tcm vets: veg diets for cats and dogs

[Guest guest]

tcm vets: wondering about the pros/cons of vegetarian diets for dogs and

cats. i've been giving the cat yellowfin tuna, but in light of the recent

discussion on mercury i'm concerned about toxicity.

any suggestions of sources for recipes for home prepared food? i'm

currently using a book called " home prepared dog & cat diets " by donald

strombeck, dvm. pros/cons of the recommendations in this book?

 

--

Kath Bartlett, LAc, MS, BA UCLA

Oriental Medicine

Experienced, Dedicated, Effective

 

 

Abstain from all that is evil.

Perform all that is good.

Purify your thoughts.

This is the teaching of the Buddhas.

 

 

Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality:

http://acukath.blogspot.com/

 

Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints

Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist

Available at Asheville Center for :

www.FlyingDragonLiniment.com

 

Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC

 

Amazon.com

http://www.amazon.com/Flying-Dragon-Liniment-Eco-Friendly-Wild-Crafted/dp/B001OC\

1AZ2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8 & s=hpc & qid=1254968032 & sr=8-1

 

 

and from the following supply companies:

Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown

https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1

 

Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC

http://www.goldenneedleonline.com/index.php?page=categories & category=14 & vendor= & \

product=5554 & pg=

 

 

Asheville Center For

70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two

Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777

kbartlett

www.AcupunctureAsheville.com

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Cats are obligate carnivores. I do not recommend any processed foods for cats.

Fresh raw food diets are the best. Many commercial producers of raw food diets

are available and this depends on where you live. My favorite is Amore from

British Columbia. Other producers are out there, Nature's Variety is one example

if you are ok with USDA quality. Paw Naturaw is another. If you go to

www.localharvest.com you can find organic grass fed free ranged source of raw

food diets and meats for pets. Feline Instincts is another source for

information on how to feed the Backyard Predator. I have Stromberg's book and

there are other sources but really who has the real scientific validation of

what constitutes a biologically appropriate raw food (BARF) diet? I received

diets in the TCVM Chinese Food Therapy classes and other sources not available

outside direct to clients. Some canned versions of novel protein meats like

Duck, Rabbit, Lamb etc are good for when you can not feed raw or Spot's Stew by

Halo the chicken and clams and PetGuard that you can get from Whole Foods. If

you design a diet there is even help for that for a price but make sure your

self designed diets do not have only muscle meat much more important are the

organ meats. Amore even sells quail carcasses and ostrich which the cats really

love along with wild salmon and rabbit! If the cat remains inside you must also

supply some greens, my cats have their own gardens, with mints and chives, you

can apply chlorophyll juice to their foods.

 

Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology

 

 

 

 

 

Chinese Traditional Medicine

acukath

Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:39:05 -0500

tcm vets: veg diets for cats and dogs

 

 

 

 

 

tcm vets: wondering about the pros/cons of vegetarian diets for dogs and

cats. i've been giving the cat yellowfin tuna, but in light of the recent

discussion on mercury i'm concerned about toxicity.

any suggestions of sources for recipes for home prepared food? i'm

currently using a book called " home prepared dog & cat diets " by donald

strombeck, dvm. pros/cons of the recommendations in this book?

 

--

 

Oriental Medicine

Experienced, Dedicated, Effective

 

Abstain from all that is evil.

Perform all that is good.

Purify your thoughts.

This is the teaching of the Buddhas.

 

Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality:

http://acukath.blogspot.com/

 

Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints

Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist

Available at Asheville Center for :

www.FlyingDragonLiniment.com

 

Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC

 

Amazon.com

http://www.amazon.com/Flying-Dragon-Liniment-Eco-Friendly-Wild-Crafted/dp/B001OC\

1AZ2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8 & s=hpc & qid=1254968032 & sr=8-1

 

and from the following supply companies:

Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown

https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1

 

Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC

http://www.goldenneedleonline.com/index.php?page=categories & category=14 & vendor= & \

product=5554 & pg=

 

Asheville Center For

70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two

Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777

kbartlett

www.AcupunctureAsheville.com

 

 

[Guest guest]

i've read about growing grass indoors for cats. you're recommending mint &

chives. what are your feelings about catnip? i hear some cat owners don't

like to give it, but don't know the reasons for that.

 

kath

 

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Patricia Jordan <

coastalcatclinic wrote:

 

>

> Cats are obligate carnivores. I do not recommend any processed foods for

> cats. Fresh raw food diets are the best. Many commercial producers of raw

> food diets are available and this depends on where you live. My favorite is

> Amore from British Columbia. Other producers are out there, Nature's Variety

> is one example if you are ok with USDA quality. Paw Naturaw is another. If

> you go to www.localharvest.com you can find organic grass fed free ranged

> source of raw food diets and meats for pets. Feline Instincts is another

> source for information on how to feed the Backyard Predator. I have

> Stromberg's book and there are other sources but really who has the real

> scientific validation of what constitutes a biologically appropriate raw

> food (BARF) diet? I received diets in the TCVM Chinese Food Therapy classes

> and other sources not available outside direct to clients. Some canned

> versions of novel protein meats like Duck, Rabbit, Lamb etc are good for

> when you can not feed raw or Spot's Stew by Halo the chicken and clams and

> PetGuard that you can get from Whole Foods. If you design a diet there is

> even help for that for a price but make sure your self designed diets do not

> have only muscle meat much more important are the organ meats. Amore even

> sells quail carcasses and ostrich which the cats really love along with wild

> salmon and rabbit! If the cat remains inside you must also supply some

> greens, my cats have their own gardens, with mints and chives, you can apply

> chlorophyll juice to their foods.

>

> Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology

>

>

>

>

>

> Chinese Traditional Medicine

> acukath

> Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:39:05 -0500

> tcm vets: veg diets for cats and dogs

>

>

>

>

>

> tcm vets: wondering about the pros/cons of vegetarian diets for dogs and

> cats. i've been giving the cat yellowfin tuna, but in light of the recent

> discussion on mercury i'm concerned about toxicity.

> any suggestions of sources for recipes for home prepared food? i'm

> currently using a book called " home prepared dog & cat diets " by donald

> strombeck, dvm. pros/cons of the recommendations in this book?

>

> --

>

> Oriental Medicine

> Experienced, Dedicated, Effective

>

> Abstain from all that is evil.

> Perform all that is good.

> Purify your thoughts.

> This is the teaching of the Buddhas.

>

> Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality:

> http://acukath.blogspot.com/

>

> Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints

> Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist

> Available at Asheville Center for :

> www.FlyingDragonLiniment.com

>

> Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC

>

> Amazon.com

>

>

http://www.amazon.com/Flying-Dragon-Liniment-Eco-Friendly-Wild-Crafted/dp/B001OC\

1AZ2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8 & s=hpc & qid=1254968032 & sr=8-1

>

> and from the following supply companies:

> Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown

> https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1

>

> Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC

>

>

http://www.goldenneedleonline.com/index.php?page=categories & category=14 & vendor= & \

product=5554 & pg=

>

> Asheville Center For

> 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two

> Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777

> kbartlett

> www.AcupunctureAsheville.com

>

>

[Guest guest]

catnip is a mint

 

most grass grown is oatgrass, they are after the tender young sprouts of high

protein enzyme laden chlorophyll laden parts and sometimes just bite the strrand

enough to innoculate them themselves.....dosen't take much.

 

Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology

 

 

 

 

 

Chinese Medicine

acukath

Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:21:38 -0500

Re: tcm vets: veg diets for cats and dogs

 

 

 

 

 

i've read about growing grass indoors for cats. you're recommending mint &

chives. what are your feelings about catnip? i hear some cat owners don't

like to give it, but don't know the reasons for that.

 

kath

 

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Patricia Jordan <

coastalcatclinic wrote:

 

>

> Cats are obligate carnivores. I do not recommend any processed foods for

> cats. Fresh raw food diets are the best. Many commercial producers of raw

> food diets are available and this depends on where you live. My favorite is

> Amore from British Columbia. Other producers are out there, Nature's Variety

> is one example if you are ok with USDA quality. Paw Naturaw is another. If

> you go to www.localharvest.com you can find organic grass fed free ranged

> source of raw food diets and meats for pets. Feline Instincts is another

> source for information on how to feed the Backyard Predator. I have

> Stromberg's book and there are other sources but really who has the real

> scientific validation of what constitutes a biologically appropriate raw

> food (BARF) diet? I received diets in the TCVM Chinese Food Therapy classes

> and other sources not available outside direct to clients. Some canned

> versions of novel protein meats like Duck, Rabbit, Lamb etc are good for

> when you can not feed raw or Spot's Stew by Halo the chicken and clams and

> PetGuard that you can get from Whole Foods. If you design a diet there is

> even help for that for a price but make sure your self designed diets do not

> have only muscle meat much more important are the organ meats. Amore even

> sells quail carcasses and ostrich which the cats really love along with wild

> salmon and rabbit! If the cat remains inside you must also supply some

> greens, my cats have their own gardens, with mints and chives, you can apply

> chlorophyll juice to their foods.

>

> Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology

>

>

>

>

>

> Chinese Traditional Medicine

> acukath

> Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:39:05 -0500

> tcm vets: veg diets for cats and dogs

>

>

>

>

>

> tcm vets: wondering about the pros/cons of vegetarian diets for dogs and

> cats. i've been giving the cat yellowfin tuna, but in light of the recent

> discussion on mercury i'm concerned about toxicity.

> any suggestions of sources for recipes for home prepared food? i'm

> currently using a book called " home prepared dog & cat diets " by donald

> strombeck, dvm. pros/cons of the recommendations in this book?

>

> --

>

> Oriental Medicine

> Experienced, Dedicated, Effective

>

> Abstain from all that is evil.

> Perform all that is good.

> Purify your thoughts.

> This is the teaching of the Buddhas.

>

> Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality:

> http://acukath.blogspot.com/

>

> Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints

> Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist

> Available at Asheville Center for :

> www.FlyingDragonLiniment.com

>

> Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC

>

> Amazon.com

>

>

http://www.amazon.com/Flying-Dragon-Liniment-Eco-Friendly-Wild-Crafted/dp/B001OC\

1AZ2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8 & s=hpc & qid=1254968032 & sr=8-1

>

> and from the following supply companies:

> Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown

> https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1

>

> Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC

>

>

http://www.goldenneedleonline.com/index.php?page=categories & category=14 & vendor= & \

product=5554 & pg=

>

> Asheville Center For

> 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two

> Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777

> kbartlett

> www.AcupunctureAsheville.com

>

>

[Guest guest]

Patricia:

 

what do you know about onions and garlic for dogs and cats? a local vet

here (also a LAc) tells me studies are showing it causes diabetes in cats

and dogs? do you know that to be correct?

 

kath

 

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 5:19 PM, Patricia Jordan <

coastalcatclinic wrote:

 

>

> catnip is a mint

>

> most grass grown is oatgrass, they are after the tender young sprouts of

> high protein enzyme laden chlorophyll laden parts and sometimes just bite

> the strrand enough to innoculate them themselves.....dosen't take much.

>

> Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology

>

>

>

>

>

> Chinese Medicine

> acukath

> Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:21:38 -0500

> Re: tcm vets: veg diets for cats and dogs

>

>

>

>

>

> i've read about growing grass indoors for cats. you're recommending mint &

> chives. what are your feelings about catnip? i hear some cat owners don't

> like to give it, but don't know the reasons for that.

>

> kath

>

> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Patricia Jordan <

> coastalcatclinic wrote:

>

> >

> > Cats are obligate carnivores. I do not recommend any processed foods for

> > cats. Fresh raw food diets are the best. Many commercial producers of raw

> > food diets are available and this depends on where you live. My favorite

> is

> > Amore from British Columbia. Other producers are out there, Nature's

> Variety

> > is one example if you are ok with USDA quality. Paw Naturaw is another.

> If

> > you go to www.localharvest.com you can find organic grass fed free

> ranged

> > source of raw food diets and meats for pets. Feline Instincts is another

> > source for information on how to feed the Backyard Predator. I have

> > Stromberg's book and there are other sources but really who has the real

> > scientific validation of what constitutes a biologically appropriate raw

> > food (BARF) diet? I received diets in the TCVM Chinese Food Therapy

> classes

> > and other sources not available outside direct to clients. Some canned

> > versions of novel protein meats like Duck, Rabbit, Lamb etc are good for

> > when you can not feed raw or Spot's Stew by Halo the chicken and clams

> and

> > PetGuard that you can get from Whole Foods. If you design a diet there is

> > even help for that for a price but make sure your self designed diets do

> not

> > have only muscle meat much more important are the organ meats. Amore even

> > sells quail carcasses and ostrich which the cats really love along with

> wild

> > salmon and rabbit! If the cat remains inside you must also supply some

> > greens, my cats have their own gardens, with mints and chives, you can

> apply

> > chlorophyll juice to their foods.

> >

> > Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Chinese Traditional Medicine

> > acukath

> > Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:39:05 -0500

> > tcm vets: veg diets for cats and dogs

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > tcm vets: wondering about the pros/cons of vegetarian diets for dogs and

> > cats. i've been giving the cat yellowfin tuna, but in light of the recent

> > discussion on mercury i'm concerned about toxicity.

> > any suggestions of sources for recipes for home prepared food? i'm

> > currently using a book called " home prepared dog & cat diets " by donald

> > strombeck, dvm. pros/cons of the recommendations in this book?

> >

> > --

> >

> > Oriental Medicine

> > Experienced, Dedicated, Effective

> >

> > Abstain from all that is evil.

> > Perform all that is good.

> > Purify your thoughts.

> > This is the teaching of the Buddhas.

> >

> > Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality:

> > http://acukath.blogspot.com/

> >

> > Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints

> > Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist

> > Available at Asheville Center for :

> > www.FlyingDragonLiniment.com

> >

> > Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC

> >

> > Amazon.com

> >

> >

>

http://www.amazon.com/Flying-Dragon-Liniment-Eco-Friendly-Wild-Crafted/dp/B001OC\

1AZ2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8 & s=hpc & qid=1254968032 & sr=8-1

> >

> > and from the following supply companies:

> > Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown

> > https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1

> >

> > Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC

> >

> >

>

http://www.goldenneedleonline.com/index.php?page=categories & category=14 & vendor= & \

product=5554 & pg=

> >

> > Asheville Center For

> > 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two

> > Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777

> > kbartlett

> > www.AcupunctureAsheville.com

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

No. onion powder and onions have been linked to met hemoglobinemia in cats.

Garlic, I still feed garlic to dogs but there is a formula for safety. Many of

the baby food formulas contain onion powder and some people feeding this to cats

found the link that way. Garlic still often said to be said not to feed is

nothing I worry about so long as the amount is reasonable for size. Diabetes is

caused by vaccinations and in concert with bad food, crap in a bag for

cats....carbs, Also horses and dogs, the carbs and corn syrup in their foods

are causing in concert with the vaccine damage, diabetes, same in people.

 

Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology

 

 

 

> Chinese Medicine

> acukath

> Mon, 25 Jan 2010 15:48:00 -0500

> Re: tcm vets: veg diets for cats and dogs

>

> Patricia:

>

> what do you know about onions and garlic for dogs and cats? a local vet

> here (also a LAc) tells me studies are showing it causes diabetes in cats

> and dogs? do you know that to be correct?

>

> kath

>

> On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 5:19 PM, Patricia Jordan <

> coastalcatclinic wrote:

>

> >

> > catnip is a mint

> >

> > most grass grown is oatgrass, they are after the tender young sprouts of

> > high protein enzyme laden chlorophyll laden parts and sometimes just bite

> > the strrand enough to innoculate them themselves.....dosen't take much.

> >

> > Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Chinese Medicine

> > acukath

> > Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:21:38 -0500

> > Re: tcm vets: veg diets for cats and dogs

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > i've read about growing grass indoors for cats. you're recommending mint &

> > chives. what are your feelings about catnip? i hear some cat owners don't

> > like to give it, but don't know the reasons for that.

> >

> > kath

> >

> > On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Patricia Jordan <

> > coastalcatclinic wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > Cats are obligate carnivores. I do not recommend any processed foods for

> > > cats. Fresh raw food diets are the best. Many commercial producers of raw

> > > food diets are available and this depends on where you live. My favorite

> > is

> > > Amore from British Columbia. Other producers are out there, Nature's

> > Variety

> > > is one example if you are ok with USDA quality. Paw Naturaw is another.

> > If

> > > you go to www.localharvest.com you can find organic grass fed free

> > ranged

> > > source of raw food diets and meats for pets. Feline Instincts is another

> > > source for information on how to feed the Backyard Predator. I have

> > > Stromberg's book and there are other sources but really who has the real

> > > scientific validation of what constitutes a biologically appropriate raw

> > > food (BARF) diet? I received diets in the TCVM Chinese Food Therapy

> > classes

> > > and other sources not available outside direct to clients. Some canned

> > > versions of novel protein meats like Duck, Rabbit, Lamb etc are good for

> > > when you can not feed raw or Spot's Stew by Halo the chicken and clams

> > and

> > > PetGuard that you can get from Whole Foods. If you design a diet there is

> > > even help for that for a price but make sure your self designed diets do

> > not

> > > have only muscle meat much more important are the organ meats. Amore even

> > > sells quail carcasses and ostrich which the cats really love along with

> > wild

> > > salmon and rabbit! If the cat remains inside you must also supply some

> > > greens, my cats have their own gardens, with mints and chives, you can

> > apply

> > > chlorophyll juice to their foods.

> > >

> > > Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Chinese Traditional Medicine

> > > acukath

> > > Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:39:05 -0500

> > > tcm vets: veg diets for cats and dogs

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > tcm vets: wondering about the pros/cons of vegetarian diets for dogs and

> > > cats. i've been giving the cat yellowfin tuna, but in light of the recent

> > > discussion on mercury i'm concerned about toxicity.

> > > any suggestions of sources for recipes for home prepared food? i'm

> > > currently using a book called " home prepared dog & cat diets " by donald

> > > strombeck, dvm. pros/cons of the recommendations in this book?

> > >

> > > --

> > >

> > > Oriental Medicine

> > > Experienced, Dedicated, Effective

> > >

> > > Abstain from all that is evil.

> > > Perform all that is good.

> > > Purify your thoughts.

> > > This is the teaching of the Buddhas.

> > >

> > > Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality:

> > > http://acukath.blogspot.com/

> > >

> > > Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints

> > > Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist

> > > Available at Asheville Center for :

> > > www.FlyingDragonLiniment.com

> > >

> > > Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC

> > >

> > > Amazon.com

> > >

> > >

> >

http://www.amazon.com/Flying-Dragon-Liniment-Eco-Friendly-Wild-Crafted/dp/B001OC\

1AZ2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8 & s=hpc & qid=1254968032 & sr=8-1

> > >

> > > and from the following supply companies:

> > > Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown

> > > https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1

> > >

> > > Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC

> > >

> > >

> >

http://www.goldenneedleonline.com/index.php?page=categories & category=14 & vendor= & \

product=5554 & pg=

> > >

> > > Asheville Center For

> > > 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two

> > > Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777

> > > kbartlett

> > > www.AcupunctureAsheville.com

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

patricia:

 

saw the local vet today, who's also a LAc. she told me that onion (and i

thought garlic) causes blood dyscrasias and anemia. do you confirm that? i

recall her saying a year or so ago that also no onion/garlic for dogs for

the same reason.

 

kath

 

On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 11:50 PM, Patricia Jordan <

coastalcatclinic wrote:

 

>

> No. onion powder and onions have been linked to met hemoglobinemia in cats.

> Garlic, I still feed garlic to dogs but there is a formula for safety. Many

> of the baby food formulas contain onion powder and some people feeding this

> to cats found the link that way. Garlic still often said to be said not to

> feed is nothing I worry about so long as the amount is reasonable for size.

> Diabetes is caused by vaccinations and in concert with bad food, crap in a

> bag for cats....carbs, Also horses and dogs, the carbs and corn syrup in

> their foods are causing in concert with the vaccine damage, diabetes, same

> in people.

>

> Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology

>

>

>

> > Chinese Medicine

> > acukath

> > Mon, 25 Jan 2010 15:48:00 -0500

> > Re: tcm vets: veg diets for cats and dogs

> >

> > Patricia:

> >

> > what do you know about onions and garlic for dogs and cats? a local vet

> > here (also a LAc) tells me studies are showing it causes diabetes in cats

> > and dogs? do you know that to be correct?

> >

> > kath

> >

> > On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 5:19 PM, Patricia Jordan <

> > coastalcatclinic wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > catnip is a mint

> > >

> > > most grass grown is oatgrass, they are after the tender young sprouts

> of

> > > high protein enzyme laden chlorophyll laden parts and sometimes just

> bite

> > > the strrand enough to innoculate them themselves.....dosen't take much.

> > >

> > > Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Chinese Medicine

> > > acukath

> > > Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:21:38 -0500

> > > Re: tcm vets: veg diets for cats and dogs

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > i've read about growing grass indoors for cats. you're recommending

> mint &

> > > chives. what are your feelings about catnip? i hear some cat owners

> don't

> > > like to give it, but don't know the reasons for that.

> > >

> > > kath

> > >

> > > On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Patricia Jordan <

> > > coastalcatclinic wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Cats are obligate carnivores. I do not recommend any processed foods

> for

> > > > cats. Fresh raw food diets are the best. Many commercial producers of

> raw

> > > > food diets are available and this depends on where you live. My

> favorite

> > > is

> > > > Amore from British Columbia. Other producers are out there, Nature's

> > > Variety

> > > > is one example if you are ok with USDA quality. Paw Naturaw is

> another.

> > > If

> > > > you go to www.localharvest.com you can find organic grass fed free

> > > ranged

> > > > source of raw food diets and meats for pets. Feline Instincts is

> another

> > > > source for information on how to feed the Backyard Predator. I have

> > > > Stromberg's book and there are other sources but really who has the

> real

> > > > scientific validation of what constitutes a biologically appropriate

> raw

> > > > food (BARF) diet? I received diets in the TCVM Chinese Food Therapy

> > > classes

> > > > and other sources not available outside direct to clients. Some

> canned

> > > > versions of novel protein meats like Duck, Rabbit, Lamb etc are good

> for

> > > > when you can not feed raw or Spot's Stew by Halo the chicken and

> clams

> > > and

> > > > PetGuard that you can get from Whole Foods. If you design a diet

> there is

> > > > even help for that for a price but make sure your self designed diets

> do

> > > not

> > > > have only muscle meat much more important are the organ meats. Amore

> even

> > > > sells quail carcasses and ostrich which the cats really love along

> with

> > > wild

> > > > salmon and rabbit! If the cat remains inside you must also supply

> some

> > > > greens, my cats have their own gardens, with mints and chives, you

> can

> > > apply

> > > > chlorophyll juice to their foods.

> > > >

> > > > Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Chinese Traditional Medicine

> > > > acukath

> > > > Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:39:05 -0500

> > > > tcm vets: veg diets for cats and dogs

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > tcm vets: wondering about the pros/cons of vegetarian diets for dogs

> and

> > > > cats. i've been giving the cat yellowfin tuna, but in light of the

> recent

> > > > discussion on mercury i'm concerned about toxicity.

> > > > any suggestions of sources for recipes for home prepared food? i'm

> > > > currently using a book called " home prepared dog & cat diets " by

> donald

> > > > strombeck, dvm. pros/cons of the recommendations in this book?

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > >

> > > > Oriental Medicine

> > > > Experienced, Dedicated, Effective

> > > >

> > > > Abstain from all that is evil.

> > > > Perform all that is good.

> > > > Purify your thoughts.

> > > > This is the teaching of the Buddhas.

> > > >

> > > > Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality:

> > > > http://acukath.blogspot.com/

> > > >

> > > > Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints

> > > > Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist

> > > > Available at Asheville Center for :

> > > > www.FlyingDragonLiniment.com

> > > >

> > > > Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC

> > > >

> > > > Amazon.com

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

>

http://www.amazon.com/Flying-Dragon-Liniment-Eco-Friendly-Wild-Crafted/dp/B001OC\

1AZ2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8 & s=hpc & qid=1254968032 & sr=8-1

> > > >

> > > > and from the following supply companies:

> > > > Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown

> > > > https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1

> > > >

> > > > Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

>

http://www.goldenneedleonline.com/index.php?page=categories & category=14 & vendor= & \

product=5554 & pg=

> > > >

> > > > Asheville Center For

> > > > 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two

> > > > Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777

> > > > kbartlett

> > > > www.AcupunctureAsheville.com

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Yes, methemoglobinemia is a blood dyscrasia. However, garlic is still fed to

dogs without problems but there is a portion amount that is safe versus unsafe.

I know many holistic veterinarians whom do feed garlic to dogs and have without

issue but there is a problem with feeding too much. Cats, definitely do not feed

the onions.This topic came up in our Chinese Food Therapy Course. There is no

difference in the answer I already offered to you on this subject.....unless you

didn't know that met hemogobinemia is indeed a blood dyscrasia.

 

Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology

 

 

 

> Chinese Medicine

> acukath

> Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:17:47 -0500

> Re: tcm vets: veg diets for cats and dogs

>

> patricia:

>

> saw the local vet today, who's also a LAc. she told me that onion (and i

> thought garlic) causes blood dyscrasias and anemia. do you confirm that? i

> recall her saying a year or so ago that also no onion/garlic for dogs for

> the same reason.

>

> kath

>

> On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 11:50 PM, Patricia Jordan <

> coastalcatclinic wrote:

>

> >

> > No. onion powder and onions have been linked to met hemoglobinemia in cats.

> > Garlic, I still feed garlic to dogs but there is a formula for safety. Many

> > of the baby food formulas contain onion powder and some people feeding this

> > to cats found the link that way. Garlic still often said to be said not to

> > feed is nothing I worry about so long as the amount is reasonable for size.

> > Diabetes is caused by vaccinations and in concert with bad food, crap in a

> > bag for cats....carbs, Also horses and dogs, the carbs and corn syrup in

> > their foods are causing in concert with the vaccine damage, diabetes, same

> > in people.

> >

> > Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology

> >

> >

> >

> > > Chinese Medicine

> > > acukath

> > > Mon, 25 Jan 2010 15:48:00 -0500

> > > Re: tcm vets: veg diets for cats and dogs

> > >

> > > Patricia:

> > >

> > > what do you know about onions and garlic for dogs and cats? a local vet

> > > here (also a LAc) tells me studies are showing it causes diabetes in cats

> > > and dogs? do you know that to be correct?

> > >

> > > kath

> > >

> > > On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 5:19 PM, Patricia Jordan <

> > > coastalcatclinic wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > > catnip is a mint

> > > >

> > > > most grass grown is oatgrass, they are after the tender young sprouts

> > of

> > > > high protein enzyme laden chlorophyll laden parts and sometimes just

> > bite

> > > > the strrand enough to innoculate them themselves.....dosen't take much.

> > > >

> > > > Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Chinese Medicine

> > > > acukath

> > > > Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:21:38 -0500

> > > > Re: tcm vets: veg diets for cats and dogs

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > i've read about growing grass indoors for cats. you're recommending

> > mint &

> > > > chives. what are your feelings about catnip? i hear some cat owners

> > don't

> > > > like to give it, but don't know the reasons for that.

> > > >

> > > > kath

> > > >

> > > > On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Patricia Jordan <

> > > > coastalcatclinic wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Cats are obligate carnivores. I do not recommend any processed foods

> > for

> > > > > cats. Fresh raw food diets are the best. Many commercial producers of

> > raw

> > > > > food diets are available and this depends on where you live. My

> > favorite

> > > > is

> > > > > Amore from British Columbia. Other producers are out there, Nature's

> > > > Variety

> > > > > is one example if you are ok with USDA quality. Paw Naturaw is

> > another.

> > > > If

> > > > > you go to www.localharvest.com you can find organic grass fed free

> > > > ranged

> > > > > source of raw food diets and meats for pets. Feline Instincts is

> > another

> > > > > source for information on how to feed the Backyard Predator. I have

> > > > > Stromberg's book and there are other sources but really who has the

> > real

> > > > > scientific validation of what constitutes a biologically appropriate

> > raw

> > > > > food (BARF) diet? I received diets in the TCVM Chinese Food Therapy

> > > > classes

> > > > > and other sources not available outside direct to clients. Some

> > canned

> > > > > versions of novel protein meats like Duck, Rabbit, Lamb etc are good

> > for

> > > > > when you can not feed raw or Spot's Stew by Halo the chicken and

> > clams

> > > > and

> > > > > PetGuard that you can get from Whole Foods. If you design a diet

> > there is

> > > > > even help for that for a price but make sure your self designed diets

> > do

> > > > not

> > > > > have only muscle meat much more important are the organ meats. Amore

> > even

> > > > > sells quail carcasses and ostrich which the cats really love along

> > with

> > > > wild

> > > > > salmon and rabbit! If the cat remains inside you must also supply

> > some

> > > > > greens, my cats have their own gardens, with mints and chives, you

> > can

> > > > apply

> > > > > chlorophyll juice to their foods.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Chinese Traditional Medicine

> > > > > acukath

> > > > > Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:39:05 -0500

> > > > > tcm vets: veg diets for cats and dogs

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > tcm vets: wondering about the pros/cons of vegetarian diets for dogs

> > and

> > > > > cats. i've been giving the cat yellowfin tuna, but in light of the

> > recent

> > > > > discussion on mercury i'm concerned about toxicity.

> > > > > any suggestions of sources for recipes for home prepared food? i'm

> > > > > currently using a book called " home prepared dog & cat diets " by

> > donald

> > > > > strombeck, dvm. pros/cons of the recommendations in this book?

> > > > >

> > > > > --

> > > > >

> > > > > Oriental Medicine

> > > > > Experienced, Dedicated, Effective

> > > > >

> > > > > Abstain from all that is evil.

> > > > > Perform all that is good.

> > > > > Purify your thoughts.

> > > > > This is the teaching of the Buddhas.

> > > > >

> > > > > Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality:

> > > > > http://acukath.blogspot.com/

> > > > >

> > > > > Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints

> > > > > Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist

> > > > > Available at Asheville Center for :

> > > > > www.FlyingDragonLiniment.com

> > > > >

> > > > > Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC

> > > > >

> > > > > Amazon.com

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> >

http://www.amazon.com/Flying-Dragon-Liniment-Eco-Friendly-Wild-Crafted/dp/B001OC\

1AZ2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8 & s=hpc & qid=1254968032 & sr=8-1

> > > > >

> > > > > and from the following supply companies:

> > > > > Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown

> > > > > https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1

> > > > >

> > > > > Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> >

http://www.goldenneedleonline.com/index.php?page=categories & category=14 & vendor= & \

product=5554 & pg=

> > > > >

> > > > > Asheville Center For

> > > > > 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two

> > > > > Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777

> > > > > kbartlett

> > > > > www.AcupunctureAsheville.com

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

the local vet i saw this week also said no carbs for cats: protein only. do

you confirm that? what about for dogs?

 

the strombeck diet book uses rice in the recipes for dogs and cats. she

also felt the book was pretty good, but dated in terms of west med: 10y

old. has the research on the carbs changed?

 

kath

 

On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 11:30 PM, Patricia Jordan <

coastalcatclinic wrote:

 

>

> Yes, methemoglobinemia is a blood dyscrasia. However, garlic is still fed

> to dogs without problems but there is a portion amount that is safe versus

> unsafe. I know many holistic veterinarians whom do feed garlic to dogs and

> have without issue but there is a problem with feeding too much. Cats,

> definitely do not feed the onions.This topic came up in our Chinese Food

> Therapy Course. There is no difference in the answer I already offered to

> you on this subject.....unless you didn't know that met hemogobinemia is

> indeed a blood dyscrasia.

>

> Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology

>

>

>

> > Chinese Medicine

> > acukath

> > Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:17:47 -0500

> > Re: tcm vets: veg diets for cats and dogs

> >

> > patricia:

> >

> > saw the local vet today, who's also a LAc. she told me that onion (and i

> > thought garlic) causes blood dyscrasias and anemia. do you confirm that?

> i

> > recall her saying a year or so ago that also no onion/garlic for dogs for

> > the same reason.

> >

> > kath

> >

> > On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 11:50 PM, Patricia Jordan <

> > coastalcatclinic wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > No. onion powder and onions have been linked to met hemoglobinemia in

> cats.

> > > Garlic, I still feed garlic to dogs but there is a formula for safety.

> Many

> > > of the baby food formulas contain onion powder and some people feeding

> this

> > > to cats found the link that way. Garlic still often said to be said not

> to

> > > feed is nothing I worry about so long as the amount is reasonable for

> size.

> > > Diabetes is caused by vaccinations and in concert with bad food, crap

> in a

> > > bag for cats....carbs, Also horses and dogs, the carbs and corn syrup

> in

> > > their foods are causing in concert with the vaccine damage, diabetes,

> same

> > > in people.

> > >

> > > Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > Chinese Medicine

> > > > acukath

> > > > Mon, 25 Jan 2010 15:48:00 -0500

> > > > Re: tcm vets: veg diets for cats and dogs

> > > >

> > > > Patricia:

> > > >

> > > > what do you know about onions and garlic for dogs and cats? a local

> vet

> > > > here (also a LAc) tells me studies are showing it causes diabetes in

> cats

> > > > and dogs? do you know that to be correct?

> > > >

> > > > kath

> > > >

> > > > On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 5:19 PM, Patricia Jordan <

> > > > coastalcatclinic wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > catnip is a mint

> > > > >

> > > > > most grass grown is oatgrass, they are after the tender young

> sprouts

> > > of

> > > > > high protein enzyme laden chlorophyll laden parts and sometimes

> just

> > > bite

> > > > > the strrand enough to innoculate them themselves.....dosen't take

> much.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Chinese Medicine

> > > > > acukath

> > > > > Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:21:38 -0500

> > > > > Re: tcm vets: veg diets for cats and dogs

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > i've read about growing grass indoors for cats. you're recommending

> > > mint &

> > > > > chives. what are your feelings about catnip? i hear some cat owners

> > > don't

> > > > > like to give it, but don't know the reasons for that.

> > > > >

> > > > > kath

> > > > >

> > > > > On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Patricia Jordan <

> > > > > coastalcatclinic wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Cats are obligate carnivores. I do not recommend any processed

> foods

> > > for

> > > > > > cats. Fresh raw food diets are the best. Many commercial

> producers of

> > > raw

> > > > > > food diets are available and this depends on where you live. My

> > > favorite

> > > > > is

> > > > > > Amore from British Columbia. Other producers are out there,

> Nature's

> > > > > Variety

> > > > > > is one example if you are ok with USDA quality. Paw Naturaw is

> > > another.

> > > > > If

> > > > > > you go to www.localharvest.com you can find organic grass fed

> free

> > > > > ranged

> > > > > > source of raw food diets and meats for pets. Feline Instincts is

> > > another

> > > > > > source for information on how to feed the Backyard Predator. I

> have

> > > > > > Stromberg's book and there are other sources but really who has

> the

> > > real

> > > > > > scientific validation of what constitutes a biologically

> appropriate

> > > raw

> > > > > > food (BARF) diet? I received diets in the TCVM Chinese Food

> Therapy

> > > > > classes

> > > > > > and other sources not available outside direct to clients. Some

> > > canned

> > > > > > versions of novel protein meats like Duck, Rabbit, Lamb etc are

> good

> > > for

> > > > > > when you can not feed raw or Spot's Stew by Halo the chicken and

> > > clams

> > > > > and

> > > > > > PetGuard that you can get from Whole Foods. If you design a diet

> > > there is

> > > > > > even help for that for a price but make sure your self designed

> diets

> > > do

> > > > > not

> > > > > > have only muscle meat much more important are the organ meats.

> Amore

> > > even

> > > > > > sells quail carcasses and ostrich which the cats really love

> along

> > > with

> > > > > wild

> > > > > > salmon and rabbit! If the cat remains inside you must also supply

> > > some

> > > > > > greens, my cats have their own gardens, with mints and chives,

> you

> > > can

> > > > > apply

> > > > > > chlorophyll juice to their foods.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chinese Traditional Medicine

> > > > > > acukath

> > > > > > Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:39:05 -0500

> > > > > > tcm vets: veg diets for cats and dogs

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > tcm vets: wondering about the pros/cons of vegetarian diets for

> dogs

> > > and

> > > > > > cats. i've been giving the cat yellowfin tuna, but in light of

> the

> > > recent

> > > > > > discussion on mercury i'm concerned about toxicity.

> > > > > > any suggestions of sources for recipes for home prepared food?

> i'm

> > > > > > currently using a book called " home prepared dog & cat diets " by

> > > donald

> > > > > > strombeck, dvm. pros/cons of the recommendations in this book?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Oriental Medicine

> > > > > > Experienced, Dedicated, Effective

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Abstain from all that is evil.

> > > > > > Perform all that is good.

> > > > > > Purify your thoughts.

> > > > > > This is the teaching of the Buddhas.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living &

> Spirituality:

> > > > > > http://acukath.blogspot.com/

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles &

> joints

> > > > > > Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist

> > > > > > Available at Asheville Center for :

> > > > > > www.FlyingDragonLiniment.com

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Amazon.com

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > >

>

http://www.amazon.com/Flying-Dragon-Liniment-Eco-Friendly-Wild-Crafted/dp/B001OC\

1AZ2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8 & s=hpc & qid=1254968032 & sr=8-1

> > > > > >

> > > > > > and from the following supply companies:

> > > > > > Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown

> > > > > >

> https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > >

>

http://www.goldenneedleonline.com/index.php?page=categories & category=14 & vendor= & \

product=5554 & pg=

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Asheville Center For

> > > > > > 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two

> > > > > > Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777

> > > > > > kbartlett

> > > > > > www.AcupunctureAsheville.com

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Dogs and cats do not need the carbs. Dogs are omnivores so if there is little

food soruces, they can supplement with carbs however, no carbs for cats.Never

give dry food t cats, raw food or best quality canned food for cats only.

 

Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology

 

 

 

> Chinese Medicine

> acukath

> Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:08:44 -0500

> Re: tcm vets: veg diets for cats and dogs

>

> the local vet i saw this week also said no carbs for cats: protein only. do

> you confirm that? what about for dogs?

>

> the strombeck diet book uses rice in the recipes for dogs and cats. she

> also felt the book was pretty good, but dated in terms of west med: 10y

> old. has the research on the carbs changed?

>

> kath

>

> On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 11:30 PM, Patricia Jordan <

> coastalcatclinic wrote:

>

> >

> > Yes, methemoglobinemia is a blood dyscrasia. However, garlic is still fed

> > to dogs without problems but there is a portion amount that is safe versus

> > unsafe. I know many holistic veterinarians whom do feed garlic to dogs and

> > have without issue but there is a problem with feeding too much. Cats,

> > definitely do not feed the onions.This topic came up in our Chinese Food

> > Therapy Course. There is no difference in the answer I already offered to

> > you on this subject.....unless you didn't know that met hemogobinemia is

> > indeed a blood dyscrasia.

> >

> > Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology

> >

> >

> >

> > > Chinese Medicine

> > > acukath

> > > Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:17:47 -0500

> > > Re: tcm vets: veg diets for cats and dogs

> > >

> > > patricia:

> > >

> > > saw the local vet today, who's also a LAc. she told me that onion (and i

> > > thought garlic) causes blood dyscrasias and anemia. do you confirm that?

> > i

> > > recall her saying a year or so ago that also no onion/garlic for dogs for

> > > the same reason.

> > >

> > > kath

> > >

> > > On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 11:50 PM, Patricia Jordan <

> > > coastalcatclinic wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > > No. onion powder and onions have been linked to met hemoglobinemia in

> > cats.

> > > > Garlic, I still feed garlic to dogs but there is a formula for safety.

> > Many

> > > > of the baby food formulas contain onion powder and some people feeding

> > this

> > > > to cats found the link that way. Garlic still often said to be said not

> > to

> > > > feed is nothing I worry about so long as the amount is reasonable for

> > size.

> > > > Diabetes is caused by vaccinations and in concert with bad food, crap

> > in a

> > > > bag for cats....carbs, Also horses and dogs, the carbs and corn syrup

> > in

> > > > their foods are causing in concert with the vaccine damage, diabetes,

> > same

> > > > in people.

> > > >

> > > > Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Chinese Medicine

> > > > > acukath

> > > > > Mon, 25 Jan 2010 15:48:00 -0500

> > > > > Re: tcm vets: veg diets for cats and dogs

> > > > >

> > > > > Patricia:

> > > > >

> > > > > what do you know about onions and garlic for dogs and cats? a local

> > vet

> > > > > here (also a LAc) tells me studies are showing it causes diabetes in

> > cats

> > > > > and dogs? do you know that to be correct?

> > > > >

> > > > > kath

> > > > >

> > > > > On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 5:19 PM, Patricia Jordan <

> > > > > coastalcatclinic wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > catnip is a mint

> > > > > >

> > > > > > most grass grown is oatgrass, they are after the tender young

> > sprouts

> > > > of

> > > > > > high protein enzyme laden chlorophyll laden parts and sometimes

> > just

> > > > bite

> > > > > > the strrand enough to innoculate them themselves.....dosen't take

> > much.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chinese Medicine

> > > > > > acukath

> > > > > > Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:21:38 -0500

> > > > > > Re: tcm vets: veg diets for cats and dogs

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > i've read about growing grass indoors for cats. you're recommending

> > > > mint &

> > > > > > chives. what are your feelings about catnip? i hear some cat owners

> > > > don't

> > > > > > like to give it, but don't know the reasons for that.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > kath

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Patricia Jordan <

> > > > > > coastalcatclinic wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Cats are obligate carnivores. I do not recommend any processed

> > foods

> > > > for

> > > > > > > cats. Fresh raw food diets are the best. Many commercial

> > producers of

> > > > raw

> > > > > > > food diets are available and this depends on where you live. My

> > > > favorite

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > Amore from British Columbia. Other producers are out there,

> > Nature's

> > > > > > Variety

> > > > > > > is one example if you are ok with USDA quality. Paw Naturaw is

> > > > another.

> > > > > > If

> > > > > > > you go to www.localharvest.com you can find organic grass fed

> > free

> > > > > > ranged

> > > > > > > source of raw food diets and meats for pets. Feline Instincts is

> > > > another

> > > > > > > source for information on how to feed the Backyard Predator. I

> > have

> > > > > > > Stromberg's book and there are other sources but really who has

> > the

> > > > real

> > > > > > > scientific validation of what constitutes a biologically

> > appropriate

> > > > raw

> > > > > > > food (BARF) diet? I received diets in the TCVM Chinese Food

> > Therapy

> > > > > > classes

> > > > > > > and other sources not available outside direct to clients. Some

> > > > canned

> > > > > > > versions of novel protein meats like Duck, Rabbit, Lamb etc are

> > good

> > > > for

> > > > > > > when you can not feed raw or Spot's Stew by Halo the chicken and

> > > > clams

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > PetGuard that you can get from Whole Foods. If you design a diet

> > > > there is

> > > > > > > even help for that for a price but make sure your self designed

> > diets

> > > > do

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > have only muscle meat much more important are the organ meats.

> > Amore

> > > > even

> > > > > > > sells quail carcasses and ostrich which the cats really love

> > along

> > > > with

> > > > > > wild

> > > > > > > salmon and rabbit! If the cat remains inside you must also supply

> > > > some

> > > > > > > greens, my cats have their own gardens, with mints and chives,

> > you

> > > > can

> > > > > > apply

> > > > > > > chlorophyll juice to their foods.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chinese Traditional Medicine

> > > > > > > acukath

> > > > > > > Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:39:05 -0500

> > > > > > > tcm vets: veg diets for cats and dogs

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > tcm vets: wondering about the pros/cons of vegetarian diets for

> > dogs

> > > > and

> > > > > > > cats. i've been giving the cat yellowfin tuna, but in light of

> > the

> > > > recent

> > > > > > > discussion on mercury i'm concerned about toxicity.

> > > > > > > any suggestions of sources for recipes for home prepared food?

> > i'm

> > > > > > > currently using a book called " home prepared dog & cat diets " by

> > > > donald

> > > > > > > strombeck, dvm. pros/cons of the recommendations in this book?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Oriental Medicine

> > > > > > > Experienced, Dedicated, Effective

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Abstain from all that is evil.

> > > > > > > Perform all that is good.

> > > > > > > Purify your thoughts.

> > > > > > > This is the teaching of the Buddhas.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living &

> > Spirituality:

> > > > > > > http://acukath.blogspot.com/

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles &

> > joints

> > > > > > > Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist

> > > > > > > Available at Asheville Center for :

> > > > > > > www.FlyingDragonLiniment.com

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Amazon.com

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> >

http://www.amazon.com/Flying-Dragon-Liniment-Eco-Friendly-Wild-Crafted/dp/B001OC\

1AZ2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8 & s=hpc & qid=1254968032 & sr=8-1

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > and from the following supply companies:

> > > > > > > Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown

> > > > > > >

> > https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > >

> >

http://www.goldenneedleonline.com/index.php?page=categories & category=14 & vendor= & \

product=5554 & pg=

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Asheville Center For

> > > > > > > 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two

> > > > > > > Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777

> > > > > > > kbartlett

> > > > > > > www.AcupunctureAsheville.com

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Patricia:

 

i'm looking for books or websites with recipes i can peruse for dog and cat

diets.

 

ran across this book:

 

http://www.monicasegal.com/catalog/product.php?cPath=25 & products_id=66

 

are you familiar with it? would you recommend it for canines?

 

kath

 

On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 8:17 PM, Patricia Jordan <

coastalcatclinic wrote:

 

>

> Dogs and cats do not need the carbs. Dogs are omnivores so if there is

> little food soruces, they can supplement with carbs however, no carbs for

> cats.Never give dry food t cats, raw food or best quality canned food for

> cats only.

>

> Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology

>

>

>

> > Chinese Medicine

> > acukath

> > Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:08:44 -0500

> > Re: tcm vets: veg diets for cats and dogs

> >

> > the local vet i saw this week also said no carbs for cats: protein only.

> do

> > you confirm that? what about for dogs?

> >

> > the strombeck diet book uses rice in the recipes for dogs and cats. she

> > also felt the book was pretty good, but dated in terms of west med: 10y

> > old. has the research on the carbs changed?

> >

> > kath

> >

> > On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 11:30 PM, Patricia Jordan <

> > coastalcatclinic wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > Yes, methemoglobinemia is a blood dyscrasia. However, garlic is still

> fed

> > > to dogs without problems but there is a portion amount that is safe

> versus

> > > unsafe. I know many holistic veterinarians whom do feed garlic to dogs

> and

> > > have without issue but there is a problem with feeding too much. Cats,

> > > definitely do not feed the onions.This topic came up in our Chinese

> Food

> > > Therapy Course. There is no difference in the answer I already offered

> to

> > > you on this subject.....unless you didn't know that met hemogobinemia

> is

> > > indeed a blood dyscrasia.

> > >

> > > Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > Chinese Medicine

> > > > acukath

> > > > Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:17:47 -0500

> > > > Re: tcm vets: veg diets for cats and dogs

> > > >

> > > > patricia:

> > > >

> > > > saw the local vet today, who's also a LAc. she told me that onion

> (and i

> > > > thought garlic) causes blood dyscrasias and anemia. do you confirm

> that?

> > > i

> > > > recall her saying a year or so ago that also no onion/garlic for dogs

> for

> > > > the same reason.

> > > >

> > > > kath

> > > >

> > > > On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 11:50 PM, Patricia Jordan <

> > > > coastalcatclinic wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > No. onion powder and onions have been linked to met hemoglobinemia

> in

> > > cats.

> > > > > Garlic, I still feed garlic to dogs but there is a formula for

> safety.

> > > Many

> > > > > of the baby food formulas contain onion powder and some people

> feeding

> > > this

> > > > > to cats found the link that way. Garlic still often said to be said

> not

> > > to

> > > > > feed is nothing I worry about so long as the amount is reasonable

> for

> > > size.

> > > > > Diabetes is caused by vaccinations and in concert with bad food,

> crap

> > > in a

> > > > > bag for cats....carbs, Also horses and dogs, the carbs and corn

> syrup

> > > in

> > > > > their foods are causing in concert with the vaccine damage,

> diabetes,

> > > same

> > > > > in people.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Chinese Medicine

> > > > > > acukath

> > > > > > Mon, 25 Jan 2010 15:48:00 -0500

> > > > > > Re: tcm vets: veg diets for cats and dogs

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Patricia:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > what do you know about onions and garlic for dogs and cats? a

> local

> > > vet

> > > > > > here (also a LAc) tells me studies are showing it causes diabetes

> in

> > > cats

> > > > > > and dogs? do you know that to be correct?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > kath

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 5:19 PM, Patricia Jordan <

> > > > > > coastalcatclinic wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > catnip is a mint

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > most grass grown is oatgrass, they are after the tender young

> > > sprouts

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > high protein enzyme laden chlorophyll laden parts and sometimes

> > > just

> > > > > bite

> > > > > > > the strrand enough to innoculate them themselves.....dosen't

> take

> > > much.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Chinese Medicine

> > > > > > > acukath

> > > > > > > Thu, 21 Jan 2010 16:21:38 -0500

> > > > > > > Re: tcm vets: veg diets for cats and dogs

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > i've read about growing grass indoors for cats. you're

> recommending

> > > > > mint &

> > > > > > > chives. what are your feelings about catnip? i hear some cat

> owners

> > > > > don't

> > > > > > > like to give it, but don't know the reasons for that.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > kath

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 3:49 PM, Patricia Jordan <

> > > > > > > coastalcatclinic wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Cats are obligate carnivores. I do not recommend any

> processed

> > > foods

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > > cats. Fresh raw food diets are the best. Many commercial

> > > producers of

> > > > > raw

> > > > > > > > food diets are available and this depends on where you live.

> My

> > > > > favorite

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > Amore from British Columbia. Other producers are out there,

> > > Nature's

> > > > > > > Variety

> > > > > > > > is one example if you are ok with USDA quality. Paw Naturaw

> is

> > > > > another.

> > > > > > > If

> > > > > > > > you go to www.localharvest.com you can find organic grass

> fed

> > > free

> > > > > > > ranged

> > > > > > > > source of raw food diets and meats for pets. Feline Instincts

> is

> > > > > another

> > > > > > > > source for information on how to feed the Backyard Predator.

> I

> > > have

> > > > > > > > Stromberg's book and there are other sources but really who

> has

> > > the

> > > > > real

> > > > > > > > scientific validation of what constitutes a biologically

> > > appropriate

> > > > > raw

> > > > > > > > food (BARF) diet? I received diets in the TCVM Chinese Food

> > > Therapy

> > > > > > > classes

> > > > > > > > and other sources not available outside direct to clients.

> Some

> > > > > canned

> > > > > > > > versions of novel protein meats like Duck, Rabbit, Lamb etc

> are

> > > good

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > > when you can not feed raw or Spot's Stew by Halo the chicken

> and

> > > > > clams

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > PetGuard that you can get from Whole Foods. If you design a

> diet

> > > > > there is

> > > > > > > > even help for that for a price but make sure your self

> designed

> > > diets

> > > > > do

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > have only muscle meat much more important are the organ

> meats.

> > > Amore

> > > > > even

> > > > > > > > sells quail carcasses and ostrich which the cats really love

> > > along

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > wild

> > > > > > > > salmon and rabbit! If the cat remains inside you must also

> supply

> > > > > some

> > > > > > > > greens, my cats have their own gardens, with mints and

> chives,

> > > you

> > > > > can

> > > > > > > apply

> > > > > > > > chlorophyll juice to their foods.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Chinese Traditional Medicine

> > > > > > > > acukath

> > > > > > > > Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:39:05 -0500

> > > > > > > > tcm vets: veg diets for cats and dogs

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > tcm vets: wondering about the pros/cons of vegetarian diets

> for

> > > dogs

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > cats. i've been giving the cat yellowfin tuna, but in light

> of

> > > the

> > > > > recent

> > > > > > > > discussion on mercury i'm concerned about toxicity.

> > > > > > > > any suggestions of sources for recipes for home prepared

> food?

> > > i'm

> > > > > > > > currently using a book called " home prepared dog & cat diets "

> by

> > > > > donald

> > > > > > > > strombeck, dvm. pros/cons of the recommendations in this

> book?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Oriental Medicine

> > > > > > > > Experienced, Dedicated, Effective

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Abstain from all that is evil.

> > > > > > > > Perform all that is good.

> > > > > > > > Purify your thoughts.

> > > > > > > > This is the teaching of the Buddhas.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living &

> > > Spirituality:

> > > > > > > > http://acukath.blogspot.com/

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles &

> > > joints

> > > > > > > > Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist

> > > > > > > > Available at Asheville Center for :

> > > > > > > > www.FlyingDragonLiniment.com

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Amazon.com

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > >

>

http://www.amazon.com/Flying-Dragon-Liniment-Eco-Friendly-Wild-Crafted/dp/B001OC\

1AZ2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8 & s=hpc & qid=1254968032 & sr=8-1

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > and from the following supply companies:

> > > > > > > > Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown

> > > > > > > >

> > > https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler,

> NC

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > >

>

http://www.goldenneedleonline.com/index.php?page=categories & category=14 & vendor= & \

product=5554 & pg=

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Asheville Center For

> > > > > > > > 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two

> > > > > > > > Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777

> > > > > > > > kbartlett

> > > > > > > > www.AcupunctureAsheville.com

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Congratulations Kath. I think you have set the record for the longest unedited

email (30 pages of detritus from previous emails!).David