Guest guest Posted January 8, 2010 Report Share Posted January 8, 2010 On the topic of needling, I have recently seen a word “prolotherapyâ€.  Anyone knowing about this addition of herbs into acupoints here, please describe.  Steve --\ ------------------- --- On Sun, 12/27/09, <johnkokko wrote: <johnkokko Re: " Acupuncture needling " ....officially known as " dry needling " as pr Chinese Medicine Sunday, December 27, 2009, 12:39 PM  Z'ev, That got on my nerves too... " promotes false blood-energy meridians " .. .. if they don't want to use the channel theory/ practice of the classics, don't call it acupuncture. Call it " dry-needling " of " trigger-points " and then hire whoever you want to. Why is an acupuncturist, Ted Priebe, championing this anti-acupuncture cause? K On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 8:58 AM, <zrosenbe (AT) san (DOT) rr.com> wrote: > What gets me is this quote: " promotes false blood-energy meridians " . I > hope we're not going to battle in our profession over the nature of channels > and network vessels, or " qi is or is not energy " . Very sad indeed. > > > > > -- "" www.turtleclinic. com www.tcmreview. com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2010 Report Share Posted January 8, 2010 I have been trained in Prolotherapy but we do not use herbs, vitamins B12 and glucose, procaine. I have read where they are now using plasma directly into the joints but I emailed our instructor and he said he never had to do that getting good results with what we already do. The injection into the joint with these agents or into an area where the needle is used to stimulate the production of stem cells and the agents without any preservatives are used as a feed pack for the stem cells. The joints seem to like procaine and there are patients whom do not make good surgical candidates for whatever reason and we can use this technique to help them. A partially torn collateral ligament is an example, of course one could also use electro acupuncture or even just acupuncture and herbs to treat as well. There are a few injecting other things, homotoxicology but I have not heard of actually injecting any herbs. Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology Chinese Medicine stevsgl Fri, 8 Jan 2010 06:38:54 -0800 " Acupuncture needling " ....herbs On the topic of needling, I have recently seen a word “prolotherapy”. Anyone knowing about this addition of herbs into acupoints here, please describe. Steve ------------------------- --- On Sun, 12/27/09, <johnkokko wrote: <johnkokko Re: " Acupuncture needling " ....officially known as " dry needling " as pr Chinese Medicine Sunday, December 27, 2009, 12:39 PM Z'ev, That got on my nerves too... " promotes false blood-energy meridians " .. .. if they don't want to use the channel theory/ practice of the classics, don't call it acupuncture. Call it " dry-needling " of " trigger-points " and then hire whoever you want to. Why is an acupuncturist, Ted Priebe, championing this anti-acupuncture cause? K On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 8:58 AM, <zrosenbe (AT) san (DOT) rr.com> wrote: > What gets me is this quote: " promotes false blood-energy meridians " . I > hope we're not going to battle in our profession over the nature of channels > and network vessels, or " qi is or is not energy " . Very sad indeed. > > > > > -- "" www.turtleclinic. com www.tcmreview. com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 Prolotherapy is a term used to describe the injection of irritant solutions to treat ligamentous and tendinous weakness. When using hypertonic glucose the injection results in cell disruption by osmotic shock which leads to the inflammatory cascade and fibroblast proliferation. It can be very helpful for patients with instabilities. Many other solution are used beside glucose and they work by different mechanism. I have a little section on prolo in my book if your interested. I have never seen information stating procain glucose solution stimulates stem cells. What we have started using is fat cell which contain stem cells combining it with PRP or platelet rich plasma to treat OA. PRP by it self works much better than prolo for OA and for tendinous and meniscal problems. With the addition of fat derived stem cells it even works on OA of the hip 400 29th St. Suite 419 Oakland Ca 94609 alonmarcus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 Us veterinarians were trained by human Medical Doctors, specifically Dr. Magaziner whom uses a guided form of joint injection that is very precise and very expensive. Many of the professors and instructors were there to aid our injections and stimulations with the needle for the proper technique. There are cells right within the areas treated that are stem cells and stem cells are brought to the area in addition to the inflamatory reaction. The technique of using procaine is older amongst prolotherapists newer is the use of plasma but as I said when asked about this, the response was that they are already getting wonderful results without the need for the plasma. Stem cells are part of the reaction already and there is no need for additional ingredients. Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology Chinese Medicine alonmarcus Fri, 8 Jan 2010 21:56:37 -0800 Re: " Acupuncture needling " ....herbs Prolotherapy is a term used to describe the injection of irritant solutions to treat ligamentous and tendinous weakness. When using hypertonic glucose the injection results in cell disruption by osmotic shock which leads to the inflammatory cascade and fibroblast proliferation. It can be very helpful for patients with instabilities. Many other solution are used beside glucose and they work by different mechanism. I have a little section on prolo in my book if your interested. I have never seen information stating procain glucose solution stimulates stem cells. What we have started using is fat cell which contain stem cells combining it with PRP or platelet rich plasma to treat OA. PRP by it self works much better than prolo for OA and for tendinous and meniscal problems. With the addition of fat derived stem cells it even works on OA of the hip 400 29th St. Suite 419 Oakland Ca 94609 alonmarcus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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