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i have a couple of patients recently telling me their insurance company is

requiring my tax id # to pay them on a subform. the patients have paid me

at time of service, and are trying to get reimbursed by their insurance

companies. the insurance company is sending payment to the patient, not me,

so i see no reason to give my ss#. i have provided an NPI#. the ss number

was provided in the application process for the NPI#. also, i had thought

it was now illegal for the insur co's to require my tax id#, now that the

NPI# are being used.

 

i am reluctant to provide my ss# for privacy and security issues.

 

does anyone have info on this issue?

 

kath

 

 

 

--

Kath Bartlett, LAc, MS, BA UCLA

Oriental Medicine

Experienced, Dedicated, Effective

 

 

Abstain from all that is evil.

Perform all that is good.

Purify your thoughts.

This is the teaching of the Buddhas.

 

 

Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality:

http://acukath.blogspot.com/

 

Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints

Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist

Available at Asheville Center for :

www.FlyingDragonLiniment.com

 

Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC

 

Amazon.com

http://www.amazon.com/Flying-Dragon-Liniment-Eco-Friendly-Wild-Crafted/dp/B001OC\

1AZ2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8 & s=hpc & qid=1254968032 & sr=8-1

 

 

and from the following supply companies:

Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown

https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1

 

Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC

http://www.goldenneedleonline.com/index.php?page=categories & category=14 & vendor= & \

product=5554 & pg=

 

 

Asheville Center For

70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two

Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777

kbartlett

www.AcupunctureAsheville.com

 

 

 

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Apply for a FedID # and give them that...

 

On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 7:31 AM,

wrote:

 

>

>

> i have a couple of patients recently telling me their insurance company is

> requiring my tax id # to pay them on a subform. the patients have paid me

> at time of service, and are trying to get reimbursed by their insurance

> companies. the insurance company is sending payment to the patient, not me,

> so i see no reason to give my ss#. i have provided an NPI#. the ss number

> was provided in the application process for the NPI#. also, i had thought

> it was now illegal for the insur co's to require my tax id#, now that the

> NPI# are being used.

>

> i am reluctant to provide my ss# for privacy and security issues.

>

> does anyone have info on this issue?

>

> kath

>

> --

>

> Oriental Medicine

> Experienced, Dedicated, Effective

>

> Abstain from all that is evil.

> Perform all that is good.

> Purify your thoughts.

> This is the teaching of the Buddhas.

>

> Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality:

> http://acukath.blogspot.com/

>

> Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints

> Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist

> Available at Asheville Center for :

> www.FlyingDragonLiniment.com <http://www.flyingdragonliniment.com/>

>

> Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC

>

> Amazon.com

>

>

http://www.amazon.com/Flying-Dragon-Liniment-Eco-Friendly-Wild-Crafted/dp/B001OC\

1AZ2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8 & s=hpc & qid=1254968032 & sr=8-1

>

> and from the following supply companies:

> Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown

> https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1

>

> Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC

>

>

http://www.goldenneedleonline.com/index.php?page=categories & category=14 & vendor= & \

product=5554 & pg=

>

> Asheville Center For

> 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two

> Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777

> kbartlett <kbartlett%40AcupunctureAsheville.com>

> www.AcupunctureAsheville.com <http://www.acupunctureasheville.com/>

>

>

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Kath:  I would apply for a Tax ID from IRS.  It also requires your Social

Security to apply.  It is a fairly quick process.

 

 

 

1. A Tax ID # - this is so they can see you are a business, even if a sole

proprietor.  You can go on line to IRS and find form

 

SS-4 Application for Employer Identification Number.  You may have to fax it in

and of course nothing is open now.  They send it to you in a few days.  Don't

remember if there is a charge but it so it is minimal.

 

 

 

I just gave this info (along with other numbers to get) to my new independent

contractor.

 

 

 

On Insurance Receipts I would have:

 

 

 

Name (with the alphabet after it)

 

Mailing Address

 

Phone number  Fax #

 

 

 

License #

 

Tax I.D. #

 

NPI #

 

 

 

I also have a non-par # with Blue Cross of Maryland (don't know if that really

helps the reimbursement process)

 

 

 

My patients never have trouble with these identifying numbers.  I would just

play ball and get the Tax ID and stick it on there.  Less hassle.

 

 

 

I learned about all this when I was in acupuncture school, busy as a one-armed

wall paper hanger.  I started filing my practitioner's receipts with MAMSI. 

They would kick it back - where is this, where is that.  This went on so long I

almost gave up.  Then when I started my business, I stuck all of it on there to

avoid any rejections for this reason.

 

 

 

I am now having to call my personal health insurance co for other

practitioner's receipts I am seeing (also my daughter is seeing an

acupuncturist in another state.)  They are nitpicking things and I have to get

on the phone for, oh I don't know, a half hour maybe an hour to resolve what is

not on the receipts.  I would make it as easy as possible for them.  There is

a lot of money on the table for them.

 

 

 

Anne C. Crowley, L.Ac., Dipl.Ac.

www.LaPlataAcupuncture.com

 

-

" "

" PCOM Alumni " <alumni

Cc: " TCM List " <Chinese Traditional Medicine >

Wednesday, February 10, 2010 10:31:58 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern

 insurance co's require tax id# for subforms?

 

 

 

 

 

 

i have a couple of patients recently telling me their insurance company is

requiring my tax id # to pay them on a subform. the patients have paid me

at time of service, and are trying to get reimbursed by their insurance

companies. the insurance company is sending payment to the patient, not me,

so i see no reason to give my ss#. i have provided an NPI#. the ss number

was provided in the application process for the NPI#. also, i had thought

it was now illegal for the insur co's to require my tax id#, now that the

NPI# are being used.

 

i am reluctant to provide my ss# for privacy and security issues.

 

does anyone have info on this issue?

 

kath

 

--

 

Oriental Medicine

Experienced, Dedicated, Effective

 

Abstain from all that is evil.

Perform all that is good.

Purify your thoughts.

This is the teaching of the Buddhas.

 

Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality:

http://acukath.blogspot.com/

 

Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints

Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist

Available at Asheville Center for :

www.FlyingDragonLiniment.com

 

Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC

 

Amazon.com

http://www.amazon.com/Flying-Dragon-Liniment-Eco-Friendly-Wild-Crafted/dp/B001OC\

1AZ2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8 & s=hpc & qid=1254968032 & sr=8-1

 

and from the following supply companies:

Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown

https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1

 

Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC

http://www.goldenneedleonline.com/index.php?page=categories & category=14 & vendor= & \

product=5554 & pg=

 

Asheville Center For

70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two

Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777

kbartlett

www.AcupunctureAsheville.com

 

 

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what are the security/privacy risks of putting the tax id on the form? can

they legally require it for reimbursement on a subform, when the check gets

cut to the practitioner and not to the patient?

 

k

 

On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Anne Crowley <anne.crowleywrote:

 

>

>

>

>

> Kath: I would apply for a Tax ID from IRS. It also requires your Social

> Security to apply. It is a fairly quick process.

>

> 1. A Tax ID # - this is so they can see you are a business, even if a sole

> proprietor. You can go on line to IRS and find form

>

> SS-4 Application for Employer Identification Number. You may have to fax

> it in and of course nothing is open now. They send it to you in a few

> days. Don't remember if there is a charge but it so it is minimal.

>

> I just gave this info (along with other numbers to get) to my new

> independent contractor.

>

> On Insurance Receipts I would have:

>

> Name (with the alphabet after it)

>

> Mailing Address

>

> Phone number Fax #

>

> License #

>

> Tax I.D. #

>

> NPI #

>

> I also have a non-par # with Blue Cross of Maryland (don't know if that

> really helps the reimbursement process)

>

> My patients never have trouble with these identifying numbers. I would

> just play ball and get the Tax ID and stick it on there. Less hassle.

>

> I learned about all this when I was in acupuncture school, busy as a

> one-armed wall paper hanger. I started filing my practitioner's receipts

> with MAMSI. They would kick it back - where is this, where is that. This

> went on so long I almost gave up. Then when I started my business, I stuck

> all of it on there to avoid any rejections for this reason.

>

> I am now having to call my personal health insurance co for other

> practitioner's receipts I am seeing (also my daughter is seeing an

> acupuncturist in another state.) They are nitpicking things and I have to

> get on the phone for, oh I don't know, a half hour maybe an hour to resolve

> what is not on the receipts. I would make it as easy as possible for them.

> There is a lot of money on the table for them.

>

> Anne C. Crowley, L.Ac., Dipl.Ac.

> www.LaPlataAcupuncture.com

>

> -

> " " <acukath <acukath%40gmail.com>>

> " PCOM Alumni " <alumni <alumni%40pacificcollege.edu>>

>

> Cc: " TCM List "

<Chinese Traditional Medicine <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40yah\

oogroups.com>>

>

> Wednesday, February 10, 2010 10:31:58 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern

>

> insurance co's require tax id# for subforms?

>

>

>

> i have a couple of patients recently telling me their insurance company is

> requiring my tax id # to pay them on a subform. the patients have paid me

> at time of service, and are trying to get reimbursed by their insurance

> companies. the insurance company is sending payment to the patient, not me,

>

> so i see no reason to give my ss#. i have provided an NPI#. the ss number

> was provided in the application process for the NPI#. also, i had thought

> it was now illegal for the insur co's to require my tax id#, now that the

> NPI# are being used.

>

> i am reluctant to provide my ss# for privacy and security issues.

>

> does anyone have info on this issue?

>

> kath

>

> --

>

> Oriental Medicine

> Experienced, Dedicated, Effective

>

> Abstain from all that is evil.

> Perform all that is good.

> Purify your thoughts.

> This is the teaching of the Buddhas.

>

> Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality:

> http://acukath.blogspot.com/

>

> Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints

> Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist

> Available at Asheville Center for :

> www.FlyingDragonLiniment.com

>

> Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC

>

> Amazon.com

>

>

http://www.amazon.com/Flying-Dragon-Liniment-Eco-Friendly-Wild-Crafted/dp/B001OC\

1AZ2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8 & s=hpc & qid=1254968032 & sr=8-1

>

> and from the following supply companies:

> Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown

> https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1

>

> Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC

>

>

http://www.goldenneedleonline.com/index.php?page=categories & category=14 & vendor= & \

product=5554 & pg=

>

> Asheville Center For

> 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two

> Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777

> kbartlett <kbartlett%40AcupunctureAsheville.com>

> www.AcupunctureAsheville.com

>

>

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sorry: i meant to say when the check gets cut to the patient and not the

practitioner.

 

k

 

On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 1:22 PM,

wrote:

 

> what are the security/privacy risks of putting the tax id on the form? can

> they legally require it for reimbursement on a subform, when the check gets

> cut to the practitioner and not to the patient?

>

> k

>

>

> On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Anne Crowley <anne.crowleywrote:

>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> Kath: I would apply for a Tax ID from IRS. It also requires your Social

>> Security to apply. It is a fairly quick process.

>>

>> 1. A Tax ID # - this is so they can see you are a business, even if a sole

>> proprietor. You can go on line to IRS and find form

>>

>> SS-4 Application for Employer Identification Number. You may have to fax

>> it in and of course nothing is open now. They send it to you in a few

>> days. Don't remember if there is a charge but it so it is minimal.

>>

>> I just gave this info (along with other numbers to get) to my new

>> independent contractor.

>>

>> On Insurance Receipts I would have:

>>

>> Name (with the alphabet after it)

>>

>> Mailing Address

>>

>> Phone number Fax #

>>

>> License #

>>

>> Tax I.D. #

>>

>> NPI #

>>

>> I also have a non-par # with Blue Cross of Maryland (don't know if that

>> really helps the reimbursement process)

>>

>> My patients never have trouble with these identifying numbers. I would

>> just play ball and get the Tax ID and stick it on there. Less hassle.

>>

>> I learned about all this when I was in acupuncture school, busy as a

>> one-armed wall paper hanger. I started filing my practitioner's receipts

>> with MAMSI. They would kick it back - where is this, where is that. This

>> went on so long I almost gave up. Then when I started my business, I stuck

>> all of it on there to avoid any rejections for this reason.

>>

>> I am now having to call my personal health insurance co for other

>> practitioner's receipts I am seeing (also my daughter is seeing an

>> acupuncturist in another state.) They are nitpicking things and I have to

>> get on the phone for, oh I don't know, a half hour maybe an hour to resolve

>> what is not on the receipts. I would make it as easy as possible for them.

>> There is a lot of money on the table for them.

>>

>> Anne C. Crowley, L.Ac., Dipl.Ac.

>> www.LaPlataAcupuncture.com

>>

>> -

>> " " <acukath <acukath%40gmail.com>>

>> " PCOM Alumni " <alumni<alumni%40pacificcollege.edu>>

>>

>> Cc: " TCM List "

<Chinese Traditional Medicine <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40yah\

oogroups.com>>

>>

>> Wednesday, February 10, 2010 10:31:58 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada

>> Eastern

>> insurance co's require tax id# for subforms?

>>

>>

>>

>> i have a couple of patients recently telling me their insurance company is

>>

>> requiring my tax id # to pay them on a subform. the patients have paid me

>> at time of service, and are trying to get reimbursed by their insurance

>> companies. the insurance company is sending payment to the patient, not

>> me,

>> so i see no reason to give my ss#. i have provided an NPI#. the ss number

>> was provided in the application process for the NPI#. also, i had thought

>> it was now illegal for the insur co's to require my tax id#, now that the

>> NPI# are being used.

>>

>> i am reluctant to provide my ss# for privacy and security issues.

>>

>> does anyone have info on this issue?

>>

>> kath

>>

>>

>

 

--

Kath Bartlett, LAc, MS, BA UCLA

Oriental Medicine

Experienced, Dedicated, Effective

 

 

Abstain from all that is evil.

Perform all that is good.

Purify your thoughts.

This is the teaching of the Buddhas.

 

 

Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality:

http://acukath.blogspot.com/

 

Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints

Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist

Available at Asheville Center for :

www.FlyingDragonLiniment.com

 

Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC

 

Amazon.com

http://www.amazon.com/Flying-Dragon-Liniment-Eco-Friendly-Wild-Crafted/dp/B001OC\

1AZ2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8 & s=hpc & qid=1254968032 & sr=8-1

 

 

and from the following supply companies:

Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown

https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1

 

Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC

http://www.goldenneedleonline.com/index.php?page=categories & category=14 & vendor= & \

product=5554 & pg=

 

 

Asheville Center For

70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two

Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777

kbartlett

www.AcupunctureAsheville.com

 

 

 

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You can apply for an EIN

online....https://sa2.www4.irs.gov/modiein/individual/index.jsp

 

I don't think you are going to have much choice in the matter, or that it is

worth working against. Like the others have said, though, I would use an EIN

over your SSN.

 

Sean

 

On Feb 10, 2010, at 1:23 PM, wrote:

 

> sorry: i meant to say when the check gets cut to the patient and not the

> practitioner.

>

> k

>

> On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 1:22 PM,

> wrote:

>

> > what are the security/privacy risks of putting the tax id on the form? can

> > they legally require it for reimbursement on a subform, when the check gets

> > cut to the practitioner and not to the patient?

> >

> > k

> >

> >

> > On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Anne Crowley

<anne.crowleywrote:

> >

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> Kath: I would apply for a Tax ID from IRS. It also requires your Social

> >> Security to apply. It is a fairly quick process.

> >>

> >> 1. A Tax ID # - this is so they can see you are a business, even if a sole

> >> proprietor. You can go on line to IRS and find form

> >>

> >> SS-4 Application for Employer Identification Number. You may have to fax

> >> it in and of course nothing is open now. They send it to you in a few

> >> days. Don't remember if there is a charge but it so it is minimal.

> >>

> >> I just gave this info (along with other numbers to get) to my new

> >> independent contractor.

> >>

> >> On Insurance Receipts I would have:

> >>

> >> Name (with the alphabet after it)

> >>

> >> Mailing Address

> >>

> >> Phone number Fax #

> >>

> >> License #

> >>

> >> Tax I.D. #

> >>

> >> NPI #

> >>

> >> I also have a non-par # with Blue Cross of Maryland (don't know if that

> >> really helps the reimbursement process)

> >>

> >> My patients never have trouble with these identifying numbers. I would

> >> just play ball and get the Tax ID and stick it on there. Less hassle.

> >>

> >> I learned about all this when I was in acupuncture school, busy as a

> >> one-armed wall paper hanger. I started filing my practitioner's receipts

> >> with MAMSI. They would kick it back - where is this, where is that. This

> >> went on so long I almost gave up. Then when I started my business, I stuck

> >> all of it on there to avoid any rejections for this reason.

> >>

> >> I am now having to call my personal health insurance co for other

> >> practitioner's receipts I am seeing (also my daughter is seeing an

> >> acupuncturist in another state.) They are nitpicking things and I have to

> >> get on the phone for, oh I don't know, a half hour maybe an hour to resolve

> >> what is not on the receipts. I would make it as easy as possible for them.

> >> There is a lot of money on the table for them.

> >>

> >> Anne C. Crowley, L.Ac., Dipl.Ac.

> >> www.LaPlataAcupuncture.com

> >>

> >> -

> >> " " <acukath <acukath%40gmail.com>>

> >> " PCOM Alumni " <alumni<alumni%40pacificcollege.edu>>

> >>

> >> Cc: " TCM List "

<Chinese Traditional Medicine <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40yah\

oogroups.com>>

> >>

> >> Wednesday, February 10, 2010 10:31:58 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada

> >> Eastern

> >> insurance co's require tax id# for subforms?

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> i have a couple of patients recently telling me their insurance company is

> >>

> >> requiring my tax id # to pay them on a subform. the patients have paid me

> >> at time of service, and are trying to get reimbursed by their insurance

> >> companies. the insurance company is sending payment to the patient, not

> >> me,

> >> so i see no reason to give my ss#. i have provided an NPI#. the ss number

> >> was provided in the application process for the NPI#. also, i had thought

> >> it was now illegal for the insur co's to require my tax id#, now that the

> >> NPI# are being used.

> >>

> >> i am reluctant to provide my ss# for privacy and security issues.

> >>

> >> does anyone have info on this issue?

> >>

> >> kath

> >>

> >>

> >

>

> --

>

> Oriental Medicine

> Experienced, Dedicated, Effective

>

> Abstain from all that is evil.

> Perform all that is good.

> Purify your thoughts.

> This is the teaching of the Buddhas.

>

> Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality:

> http://acukath.blogspot.com/

>

> Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints

> Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist

> Available at Asheville Center for :

> www.FlyingDragonLiniment.com

>

> Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC

>

> Amazon.com

>

http://www.amazon.com/Flying-Dragon-Liniment-Eco-Friendly-Wild-Crafted/dp/B001OC\

1AZ2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8 & s=hpc & qid=1254968032 & sr=8-1

>

> and from the following supply companies:

> Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown

> https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1

>

> Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC

>

http://www.goldenneedleonline.com/index.php?page=categories & category=14 & vendor= & \

product=5554 & pg=

>

> Asheville Center For

> 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two

> Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777

> kbartlett

> www.AcupunctureAsheville.com

>

>

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They can legally require it. I don't think there are any great risks.  Someone

I met was wanting to do Reikki or something similar in a Vet's office.  The

Vet  was excited about having her work there, but required her to get a Tax ID

before starting.

 

 

 

The risk is putting your soc sec on there.  We used to do that. The tax id

should be fine.

 

 

 

Anne

 

 

 

 

 

Anne C. Crowley, L.Ac., Dipl.Ac.

www.LaPlataAcupuncture.com

 

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" "

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Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:23:35 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern

Re: insurance co's require tax id# for subforms?

 

 

 

 

 

 

sorry: i meant to say when the check gets cut to the patient and not the

practitioner.

 

k

 

On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 1:22 PM,

< acukath >wrote:

 

> what are the security/privacy risks of putting the tax id on the form? can

> they legally require it for reimbursement on a subform, when the check gets

> cut to the practitioner and not to the patient?

>

> k

>

>

> On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Anne Crowley < anne.crowley

>wrote:

>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> Kath: I would apply for a Tax ID from IRS. It also requires your Social

>> Security to apply. It is a fairly quick process.

>>

>> 1. A Tax ID # - this is so they can see you are a business, even if a sole

>> proprietor. You can go on line to IRS and find form

>>

>> SS-4 Application for Employer Identification Number. You may have to fax

>> it in and of course nothing is open now. They send it to you in a few

>> days. Don't remember if there is a charge but it so it is minimal.

>>

>> I just gave this info (along with other numbers to get) to my new

>> independent contractor.

>>

>> On Insurance Receipts I would have:

>>

>> Name (with the alphabet after it)

>>

>> Mailing Address

>>

>> Phone number Fax #

>>

>> License #

>>

>> Tax I.D. #

>>

>> NPI #

>>

>> I also have a non-par # with Blue Cross of Maryland (don't know if that

>> really helps the reimbursement process)

>>

>> My patients never have trouble with these identifying numbers. I would

>> just play ball and get the Tax ID and stick it on there. Less hassle.

>>

>> I learned about all this when I was in acupuncture school, busy as a

>> one-armed wall paper hanger. I started filing my practitioner's receipts

>> with MAMSI. They would kick it back - where is this, where is that. This

>> went on so long I almost gave up. Then when I started my business, I stuck

>> all of it on there to avoid any rejections for this reason.

>>

>> I am now having to call my personal health insurance co for other

>> practitioner's receipts I am seeing (also my daughter is seeing an

>> acupuncturist in another state.) They are nitpicking things and I have to

>> get on the phone for, oh I don't know, a half hour maybe an hour to resolve

>> what is not on the receipts. I would make it as easy as possible for them.

>> There is a lot of money on the table for them.

>>

>> Anne C. Crowley, L.Ac., Dipl.Ac.

>> www.LaPlataAcupuncture.com

>>

>> -

>> " " < acukath <acukath%40gmail.com>>

>> " PCOM Alumni " < alumni <alumni%40pacificcollege.edu>>

>>

>> Cc: " TCM List " < Chinese Traditional Medicine

<Chinese Traditional Medicine%40>>

>>

>> Wednesday, February 10, 2010 10:31:58 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada

>> Eastern

>> insurance co's require tax id# for subforms?

>>

>>

>>

>> i have a couple of patients recently telling me their insurance company is

>>

>> requiring my tax id # to pay them on a subform. the patients have paid me

>> at time of service, and are trying to get reimbursed by their insurance

>> companies. the insurance company is sending payment to the patient, not

>> me,

>> so i see no reason to give my ss#. i have provided an NPI#. the ss number

>> was provided in the application process for the NPI#. also, i had thought

>> it was now illegal for the insur co's to require my tax id#, now that the

>> NPI# are being used.

>>

>> i am reluctant to provide my ss# for privacy and security issues.

>>

>> does anyone have info on this issue?

>>

>> kath

>>

>>

>

 

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Abstain from all that is evil.

Perform all that is good.

Purify your thoughts.

This is the teaching of the Buddhas.

 

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http://acukath.blogspot.com/

 

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Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist

Available at Asheville Center for :

www.FlyingDragonLiniment.com

 

Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC

 

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1AZ2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8 & s=hpc & qid=1254968032 & sr=8-1

 

and from the following supply companies:

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http://www.goldenneedleonline.com/index.php?page=categories & category=14 & vendor= & \

product=5554 & pg=

 

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Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777

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a few have been interested in responses on this. so far the straw poll is

that everyone agrees to provide a tax id, not an ss#, which is apparently

easily applied for online.

 

i'm still not sure why/how they can legally require it on a subform, as they

are not providing income to the practitioner, they are cutting the check to

the patient.

 

this came from sam collins, the insur guy at acu today, on their forum:

 

 

*Ask the Billing Expert

Talk Back Forum

 

with Samuel A. Collins*

 

*Re: tax id# required for subforms?*

 

*Posted By: Samuel Collins

Tuesday, 9 February 2010, at 1:38 p.m. *

 

*In Response tax id# required for

subforms?<http://www.acupuncturetoday.com/cgi-bin/forum/new_webbbs/collins_samue\

l/collins_samuel.pl?read=34>(kath

bartlett)

*

NPI and Tax ID are separate and both are needed for billing purposes. Even

if only billing via a super bill. This is an IRS requirement so that

payments can be tracked for income purposes. Certainly I agree and would not

want to use my social security number as my tax ID, but you can and many do.

My preference is to use a Tax Identification number TIN or Employer

Identification number EIN which serve the same purpose.

For a doctor it is not illegal to ask for a SS# but a patient is not

necessarily obligated to give it for purposes of personal privacy. However,

for insurance billing some form or a tax identification is required and not

exempt. Therefore as a provider of health services it must be given when

requested by the proper source.

 

On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 10:31 AM,

wrote:

 

> i have a couple of patients recently telling me their insurance company is

> requiring my tax id # to pay them on a subform. the patients have paid me

> at time of service, and are trying to get reimbursed by their insurance

> companies. the insurance company is sending payment to the patient, not me,

> so i see no reason to give my ss#. i have provided an NPI#. the ss number

> was provided in the application process for the NPI#. also, i had thought

> it was now illegal for the insur co's to require my tax id#, now that the

> NPI# are being used.

>

> i am reluctant to provide my ss# for privacy and security issues.

>

>

> kath

>

 

 

 

>

>

> --

> Kath Bartlett, LAc, MS, BA UCLA

> Oriental Medicine

> Experienced, Dedicated, Effective

>

>

> Abstain from all that is evil.

> Perform all that is good.

> Purify your thoughts.

> This is the teaching of the Buddhas.

>

>

> Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality:

> http://acukath.blogspot.com/

>

> Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints

> Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist

> Available at Asheville Center for :

> www.FlyingDragonLiniment.com

>

> Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC

>

> Amazon.com

>

>

http://www.amazon.com/Flying-Dragon-Liniment-Eco-Friendly-Wild-Crafted/dp/B001OC\

1AZ2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8 & s=hpc & qid=1254968032 & sr=8-1

>

>

> and from the following supply companies:

> Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown

> https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1

>

> Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC

>

>

http://www.goldenneedleonline.com/index.php?page=categories & category=14 & vendor= & \

product=5554 & pg=

>

>

> Asheville Center For

> 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two

> Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777

> kbartlett

> www.AcupunctureAsheville.com

>

 

 

 

--

Kath Bartlett, LAc, MS, BA UCLA

Oriental Medicine

Experienced, Dedicated, Effective

 

 

Abstain from all that is evil.

Perform all that is good.

Purify your thoughts.

This is the teaching of the Buddhas.

 

 

Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality:

http://acukath.blogspot.com/

 

Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints

Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist

Available at Asheville Center for :

www.FlyingDragonLiniment.com

 

Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC

 

Amazon.com

http://www.amazon.com/Flying-Dragon-Liniment-Eco-Friendly-Wild-Crafted/dp/B001OC\

1AZ2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8 & s=hpc & qid=1254968032 & sr=8-1

 

 

and from the following supply companies:

Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown

https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1

 

Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC

http://www.goldenneedleonline.com/index.php?page=categories & category=14 & vendor= & \

product=5554 & pg=

 

 

Asheville Center For

70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two

Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777

kbartlett

www.AcupunctureAsheville.com

 

 

 

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Kath:  Is this the forum you use for ACC insurance questions?  Is it a free

forum?  I couldn't search past messages easily.

 

 

 

I would do as he says if only for the patient's convenience.

 

 

 

Anne

 

Anne C. Crowley, L.Ac., Dipl.Ac.

www.LaPlataAcupuncture.com

 

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Wednesday, February 10, 2010 5:03:58 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern

 Re: insurance co's require tax id# for subforms?

 

 

 

 

 

 

a few have been interested in responses on this. so far the straw poll is

that everyone agrees to provide a tax id, not an ss#, which is apparently

easily applied for online.

 

i'm still not sure why/how they can legally require it on a subform, as they

are not providing income to the practitioner, they are cutting the check to

the patient.

 

this came from sam collins, the insur guy at acu today, on their forum:

 

*Ask the Billing Expert

Talk Back Forum

 

with Samuel A. Collins*

 

*Re: tax id# required for subforms?*

 

*Posted By: Samuel Collins

Tuesday, 9 February 2010, at 1:38 p.m. *

 

*In Response tax id# required for

subforms?<

http://www.acupuncturetoday.com/cgi-bin/forum/new_webbbs/collins_samuel/collins_\

samuel.pl?read=34 >(kath

bartlett)

*

NPI and Tax ID are separate and both are needed for billing purposes. Even

if only billing via a super bill. This is an IRS requirement so that

payments can be tracked for income purposes. Certainly I agree and would not

want to use my social security number as my tax ID, but you can and many do.

My preference is to use a Tax Identification number TIN or Employer

Identification number EIN which serve the same purpose.

For a doctor it is not illegal to ask for a SS# but a patient is not

necessarily obligated to give it for purposes of personal privacy. However,

for insurance billing some form or a tax identification is required and not

exempt. Therefore as a provider of health services it must be given when

requested by the proper source.

 

On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 10:31 AM,

< acukath >wrote:

 

> i have a couple of patients recently telling me their insurance company is

> requiring my tax id # to pay them on a subform. the patients have paid me

> at time of service, and are trying to get reimbursed by their insurance

> companies. the insurance company is sending payment to the patient, not me,

> so i see no reason to give my ss#. i have provided an NPI#. the ss number

> was provided in the application process for the NPI#. also, i had thought

> it was now illegal for the insur co's to require my tax id#, now that the

> NPI# are being used.

>

> i am reluctant to provide my ss# for privacy and security issues.

>

>

> kath

>

 

>

>

> --

>

> Oriental Medicine

> Experienced, Dedicated, Effective

>

>

> Abstain from all that is evil.

> Perform all that is good.

> Purify your thoughts.

> This is the teaching of the Buddhas.

>

>

> Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality:

> http://acukath.blogspot.com/

>

> Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints

> Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist

> Available at Asheville Center for :

> www.FlyingDragonLiniment.com

>

> Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC

>

> Amazon.com

>

>

http://www.amazon.com/Flying-Dragon-Liniment-Eco-Friendly-Wild-Crafted/dp/B001OC\

1AZ2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8 & s=hpc & qid=1254968032 & sr=8-1

>

>

> and from the following supply companies:

> Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown

> https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1

>

> Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC

>

>

http://www.goldenneedleonline.com/index.php?page=categories & category=14 & vendor= & \

product=5554 & pg=

>

>

> Asheville Center For

> 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two

> Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777

> kbartlett

> www.AcupunctureAsheville.com

>

 

--

 

Oriental Medicine

Experienced, Dedicated, Effective

 

Abstain from all that is evil.

Perform all that is good.

Purify your thoughts.

This is the teaching of the Buddhas.

 

Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality:

http://acukath.blogspot.com/

 

Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints

Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist

Available at Asheville Center for :

www.FlyingDragonLiniment.com

 

Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC

 

Amazon.com

http://www.amazon.com/Flying-Dragon-Liniment-Eco-Friendly-Wild-Crafted/dp/B001OC\

1AZ2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8 & s=hpc & qid=1254968032 & sr=8-1

 

and from the following supply companies:

Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown

https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1

 

Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC

http://www.goldenneedleonline.com/index.php?page=categories & category=14 & vendor= & \

product=5554 & pg=

 

Asheville Center For

70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two

Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777

kbartlett

www.AcupunctureAsheville.com

 

 

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i found it on the acu today website. if you click on him as a columnist

there is a place to click for the forum.

 

k

 

On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 5:18 PM, Anne Crowley <anne.crowleywrote:

 

>

>

>

>

> Kath: Is this the forum you use for ACC insurance questions? Is it a free

> forum? I couldn't search past messages easily.

>

> I would do as he says if only for the patient's convenience.

>

> Anne

>

> Anne C. Crowley, L.Ac., Dipl.Ac.

> www.LaPlataAcupuncture.com

>

> -

> " " <acukath <acukath%40gmail.com>>

> " PCOM Alumni " <alumni <alumni%40pacificcollege.edu>>

>

> Cc: " TCM List "

<Chinese Traditional Medicine <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40yah\

oogroups.com>>

>

> Wednesday, February 10, 2010 5:03:58 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern

> Re: insurance co's require tax id# for subforms?

>

>

>

> a few have been interested in responses on this. so far the straw poll is

> that everyone agrees to provide a tax id, not an ss#, which is apparently

> easily applied for online.

>

> i'm still not sure why/how they can legally require it on a subform, as

> they

> are not providing income to the practitioner, they are cutting the check to

>

> the patient.

>

> this came from sam collins, the insur guy at acu today, on their forum:

>

> *Ask the Billing Expert

> Talk Back Forum

>

> with Samuel A. Collins*

>

> *Re: tax id# required for subforms?*

>

> *Posted By: Samuel Collins

> Tuesday, 9 February 2010, at 1:38 p.m. *

>

> *In Response tax id# required for

> subforms?<

>

http://www.acupuncturetoday.com/cgi-bin/forum/new_webbbs/collins_samuel/collins_\

samuel.pl?read=34>(kath

> bartlett)

> *

> NPI and Tax ID are separate and both are needed for billing purposes. Even

> if only billing via a super bill. This is an IRS requirement so that

> payments can be tracked for income purposes. Certainly I agree and would

> not

> want to use my social security number as my tax ID, but you can and many

> do.

> My preference is to use a Tax Identification number TIN or Employer

> Identification number EIN which serve the same purpose.

> For a doctor it is not illegal to ask for a SS# but a patient is not

> necessarily obligated to give it for purposes of personal privacy. However,

>

> for insurance billing some form or a tax identification is required and not

>

> exempt. Therefore as a provider of health services it must be given when

> requested by the proper source.

>

> On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 10:31 AM,

> < acukath <acukath%40gmail.com> >wrote:

>

> > i have a couple of patients recently telling me their insurance company

> is

> > requiring my tax id # to pay them on a subform. the patients have paid me

>

> > at time of service, and are trying to get reimbursed by their insurance

> > companies. the insurance company is sending payment to the patient, not

> me,

> > so i see no reason to give my ss#. i have provided an NPI#. the ss number

>

> > was provided in the application process for the NPI#. also, i had thought

>

> > it was now illegal for the insur co's to require my tax id#, now that the

>

> > NPI# are being used.

> >

> > i am reluctant to provide my ss# for privacy and security issues.

> >

> >

> > kath

>

>

>

 

 

 

--

Kath Bartlett, LAc, MS, BA UCLA

Oriental Medicine

Experienced, Dedicated, Effective

 

 

Abstain from all that is evil.

Perform all that is good.

Purify your thoughts.

This is the teaching of the Buddhas.

 

 

Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality:

http://acukath.blogspot.com/

 

Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints

Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist

Available at Asheville Center for :

www.FlyingDragonLiniment.com

 

Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC

 

Amazon.com

http://www.amazon.com/Flying-Dragon-Liniment-Eco-Friendly-Wild-Crafted/dp/B001OC\

1AZ2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8 & s=hpc & qid=1254968032 & sr=8-1

 

 

and from the following supply companies:

Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown

https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1

 

Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC

http://www.goldenneedleonline.com/index.php?page=categories & category=14 & vendor= & \

product=5554 & pg=

 

 

Asheville Center For

70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two

Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777

kbartlett

www.AcupunctureAsheville.com

 

 

 

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Victory!

I contacted my patient's insur co (Assurant Health) and questioned the need

to require my tax ID# on the subform. I informed the rep that neither state

law in NC nor the IRS requires it, since they are not cutting a check to me,

but rather are reimbursing my patient. I explained that i had privacy and

security concerns about providing the TIN. She said they needed to verify

that i was a legit HC provider. I replied that i had provided my NPI# which

shows my licensure. She spoke with her higher up and they concluded that

they would use a generic tax ID# to process the claim, and would send it

down for payment processing.

 

YES!!

 

I think being armed with the correct info regarding the laws on the issue

made the difference. When i have run up against this before, some years

ago, the rep at blue cross refused to process the claim using a generic

number. i believe they are using the TIN to track the HC provider in their

system.

 

hope that sharing my experience will be helpful to others confronting this

situation.

 

 

On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Sean Doherty <sean wrote:

 

>

>

> You can apply for an EIN

> online....https://sa2.www4.irs.gov/modiein/individual/index.jsp

>

> I don't think you are going to have much choice in the matter, or that it

> is worth working against. Like the others have said, though, I would use an

> EIN over your SSN.

>

> Sean

>

>

> On Feb 10, 2010, at 1:23 PM, wrote:

>

> > sorry: i meant to say when the check gets cut to the patient and not the

> > practitioner.

> >

> > k

> >

> > On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 1:22 PM,

> > <acukath <acukath%40gmail.com>>wrote:

> >

> > > what are the security/privacy risks of putting the tax id on the form?

> can

> > > they legally require it for reimbursement on a subform, when the check

> gets

> > > cut to the practitioner and not to the patient?

> > >

> > > k

> > >

> > >

> > > On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Anne Crowley <

> anne.crowley <anne.crowley%40comcast.net>>wrote:

> > >

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> Kath: I would apply for a Tax ID from IRS. It also requires your

> Social

> > >> Security to apply. It is a fairly quick process.

> > >>

> > >> 1. A Tax ID # - this is so they can see you are a business, even if a

> sole

> > >> proprietor. You can go on line to IRS and find form

> > >>

> > >> SS-4 Application for Employer Identification Number. You may have to

> fax

> > >> it in and of course nothing is open now. They send it to you in a few

> > >> days. Don't remember if there is a charge but it so it is minimal.

> > >>

> > >> I just gave this info (along with other numbers to get) to my new

> > >> independent contractor.

> > >>

> > >> On Insurance Receipts I would have:

> > >>

> > >> Name (with the alphabet after it)

> > >>

> > >> Mailing Address

> > >>

> > >> Phone number Fax #

> > >>

> > >> License #

> > >>

> > >> Tax I.D. #

> > >>

> > >> NPI #

> > >>

> > >> I also have a non-par # with Blue Cross of Maryland (don't know if

> that

> > >> really helps the reimbursement process)

> > >>

> > >> My patients never have trouble with these identifying numbers. I would

> > >> just play ball and get the Tax ID and stick it on there. Less hassle.

> > >>

> > >> I learned about all this when I was in acupuncture school, busy as a

> > >> one-armed wall paper hanger. I started filing my practitioner's

> receipts

> > >> with MAMSI. They would kick it back - where is this, where is that.

> This

> > >> went on so long I almost gave up. Then when I started my business, I

> stuck

> > >> all of it on there to avoid any rejections for this reason.

> > >>

> > >> I am now having to call my personal health insurance co for other

> > >> practitioner's receipts I am seeing (also my daughter is seeing an

> > >> acupuncturist in another state.) They are nitpicking things and I have

> to

> > >> get on the phone for, oh I don't know, a half hour maybe an hour to

> resolve

> > >> what is not on the receipts. I would make it as easy as possible for

> them.

> > >> There is a lot of money on the table for them.

> > >>

> > >> Anne C. Crowley, L.Ac., Dipl.Ac.

> > >> www.LaPlataAcupuncture.com

> > >>

> > >> -

> > >> " "

<acukath<acukath%40gmail.com><acukath%

> 40gmail.com>>

> > >> " PCOM Alumni " <alumni<alumni%40pacificcollege.edu>

> <alumni%40pacificcollege.edu>>

> > >>

> > >> Cc: " TCM List "

<Chinese Traditional Medicine <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40yah\

oogroups.com>

> <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40>>

> > >>

> > >> Wednesday, February 10, 2010 10:31:58 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada

> > >> Eastern

> > >> insurance co's require tax id# for subforms?

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> i have a couple of patients recently telling me their insurance

> company is

> > >>

> > >> requiring my tax id # to pay them on a subform. the patients have paid

> me

> > >> at time of service, and are trying to get reimbursed by their

> insurance

> > >> companies. the insurance company is sending payment to the patient,

> not

> > >> me,

> > >> so i see no reason to give my ss#. i have provided an NPI#. the ss

> number

> > >> was provided in the application process for the NPI#. also, i had

> thought

> > >> it was now illegal for the insur co's to require my tax id#, now that

> the

> > >> NPI# are being used.

> > >>

> > >> i am reluctant to provide my ss# for privacy and security issues.

> > >>

> > >> does anyone have info on this issue?

> > >>

> > >> kath

> > >>

> > >>

> > >

> >

> > --

> >

> > Oriental Medicine

> > Experienced, Dedicated, Effective

> >

> > Abstain from all that is evil.

> > Perform all that is good.

> > Purify your thoughts.

> > This is the teaching of the Buddhas.

> >

> > Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality:

> > http://acukath.blogspot.com/

> >

> > Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints

> > Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist

> > Available at Asheville Center for :

> > www.FlyingDragonLiniment.com

> >

> > Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC

> >

> > Amazon.com

> >

>

http://www.amazon.com/Flying-Dragon-Liniment-Eco-Friendly-Wild-Crafted/dp/B001OC\

1AZ2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8 & s=hpc & qid=1254968032 & sr=8-1

> >

> > and from the following supply companies:

> > Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown

> > https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1

> >

> > Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC

> >

>

http://www.goldenneedleonline.com/index.php?page=categories & category=14 & vendor= & \

product=5554 & pg=

> >

> > Asheville Center For

> > 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two

> > Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777

> > kbartlett<kbartlett%40AcupunctureAsheville.com>

> > www.AcupunctureAsheville.com

> >

> >

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Glad to hear you got what you wanted, Kath. I wonder though if they will keep

the association in their system, meaning are you going to have to request it be

processed with a generic tax id with each submission. Sounds like you spent a

lot of time on this, and it would be a drag to have to go through each and every

time, no?

 

Sean

On Feb 18, 2010, at 11:44 AM, wrote:

 

> Victory!

> I contacted my patient's insur co (Assurant Health) and questioned the need

> to require my tax ID# on the subform. I informed the rep that neither state

> law in NC nor the IRS requires it, since they are not cutting a check to me,

> but rather are reimbursing my patient. I explained that i had privacy and

> security concerns about providing the TIN. She said they needed to verify

> that i was a legit HC provider. I replied that i had provided my NPI# which

> shows my licensure. She spoke with her higher up and they concluded that

> they would use a generic tax ID# to process the claim, and would send it

> down for payment processing.

>

> YES!!

>

> I think being armed with the correct info regarding the laws on the issue

> made the difference. When i have run up against this before, some years

> ago, the rep at blue cross refused to process the claim using a generic

> number. i believe they are using the TIN to track the HC provider in their

> system.

>

> hope that sharing my experience will be helpful to others confronting this

> situation.

>

>

> On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Sean Doherty <sean wrote:

>

>>

>>

>> You can apply for an EIN

>> online....https://sa2.www4.irs.gov/modiein/individual/index.jsp

>>

>> I don't think you are going to have much choice in the matter, or that it

>> is worth working against. Like the others have said, though, I would use an

>> EIN over your SSN.

>>

>> Sean

>>

>>

>> On Feb 10, 2010, at 1:23 PM, wrote:

>>

>>> sorry: i meant to say when the check gets cut to the patient and not the

>>> practitioner.

>>>

>>> k

>>>

>>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 1:22 PM,

>>> <acukath <acukath%40gmail.com>>wrote:

>>>

>>>> what are the security/privacy risks of putting the tax id on the form?

>> can

>>>> they legally require it for reimbursement on a subform, when the check

>> gets

>>>> cut to the practitioner and not to the patient?

>>>>

>>>> k

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Anne Crowley <

>> anne.crowley <anne.crowley%40comcast.net>>wrote:

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Kath: I would apply for a Tax ID from IRS. It also requires your

>> Social

>>>>> Security to apply. It is a fairly quick process.

>>>>>

>>>>> 1. A Tax ID # - this is so they can see you are a business, even if a

>> sole

>>>>> proprietor. You can go on line to IRS and find form

>>>>>

>>>>> SS-4 Application for Employer Identification Number. You may have to

>> fax

>>>>> it in and of course nothing is open now. They send it to you in a few

>>>>> days. Don't remember if there is a charge but it so it is minimal.

>>>>>

>>>>> I just gave this info (along with other numbers to get) to my new

>>>>> independent contractor.

>>>>>

>>>>> On Insurance Receipts I would have:

>>>>>

>>>>> Name (with the alphabet after it)

>>>>>

>>>>> Mailing Address

>>>>>

>>>>> Phone number Fax #

>>>>>

>>>>> License #

>>>>>

>>>>> Tax I.D. #

>>>>>

>>>>> NPI #

>>>>>

>>>>> I also have a non-par # with Blue Cross of Maryland (don't know if

>> that

>>>>> really helps the reimbursement process)

>>>>>

>>>>> My patients never have trouble with these identifying numbers. I would

>>>>> just play ball and get the Tax ID and stick it on there. Less hassle.

>>>>>

>>>>> I learned about all this when I was in acupuncture school, busy as a

>>>>> one-armed wall paper hanger. I started filing my practitioner's

>> receipts

>>>>> with MAMSI. They would kick it back - where is this, where is that.

>> This

>>>>> went on so long I almost gave up. Then when I started my business, I

>> stuck

>>>>> all of it on there to avoid any rejections for this reason.

>>>>>

>>>>> I am now having to call my personal health insurance co for other

>>>>> practitioner's receipts I am seeing (also my daughter is seeing an

>>>>> acupuncturist in another state.) They are nitpicking things and I have

>> to

>>>>> get on the phone for, oh I don't know, a half hour maybe an hour to

>> resolve

>>>>> what is not on the receipts. I would make it as easy as possible for

>> them.

>>>>> There is a lot of money on the table for them.

>>>>>

>>>>> Anne C. Crowley, L.Ac., Dipl.Ac.

>>>>> www.LaPlataAcupuncture.com

>>>>>

>>>>> -

>>>>> " "

<acukath<acukath%40gmail.com><acukath%

>> 40gmail.com>>

>>>>> " PCOM Alumni " <alumni<alumni%40pacificcollege.edu>

>> <alumni%40pacificcollege.edu>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Cc: " TCM List "

<Chinese Traditional Medicine <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40yah\

oogroups.com>

>> <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Wednesday, February 10, 2010 10:31:58 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada

>>>>> Eastern

>>>>> insurance co's require tax id# for subforms?

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> i have a couple of patients recently telling me their insurance

>> company is

>>>>>

>>>>> requiring my tax id # to pay them on a subform. the patients have paid

>> me

>>>>> at time of service, and are trying to get reimbursed by their

>> insurance

>>>>> companies. the insurance company is sending payment to the patient,

>> not

>>>>> me,

>>>>> so i see no reason to give my ss#. i have provided an NPI#. the ss

>> number

>>>>> was provided in the application process for the NPI#. also, i had

>> thought

>>>>> it was now illegal for the insur co's to require my tax id#, now that

>> the

>>>>> NPI# are being used.

>>>>>

>>>>> i am reluctant to provide my ss# for privacy and security issues.

>>>>>

>>>>> does anyone have info on this issue?

>>>>>

>>>>> kath

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>

>>> --

>>>

>>> Oriental Medicine

>>> Experienced, Dedicated, Effective

>>>

>>> Abstain from all that is evil.

>>> Perform all that is good.

>>> Purify your thoughts.

>>> This is the teaching of the Buddhas.

>>>

>>> Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality:

>>> http://acukath.blogspot.com/

>>>

>>> Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints

>>> Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist

>>> Available at Asheville Center for :

>>> www.FlyingDragonLiniment.com

>>>

>>> Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC

>>>

>>> Amazon.com

>>>

>>

http://www.amazon.com/Flying-Dragon-Liniment-Eco-Friendly-Wild-Crafted/dp/B001OC\

1AZ2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8 & s=hpc & qid=1254968032 & sr=8-1

>>>

>>> and from the following supply companies:

>>> Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown

>>> https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1

>>>

>>> Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC

>>>

>>

http://www.goldenneedleonline.com/index.php?page=categories & category=14 & vendor= & \

product=5554 & pg=

>>>

>>> Asheville Center For

>>> 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two

>>> Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777

>>> kbartlett<kbartlett%40AcupunctureAsheville.com>

>>> www.AcupunctureAsheville.com

>>>

>>>

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Wow! A lot of work! Just an FYI -

 

The $399 software I have - Client Tracker, simply puts my NPI and TIN on the

superbills.

 

On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 8:44 AM,

wrote:

 

> Victory!

> I contacted my patient's insur co (Assurant Health) and questioned the need

> to require my tax ID# on the subform. I informed the rep that neither

> state

> law in NC nor the IRS requires it, since they are not cutting a check to

> me,

> but rather are reimbursing my patient. I explained that i had privacy and

> security concerns about providing the TIN. She said they needed to verify

> that i was a legit HC provider. I replied that i had provided my NPI#

> which

> shows my licensure. She spoke with her higher up and they concluded that

> they would use a generic tax ID# to process the claim, and would send it

> down for payment processing.

>

> YES!!

>

> I think being armed with the correct info regarding the laws on the issue

> made the difference. When i have run up against this before, some years

> ago, the rep at blue cross refused to process the claim using a generic

> number. i believe they are using the TIN to track the HC provider in their

> system.

>

> hope that sharing my experience will be helpful to others confronting this

> situation.

>

>

> On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Sean Doherty <sean

> wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > You can apply for an EIN

> > online....https://sa2.www4.irs.gov/modiein/individual/index.jsp

> >

> > I don't think you are going to have much choice in the matter, or that it

> > is worth working against. Like the others have said, though, I would use

> an

> > EIN over your SSN.

> >

> > Sean

> >

> >

> > On Feb 10, 2010, at 1:23 PM, wrote:

> >

> > > sorry: i meant to say when the check gets cut to the patient and not

> the

> > > practitioner.

> > >

> > > k

> > >

> > > On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 1:22 PM,

> > > <acukath <acukath%40gmail.com>>wrote:

> > >

> > > > what are the security/privacy risks of putting the tax id on the

> form?

> > can

> > > > they legally require it for reimbursement on a subform, when the

> check

> > gets

> > > > cut to the practitioner and not to the patient?

> > > >

> > > > k

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Anne Crowley <

> > anne.crowley <anne.crowley%40comcast.net>>wrote:

> > > >

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >> Kath: I would apply for a Tax ID from IRS. It also requires your

> > Social

> > > >> Security to apply. It is a fairly quick process.

> > > >>

> > > >> 1. A Tax ID # - this is so they can see you are a business, even if

> a

> > sole

> > > >> proprietor. You can go on line to IRS and find form

> > > >>

> > > >> SS-4 Application for Employer Identification Number. You may have to

> > fax

> > > >> it in and of course nothing is open now. They send it to you in a

> few

> > > >> days. Don't remember if there is a charge but it so it is minimal.

> > > >>

> > > >> I just gave this info (along with other numbers to get) to my new

> > > >> independent contractor.

> > > >>

> > > >> On Insurance Receipts I would have:

> > > >>

> > > >> Name (with the alphabet after it)

> > > >>

> > > >> Mailing Address

> > > >>

> > > >> Phone number Fax #

> > > >>

> > > >> License #

> > > >>

> > > >> Tax I.D. #

> > > >>

> > > >> NPI #

> > > >>

> > > >> I also have a non-par # with Blue Cross of Maryland (don't know if

> > that

> > > >> really helps the reimbursement process)

> > > >>

> > > >> My patients never have trouble with these identifying numbers. I

> would

> > > >> just play ball and get the Tax ID and stick it on there. Less

> hassle.

> > > >>

> > > >> I learned about all this when I was in acupuncture school, busy as a

> > > >> one-armed wall paper hanger. I started filing my practitioner's

> > receipts

> > > >> with MAMSI. They would kick it back - where is this, where is that.

> > This

> > > >> went on so long I almost gave up. Then when I started my business, I

> > stuck

> > > >> all of it on there to avoid any rejections for this reason.

> > > >>

> > > >> I am now having to call my personal health insurance co for other

> > > >> practitioner's receipts I am seeing (also my daughter is seeing an

> > > >> acupuncturist in another state.) They are nitpicking things and I

> have

> > to

> > > >> get on the phone for, oh I don't know, a half hour maybe an hour to

> > resolve

> > > >> what is not on the receipts. I would make it as easy as possible for

> > them.

> > > >> There is a lot of money on the table for them.

> > > >>

> > > >> Anne C. Crowley, L.Ac., Dipl.Ac.

> > > >> www.LaPlataAcupuncture.com <http://www.laplataacupuncture.com/>

> > > >>

> > > >> -

> > > >> " " <acukath<acukath%

> 40gmail.com><acukath%

> > 40gmail.com>>

> > > >> " PCOM Alumni " <alumni<alumni%

> 40pacificcollege.edu>

> > <alumni%40pacificcollege.edu>>

> > > >>

> > > >> Cc: " TCM List " <Chinese Traditional Medicine

> <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40>

> > <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40>>

> > > >>

> > > >> Wednesday, February 10, 2010 10:31:58 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada

> > > >> Eastern

> > > >> insurance co's require tax id# for subforms?

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >> i have a couple of patients recently telling me their insurance

> > company is

> > > >>

> > > >> requiring my tax id # to pay them on a subform. the patients have

> paid

> > me

> > > >> at time of service, and are trying to get reimbursed by their

> > insurance

> > > >> companies. the insurance company is sending payment to the patient,

> > not

> > > >> me,

> > > >> so i see no reason to give my ss#. i have provided an NPI#. the ss

> > number

> > > >> was provided in the application process for the NPI#. also, i had

> > thought

> > > >> it was now illegal for the insur co's to require my tax id#, now

> that

> > the

> > > >> NPI# are being used.

> > > >>

> > > >> i am reluctant to provide my ss# for privacy and security issues.

> > > >>

> > > >> does anyone have info on this issue?

> > > >>

> > > >> kath

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >

> > >

> > > --

> > >

> > > Oriental Medicine

> > > Experienced, Dedicated, Effective

> > >

> > > Abstain from all that is evil.

> > > Perform all that is good.

> > > Purify your thoughts.

> > > This is the teaching of the Buddhas.

> > >

> > > Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality:

> > > http://acukath.blogspot.com/

> > >

> > > Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints

> > > Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist

> > > Available at Asheville Center for :

> > > www.FlyingDragonLiniment.com <http://www.flyingdragonliniment.com/>

> > >

> > > Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC

> > >

> > > Amazon.com

> > >

> >

>

http://www.amazon.com/Flying-Dragon-Liniment-Eco-Friendly-Wild-Crafted/dp/B001OC\

1AZ2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8 & s=hpc & qid=1254968032 & sr=8-1

> > >

> > > and from the following supply companies:

> > > Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown

> > > https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1

> > >

> > > Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC

> > >

> >

>

http://www.goldenneedleonline.com/index.php?page=categories & category=14 & vendor= & \

product=5554 & pg=

> > >

> > > Asheville Center For

> > > 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two

> > > Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777

> > > kbartlett

> <kbartlett%40AcupunctureAsheville.com>

> > > www.AcupunctureAsheville.com <http://www.acupunctureasheville.com/>

> > >

> > >

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this is an issue that has been stuck in my craw as long as i've been in

practice. i knew that there was no legal reason for providing the TIN if

the insur co wasn't paying me income. i was glad to be am to but the matter

to bed. as i now no the laws and recourse (file a complaint with the NCDOI)

if they balk, i only need to make one call to the insur co in the future.

as the issue has no come up for several years, i am not anticipating having

to contact insur co's on a reg basis. the rep indicated that for this

patient they are using the generic id on their internal records. it remains

to be seen if they will continue to bump the claims, but if so, i only need

to make one quick phone call to remind them of their resolution.

 

i just don't like to be bullied and was glad i was able to stand up to the

insur co, and not be pushed around.

 

k

 

On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Sean Doherty <seanwrote:

 

>

>

> Glad to hear you got what you wanted, Kath. I wonder though if they will

> keep the association in their system, meaning are you going to have to

> request it be processed with a generic tax id with each submission. Sounds

> like you spent a lot of time on this, and it would be a drag to have to go

> through each and every time, no?

>

> Sean

>

> On Feb 18, 2010, at 11:44 AM, wrote:

>

> > Victory!

> > I contacted my patient's insur co (Assurant Health) and questioned the

> need

> > to require my tax ID# on the subform. I informed the rep that neither

> state

> > law in NC nor the IRS requires it, since they are not cutting a check to

> me,

> > but rather are reimbursing my patient. I explained that i had privacy and

> > security concerns about providing the TIN. She said they needed to verify

> > that i was a legit HC provider. I replied that i had provided my NPI#

> which

> > shows my licensure. She spoke with her higher up and they concluded that

> > they would use a generic tax ID# to process the claim, and would send it

> > down for payment processing.

> >

> > YES!!

> >

> > I think being armed with the correct info regarding the laws on the issue

> > made the difference. When i have run up against this before, some years

> > ago, the rep at blue cross refused to process the claim using a generic

> > number. i believe they are using the TIN to track the HC provider in

> their

> > system.

> >

> > hope that sharing my experience will be helpful to others confronting

> this

> > situation.

> >

> >

> > On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Sean Doherty

<sean<sean%40pointnatural.com>>

> wrote:

> >

> >>

> >>

> >> You can apply for an EIN

> >> online....https://sa2.www4.irs.gov/modiein/individual/index.jsp

> >>

> >> I don't think you are going to have much choice in the matter, or that

> it

> >> is worth working against. Like the others have said, though, I would use

> an

> >> EIN over your SSN.

> >>

> >> Sean

> >>

> >>

> >> On Feb 10, 2010, at 1:23 PM, wrote:

> >>

> >>> sorry: i meant to say when the check gets cut to the patient and not

> the

> >>> practitioner.

> >>>

> >>> k

> >>>

> >>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 1:22 PM,

> >>> <acukath <acukath%40gmail.com> <acukath%40gmail.com>>wrote:

>

> >>>

> >>>> what are the security/privacy risks of putting the tax id on the form?

> >> can

> >>>> they legally require it for reimbursement on a subform, when the check

> >> gets

> >>>> cut to the practitioner and not to the patient?

> >>>>

> >>>> k

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Anne Crowley <

> >> anne.crowley <anne.crowley%40comcast.net> <anne.crowley%

> 40comcast.net>>wrote:

>

> >>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Kath: I would apply for a Tax ID from IRS. It also requires your

> >> Social

> >>>>> Security to apply. It is a fairly quick process.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> 1. A Tax ID # - this is so they can see you are a business, even if a

> >> sole

> >>>>> proprietor. You can go on line to IRS and find form

> >>>>>

> >>>>> SS-4 Application for Employer Identification Number. You may have to

> >> fax

> >>>>> it in and of course nothing is open now. They send it to you in a few

> >>>>> days. Don't remember if there is a charge but it so it is minimal.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> I just gave this info (along with other numbers to get) to my new

> >>>>> independent contractor.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> On Insurance Receipts I would have:

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Name (with the alphabet after it)

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Mailing Address

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Phone number Fax #

> >>>>>

> >>>>> License #

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Tax I.D. #

> >>>>>

> >>>>> NPI #

> >>>>>

> >>>>> I also have a non-par # with Blue Cross of Maryland (don't know if

> >> that

> >>>>> really helps the reimbursement process)

> >>>>>

> >>>>> My patients never have trouble with these identifying numbers. I

> would

> >>>>> just play ball and get the Tax ID and stick it on there. Less hassle.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> I learned about all this when I was in acupuncture school, busy as a

> >>>>> one-armed wall paper hanger. I started filing my practitioner's

> >> receipts

> >>>>> with MAMSI. They would kick it back - where is this, where is that.

> >> This

> >>>>> went on so long I almost gave up. Then when I started my business, I

> >> stuck

> >>>>> all of it on there to avoid any rejections for this reason.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> I am now having to call my personal health insurance co for other

> >>>>> practitioner's receipts I am seeing (also my daughter is seeing an

> >>>>> acupuncturist in another state.) They are nitpicking things and I

> have

> >> to

> >>>>> get on the phone for, oh I don't know, a half hour maybe an hour to

> >> resolve

> >>>>> what is not on the receipts. I would make it as easy as possible for

> >> them.

> >>>>> There is a lot of money on the table for them.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Anne C. Crowley, L.Ac., Dipl.Ac.

> >>>>> www.LaPlataAcupuncture.com

> >>>>>

> >>>>> -

> >>>>> " " <acukath<acukath%40gmail.com>

> <acukath%40gmail.com><acukath%

> >> 40gmail.com>>

> >>>>> " PCOM Alumni "

<alumni<alumni%40pacificcollege.edu>

> <alumni%40pacificcollege.edu>

> >> <alumni%40pacificcollege.edu>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Cc: " TCM List "

<Chinese Traditional Medicine <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40yah\

oogroups.com>

> <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40>

> >> <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Wednesday, February 10, 2010 10:31:58 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada

> >>>>> Eastern

> >>>>> insurance co's require tax id# for subforms?

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>> i have a couple of patients recently telling me their insurance

> >> company is

> >>>>>

> >>>>> requiring my tax id # to pay them on a subform. the patients have

> paid

> >> me

> >>>>> at time of service, and are trying to get reimbursed by their

> >> insurance

> >>>>> companies. the insurance company is sending payment to the patient,

> >> not

> >>>>> me,

> >>>>> so i see no reason to give my ss#. i have provided an NPI#. the ss

> >> number

> >>>>> was provided in the application process for the NPI#. also, i had

> >> thought

> >>>>> it was now illegal for the insur co's to require my tax id#, now that

> >> the

> >>>>> NPI# are being used.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> i am reluctant to provide my ss# for privacy and security issues.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> does anyone have info on this issue?

> >>>>>

> >>>>> kath

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>

> >>>

> >>> --

> >>>

> >>> Oriental Medicine

> >>> Experienced, Dedicated, Effective

> >>>

> >>> Abstain from all that is evil.

> >>> Perform all that is good.

> >>> Purify your thoughts.

> >>> This is the teaching of the Buddhas.

> >>>

> >>> Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality:

> >>> http://acukath.blogspot.com/

> >>>

> >>> Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints

> >>> Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist

> >>> Available at Asheville Center for :

> >>> www.FlyingDragonLiniment.com

> >>>

> >>> Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC

> >>>

> >>> Amazon.com

> >>>

> >>

>

http://www.amazon.com/Flying-Dragon-Liniment-Eco-Friendly-Wild-Crafted/dp/B001OC\

1AZ2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8 & s=hpc & qid=1254968032 & sr=8-1

> >>>

> >>> and from the following supply companies:

> >>> Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown

> >>> https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1

> >>>

> >>> Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC

> >>>

> >>

>

http://www.goldenneedleonline.com/index.php?page=categories & category=14 & vendor= & \

product=5554 & pg=

> >>>

> >>> Asheville Center For

> >>> 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two

> >>> Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777

> >>> kbartlett<kbartlett%40AcupunctureAsheville.com>

> <kbartlett%40AcupunctureAsheville.com>

>

> >>> www.AcupunctureAsheville.com

> >>>

> >>>

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Since there is a matter here of taxable income, why would the insurance company

not require the patient's SS on the claim? Was there any mention of this from

the insurance rep? Just curious.

 

 

Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

 

 

 

 

 

 

Chinese Medicine

sean

Thu, 18 Feb 2010 12:58:51 -0500

Re: insurance co's require tax id# for subforms?

 

 

 

 

 

Glad to hear you got what you wanted, Kath. I wonder though if they will keep

the association in their system, meaning are you going to have to request it be

processed with a generic tax id with each submission. Sounds like you spent a

lot of time on this, and it would be a drag to have to go through each and every

time, no?

 

Sean

On Feb 18, 2010, at 11:44 AM, wrote:

 

> Victory!

> I contacted my patient's insur co (Assurant Health) and questioned the need

> to require my tax ID# on the subform. I informed the rep that neither state

> law in NC nor the IRS requires it, since they are not cutting a check to me,

> but rather are reimbursing my patient. I explained that i had privacy and

> security concerns about providing the TIN. She said they needed to verify

> that i was a legit HC provider. I replied that i had provided my NPI# which

> shows my licensure. She spoke with her higher up and they concluded that

> they would use a generic tax ID# to process the claim, and would send it

> down for payment processing.

>

> YES!!

>

> I think being armed with the correct info regarding the laws on the issue

> made the difference. When i have run up against this before, some years

> ago, the rep at blue cross refused to process the claim using a generic

> number. i believe they are using the TIN to track the HC provider in their

> system.

>

> hope that sharing my experience will be helpful to others confronting this

> situation.

>

>

> On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Sean Doherty <sean wrote:

>

>>

>>

>> You can apply for an EIN

>> online....https://sa2.www4.irs.gov/modiein/individual/index.jsp

>>

>> I don't think you are going to have much choice in the matter, or that it

>> is worth working against. Like the others have said, though, I would use an

>> EIN over your SSN.

>>

>> Sean

>>

>>

>> On Feb 10, 2010, at 1:23 PM, wrote:

>>

>>> sorry: i meant to say when the check gets cut to the patient and not the

>>> practitioner.

>>>

>>> k

>>>

>>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 1:22 PM,

>>> <acukath <acukath%40gmail.com>>wrote:

>>>

>>>> what are the security/privacy risks of putting the tax id on the form?

>> can

>>>> they legally require it for reimbursement on a subform, when the check

>> gets

>>>> cut to the practitioner and not to the patient?

>>>>

>>>> k

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Anne Crowley <

>> anne.crowley <anne.crowley%40comcast.net>>wrote:

>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Kath: I would apply for a Tax ID from IRS. It also requires your

>> Social

>>>>> Security to apply. It is a fairly quick process.

>>>>>

>>>>> 1. A Tax ID # - this is so they can see you are a business, even if a

>> sole

>>>>> proprietor. You can go on line to IRS and find form

>>>>>

>>>>> SS-4 Application for Employer Identification Number. You may have to

>> fax

>>>>> it in and of course nothing is open now. They send it to you in a few

>>>>> days. Don't remember if there is a charge but it so it is minimal.

>>>>>

>>>>> I just gave this info (along with other numbers to get) to my new

>>>>> independent contractor.

>>>>>

>>>>> On Insurance Receipts I would have:

>>>>>

>>>>> Name (with the alphabet after it)

>>>>>

>>>>> Mailing Address

>>>>>

>>>>> Phone number Fax #

>>>>>

>>>>> License #

>>>>>

>>>>> Tax I.D. #

>>>>>

>>>>> NPI #

>>>>>

>>>>> I also have a non-par # with Blue Cross of Maryland (don't know if

>> that

>>>>> really helps the reimbursement process)

>>>>>

>>>>> My patients never have trouble with these identifying numbers. I would

>>>>> just play ball and get the Tax ID and stick it on there. Less hassle.

>>>>>

>>>>> I learned about all this when I was in acupuncture school, busy as a

>>>>> one-armed wall paper hanger. I started filing my practitioner's

>> receipts

>>>>> with MAMSI. They would kick it back - where is this, where is that.

>> This

>>>>> went on so long I almost gave up. Then when I started my business, I

>> stuck

>>>>> all of it on there to avoid any rejections for this reason.

>>>>>

>>>>> I am now having to call my personal health insurance co for other

>>>>> practitioner's receipts I am seeing (also my daughter is seeing an

>>>>> acupuncturist in another state.) They are nitpicking things and I have

>> to

>>>>> get on the phone for, oh I don't know, a half hour maybe an hour to

>> resolve

>>>>> what is not on the receipts. I would make it as easy as possible for

>> them.

>>>>> There is a lot of money on the table for them.

>>>>>

>>>>> Anne C. Crowley, L.Ac., Dipl.Ac.

>>>>> www.LaPlataAcupuncture.com

>>>>>

>>>>> -

>>>>> " "

<acukath<acukath%40gmail.com><acukath%

>> 40gmail.com>>

>>>>> " PCOM Alumni " <alumni<alumni%40pacificcollege.edu>

>> <alumni%40pacificcollege.edu>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Cc: " TCM List "

<Chinese Traditional Medicine <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40yah\

oogroups.com>

>> <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40>>

>>>>>

>>>>> Wednesday, February 10, 2010 10:31:58 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada

>>>>> Eastern

>>>>> insurance co's require tax id# for subforms?

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> i have a couple of patients recently telling me their insurance

>> company is

>>>>>

>>>>> requiring my tax id # to pay them on a subform. the patients have paid

>> me

>>>>> at time of service, and are trying to get reimbursed by their

>> insurance

>>>>> companies. the insurance company is sending payment to the patient,

>> not

>>>>> me,

>>>>> so i see no reason to give my ss#. i have provided an NPI#. the ss

>> number

>>>>> was provided in the application process for the NPI#. also, i had

>> thought

>>>>> it was now illegal for the insur co's to require my tax id#, now that

>> the

>>>>> NPI# are being used.

>>>>>

>>>>> i am reluctant to provide my ss# for privacy and security issues.

>>>>>

>>>>> does anyone have info on this issue?

>>>>>

>>>>> kath

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>

>>> --

>>>

>>> Oriental Medicine

>>> Experienced, Dedicated, Effective

>>>

>>> Abstain from all that is evil.

>>> Perform all that is good.

>>> Purify your thoughts.

>>> This is the teaching of the Buddhas.

>>>

>>> Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality:

>>> http://acukath.blogspot.com/

>>>

>>> Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints

>>> Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist

>>> Available at Asheville Center for :

>>> www.FlyingDragonLiniment.com

>>>

>>> Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC

>>>

>>> Amazon.com

>>>

>>

http://www.amazon.com/Flying-Dragon-Liniment-Eco-Friendly-Wild-Crafted/dp/B001OC\

1AZ2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8 & s=hpc & qid=1254968032 & sr=8-1

>>>

>>> and from the following supply companies:

>>> Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown

>>> https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1

>>>

>>> Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC

>>>

>>

http://www.goldenneedleonline.com/index.php?page=categories & category=14 & vendor= & \

product=5554 & pg=

>>>

>>> Asheville Center For

>>> 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two

>>> Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777

>>> kbartlett<kbartlett%40AcupunctureAsheville.com>

>>> www.AcupunctureAsheville.com

>>>

>>>

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i just got another call from a different insurer saying they could not

process the patients claim with the subform because it did not have the TIN

that they use for process. i quickly rtn the call, explained that i had

checked with the IRS and the NCDOI (NC dept of insur) and that there is no

legal reason in my state for them to have the TIN to process the claim on

the subform. i went on to explain that for privacy and security reasons i

am unwilling to provide the TIN when no income is being distributed to me,

as it is a security risk to me. I further informed the rep that another

insurer had called about this issue and they had agreed to use a generic TIN

to process the claim. I concluded that this co could also use a generic #

if they need a TIN to process the claim. I was firm and polite. She

immediately agreed to use the generic # and replied that " I'll go ahead and

tell them to process the claim using a generic # " .

 

this was a 2min phone call, including the time spent navigating the

automated answering system and operators.

 

kath

 

 

 

On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 1:41 PM,

wrote:

 

> this is an issue that has been stuck in my craw as long as i've been in

> practice. i knew that there was no legal reason for providing the TIN if

> the insur co wasn't paying me income. i was glad to be am to but the matter

> to bed. as i now no the laws and recourse (file a complaint with the NCDOI)

> if they balk, i only need to make one call to the insur co in the future.

> as the issue has no come up for several years, i am not anticipating having

> to contact insur co's on a reg basis. the rep indicated that for this

> patient they are using the generic id on their internal records. it remains

> to be seen if they will continue to bump the claims, but if so, i only need

> to make one quick phone call to remind them of their resolution.

>

> i just don't like to be bullied and was glad i was able to stand up to the

> insur co, and not be pushed around.

>

> k

>

>

> On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Sean Doherty <seanwrote:

>

>>

>>

>> Glad to hear you got what you wanted, Kath. I wonder though if they will

>> keep the association in their system, meaning are you going to have to

>> request it be processed with a generic tax id with each submission. Sounds

>> like you spent a lot of time on this, and it would be a drag to have to go

>> through each and every time, no?

>>

>> Sean

>>

>> On Feb 18, 2010, at 11:44 AM, wrote:

>>

>> > Victory!

>> > I contacted my patient's insur co (Assurant Health) and questioned the

>> need

>> > to require my tax ID# on the subform. I informed the rep that neither

>> state

>> > law in NC nor the IRS requires it, since they are not cutting a check to

>> me,

>> > but rather are reimbursing my patient. I explained that i had privacy

>> and

>> > security concerns about providing the TIN. She said they needed to

>> verify

>> > that i was a legit HC provider. I replied that i had provided my NPI#

>> which

>> > shows my licensure. She spoke with her higher up and they concluded that

>> > they would use a generic tax ID# to process the claim, and would send it

>> > down for payment processing.

>> >

>> > YES!!

>> >

>> > I think being armed with the correct info regarding the laws on the

>> issue

>> > made the difference. When i have run up against this before, some years

>> > ago, the rep at blue cross refused to process the claim using a generic

>> > number. i believe they are using the TIN to track the HC provider in

>> their

>> > system.

>> >

>> > hope that sharing my experience will be helpful to others confronting

>> this

>> > situation.

>> >

>> >

>> > On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Sean Doherty

<sean<sean%40pointnatural.com>>

>> wrote:

>> >

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> You can apply for an EIN

>> >> online....https://sa2.www4.irs.gov/modiein/individual/index.jsp

>> >>

>> >> I don't think you are going to have much choice in the matter, or that

>> it

>> >> is worth working against. Like the others have said, though, I would

>> use an

>> >> EIN over your SSN.

>> >>

>> >> Sean

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> On Feb 10, 2010, at 1:23 PM, wrote:

>> >>

>> >>> sorry: i meant to say when the check gets cut to the patient and not

>> the

>> >>> practitioner.

>> >>>

>> >>> k

>> >>>

>> >>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 1:22 PM,

>> >>> <acukath <acukath%40gmail.com> <acukath%40gmail.com>>wrote:

>>

>> >>>

>> >>>> what are the security/privacy risks of putting the tax id on the

>> form?

>> >> can

>> >>>> they legally require it for reimbursement on a subform, when the

>> check

>> >> gets

>> >>>> cut to the practitioner and not to the patient?

>> >>>>

>> >>>> k

>> >>>>

>> >>>>

>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Anne Crowley <

>> >> anne.crowley <anne.crowley%40comcast.net> <anne.crowley%

>> 40comcast.net>>wrote:

>>

>> >>>>

>> >>>>>

>> >>>>>

>> >>>>>

>> >>>>>

>> >>>>> Kath: I would apply for a Tax ID from IRS. It also requires your

>> >> Social

>> >>>>> Security to apply. It is a fairly quick process.

>> >>>>>

>> >>>>> 1. A Tax ID # - this is so they can see you are a business, even if

>> a

>> >> sole

>> >>>>> proprietor. You can go on line to IRS and find form

>> >>>>>

>> >>>>> SS-4 Application for Employer Identification Number. You may have to

>> >> fax

>> >>>>> it in and of course nothing is open now. They send it to you in a

>> few

>> >>>>> days. Don't remember if there is a charge but it so it is minimal.

>> >>>>>

>> >>>>> I just gave this info (along with other numbers to get) to my new

>> >>>>> independent contractor.

>> >>>>>

>> >>>>> On Insurance Receipts I would have:

>> >>>>>

>> >>>>> Name (with the alphabet after it)

>> >>>>>

>> >>>>> Mailing Address

>> >>>>>

>> >>>>> Phone number Fax #

>> >>>>>

>> >>>>> License #

>> >>>>>

>> >>>>> Tax I.D. #

>> >>>>>

>> >>>>> NPI #

>> >>>>>

>> >>>>> I also have a non-par # with Blue Cross of Maryland (don't know if

>> >> that

>> >>>>> really helps the reimbursement process)

>> >>>>>

>> >>>>> My patients never have trouble with these identifying numbers. I

>> would

>> >>>>> just play ball and get the Tax ID and stick it on there. Less

>> hassle.

>> >>>>>

>> >>>>> I learned about all this when I was in acupuncture school, busy as a

>> >>>>> one-armed wall paper hanger. I started filing my practitioner's

>> >> receipts

>> >>>>> with MAMSI. They would kick it back - where is this, where is that.

>> >> This

>> >>>>> went on so long I almost gave up. Then when I started my business, I

>> >> stuck

>> >>>>> all of it on there to avoid any rejections for this reason.

>> >>>>>

>> >>>>> I am now having to call my personal health insurance co for other

>> >>>>> practitioner's receipts I am seeing (also my daughter is seeing an

>> >>>>> acupuncturist in another state.) They are nitpicking things and I

>> have

>> >> to

>> >>>>> get on the phone for, oh I don't know, a half hour maybe an hour to

>> >> resolve

>> >>>>> what is not on the receipts. I would make it as easy as possible for

>> >> them.

>> >>>>> There is a lot of money on the table for them.

>> >>>>>

>> >>>>> Anne C. Crowley, L.Ac., Dipl.Ac.

>> >>>>> www.LaPlataAcupuncture.com

>> >>>>>

>> >>>>> -

>> >>>>> " " <acukath<acukath%40gmail.com>

>> <acukath%40gmail.com><acukath%

>> >> 40gmail.com>>

>> >>>>> " PCOM Alumni "

<alumni<alumni%40pacificcollege.edu>

>> <alumni%40pacificcollege.edu>

>> >> <alumni%40pacificcollege.edu>>

>> >>>>>

>> >>>>> Cc: " TCM List "

<Chinese Traditional Medicine <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40yah\

oogroups.com>

>> <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40>

>> >> <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40>>

>> >>>>>

>> >>>>> Wednesday, February 10, 2010 10:31:58 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada

>> >>>>> Eastern

>> >>>>> insurance co's require tax id# for subforms?

>> >>>>>

>> >>>>>

>> >>>>>

>> >>>>> i have a couple of patients recently telling me their insurance

>> >> company is

>> >>>>>

>> >>>>> requiring my tax id # to pay them on a subform. the patients have

>> paid

>> >> me

>> >>>>> at time of service, and are trying to get reimbursed by their

>> >> insurance

>> >>>>> companies. the insurance company is sending payment to the patient,

>> >> not

>> >>>>> me,

>> >>>>> so i see no reason to give my ss#. i have provided an NPI#. the ss

>> >> number

>> >>>>> was provided in the application process for the NPI#. also, i had

>> >> thought

>> >>>>> it was now illegal for the insur co's to require my tax id#, now

>> that

>> >> the

>> >>>>> NPI# are being used.

>> >>>>>

>> >>>>> i am reluctant to provide my ss# for privacy and security issues.

>> >>>>>

>> >>>>> does anyone have info on this issue?

>> >>>>>

>> >>>>> kath

>> >>>>>

>> >>>>>

>> >>>>

>> >>>

>> >>> --

>> >>>

>> >>> Oriental Medicine

>> >>> Experienced, Dedicated, Effective

>> >>>

>> >>> Abstain from all that is evil.

>> >>> Perform all that is good.

>> >>> Purify your thoughts.

>> >>> This is the teaching of the Buddhas.

>> >>>

>> >>> Kath's Blog about , Healthy Living & Spirituality:

>> >>> http://acukath.blogspot.com/

>> >>>

>> >>> Flying Dragon Liniment: Effective pain relief for muscles & joints

>> >>> Formulated by Kath Bartlett, Traditional Chinese Herbalist

>> >>> Available at Asheville Center for :

>> >>> www.FlyingDragonLiniment.com

>> >>>

>> >>> Greenlife Grocery - Asheville, NC

>> >>>

>> >>> Amazon.com

>> >>>

>> >>

>>

http://www.amazon.com/Flying-Dragon-Liniment-Eco-Friendly-Wild-Crafted/dp/B001OC\

1AZ2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8 & s=hpc & qid=1254968032 & sr=8-1

>> >>>

>> >>> and from the following supply companies:

>> >>> Kamwo Herbal Pharmacy: NY - Chinatown

>> >>> https://www.kamwo.com/shop/product.php?productid=17442 & cat=0 & page=1

>> >>>

>> >>> Golden Needle Acupuncture, Herbal & Medical Supply - Candler, NC

>> >>>

>> >>

>>

http://www.goldenneedleonline.com/index.php?page=categories & category=14 & vendor= & \

product=5554 & pg=

>> >>>

>> >>> Asheville Center For

>> >>> 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two

>> >>> Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777

>> >>> kbartlett<kbartlett%40AcupunctureAsheville.com>

>> <kbartlett%40AcupunctureAsheville.com>

>>

>> >>> www.AcupunctureAsheville.com

>> >>>

>> >>>

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didn't want the patient's ss#, to my knowledge. i believe they are using

the practitioners TIN to track in their system. or the computer softwear

spits it out if the TIN isn't there and they can't over ride it. that's why

i suggested using the generic TIN.

 

k

 

On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 1:55 PM, mike Bowser <naturaldoc1wrote:

 

>

>

>

> Since there is a matter here of taxable income, why would the insurance

> company not require the patient's SS on the claim? Was there any mention of

> this from the insurance rep? Just curious.

>

> Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc

>

> To:

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> sean <sean%40pointnatural.com>

> Thu, 18 Feb 2010 12:58:51 -0500

> Re: insurance co's require tax id# for subforms?

>

>

> Glad to hear you got what you wanted, Kath. I wonder though if they will

> keep the association in their system, meaning are you going to have to

> request it be processed with a generic tax id with each submission. Sounds

> like you spent a lot of time on this, and it would be a drag to have to go

> through each and every time, no?

>

> Sean

> On Feb 18, 2010, at 11:44 AM, wrote:

>

> > Victory!

> > I contacted my patient's insur co (Assurant Health) and questioned the

> need

> > to require my tax ID# on the subform. I informed the rep that neither

> state

> > law in NC nor the IRS requires it, since they are not cutting a check to

> me,

> > but rather are reimbursing my patient. I explained that i had privacy and

> > security concerns about providing the TIN. She said they needed to verify

> > that i was a legit HC provider. I replied that i had provided my NPI#

> which

> > shows my licensure. She spoke with her higher up and they concluded that

> > they would use a generic tax ID# to process the claim, and would send it

> > down for payment processing.

> >

> > YES!!

> >

> > I think being armed with the correct info regarding the laws on the issue

> > made the difference. When i have run up against this before, some years

> > ago, the rep at blue cross refused to process the claim using a generic

> > number. i believe they are using the TIN to track the HC provider in

> their

> > system.

> >

> > hope that sharing my experience will be helpful to others confronting

> this

> > situation.

> >

> >

> > On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Sean Doherty

<sean<sean%40pointnatural.com>>

> wrote:

> >

> >>

> >>

> >> You can apply for an EIN

> >> online....https://sa2.www4.irs.gov/modiein/individual/index.jsp

> >>

> >> I don't think you are going to have much choice in the matter, or that

> it

> >> is worth working against. Like the others have said, though, I would use

> an

> >> EIN over your SSN.

> >>

> >> Sean

> >>

> >>

> >> On Feb 10, 2010, at 1:23 PM, wrote:

> >>

> >>> sorry: i meant to say when the check gets cut to the patient and not

> the

> >>> practitioner.

> >>>

> >>> k

> >>>

> >>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 1:22 PM,

> >>> <acukath <acukath%40gmail.com> <acukath%40gmail.com>>wrote:

> >>>

> >>>> what are the security/privacy risks of putting the tax id on the form?

> >> can

> >>>> they legally require it for reimbursement on a subform, when the check

> >> gets

> >>>> cut to the practitioner and not to the patient?

> >>>>

> >>>> k

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Anne Crowley <

> >> anne.crowley <anne.crowley%40comcast.net> <anne.crowley%

> 40comcast.net>>wrote:

> >>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Kath: I would apply for a Tax ID from IRS. It also requires your

> >> Social

> >>>>> Security to apply. It is a fairly quick process.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> 1. A Tax ID # - this is so they can see you are a business, even if a

> >> sole

> >>>>> proprietor. You can go on line to IRS and find form

> >>>>>

> >>>>> SS-4 Application for Employer Identification Number. You may have to

> >> fax

> >>>>> it in and of course nothing is open now. They send it to you in a few

> >>>>> days. Don't remember if there is a charge but it so it is minimal.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> I just gave this info (along with other numbers to get) to my new

> >>>>> independent contractor.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> On Insurance Receipts I would have:

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Name (with the alphabet after it)

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Mailing Address

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Phone number Fax #

> >>>>>

> >>>>> License #

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Tax I.D. #

> >>>>>

> >>>>> NPI #

> >>>>>

> >>>>> I also have a non-par # with Blue Cross of Maryland (don't know if

> >> that

> >>>>> really helps the reimbursement process)

> >>>>>

> >>>>> My patients never have trouble with these identifying numbers. I

> would

> >>>>> just play ball and get the Tax ID and stick it on there. Less hassle.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> I learned about all this when I was in acupuncture school, busy as a

> >>>>> one-armed wall paper hanger. I started filing my practitioner's

> >> receipts

> >>>>> with MAMSI. They would kick it back - where is this, where is that.

> >> This

> >>>>> went on so long I almost gave up. Then when I started my business, I

> >> stuck

> >>>>> all of it on there to avoid any rejections for this reason.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> I am now having to call my personal health insurance co for other

> >>>>> practitioner's receipts I am seeing (also my daughter is seeing an

> >>>>> acupuncturist in another state.) They are nitpicking things and I

> have

> >> to

> >>>>> get on the phone for, oh I don't know, a half hour maybe an hour to

> >> resolve

> >>>>> what is not on the receipts. I would make it as easy as possible for

> >> them.

> >>>>> There is a lot of money on the table for them.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Anne C. Crowley, L.Ac., Dipl.Ac.

> >>>>> www.LaPlataAcupuncture.com

> >>>>>

> >>>>> -

> >>>>> " " <acukath<acukath%40gmail.com>

> <acukath%40gmail.com><acukath%

> >> 40gmail.com>>

> >>>>> " PCOM Alumni "

<alumni<alumni%40pacificcollege.edu>

> <alumni%40pacificcollege.edu>

> >> <alumni%40pacificcollege.edu>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Cc: " TCM List "

<Chinese Traditional Medicine <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40yah\

oogroups.com>

> <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40>

> >> <Chinese Traditional Medicine%40>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Wednesday, February 10, 2010 10:31:58 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada

> >>>>> Eastern

> >>>>> insurance co's require tax id# for subforms?

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>> i have a couple of patients recently telling me their insurance

> >> company is

> >>>>>

> >>>>> requiring my tax id # to pay them on a subform. the patients have

> paid

> >> me

> >>>>> at time of service, and are trying to get reimbursed by their

> >> insurance

> >>>>> companies. the insurance company is sending payment to the patient,

> >> not

> >>>>> me,

> >>>>> so i see no reason to give my ss#. i have provided an NPI#. the ss

> >> number

> >>>>> was provided in the application process for the NPI#. also, i had

> >> thought

> >>>>> it was now illegal for the insur co's to require my tax id#, now that

> >> the

> >>>>> NPI# are being used.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> i am reluctant to provide my ss# for privacy and security issues.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> does anyone have info on this issue?

> >>>>>

> >>>>> kath

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>

> >>>

> >>> --

> >>>

> >>> Oriental Medicine

> >>> Experienced, Dedicated, Effective

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