Guest guest Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 wondering what some of the tcm vets feel about the risk of allowing cats outdoors? specifically i have a (new to me) 1.5ym who would have access through a dog door, so could go in and out at will to a fenced in yard. i've thought about putting on an electronic door, but i'm concerned about the risk of constant exposure of my dog to the electronic collar. -- Kath Bartlett, LAc, MS, BA UCLA Oriental Medicine Experienced, Dedicated, Effective Abstain from all that is evil. Perform all that is good. Purify your thoughts. This is the teaching of the Buddhas. Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality: http://acukath.blogspot.com/ Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist Available at Asheville Center for : www.FlyingDragonLiniment.com Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC Amazon.com http://www.amazon.com/Flying-Dragon-Liniment-Eco-Friendly-Wild-Crafted/dp/B001OC\ 1AZ2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8 & s=hpc & qid=1254968032 & sr=8-1 and from the following supply companies: Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1 Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC http://www.goldenneedleonline.com/index.php?page=categories & category=14 & vendor= & \ product=5554 & pg= Asheville Center For 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777 kbartlett www.AcupunctureAsheville.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 Speaking from an owner of 4 cats (3 strays, 1 obtained from Humane Society), I always prefer to let them out. I am on a 2- acre lot with lots of woods around where they can run. It is usually the males that like to do that. Increasingly with development, there are limited places where you can let a cat run. Then I say you have to keep them indoors. If you can let them out, I would. Anne Anne C. Crowley, L.Ac., Dipl.Ac. www.LaPlataAcupuncture.com - " " " TCM List " <Chinese Traditional Medicine > Thursday, January 21, 2010 10:34:49 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern  vets: outdoor cats  wondering what some of the tcm vets feel about the risk of allowing cats outdoors? specifically i have a (new to me) 1.5ym who would have access through a dog door, so could go in and out at will to a fenced in yard. i've thought about putting on an electronic door, but i'm concerned about the risk of constant exposure of my dog to the electronic collar. -- Oriental Medicine Experienced, Dedicated, Effective Abstain from all that is evil. Perform all that is good. Purify your thoughts. This is the teaching of the Buddhas. Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality: http://acukath.blogspot.com/ Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist Available at Asheville Center for : www.FlyingDragonLiniment.com Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC Amazon.com http://www.amazon.com/Flying-Dragon-Liniment-Eco-Friendly-Wild-Crafted/dp/B001OC\ 1AZ2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8 & s=hpc & qid=1254968032 & sr=8-1 and from the following supply companies: Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1 Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC http://www.goldenneedleonline.com/index.php?page=categories & category=14 & vendor= & \ product=5554 & pg= Asheville Center For 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777 kbartlett www.AcupunctureAsheville.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 i live in town, near a 4 lane road. the simplest solution is to allow him to go in and out at will. the neighborhood outdoor cats all seem to be fine, and i'm not hearing any stories of problems or predators. i've seen stats on injuries and risks for outdoor cats. it seems to be high if they are 100% out doors, to a lesser degree if the owner puts them out during the day but lets them in at night. but giving him control over when to go in/out seems to lessen the risk quite a bit. so far i open the dog door when i leave the house and at night so the dog (who's got issues involving peeing in the house when i'm gone) can get out as needed and as he is accustomed. i'm taking it slow as i've only had the cat since thanksgiving. so far i know he goes down to the basement, but i don't think he's availing himself of the second door leading out to the yard. i spoke to a vet who went to human acu college and got the fear story about letting the cat go outdoors. my gut says let him go, but i'm cautious as this is my first cat. kath On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:11 AM, Anne Crowley <anne.crowleywrote: > > > > > Speaking from an owner of 4 cats (3 strays, 1 obtained from Humane > Society), I always prefer to let them out. I am on a 2- acre lot with lots > of woods around where they can run. It is usually the males that like to do > that. Increasingly with development, there are limited places where you can > let a cat run. Then I say you have to keep them indoors. If you can let > them out, I would. > > Anne > > Anne C. Crowley, L.Ac., Dipl.Ac. > www.LaPlataAcupuncture.com > > - > " " <acukath <acukath%40gmail.com>> > " TCM List " <Chinese Traditional Medicine <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40yah\ oogroups.com>> > > Thursday, January 21, 2010 10:34:49 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > vets: outdoor cats > > > > wondering what some of the tcm vets feel about the risk of allowing cats > outdoors? specifically i have a (new to me) 1.5ym who would have access > through a dog door, so could go in and out at will to a fenced in yard. > i've thought about putting on an electronic door, but i'm concerned about > the risk of constant exposure of my dog to the electronic collar. > > -- > > Oriental Medicine > Experienced, Dedicated, Effective > > Abstain from all that is evil. > Perform all that is good. > Purify your thoughts. > This is the teaching of the Buddhas. > > Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality: > http://acukath.blogspot.com/ > > Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints > Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist > Available at Asheville Center for : > www.FlyingDragonLiniment.com > > Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC > > Amazon.com > > http://www.amazon.com/Flying-Dragon-Liniment-Eco-Friendly-Wild-Crafted/dp/B001OC\ 1AZ2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8 & s=hpc & qid=1254968032 & sr=8-1 > > and from the following supply companies: > Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown > https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1 > > Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC > > http://www.goldenneedleonline.com/index.php?page=categories & category=14 & vendor= & \ product=5554 & pg= > > Asheville Center For > 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two > Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777 > kbartlett <kbartlett%40AcupunctureAsheville.com> > www.AcupunctureAsheville.com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 Outdoor cats meet an earlier demise, that is a fact. Outdoor cats are exposed to parasite like fleas and ticks and worms that they then can bring indoors to the family. Outdoor cats are more likley to suffer trauma and require expensive surgical repair for cat fights and dgo bite, HBC etc. Cats can have a great environmental enhancement with a porch or outdoor enclosure where they would remain protected from the majority of theses issues and that is wht I do and recommend. Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology Chinese Traditional Medicine acukath Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:34:49 -0500 vets: outdoor cats wondering what some of the tcm vets feel about the risk of allowing cats outdoors? specifically i have a (new to me) 1.5ym who would have access through a dog door, so could go in and out at will to a fenced in yard. i've thought about putting on an electronic door, but i'm concerned about the risk of constant exposure of my dog to the electronic collar. -- _______________ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390710/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 In Colorado and Rhode Island they don't have outdoor cats as the coyotes eat them. Depending on where you live you should seriously consider not letting them out. Even my best freind who has 40 acre farm lost 1/2 of her cats to trauma, murdered by dogs,HBC,stray cats fights......My friend and office manager of my cat practice has always 21 cats and even with the big place..............the facts are outdoor cats will not live as long. Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology Chinese Medicine anne.crowley Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:11:25 +0000 Re: vets: outdoor cats Speaking from an owner of 4 cats (3 strays, 1 obtained from Humane Society), I always prefer to let them out. I am on a 2- acre lot with lots of woods around where they can run. It is usually the males that like to do that. Increasingly with development, there are limited places where you can let a cat run. Then I say you have to keep them indoors. If you can let them out, I would. Anne Anne C. Crowley, L.Ac., Dipl.Ac. www.LaPlataAcupuncture.com - " " " TCM List " <Chinese Traditional Medicine > Thursday, January 21, 2010 10:34:49 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern vets: outdoor cats wondering what some of the tcm vets feel about the risk of allowing cats outdoors? specifically i have a (new to me) 1.5ym who would have access through a dog door, so could go in and out at will to a fenced in yard. i've thought about putting on an electronic door, but i'm concerned about the risk of constant exposure of my dog to the electronic collar. -- Oriental Medicine Experienced, Dedicated, Effective Abstain from all that is evil. Perform all that is good. Purify your thoughts. This is the teaching of the Buddhas. Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality: http://acukath.blogspot.com/ Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist Available at Asheville Center for : www.FlyingDragonLiniment.com Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC Amazon.com http://www.amazon.com/Flying-Dragon-Liniment-Eco-Friendly-Wild-Crafted/dp/B001OC\ 1AZ2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8 & s=hpc & qid=1254968032 & sr=8-1 and from the following supply companies: Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1 Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC http://www.goldenneedleonline.com/index.php?page=categories & category=14 & vendor= & \ product=5554 & pg= Asheville Center For 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777 kbartlett www.AcupunctureAsheville.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 thank you patricia, i appreciate you input. kath On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 2:59 PM, Patricia Jordan < coastalcatclinic wrote: > > > > Outdoor cats meet an earlier demise, that is a fact. > > Outdoor cats are exposed to parasite like fleas and ticks and worms that > they then can bring indoors to the family. Outdoor cats are more likley to > suffer trauma and require expensive surgical repair for cat fights and dgo > bite, HBC etc. Cats can have a great environmental enhancement with a porch > or outdoor enclosure where they would remain protected from the majority of > theses issues and that is wht I do and recommend. > > > Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology > > To: Chinese Traditional Medicine <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> > acukath <acukath%40gmail.com> > Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:34:49 -0500 > > vets: outdoor cats > > wondering what some of the tcm vets feel about the risk of allowing cats > outdoors? specifically i have a (new to me) 1.5ym who would have access > through a dog door, so could go in and out at will to a fenced in yard. > i've thought about putting on an electronic door, but i'm concerned about > the risk of constant exposure of my dog to the electronic collar. > > -- > > > ________ > -- Kath Bartlett, LAc, MS, BA UCLA Oriental Medicine Experienced, Dedicated, Effective Abstain from all that is evil. Perform all that is good. Purify your thoughts. This is the teaching of the Buddhas. Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality: http://acukath.blogspot.com/ Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist Available at Asheville Center for : www.FlyingDragonLiniment.com Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC Amazon.com http://www.amazon.com/Flying-Dragon-Liniment-Eco-Friendly-Wild-Crafted/dp/B001OC\ 1AZ2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8 & s=hpc & qid=1254968032 & sr=8-1 and from the following supply companies: Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1 Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC http://www.goldenneedleonline.com/index.php?page=categories & category=14 & vendor= & \ product=5554 & pg= Asheville Center For 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777 kbartlett www.AcupunctureAsheville.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 Hi Kath, I've had cats all my life. I must say, if I were a cat I'd prefer a shortened but interesting life over a safe, boring, inside one. My kitty comes and goes. I try to bring him in at night, if I don't he can get into fights, and shows up with bites. I know it is possible to 'enrich' a cat's environment,, but it can't be as fun as stalking through the grass, imagining being in the savannah and hunting big game. Kitty imaginings. Beata Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2010 Report Share Posted January 23, 2010 this is my gut feelings on it as well. i've talked to at least 3 vets about the issue and they are in lockstep about the increased health risks. though when i talk to friends and neighbors with outdoor cats i don't hear horror stories, unless its near a busy street. kath On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 5:43 PM, <coastacu wrote: > > > > Hi Kath, > > I've had cats all my life. I must say, if I were a cat I'd prefer a > shortened but interesting life over a safe, boring, inside one. My kitty > comes and goes. I try to bring him in at night, if I don't he can get into > fights, and shows up with bites. I know it is possible to 'enrich' a cat's > environment,, but it can't be as fun as stalking through the grass, > imagining being in the savannah and hunting big game. Kitty imaginings. > > Beata > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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