensure that their little dahlings

were gonna get the best treatment.

 

After a while we knew which questions were gonna be asked .. so .. to

avoid having to spend all our time with the mammas instead of kicking

off instruction to their little dahlings on how to break loose of the

apron strings and stand on their own hind laigs .. we created a booklet

on Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) and passed them out to the families

afore the semester began.

 

This News Group has such a FAQ .. in the archives. One problem we can

run into when searching the archive is subject lines .. its damn hard to

find something when the subject line begins with " I Have a Question " .

But its easy to find it if the subject line is pertinent to the matter

being discussed .. I try to ensure this is the case on my posts and I

recommend others do the same.

 

On Quality vs Cost:

 

Folks know that a 100% polyester suit from Walmart Will Not be the same

quality as a 70% wool suit from a men's shop .. but a 100% polyester

suit from Walmart Will Be the same quality as a 100% polyester suit from

Macys .. though the price might be double at Macys. Are those two suits

(Walmart & Macys) quality suits? If we are evaluating 100% polyester

suits then within that framework the answer is probably yes. But are we

gonna be satisfied with a 100% polyester suit? Got the point?

 

Some folks can't tell the difference twixt a 100% polyester suit and a

70% wool suit .. but lucky we are that the clothing trade has developed

to a point where items are labeled so all we gotta do is read what is

tucked somewhere inside that article of clothing.

 

Unfortunately .. the Essential Oils industry has not developed to such a

level .. sometimes the oils will be labeled and sometimes you're gonna

have to ask. If you don't know what questions to ask .. then you are up

the creek without a paddle .. or maybe even without a boat. ;-)

 

Off the soapbox and to the point of this message. Lately there has been

much discussion on how to price .. and how to determine quality. Below

are some edited clips from a post I made just 3 weeks ago. As for the

subject of quality .. please pay close attention to the portion that

discusses ORIGIN of Essential Oils.

 

 

 

Butch Owen <butchbsi

Sun, 30 Oct 2005 17:30:36 -0800

Determining Pricing ** Quality + Origin +

Competition + This & That = Price

 

 

> When you price your items take into consideration what it costs you,

> your time, and then usually triple that cost to get retail value. Also

> check your local community to see what things sell for. You might be

> able to get more than someone in a different area. Or you might find

> that you can't sell your stuff for as much as others can.

 

Ideally .. twould be nice if we could use such a rule of thumb .. but in

the real world of competition for sale of EO and such .. that's a luxury

I've yet to be able to enjoy. (snipped)

 

> You can also go peek at other's sites to see what people are selling

> their stuff for.

 

Yep .. and you BETTER do this .. you might find out that you are not

able to compete .. might be that you are setting yourself up to run an

expensive hobby. The problem with competition in the EO business is

that everyone is not into quality .. they buy low quality for a low

price and sell low quality for a price less than many of us can buy

quality even with large bulk orders. I was in the commodities business

for a time .. before getting into EO in 1995. Back then .. I would get

requests for quotes and they would include a " target price " . One can

deal with this when selling multi-tons of wheat or Portland cement and

such cause they have access to various stocks and volume can drive the

train when we're talking 300 metric tons and such. But lemme tell you

that when someone tries to sell you EO in bulk and they use such terms

you need to run like a scalded dawg cause they will sell you the level

of quality you are willing to pay for.

 

Nor do many sellers give sufficient information so that a knowledgeable

buyer can make a decision. Even more of a problem for retail sales (but

not for wholesale) is that too many buyers are NOT knowledgeable!

 

Examples .. I (and the other professional companies) have to compete

with folks who sell oils but don't list what we call the " critical " info

about their oils ..

 

Origin .. if we don't not know the Origin of an oil then we know nothing

about it .. or the quality .. or what the price should be. Its not

possible to know that if they don't list the Origin of the oil. Some

Examples .. my Pepper, Black (Piper nigrum) is from Madagascar but the

lower quality oil from India is half the cost .. my Bay Rum (Pimenta

racemosa) is from Jamaica .. the lower quality oil from the Dominican

Republic is half the cost .. my Bergamot is from Italy .. the lower

quality oil from Ivory coast is half the cost and the lower quality oil

from China is a third of that cost .. my Rose Otto is from Turkey .. the

MUCH lower quality Rose Oils from Russia and China are one third of the

cost but not worth one tenth of the cost .. I can go on and on with

other oils but I think you have the point.

 

Date of Distillation .. we can't begin to determine the relative shelf

life (there are no SPECIFIC shelf lives .. depends on proper or improper

storage) unless we know the date of distillation .. not the date of

bottling.

 

Plant Part Used .. knowing the part of the aromatic plant used is very

critical cause different parts of various aromatics can be used and we

get a different product .. and a different cost.

 

Method of Extraction .. knowing the method of distillation or other form

of extraction is also critical because you can get different results

with different (or the same) botanical parts with different forms of

extraction.

 

Botanical Speak .. if one does not speak Botanical names then we can get

shafted by the con artists and there is no shortage of them out there ..

if I could critique half the web sites of those selling oils and had the

power to make them come clean and tell it like it really is .. they

would be very busy critters.

 

(Snipped)

 

It might surprise some to know how many people selling oils have NO IDEA

at all what they are selling .. they know nothing about the products ..

and in some cases .. they don't care about learning. We have to compete

with these folks .. like it or not.

 

(Snipped)

 

Anyway .. for retail sales .. me and all the other professional dealers

gotta compete with the prices of folks who should not be considered as

credible competitors .. we have to do this due to a lack of knowledge in

many (not all) retail buyers. This is rarely the case with wholesale

buyers (in my case one must be a seller of products to purchase from my

wholesale site) because they are NOT running an expensive hobby and must

pay close attention to what they do if they wanna stay in business.

 

Y'all keep smiling. :-) Butch http://www.AV-AT.com

 

Wholesale/Retail GC Tested EO, Tested Hydrosols and other nice things

sent from our store in Downtown Friendsville, MD. Pop: 597