Jetison the term psycho-spiritual

[Guest guest]

Lonny: Just a note. In my books I used the term " psycho-spiritual " and I regret

it. It is clear to me that the psychological realm, and that which is

authentically spiritual, have little to nothing to do with each other. The

psychological realm exists within the domain of ego and is always based in a

bottom up perspective in which more time is needed (forever) for " healing " . It's

intention is always to use whatever time it has left incarnated to overcome it's

past. The spirit is the dimension of the self that is never wounded, victimized,

or traumatized. Spirit only takes a top down perspective and is only concerned

with creating a better more wholesome future, right now. The authentic spiritual

perspective offers the opportunity to see whatever is not straight in the

relative psychological realm from an absolute dimension from outside of it.

TO sum, I think it's fair to talk of " psycho-emotional " issues. But I can

only see the notion of " psycho-spiritual " as a humanistic, postmodern, and

sensitive self distortion of the proper relationship between the two realms. I

regret having added to the confusion in my own texts.

[Guest guest]

Lonny - I agree that it was never appropriate to equate psychology with spirit.

However, do you view it as possible to use " psycho-spiritual " as an axis of

travel between the two?

 

That said, I am not clear on your take re the ego. I seem to be reading you to

say that it is, wholesale, a negative thing, i.e. " not related " to the " truly "

spiritual.

 

Thanks,

 

Hugo

 

________________________________

Hugo Ramiro

http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com

http://www.middlemedicine.org

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Lon -

 

I agree. Jettison psycho-spiritual. But also please jettison psycho-emotional.

The rest of the professional American healthcare culture uses the term

psycho-social (this is certainly consistent with positivist points of view of

modernity, but also contructivist views of post-modernity).

 

We should know what we are doing and why. I agree that spiritual disorders are

separate. However, the trans-personal psychology movement certainly addresses an

array of transcendent phenomena.

 

Warmly,

 

Will

 

Chinese Medicine , " Lonny " <Revolution

wrote:

>

> Lonny: Just a note. In my books I used the term " psycho-spiritual " and I

regret it. It is clear to me that the psychological realm, and that which is

authentically spiritual, have little to nothing to do with each other. The

psychological realm exists within the domain of ego and is always based in a

bottom up perspective in which more time is needed (forever) for " healing " . It's

intention is always to use whatever time it has left incarnated to overcome it's

past. The spirit is the dimension of the self that is never wounded, victimized,

or traumatized. Spirit only takes a top down perspective and is only concerned

with creating a better more wholesome future, right now. The authentic spiritual

perspective offers the opportunity to see whatever is not straight in the

relative psychological realm from an absolute dimension from outside of it.

> TO sum, I think it's fair to talk of " psycho-emotional " issues. But I can

only see the notion of " psycho-spiritual " as a humanistic, postmodern, and

sensitive self distortion of the proper relationship between the two realms. I

regret having added to the confusion in my own texts.

>

[Guest guest]

Will: But also please jettison psycho-emotional.

 

Lonny: I'm not sure of this Will. The fact is that the postmodern, sensitive,

self is morbidly infatuated with it's emotional state from a psychological

perspective. This perspective creates the illusion that life will get better

" once I've worked things out, but I need more time. " " I'll be better when I feel

better " I do agree that we should get rid of this old, dead, perspective but I

suspect that the term " psycho-emotional " describes it fairly well.

 

 

 

Will: We should know what we are doing and why. I agree that spiritual disorders

are separate. However, the trans-personal psychology movement certainly

addresses an array of transcendent phenomena.

 

Lonny: I will suggest that there are NO spiritual disorders and that this notion

reflects the animistic, superstitious roots of the medicine. I'll suggest that

everything, including possession, that is considered to be a " spiritual

disorder " in CM falls under the domain of " ego " as " the illusion of a separate

self " . I went deeply into this in my Clinical Practice text.

Again, I'd define spirit as that which can never be touched by life. It

can certainly be obscured, but the only barrier is ego. Spirit is the gold

standard of sanity. It is that which is always objective, unsullied, and

absolute, unvarying through time and circumstance in its infinite positivity.

[Guest guest]

Lonny,

 

 

 

I maybe missing something here. You mention, " Again, I'd define spirit as that

which can never be touched by life " and yet I recall that treating or protecting

the Shen is paramount. So are you suggesting that we cannot affect the Shen

with the work we do? Can you explain more about your concept and if you are

equating Shen and the term spirit?

 

Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

 

 

 

 

 

 

Chinese Medicine

Revolution

Thu, 11 Feb 2010 12:49:00 +0000

Re: Jetison the term " psycho-spiritual "

 

 

 

 

 

Will: But also please jettison psycho-emotional.

 

Lonny: I'm not sure of this Will. The fact is that the postmodern, sensitive,

self is morbidly infatuated with it's emotional state from a psychological

perspective. This perspective creates the illusion that life will get better

" once I've worked things out, but I need more time. " " I'll be better when I feel

better " I do agree that we should get rid of this old, dead, perspective but I

suspect that the term " psycho-emotional " describes it fairly well.

 

Will: We should know what we are doing and why. I agree that spiritual disorders

are separate. However, the trans-personal psychology movement certainly

addresses an array of transcendent phenomena.

 

Lonny: I will suggest that there are NO spiritual disorders and that this notion

reflects the animistic, superstitious roots of the medicine. I'll suggest that

everything, including possession, that is considered to be a " spiritual

disorder " in CM falls under the domain of " ego " as " the illusion of a separate

self " . I went deeply into this in my Clinical Practice text.

Again, I'd define spirit as that which can never be touched by life. It can

certainly be obscured, but the only barrier is ego. Spirit is the gold standard

of sanity. It is that which is always objective, unsullied, and absolute,

unvarying through time and circumstance in its infinite positivity.

 

 

 

 

 

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