Guest guest Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 I'd love some in-put on a very strange case my colleague referred me. The colleague reported that the client, female, 60, years old, no medications, history of uterine prolapse, sciatica, red tongue, slightly tight, hurried pulse, experienced elevated HBP following the treatments, and intense sensations of palpitations, and tingling all over. She has received acupuncture for about 3 years, and these symptoms started 4 months ago following oral surgery. The client seemed to be forgetful and disorganized. She has food allergies. I decided the client had a " reversal syndrome " , some clients have the opposite reaction to medications they take, and I thought this client seems to experience it with acupuncture, probably caused by trauma or drugs from the surgery. I applied microcurrent to the ear point: oscillation, and then to all Hwa To pints, then I needled SI3, Bl62. While the needles were in, she began to have palpitations and I took the needles out, and her BP was 150 over 90, heart rate of 88. She denied being anxious about the treatment itself, and said she felt tingling all over. Does this sound like anything you have come across before??? Regards, Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. angelapfa www.InnerhealthSalem.com Phone: 503 364 3022 - attiliodalberto Chinese Medicine Saturday, January 16, 2010 8:07 AM New Classical Text eBooks Hi all, Here are three new classical texts available as ebooks: The Single Idea in the Mind of the Yellow Emperor eBook http://tinyurl.com/yl8bxdw The Daode Jing eBook http://tinyurl.com/yfwthz6 The Book of Changes eBook http://tinyurl.com/ylczh6b Happy reading! Attilio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 AngelaAll the points you stimulated were yang in nature. Â She has a rapid pulse. Â In Kiiko style, with a rapid pulse, any back shu or Hua Tuo points are stimulated very carefully and only after focusing on yin points (CV 6, CV 4, CV 12, etc) to calm down the sympathetic overdrive - I would say she was in sympathetic dominance and you exacerbated it even more with that treatment.Try a Yin point emphasis.Daniel Schulman --- On Wed, 1/20/10, Angela Pfaffenberger, PH.D. <angelapfa wrote: Angela Pfaffenberger, PH.D. <angelapfa Re: Strange case Chinese Medicine Received: Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 9:35 PM Â I'd love some in-put on a very strange case my colleague referred me. The colleague reported that the client, female, 60, years old, no medications, history of uterine prolapse, sciatica, red tongue, slightly tight, hurried pulse, experienced elevated HBP following the treatments, and intense sensations of palpitations, and tingling all over. She has received acupuncture for about 3 years, and these symptoms started 4 months ago following oral surgery. The client seemed to be forgetful and disorganized. She has food allergies. I decided the client had a " reversal syndrome " , some clients have the opposite reaction to medications they take, and I thought this client seems to experience it with acupuncture, probably caused by trauma or drugs from the surgery. I applied microcurrent to the ear point: oscillation, and then to all Hwa To pints, then I needled SI3, Bl62. While the needles were in, she began to have palpitations and I took the needles out, and her BP was 150 over 90, heart rate of 88. She denied being anxious about the treatment itself, and said she felt tingling all over. Does this sound like anything you have come across before??? Regards, Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. angelapfa (AT) comcast (DOT) net www.InnerhealthSale m.com Phone: 503 364 3022 - attiliodalberto Saturday, January 16, 2010 8:07 AM New Classical Text eBooks Hi all, Here are three new classical texts available as ebooks: The Single Idea in the Mind of the Yellow Emperor eBook http://tinyurl. com/yl8bxdw The Daode Jing eBook http://tinyurl. com/yfwthz6 The Book of Changes eBook http://tinyurl. com/ylczh6b Happy reading! Attilio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 Angela All the points you stimulated were yang in nature. She has a rapid pulse. In Kiiko style, with a rapid pulse, any back shu or Hua Tuo points are stimulated very carefully and only after focusing on yin points (CV 6, CV 4, CV 12, etc) to calm down the sympathetic overdrive - I would say she was in sympathetic dominance and you exacerbated it even more with that treatment. Try a Yin point emphasis. Daniel Schulman Chinese Medicine , " Angela Pfaffenberger, PH.D. " <angelapfa wrote: > > I'd love some in-put on a very strange case my colleague referred me. The colleague reported that the client, female, 60, years old, no medications, history of uterine prolapse, sciatica, red tongue, slightly tight, hurried pulse, experienced elevated HBP following the treatments, and intense sensations of palpitations, and tingling all over. She has received acupuncture for about 3 years, and these symptoms started 4 months ago following oral surgery. The client seemed to be forgetful and disorganized. She has food allergies. > I decided the client had a " reversal syndrome " , some clients have the opposite reaction to medications they take, and I thought this client seems to experience it with acupuncture, probably caused by trauma or drugs from the surgery. I applied microcurrent to the ear point: oscillation, and then to all Hwa To pints, then I needled SI3, Bl62. > While the needles were in, she began to have palpitations and I took the needles out, and her BP was 150 over 90, heart rate of 88. She denied being anxious about the treatment itself, and said she felt tingling all over. > Does this sound like anything you have come across before??? > > Regards, > Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. > > angelapfa > > www.InnerhealthSalem.com > > Phone: 503 364 3022 > - > attiliodalberto > Chinese Medicine > Saturday, January 16, 2010 8:07 AM > New Classical Text eBooks > > > > Hi all, > > Here are three new classical texts available as ebooks: > > The Single Idea in the Mind of the Yellow Emperor eBook > http://tinyurl.com/yl8bxdw > > The Daode Jing eBook > http://tinyurl.com/yfwthz6 > > The Book of Changes eBook > http://tinyurl.com/ylczh6b > > Happy reading! > > Attilio > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2010 Report Share Posted January 20, 2010 Sounds like tonification of someone who has a borderline internal fire and strong deficiency. I'd be curious to know what other signs and symptoms she has. Hugo ________________________________ Hugo Ramiro http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com http://www.middlemedicine.org ________________________________ " Angela Pfaffenberger, PH.D. " <angelapfa Chinese Medicine Wed, 20 January, 2010 16:35:34 Re: Strange case I'd love some in-put on a very strange case my colleague referred me. The colleague reported that the client, female, 60, years old, no medications, history of uterine prolapse, sciatica, red tongue, slightly tight, hurried pulse, experienced elevated HBP following the treatments, and intense sensations of palpitations, and tingling all over. She has received acupuncture for about 3 years, and these symptoms started 4 months ago following oral surgery. The client seemed to be forgetful and disorganized. She has food allergies. I decided the client had a " reversal syndrome " , some clients have the opposite reaction to medications they take, and I thought this client seems to experience it with acupuncture, probably caused by trauma or drugs from the surgery. I applied microcurrent to the ear point: oscillation, and then to all Hwa To pints, then I needled SI3, Bl62. While the needles were in, she began to have palpitations and I took the needles out, and her BP was 150 over 90, heart rate of 88. She denied being anxious about the treatment itself, and said she felt tingling all over. Does this sound like anything you have come across before??? Regards, Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. angelapfa (AT) comcast (DOT) net www.InnerhealthSale m.com Phone: 503 364 3022 - attiliodalberto Saturday, January 16, 2010 8:07 AM New Classical Text eBooks Hi all, Here are three new classical texts available as ebooks: The Single Idea in the Mind of the Yellow Emperor eBook http://tinyurl. com/yl8bxdw The Daode Jing eBook http://tinyurl. com/yfwthz6 The Book of Changes eBook http://tinyurl. com/ylczh6b Happy reading! Attilio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 Hi Angela,   The problem of tingling sensation goes throughout the body because the Houta pts were chosen. These are the nerve points, extremely sensitive nerves- conduction travel directly to the brain and also to branches of extremities. Each stimulation cause a different message depends on how deep and how strong we stimulate. Beside, the SI3 & B62 are also running straight to the brain. If the stimulation was chosen, the brain may act funny.   Tingling means blood circulation was impeded, or too slow to get to the destination if feel cold to the touch. But if the body is warmer than usual to the touch, then it must be from the hyperstimulation of certain drugs or from acupuncture stimulation. In this case, the HBP, I would ask to see whether he/she is a diabetic. Diabetic can have a tingling sensation at any time when the body temperature drops.   HBP may increase if the patient was too tense at the time. He may deny of it, but it does not mean that it was negative from this reaction.   If this is a result from acupuncture stimulation, it may take a few hours for it subside or disappear. However, if there was too strong of stimulation and nerve damaged occured, it may stay there for awhile................   We hope that the medication he/ she is taking after the surgery or from the BP pills was the casue............... We may ask the patient to see her/ his doctor for a change of his prescription. ALARM :  huoto jiaji pts are so sensitive, care must be taken, not too deep nor too strong. Careful observation is a must. This is just an opinion. Nam Nguyen --- On Wed, 1/20/10, Angela Pfaffenberger, PH.D. <angelapfa wrote: Angela Pfaffenberger, PH.D. <angelapfa Re: Strange case Chinese Medicine Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 1:35 PM  I'd love some in-put on a very strange case my colleague referred me. The colleague reported that the client, female, 60, years old, no medications, history of uterine prolapse, sciatica, red tongue, slightly tight, hurried pulse, experienced elevated HBP following the treatments, and intense sensations of palpitations, and tingling all over. She has received acupuncture for about 3 years, and these symptoms started 4 months ago following oral surgery. The client seemed to be forgetful and disorganized. She has food allergies. I decided the client had a " reversal syndrome " , some clients have the opposite reaction to medications they take, and I thought this client seems to experience it with acupuncture, probably caused by trauma or drugs from the surgery. I applied microcurrent to the ear point: oscillation, and then to all Hwa To pints, then I needled SI3, Bl62. While the needles were in, she began to have palpitations and I took the needles out, and her BP was 150 over 90, heart rate of 88. She denied being anxious about the treatment itself, and said she felt tingling all over. Does this sound like anything you have come across before??? Regards, Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. angelapfa (AT) comcast (DOT) net www.InnerhealthSale m.com Phone: 503 364 3022 - attiliodalberto Saturday, January 16, 2010 8:07 AM New Classical Text eBooks Hi all, Here are three new classical texts available as ebooks: The Single Idea in the Mind of the Yellow Emperor eBook http://tinyurl. com/yl8bxdw The Daode Jing eBook http://tinyurl. com/yfwthz6 The Book of Changes eBook http://tinyurl. com/ylczh6b Happy reading! Attilio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 Angela, I want to add to something that Daniel has shared with regards to Kiiko's treatment ideas. I am noting a worsening of her symptoms following a surgery, which may have done several things to her body (created more blood stagnation, released pathogens into near areas, or added in anesthesia that slows down healing. The surgery, in addition to her allergies, makes me think you might want to also consider checking her immune reflex (near McBerney's point in lower right quadrant) and oketsu (left st 25-28 area). Treatment of these is with (L) Liv 4 and (L) lung 5 for oketsu (blood stagnation) and bilateral San Jiao channel from LI 10 - 11. As there is no SJ channel point at this location, you are looking for pressure on this area, and direction, that changes the abdominal reflex and then would be needled in the exact location and direction that releases the abdominal pain/tension. Channel treatment can be very profound at clearing this old stuff out. These are two of the most common areas and are usually treated with the first group of needles and considered part of the constitutional treatment. I recommend you check out Kiiko's Clinical Strategies textbooks as they are about clinic reality. Also wonder what her fire points were like for her Pe and Ht channels. If painful, then suggest you check metal and water points for balance. Hope this helps. Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc Chinese Medicine daniel.schulman Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:37:21 +0000 Re: Strange case Angela All the points you stimulated were yang in nature. She has a rapid pulse. In Kiiko style, with a rapid pulse, any back shu or Hua Tuo points are stimulated very carefully and only after focusing on yin points (CV 6, CV 4, CV 12, etc) to calm down the sympathetic overdrive - I would say she was in sympathetic dominance and you exacerbated it even more with that treatment. Try a Yin point emphasis. Daniel Schulman Chinese Medicine , " Angela Pfaffenberger, PH.D. " <angelapfa wrote: > > I'd love some in-put on a very strange case my colleague referred me. The colleague reported that the client, female, 60, years old, no medications, history of uterine prolapse, sciatica, red tongue, slightly tight, hurried pulse, experienced elevated HBP following the treatments, and intense sensations of palpitations, and tingling all over. She has received acupuncture for about 3 years, and these symptoms started 4 months ago following oral surgery. The client seemed to be forgetful and disorganized. She has food allergies. > I decided the client had a " reversal syndrome " , some clients have the opposite reaction to medications they take, and I thought this client seems to experience it with acupuncture, probably caused by trauma or drugs from the surgery. I applied microcurrent to the ear point: oscillation, and then to all Hwa To pints, then I needled SI3, Bl62. > While the needles were in, she began to have palpitations and I took the needles out, and her BP was 150 over 90, heart rate of 88. She denied being anxious about the treatment itself, and said she felt tingling all over. > Does this sound like anything you have come across before??? > > Regards, > Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. > > angelapfa > > www.InnerhealthSalem.com > > Phone: 503 364 3022 > - > attiliodalberto > Chinese Medicine > Saturday, January 16, 2010 8:07 AM > New Classical Text eBooks > > > > Hi all, > > Here are three new classical texts available as ebooks: > > The Single Idea in the Mind of the Yellow Emperor eBook > http://tinyurl.com/yl8bxdw > > The Daode Jing eBook > http://tinyurl.com/yfwthz6 > > The Book of Changes eBook > http://tinyurl.com/ylczh6b > > Happy reading! > > Attilio > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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