Guest guest Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 It is easy to think one has learned Tai Qi. To learn it properly....even the basics.....takes a long time. And there are not that many people who really know Tai Qi or capable of teaching it. Qi Gong will support health much quicker. Richard In a message dated 1/11/2010 7:49:13 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, singlewhip2001 writes: Tai Chi may take many years to master but one can gain great benefits quickly, we dont need to wait to master it to practice IMHO. david _Traditional_Traditional_<WBRTraditional_Tra_ (Chinese Medicine ) , martyeisen@., mar > > Learning Tai Chi is difficult and takes many years. Thus, it seems > impractical form helping most cancers. Qigong is more practical and > there are treatments designed for particular types of cancer - see > Jerry Alan Johnson's book Volume 5 - Chinese Medical Qigong Therapy - > An Energetic Approach to Oncology > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 Learning Tai Chi is difficult and takes many years. Thus, it seems impractical form helping most cancers. Qigong is more practical and there are treatments designed for particular types of cancer - see Jerry Alan Johnson's book Volume 5 - Chinese Medical Qigong Therapy - An Energetic Approach to Oncology Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 Tai Chi may take many years to master but one can gain great benefits quickly, we dont need to wait to master it to practice IMHO. david Chinese Medicine , martyeisen wrote: > > Learning Tai Chi is difficult and takes many years. Thus, it seems > impractical form helping most cancers. Qigong is more practical and > there are treatments designed for particular types of cancer - see > Jerry Alan Johnson's book Volume 5 - Chinese Medical Qigong Therapy - > An Energetic Approach to Oncology > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 Marty, Learning/doing Tai Chi is really potent and the effects are to be felt very quickly. I would strongly reccommend it for cancer patients, Qigong too of course. all the best, Simon Chinese Medicine martyeisen Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:58:53 -0500 Re: Tai Chi for cancer Learning Tai Chi is difficult and takes many years. Thus, it seems impractical form helping most cancers. Qigong is more practical and there are treatments designed for particular types of cancer - see Jerry Alan Johnson's book Volume 5 - Chinese Medical Qigong Therapy - An Energetic Approach to Oncology Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 Way back when....as a student in China I practised Tai Qi with a good teacher, his lineage went way back many generations. As a former rugby player my pose, stance, flexability and overall grace in movement was not pretty, in other words I was lousy. However, just by trying everyday and following best I could I gained immensely in a mental sense especially. I felt such peace of mind and a sense of being happy in my own skin. So there you are...perfection takes a lifetime perhaps but the benefit of Tai Qi is in the moment, perfect or not! Simon Chinese Medicine acudoc11 Mon, 11 Jan 2010 11:09:18 -0500 Re: Re: Tai Chi for cancer It is easy to think one has learned Tai Qi. To learn it properly....even the basics.....takes a long time. And there are not that many people who really know Tai Qi or capable of teaching it. Qi Gong will support health much quicker. Richard In a message dated 1/11/2010 7:49:13 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, singlewhip2001 writes: Tai Chi may take many years to master but one can gain great benefits quickly, we dont need to wait to master it to practice IMHO. david _Traditional_Traditional_<WBRTraditional_Tra_ (Chinese Medicine ) , martyeisen@., mar > > Learning Tai Chi is difficult and takes many years. Thus, it seems > impractical form helping most cancers. Qigong is more practical and > there are treatments designed for particular types of cancer - see > Jerry Alan Johnson's book Volume 5 - Chinese Medical Qigong Therapy - > An Energetic Approach to Oncology > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 Thank you Robert for a correct description and analysis. In a message dated 1/11/2010 1:46:38 PM Pacific Standard Time, chusauli writes: Actually, Tai Ji Quan is a martial art, has some qigong practices, and can be practiced like Qigong. And the term " Qi gong " is a modern term... When I see acupuncturists play Tai Ji after taking one class, it is a joke and not even Tai Ji. It is a pathetic parody of what real Tai Ji Quan is. Unless you have given years to study real Tai Ji Quan and really take the time to master it through push hands training, its perhaps better to call what you are doing as " Qi Gong " ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 I think the practice of Tai chi every day, to keep the body from becoming dis eased is the better way to utilize the success of Tai Chi. Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology Chinese Medicine martyeisen Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:58:53 -0500 Re: Tai Chi for cancer Learning Tai Chi is difficult and takes many years. Thus, it seems impractical form helping most cancers. Qigong is more practical and there are treatments designed for particular types of cancer - see Jerry Alan Johnson's book Volume 5 - Chinese Medical Qigong Therapy - An Energetic Approach to Oncology _______________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390709/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 There are now scientific studies done that show both the use of Tai chi and Qi gong useful in treating cancer. The more information I found, the more it seemed that Qi gong was the more studied. Also, even the NIH has sponsored studies showing successful treatment of cancer in animals from a Master Qi Gong performing external Qi gong, so I would definitely include this practice as part of a plan for treating cancer. There are even video tapes if location and travel or expense would limit the patients ability to participate. Guided imagery should also be part of the plan. Ken Cohen has guided imagery tapes, videos and is also this year, hosting a workshop for teaching external Qi gong for medical practitioners, including veterinarians. I have just completed a Chapter on cancer in a soon to be released text on the use of TCM and have documented the success of both of these as well as yoga on the treatment of cancer. Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology Chinese Traditional Medicine SimonBethel Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:11:17 -0700 RE: Re: Tai Chi for cancer Marty, Learning/doing Tai Chi is really potent and the effects are to be felt very quickly. I would strongly reccommend it for cancer patients, Qigong too of course. all the best, Simon Chinese Medicine martyeisen Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:58:53 -0500 Re: Tai Chi for cancer Learning Tai Chi is difficult and takes many years. Thus, it seems impractical form helping most cancers. Qigong is more practical and there are treatments designed for particular types of cancer - see Jerry Alan Johnson's book Volume 5 - Chinese Medical Qigong Therapy - An Energetic Approach to Oncology Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 Doctors, Please! It is " Tai Ji Quan " or " Tai Ji " , although the familiar Wade-Giles " Tai Chi " is also acceptable! " Tai Qi " is completely wrong (WTH? " Great Air " ?) My suggestion is take a few drills like Tai Ji Qi Shi (Commencement), Yun Shou (Cloud Hands) and Ji and An (Squeezing and Pressing) and do these drills for a number of reps on both sides. You can also add standing positions like Hun Yuan Shi (Return to the Source Posture - looks like hugging a tree), Dan Bian (Single Whip), and Shou Hui Pi Pa (Strumming the Lute), and hold these postures 2 - 3 minutes each. Even without knowing the entire form, they are a great way to practice, even for Cancer patients. Of course, find a real teacher who will teach you more than the disposable Simplified Tai Ji set - one who can teach you the long and short forms, fast and slow forms, push hands and weapons sets (Knife, Sword, Staff and Spear)... Best regards, On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 9:07 AM, Patricia Jordan < coastalcatclinic wrote: > > I think the practice of Tai chi every day, to keep the body from becoming > dis eased is the better way to utilize the success of Tai Chi. > > Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology > > > > > > Chinese Medicine > martyeisen > Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:58:53 -0500 > Re: Tai Chi for cancer > > > > > > Learning Tai Chi is difficult and takes many years. Thus, it seems > impractical form helping most cancers. Qigong is more practical and > there are treatments designed for particular types of cancer - see > Jerry Alan Johnson's book Volume 5 - Chinese Medical Qigong Therapy - > An Energetic Approach to Oncology > > > > > > _______________ > Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390709/direct/01/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 When I studied in 1978 with Cheng Man Ching, then one of his senior students Claire Hooten for several years and then in the 1980's with Robert Sohn it was always a martial art. And the pretty looking thing where people are waiving their hands in the air trying to copy Tai Ji Quan is definitely NOT Tai Ji Quan. In a message dated 1/11/2010 2:26:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, chusa uli writes: In China, those who are considered the authorities of Tai Ji Quan are considered martial artists. They are practicing Wu Shu...the Chen, Yang, Wu, Sun, Wu Jian Quan, Zhao Bao families would shudder to think people are not practicing Tai Ji Quan as a martial art. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 In a message dated 1/11/2010 2:50:40 PM Pacific Standard Time, don83407 writes: However, if all you want is the form Herein lies the secret if you want to call it that. If one does not learn in great part to sink their center of gravity... all they have is empty form. Yes...very nice and calming and useful to some degree but not the benefits of real Ta Ji Quan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 Tai Chi is Qi Gong. Chinese Medicine , Patricia Jordan <coastalcatclinic wrote: > > > There are now scientific studies done that show both the use of Tai chi and Qi gong > useful in treating cancer. The more information I found, the more it seemed that Qi gong > > was the more studied. Also, even the NIH has sponsored studies showing successful treatment of cancer in animals from a Master Qi Gong performing external Qi gong, so I would definitely include this practice as part of a plan for treating cancer. There are even video tapes if location and travel or expense would limit the patients ability to participate. > > Guided imagery should also be part of the plan. Ken Cohen has guided imagery tapes, videos and is also this year, hosting a workshop for teaching external Qi gong for medical practitioners, including veterinarians. I have just completed a Chapter on cancer in a soon to be released text on the use of TCM and have documented the success of both of these as well as yoga on the treatment of cancer. > Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology > > > > > > Chinese Traditional Medicine > SimonBethel > Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:11:17 -0700 > RE: Re: Tai Chi for cancer Marty, > > Learning/doing Tai Chi is really potent and the effects are to be felt very quickly. I would strongly reccommend it for cancer patients, Qigong too of course. > > all the best, > > Simon > > > Chinese Medicine > martyeisen > Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:58:53 -0500 > Re: Tai Chi for cancer > > Learning Tai Chi is difficult and takes many years. Thus, it seems > impractical form helping most cancers. Qigong is more practical and > there are treatments designed for particular types of cancer - see > Jerry Alan Johnson's book Volume 5 - Chinese Medical Qigong Therapy - > An Energetic Approach to Oncology > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 ....so might be the harmonious cooperation and participation of breath,body, and mind. It begins with the View. - singlewhip2001 Chinese Medicine Monday, January 11, 2010 12:36 PM Re: Tai Chi for cancer Tai Chi is Qi Gong. Chinese Medicine , Patricia Jordan <coastalcatclinic wrote: > > > There are now scientific studies done that show both the use of Tai chi and Qi gong > useful in treating cancer. The more information I found, the more it seemed that Qi gong > > was the more studied. Also, even the NIH has sponsored studies showing successful treatment of cancer in animals from a Master Qi Gong performing external Qi gong, so I would definitely include this practice as part of a plan for treating cancer. There are even video tapes if location and travel or expense would limit the patients ability to participate. > > Guided imagery should also be part of the plan. Ken Cohen has guided imagery tapes, videos and is also this year, hosting a workshop for teaching external Qi gong for medical practitioners, including veterinarians. I have just completed a Chapter on cancer in a soon to be released text on the use of TCM and have documented the success of both of these as well as yoga on the treatment of cancer. > Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology > > > > > > Chinese Traditional Medicine > SimonBethel > Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:11:17 -0700 > RE: Re: Tai Chi for cancer > > > > > > > Marty, > > Learning/doing Tai Chi is really potent and the effects are to be felt very quickly. I would strongly reccommend it for cancer patients, Qigong too of course. > > all the best, > > Simon > > > Chinese Medicine > martyeisen > Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:58:53 -0500 > Re: Tai Chi for cancer > > Learning Tai Chi is difficult and takes many years. Thus, it seems > impractical form helping most cancers. Qigong is more practical and > there are treatments designed for particular types of cancer - see > Jerry Alan Johnson's book Volume 5 - Chinese Medical Qigong Therapy - > An Energetic Approach to Oncology > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 Actually, Tai Ji Quan is a martial art, has some qigong practices, and can be practiced like Qigong. And the term " Qi gong " is a modern term... When I see acupuncturists play Tai Ji after taking one class, it is a joke and not even Tai Ji. It is a pathetic parody of what real Tai Ji Quan is. Unless you have given years to study real Tai Ji Quan and really take the time to master it through push hands training, its perhaps better to call what you are doing as " Qi Gong " ... On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 12:36 PM, singlewhip2001 <singlewhip2001wrote: > > > Tai Chi is Qi Gong. > > > --- In Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com>, > Patricia Jordan <coastalcatclinic wrote: > > > > > > There are now scientific studies done that show both the use of Tai chi > and Qi gong > > useful in treating cancer. The more information I found, the more it > seemed that Qi gong > > > > was the more studied. Also, even the NIH has sponsored studies showing > successful treatment of cancer in animals from a Master Qi Gong performing > external Qi gong, so I would definitely include this practice as part of a > plan for treating cancer. There are even video tapes if location and travel > or expense would limit the patients ability to participate. > > > > Guided imagery should also be part of the plan. Ken Cohen has guided > imagery tapes, videos and is also this year, hosting a workshop for teaching > external Qi gong for medical practitioners, including veterinarians. I have > just completed a Chapter on cancer in a soon to be released text on the use > of TCM and have documented the success of both of these as well as yoga on > the treatment of cancer. > > Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology > > > > > > > > > > > > To: Chinese Traditional Medicine <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> > > SimonBethel > > > Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:11:17 -0700 > > RE: Re: Tai Chi for cancer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marty, > > > > Learning/doing Tai Chi is really potent and the effects are to be felt > very quickly. I would strongly reccommend it for cancer patients, Qigong too > of course. > > > > all the best, > > > > Simon > > > > > > To: Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> > > martyeisen > > > Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:58:53 -0500 > > Re: Tai Chi for cancer > > > > Learning Tai Chi is difficult and takes many years. Thus, it seems > > impractical form helping most cancers. Qigong is more practical and > > there are treatments designed for particular types of cancer - see > > Jerry Alan Johnson's book Volume 5 - Chinese Medical Qigong Therapy - > > An Energetic Approach to Oncology > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 Tai Chi as a martial art, its probably been many decades since people trained for many hours everyday to apply it for that purpose, Qi Gong or Dao Yin is a general term for all Qi cultivation methods, certainly Qi Gong falls into that category, clearly for many decades far more people have used it for health benefits that actual fighting. Tai Chi Chuan can be life changing if one practices it daily and optimal results are when uses it conjunction with meditation, Zhang Zhung and other common Qi Gong practices. regards, david Chinese Medicine , " singlewhip2001 " <singlewhip2001 wrote: > > Tai Chi is Qi Gong. > > > > Chinese Medicine , Patricia Jordan <coastalcatclinic@> wrote: > > > > > > There are now scientific studies done that show both the use of Tai chi and Qi gong > > useful in treating cancer. The more information I found, the more it seemed that Qi gong > > > > was the more studied. Also, even the NIH has sponsored studies showing successful treatment of cancer in animals from a Master Qi Gong performing external Qi gong, so I would definitely include this practice as part of a plan for treating cancer. There are even video tapes if location and travel or expense would limit the patients ability to participate. > > > > Guided imagery should also be part of the plan. Ken Cohen has guided imagery tapes, videos and is also this year, hosting a workshop for teaching external Qi gong for medical practitioners, including veterinarians. I have just completed a Chapter on cancer in a soon to be released text on the use of TCM and have documented the success of both of these as well as yoga on the treatment of cancer. > > Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology > > > > > > > > > > > > Chinese Traditional Medicine > > SimonBethel@ > > Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:11:17 -0700 > > RE: Re: Tai Chi for cancer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marty, > > > > Learning/doing Tai Chi is really potent and the effects are to be felt very quickly. I would strongly reccommend it for cancer patients, Qigong too of course. > > > > all the best, > > > > Simon > > > > > > Chinese Medicine > > martyeisen@ > > Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:58:53 -0500 > > Re: Tai Chi for cancer > > > > Learning Tai Chi is difficult and takes many years. Thus, it seems > > impractical form helping most cancers. Qigong is more practical and > > there are treatments designed for particular types of cancer - see > > Jerry Alan Johnson's book Volume 5 - Chinese Medical Qigong Therapy - > > An Energetic Approach to Oncology > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 In China, those who are considered the authorities of Tai Ji Quan are considered martial artists. They are practicing Wu Shu...the Chen, Yang, Wu, Sun, Wu Jian Quan, Zhao Bao families would shudder to think people are not practicing Tai Ji Quan as a martial art. On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 2:03 PM, singlewhip2001 <singlewhip2001wrote: > > > Tai Chi as a martial art, its probably been many decades since people > trained for many hours everyday to apply it for that purpose, Qi Gong or Dao > Yin is a general term for all Qi cultivation methods, certainly Qi Gong > falls into that category, clearly for many decades far more people have used > it for health benefits that actual fighting. > Tai Chi Chuan can be life changing if one practices it daily and optimal > results are when uses it conjunction with meditation, Zhang Zhung and other > common Qi Gong practices. > > regards, > david > > > --- In Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com>, > " singlewhip2001 " <singlewhip2001 wrote: > > > > Tai Chi is Qi Gong. > > > > > > > > --- In Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com>, > Patricia Jordan <coastalcatclinic@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > There are now scientific studies done that show both the use of Tai chi > and Qi gong > > > useful in treating cancer. The more information I found, the more it > seemed that Qi gong > > > > > > was the more studied. Also, even the NIH has sponsored studies showing > successful treatment of cancer in animals from a Master Qi Gong performing > external Qi gong, so I would definitely include this practice as part of a > plan for treating cancer. There are even video tapes if location and travel > or expense would limit the patients ability to participate. > > > > > > Guided imagery should also be part of the plan. Ken Cohen has guided > imagery tapes, videos and is also this year, hosting a workshop for teaching > external Qi gong for medical practitioners, including veterinarians. I have > just completed a Chapter on cancer in a soon to be released text on the use > of TCM and have documented the success of both of these as well as yoga on > the treatment of cancer. > > > Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: Chinese Traditional Medicine <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> > > > SimonBethel@ > > > Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:11:17 -0700 > > > RE: Re: Tai Chi for cancer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marty, > > > > > > Learning/doing Tai Chi is really potent and the effects are to be felt > very quickly. I would strongly reccommend it for cancer patients, Qigong too > of course. > > > > > > all the best, > > > > > > Simon > > > > > > > > > To: Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> > > > martyeisen@ > > > Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:58:53 -0500 > > > Re: Tai Chi for cancer > > > > > > Learning Tai Chi is difficult and takes many years. Thus, it seems > > > impractical form helping most cancers. Qigong is more practical and > > > there are treatments designed for particular types of cancer - see > > > Jerry Alan Johnson's book Volume 5 - Chinese Medical Qigong Therapy - > > > An Energetic Approach to Oncology > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 Shudder they must for they are in a very small minority, the vast majority of people that practice Tai Chi Chuan do it for health benefits, and this is a great thing. If they are accomplished people they know not all people will use it for self-defense, nor train to use if for street fighting, to use it as a martial art one must fight in training, this is not applicable to most people that practice it. Health, vitality, self healing are wonderful benefits of Tai Chi Chuan and nobody needs to apologize for not using it for self defense. Its a true healing treasure. regards, david Chinese Medicine , Robert Chu <chusauli wrote: > > In China, those who are considered the authorities of Tai Ji Quan are > considered martial artists. They are practicing Wu Shu...the Chen, Yang, > Wu, Sun, Wu Jian Quan, Zhao Bao families would shudder to think people are > not practicing Tai Ji Quan as a martial art. > > On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 2:03 PM, singlewhip2001 <singlewhip2001wrote: > > > > > > > Tai Chi as a martial art, its probably been many decades since people > > trained for many hours everyday to apply it for that purpose, Qi Gong or Dao > > Yin is a general term for all Qi cultivation methods, certainly Qi Gong > > falls into that category, clearly for many decades far more people have used > > it for health benefits that actual fighting. > > Tai Chi Chuan can be life changing if one practices it daily and optimal > > results are when uses it conjunction with meditation, Zhang Zhung and other > > common Qi Gong practices. > > > > regards, > > david > > > > > > --- In Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com>, > > " singlewhip2001 " <singlewhip2001@> wrote: > > > > > > Tai Chi is Qi Gong. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com>, > > Patricia Jordan <coastalcatclinic@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > There are now scientific studies done that show both the use of Tai chi > > and Qi gong > > > > useful in treating cancer. The more information I found, the more it > > seemed that Qi gong > > > > > > > > was the more studied. Also, even the NIH has sponsored studies showing > > successful treatment of cancer in animals from a Master Qi Gong performing > > external Qi gong, so I would definitely include this practice as part of a > > plan for treating cancer. There are even video tapes if location and travel > > or expense would limit the patients ability to participate. > > > > > > > > Guided imagery should also be part of the plan. Ken Cohen has guided > > imagery tapes, videos and is also this year, hosting a workshop for teaching > > external Qi gong for medical practitioners, including veterinarians. I have > > just completed a Chapter on cancer in a soon to be released text on the use > > of TCM and have documented the success of both of these as well as yoga on > > the treatment of cancer. > > > > Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: Chinese Traditional Medicine <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> > > > > SimonBethel@ > > > > Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:11:17 -0700 > > > > RE: Re: Tai Chi for cancer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marty, > > > > > > > > Learning/doing Tai Chi is really potent and the effects are to be felt > > very quickly. I would strongly reccommend it for cancer patients, Qigong too > > of course. > > > > > > > > all the best, > > > > > > > > Simon > > > > > > > > > > > > To: Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> > > > > martyeisen@ > > > > Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:58:53 -0500 > > > > Re: Tai Chi for cancer > > > > > > > > Learning Tai Chi is difficult and takes many years. Thus, it seems > > > > impractical form helping most cancers. Qigong is more practical and > > > > there are treatments designed for particular types of cancer - see > > > > Jerry Alan Johnson's book Volume 5 - Chinese Medical Qigong Therapy - > > > > An Energetic Approach to Oncology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 Yes, I agree. Most so called " masters " of tai ji that I've met are not masters at all. Many have even been practicing the form for thirty years or more. However, when you touch hands with them they are gone - they cannot neutralize at all. Even many I've practiced with from China are not legit. My long-time teacher is Herman Kauz (a disciple of Ching Man Ching) and we practice push-hands a lot. And at least 90% of the studentquickly quit. When you do the form it is easy to delude yourself into thinking your taiji is good, but when faced with the reality of toui shou they quickly find they are not so good and do not have the patience to stick with it and become good. Egos get in the way. My other sometime teacher in Chen Xiao Wang and the second you touch hands with him you will also find that he is also very legit. However, if all you want is the form. It is very easy to learn (Yang style short form anyway), but then all you have is a type of qi gung. Actually, tai ji incorporated Dao Yin and Tunna. That was the original so called " qi gung, " which is a very recent development. The old taiji masters certainly were not able to project their qi without actually touching someone and the taiji classics specifically state that " one cannot feel someone elses qi, but one can sense the jing. " Taiji as qi gung is pretty quick to learn. However, it is my opinion that if you leave out the martial art, the qi gung is not going to be very potent. Just an opinion. Donald J. Snow, DAOM, MPH, L.Ac. Chinese Medicine acudoc11 Mon, 11 Jan 2010 17:31:23 -0500 Re: Re: Tai Chi for cancer When I studied in 1978 with Cheng Man Ching, then one of his senior students Claire Hooten for several years and then in the 1980's with Robert Sohn it was always a martial art. And the pretty looking thing where people are waiving their hands in the air trying to copy Tai Ji Quan is definitely NOT Tai Ji Quan. In a message dated 1/11/2010 2:26:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, chusa uli writes: In China, those who are considered the authorities of Tai Ji Quan are considered martial artists. They are practicing Wu Shu...the Chen, Yang, Wu, Sun, Wu Jian Quan, Zhao Bao families would shudder to think people are not practicing Tai Ji Quan as a martial art. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 Real Tai Ji moves with the 6 harmonies and 7 stars - one needs body alignment, sensitivity, timing, root, and ability to issue force. What is taught in Acupuncture school is a farce - a very watered down simplification of a great martial art. On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 2:31 PM, <acudoc11 wrote: > > > > When I studied in 1978 with Cheng Man Ching, then one of his senior > students Claire Hooten for several years and then in the 1980's with Robert > Sohn > it was always a martial art. > > And the pretty looking thing where people are waiving their hands in the > air trying to copy Tai Ji Quan is definitely NOT Tai Ji Quan. > > In a message dated 1/11/2010 2:26:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, chusa > > uli <uli%40gmail.com> writes: > > In China, those who are considered the authorities of Tai Ji Quan are > considered martial artists. They are practicing Wu Shu...the Chen, Yang, > Wu, Sun, Wu Jian Quan, Zhao Bao families would shudder to think people are > not practicing Tai Ji Quan as a martial art. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 Yes, it appears people no longer have any sense of shame. Many people " teach " taiji and present theirselves as legitimate teachers; many are even " certified. " I'll bet a dollar to a donut that Ching Man Ching, Chen Xiao Wang, and many other " real " teachers don't have any " certification " whatsoever. After 5 or so years of training with Herman Kauz he authorized me to teach taiji (that was 4 years ago or more). I personally would never dream of teaching taiji because, even though he thought my skills were adequate, I don't feel they are. The same would apply to acupuncture. There are many (MDs, PTs, etc.) that claim to be doing acupuncture but really haven't the foggiest idea what they are doing. Anyone can put a needle into someone else, but acupuncture is much more than that. Don Snow, DAOM, MPH, L.Ac. > Chinese Medicine > chusauli > Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:00:46 -0800 > Re: Re: Tai Chi for cancer > > Real Tai Ji moves with the 6 harmonies and 7 stars - one needs body > alignment, sensitivity, timing, root, and ability to issue force. > > What is taught in Acupuncture school is a farce - a very watered down > simplification of a great martial art. > > On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 2:31 PM, <acudoc11 wrote: > > > > > > > > > When I studied in 1978 with Cheng Man Ching, then one of his senior > > students Claire Hooten for several years and then in the 1980's with Robert > > Sohn > > it was always a martial art. > > > > And the pretty looking thing where people are waiving their hands in the > > air trying to copy Tai Ji Quan is definitely NOT Tai Ji Quan. > > > > In a message dated 1/11/2010 2:26:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, chusa > > > > uli <uli%40gmail.com> writes: > > > > In China, those who are considered the authorities of Tai Ji Quan are > > considered martial artists. They are practicing Wu Shu...the Chen, Yang, > > Wu, Sun, Wu Jian Quan, Zhao Bao families would shudder to think people are > > not practicing Tai Ji Quan as a martial art. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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