Guest guest Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 Mike, I couldn't agree with you more. We must keep learning, but we must also keep teaching and empowering.   We live in and interface with an enormously complex world. The availability of virtually anything the heart desires, and the limited boundaries that adults and even children have, can wreak havoc on our natural built in protective survival instincts. We are not limited by the cycles of the sun and moon. We are not limited by our need for rest to renew ourselves--How many people do you know that when they are tired " relax " themselves by texting, playing video games or exploring on the internet. The truth is that these actions burn out yet more Yin in the already fried patient. The structure of families is deteriorating and less and less people function in group units. Everything is ME. We don't have time to eat slowly, thoughtfully, and consciously. We are constantly multitasking, and why? Not to give us the extra time to rest, but to enable us to do yet more, MORE MORE!  This is an out of control paradigm which IMVHO, is much more than Chinese medicine alone can handle.  How do we save the bodies, and YES, souls of our fellow riders on this " E " ticket (those of you who remember Disneyland, in days of old, will recall that they would sell ticket books for rides, and the E tickets were the fastest, most exciting, stimulating, and desirable rides.) we are all on? The answer is very simple, one patient/student at a time! I have been approached to begin a school of Traditional Jewish Medicine here in LA, for Orthodox Jewish post adolescents. I will require them to concurrently engage in a course of study of medicine or bodywork, leading to licensure or certification.  I am hoping to use it as a vehicle to do just what I mentioned above: To encourage young people to enter the healing arts, to think differently about their diet, their lifestyle and their behavior, they and their families,  while at the same time enpowering them with basic Chinese medical theory, teaching them tongue and pulse diagnosis, and simple practical clinical therapies.  All of us need to teach in order to change others. And by doing so, it is my firm conviction that we can effect a miraculous paradigm shift on world consciousness--one person at a time.   ________________________________ mike Bowser <naturaldoc1 Chinese Traditional Medicine Thu, February 11, 2010 8:21:37 AM RE: Re: sensitivity, herbal substitution and other alternatives  This discussion is why it is important to be educated in both systems of medicine and not to leave it up to the MD's to explain what we do. Otherwise we will have more patients fall between the cracks. There is a lot that we can learn from and this will help us to help our patients better. Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc > > zrosenbe (AT) san (DOT) rr.com > Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:55:48 -0800 > Re: Re: sensitivity, herbal substitution and other alternatives > > Ken, > I am glad to see you contributing to this list. I wanted to respond to this, because I think your points are important. > > As Hugo pointed out, the AA (aristolochic acid) fiasco was the result of weight loss doctors in Belgium combining rx. aristolochia ( a rarely used herb that disinhibits dampness, and is listed as toxic with warnings in the Chinese materia medica) with two weight loss drugs in a 'cocktail'. It was not from use in Chinese herb prescriptions. It is true that sometimes this herb was used mistakenly (or unethically) as a substitute for stephania/fang ji. I actually was asked to review a case of kidney damage reportedly caused by an herbal product by a medical board in a different state, and the herb company unknowingly used the substitute. This is an issue of lack of accountability by herb suppliers/producers . > > Xi xin/hb. asarum is another herb with small amounts of AA. However, if processed correctly, and without the roots (as is done traditionally) , xi xin will test negative for AA. > > I feel very strongly that if berberine containing plants are used correctly according to pattern, processed correctly, and given in proper dosage, that there will not be 'allergic' reactions. And if there are, it should be explained according to the symptom (skin itching, inflammation, diarrhea, etc.), rather than just generalizing about the herbs' effects and calling it 'allergy'. > > Finally, there are tons of reports in Chinese about herb toxicity, herb-drug reactions, processing, etc. It is a very rare event that people are poisoned or get sick from prescribed Chinese herbs, and when this happens, it is usually poor processing of herbs, wrong prescription, preparation or dosage. For example, one pharmacist prescribed (here in California!) toad venom instead of e jiao/asshide glue and the patient died! > > Right now, the paranoia surrounding herbs in the media has affected our profession in a very negative way. Many students and new practitioners are afraid to give herbs to patients , especially if they are taking medications. Many herbs, such as ma huang and xi xin, essentials in the approach I use, are hard to find if not impossible. > > Any medicine has risk factors, but Chinese herbal medicine has negligible risks when compared with pharmaceutical drugs. > > > > > On Feb 10, 2010, at 1:13 PM, kncherman (AT) pacbell (DOT) net wrote: > > > Hi Folks, > > > > I am not one to generally try to fit TCM into western paradigms. But while I think we defintiely need to explore deeply the idea of what an allergic reaction is in terms of TCM pathology, I think we need to pay attention and not dismiss current western medical pathology. For example, some herbs that contain aristicholic acid cause toxic reactions that should not be overlooked and tried to be explained in terms of did I get the diagnosis right or apply the right combination of herbs. Berberine is a chemical in the Huang herbs, that in certain instances might cause problems or certain reactions. My line is stay traditional, but stay informed. > > > > Ken Cherman, L.Ac. > > > > Traditional_ Chinese_Medicine , Hugo Ramiro <subincor@.. .> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Yehuda, Z'ev and all: > > > > > > I can see, Yehuda, that you have a great deal of experience dealing with Chana's " atypical " presentation. I always wonder to myself what the result would have been if someone like her had received CM from the beginning, without the injuries and deviations she received " therapeutically " early on in her life. CM has clear limitations, however, it is difficult to see exactly what those limitations are when there are such extenuating injuries and deviations present. > > > I also support the co-optation of biomedicine into CM. The reverse I am not so much for. The fact that biomedicine has pathologised allergic reactions does not make them, in fact, pathological reactions. For instance, Laura is experiencing some heat and itching. Why do we choose the explanation of " allergy " in her case, versus wind-heat in the muscle layer, or heat due to dampness stagnating? The " allergy " viewed from this point is a result of - a sign of - a pathology, and it is not the pathology itself. We could go even furtehr and describe a body-wide wind-heat rash expression with little to no itching and no fever as a perfectly non-pathological process - a rash that is in fact necessary in order to prevent pathology. > > > > > > Some ideas, > > > Hugo > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Hugo Ramiro > > > http://middlemedici ne.wordpress. com > > > http://www.middlemedicine.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > @.. .> > > > > > > Tue, 9 February, 2010 2:10:57 > > > sensitivity, herbal substitution and other alternatives > > > > > > > > > Z'ev, > > > > > > We see often in the Materia Medica substances that have similar indications, that enter the same channels or nearly all of them, that have the same flavor, and temperature, yet as it happens, rare individuals do elicit redness and itching in one, unlike the other. Granted, they may not be identical, but they are close enough, whereby one could assume that since this exceptional patient reacts to one, he will react to the other. But that is not necessary the case. Take the example that I gave, of Huang Bai, depending on the indications if the patient would elicit these inflammatory reactions perhaps I would consider substituting herbs such as Che Qian Zi or Di Gu Pi, and in all likelihood they would not have a similar reaction. Otherwise, why would one patient with virtually identical symptoms not react to the same formula or herb. This can be simply part of our individual biochemical fingerprint, just as it is with certain foods. As far as > > > kinesiology is concerned, I have found that the degree of accuracy has become much greater, when neither I nor the patient know what is being tested, and so I stand by the validity of such testing as a confirming tool. It is also informative to check the pulse pre and post formula via the Coca pulse test. You are right that this is not within the practice of classic orthodox Chinese Medicine, but again, as we spoke about in our discussion of Chana, the myriad of deleterious influences we are exposed to has changed the dynamic, so that IMO we need to consider at times other tools and medicinal substances such as nutriceuticals in the treatment of our patients, such as in the case as when a patient has been tested as shows mineral deficiencies, in which no formula will properly resolve the deficiency. > > > > > > > > > www.traditionaljewi shmedicine. net > > > www.traditionaljewi shmedicine. blogspot. com > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > <zrosenbe (AT) san (DOT) rr.com> > > > > > > Mon, February 8, 2010 10:10:39 PM > > > Re: Re: Itching at night w/formula > > > > > > Yehuda, > > > Perhaps the herbs are not as 'identical' as you think they are, if you read closely on their indications, combinations, qi, channel entry and flavor. Itching and redness can indicate several issues other than allergy, including incorrect herb combination, wrong preparation, additives or substitutions, or interactions with other substances or medications in the diet or pharmaceutical regimen. Also, if you separate out one herb, and 'test' it before cooking or preparing it with the other herbs in the formula, it is already an inaccuracy. > > > > > > I stand on my position vis a vis kinesiology, I am fine with it as a tool for adjustments and musculoskeletal work, but I've seen too much abuse over the years when judging medicinal substances. > > > > > > Finally, I think 'mix and match' approaches to Chinese medicine can often lead to confusion or going off on the wrong track. > > > > > > > > > On Feb 8, 2010, at 9:43 PM, yehuda frischman wrote: > > > > > > > Z'ev, > > > > > > > > I don't understand how you can explain allergic reactivity in all cases by differential diagnosis. If we take two herbs with virtually identical properties, flavors, channels, and temperatures, yet one elicits an inflammatory reaction such as itching and redness, and the other causes no reactivity, why is that. On the other hand, if we deduce by trial that one causes reactivity, and the other doesn't, and then we " prove it " double blind using applied kinesiology, as I now do it, should that not support the hypothesis that a particular medicinal substance is reactive. I have to go now to ma'ariv but with return shortly to continue this discussion, > > > > > > > > > > > > www.traditionaljewi shmedicine. net > > > > www.traditionaljewi shmedicine. blogspot. com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > <zrosenbe (AT) san (DOT) rr.com> > > > > > > > > Mon, February 8, 2010 7:50:23 PM > > > > Re: Re: Itching at night w/formula > > > > > > > > Yehuda, > > > > I think if we are going to say a patient has an allergic reaction to an herb, we need to understand it in the perspective of Chinese medicine. In other words, > > > > > > > > 1) what is an allergy or allergic reaction in Chinese medicine? > > > > 2) what are the pathomechanisms of such a reaction? > > > > 3) why is the individual having a problem with the medicinal substance? > > > > > > > > For number three, usually it means that the formula or ingredient is not prescribed properly for the patient's condition or constitution. > > > > > > > > As far as kinesiology goes, in my opinion it is less than reliable as an indicator of allergic responses. It is too prone to suggestibility for testing medical reactions, I think it is more suitable for adjustments and musculo-skeletal balancing methods. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 8, 2010, at 6:20 PM, yehuda frischman wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi Laura, > > > > > > > > > > I've had a couple of patients that have had reactions such as you have had, and each time, it turned out that the allergic reaction was to one of the ingredients in the formula. In each case also, the allergic herb happened to be mentioned in either Bensky or Chen. One I specifically remember was an allergy to Huang Bai, in Zhi Bai Di Huang Wan. First, I looked at all the ingredients in the two both Materias Medica, to see if there was any mention in the literature of allergic reactions, and there indeed had been to Huang Bai. There doing a double blind test with applied kinesiology, Huang Bai was confirmed as being weak. When I replaced ZBDHW with Liu Wei Di Huang Wan, the patient benefited and had no adverse reaction whatsoever. Now to your case, you mentioned that you have done well with the classic formula of TWBXW, but not with this formulation. Interestingly, the new Bensky does list possible reactions to > > > > > both Bai Bu and Du Zhong. Though theory is all well and good, the first step I would take would be to test a possible reactivity to those two herbs IMVHO. > > > > > > > > > > > > Chair, Department of Herbal Medicine > > > > Pacific College of Oriental Medicine > > > > San Diego, Ca. 92122 > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 Yehuda, Mike, Ken Rose said something profound recently on the CMN list: " One must know one's tools thoroughly to be able to see past them. " It is very difficult to master two such vast systems as Chinese and Western medicine in one lifetime, I believe. One certainly can learn from other systems and approaches and adapt them to one's needs, but we must be careful of an ungrounded eclecticism, one that often permeates alternative medical professions. I agree that teaching diet and lifestyle, simple methods for repairing personal and family life, and ultimately, restoring the soul are important concerns for anyone who enters any of the healing professions. Chinese medicine has some great tools in this regard, under the 'specialty' known as 'yang sheng', or nourishing life. And the principles of Chinese medicine developed far back in the Su Wen of living with the seasons, cultivating tranquility, etc. are just as meaningful today. We just have a more complex set of challenges to that goal in our technological world. On Feb 11, 2010, at 11:27 AM, yehuda frischman wrote: > Mike, > > I couldn't agree with you more. We must keep learning, but we must also keep teaching and empowering. We live in and interface with an enormously complex world. The availability of virtually anything the heart desires, and the limited boundaries that adults and even children have, can wreak havoc on our natural built in protective survival instincts. We are not limited by the cycles of the sun and moon. We are not limited by our need for rest to renew ourselves--How many people do you know that when they are tired " relax " themselves by texting, playing video games or exploring on the internet. The truth is that these actions burn out yet more Yin in the already fried patient. The structure of families is deteriorating and less and less people function in group units. Everything is ME. We don't have time to eat slowly, thoughtfully, and consciously. We are constantly multitasking, and why? Not to give us the extra > time to rest, but to enable us to do yet more, MORE MORE! This is an out of control paradigm which IMVHO, is much more than Chinese medicine alone can handle. How do we save the bodies, and YES, souls of our fellow riders on this " E " ticket (those of you who remember Disneyland, in days of old, will recall that they would sell ticket books for rides, and the E tickets were the fastest, most exciting, stimulating, and desirable rides.) we are all on? The answer is very simple, one patient/student at a time! > I have been approached to begin a school of Traditional Jewish Medicine here in LA, for Orthodox Jewish post adolescents. I will require them to concurrently engage in a course of study of medicine or bodywork, leading to licensure or certification. I am hoping to use it as a vehicle to do just what I mentioned above: To encourage young people to enter the healing arts, to think differently about their diet, their lifestyle and their behavior, they and their families, while at the same time enpowering them with basic Chinese medical theory, teaching them tongue and pulse diagnosis, and simple practical clinical therapies. > > All of us need to teach in order to change others. And by doing so, it is my firm conviction that we can effect a miraculous paradigm shift on world consciousness--one person at a time. > > Chair, Department of Herbal Medicine Pacific College of Oriental Medicine San Diego, Ca. 92122 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 Z'ev, I have no argument with what you are saying, but would ask you to consider the following:  50 years ago, fast food was the exception rather than the rule,  life was much slower, obesity was not rampant, the majority of families remained intact, doctors customarily made house calls and had multifaceted medical knowledge. In general, the Western lifestyle was certainly much more gentle, optimistic and nurturing, But here we are, 50 years later, living in a hostile, compartmentalized, and overstimulated world, one in which children are raised  to be provocative yet vigilant, when there is no time to rest and regenerate, where survival is more respected than growth.  I am suggesting that this world of ours has engendered an emormous schism in which huge numbers of young people are completely out of touch with their minds, emotions, spirits and of course, their bodies.  What I am suggesting is not a new eclecticism, but rather a course of study to serve as a bridge, leading young people being more in touch with themselves and by extension, their families.  I am requiring students to simultaneously engaged in the study of or already be licensed in  medicine or body work to teach them hands on skills and  allow them to address the whole person, the body included. Not everyone is able to or prepared to make the commitment invest 3000 plus hours. Yet, just as the gap between the haves and have nots is widening at an alarming rate, the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer, so too is vibrant deep-rooted health, which should be the innate right of anyone who desires it, becoming increasingly uncommon, and common belief is that longevity and good health are the privilege of the wealthy. Truly,  much can be taught in a one to two year course: Teaching basic theory and simple diagnostic tools such as tongue, pulse and hands-on craniosacral therapy can have enormous diagnostic and therapeutic benefit   I, of course, emphasize that my goal is not to reduce the vastness of study and clinical practice. Reductionism can only lead to superficiality and error. Rather, my goal is to develop a different paradigm, a different way of viewing life and lifestyle, nutrition and health. I want my students to be aware if their pulses are rapid or empty, what it means  if their tongue is bright red, pale, purple or has no coating,  to have the clarity and education to know what to do as well as what not to do, to know what to ask and when necessary. I want to teach them to empower themselves, to put themselves and those close to them in balance, and create healthier families   from the grass roots.           ________________________________ <zrosenbe Chinese Medicine Thu, February 11, 2010 12:27:49 PM Re: Yes, we can change the world!  Yehuda, Mike, Ken Rose said something profound recently on the CMN list: " One must know one's tools thoroughly to be able to see past them. " It is very difficult to master two such vast systems as Chinese and Western medicine in one lifetime, I believe. One certainly can learn from other systems and approaches and adapt them to one's needs, but we must be careful of an ungrounded eclecticism, one that often permeates alternative medical professions. I agree that teaching diet and lifestyle, simple methods for repairing personal and family life, and ultimately, restoring the soul are important concerns for anyone who enters any of the healing professions. Chinese medicine has some great tools in this regard, under the 'specialty' known as 'yang sheng', or nourishing life. And the principles of Chinese medicine developed far back in the Su Wen of living with the seasons, cultivating tranquility, etc. are just as meaningful today. We just have a more complex set of challenges to that goal in our technological world. On Feb 11, 2010, at 11:27 AM, yehuda frischman wrote: > Mike, > > I couldn't agree with you more. We must keep learning, but we must also keep teaching and empowering. We live in and interface with an enormously complex world. The availability of virtually anything the heart desires, and the limited boundaries that adults and even children have, can wreak havoc on our natural built in protective survival instincts. We are not limited by the cycles of the sun and moon. We are not limited by our need for rest to renew ourselves--How many people do you know that when they are tired " relax " themselves by texting, playing video games or exploring on the internet. The truth is that these actions burn out yet more Yin in the already fried patient. The structure of families is deteriorating and less and less people function in group units. Everything is ME. We don't have time to eat slowly, thoughtfully, and consciously. We are constantly multitasking, and why? Not to give us the extra > time to rest, but to enable us to do yet more, MORE MORE! This is an out of control paradigm which IMVHO, is much more than Chinese medicine alone can handle. How do we save the bodies, and YES, souls of our fellow riders on this " E " ticket (those of you who remember Disneyland, in days of old, will recall that they would sell ticket books for rides, and the E tickets were the fastest, most exciting, stimulating, and desirable rides.) we are all on? The answer is very simple, one patient/student at a time! > I have been approached to begin a school of Traditional Jewish Medicine here in LA, for Orthodox Jewish post adolescents. I will require them to concurrently engage in a course of study of medicine or bodywork, leading to licensure or certification. I am hoping to use it as a vehicle to do just what I mentioned above: To encourage young people to enter the healing arts, to think differently about their diet, their lifestyle and their behavior, they and their families, while at the same time enpowering them with basic Chinese medical theory, teaching them tongue and pulse diagnosis, and simple practical clinical therapies. > > All of us need to teach in order to change others. And by doing so, it is my firm conviction that we can effect a miraculous paradigm shift on world consciousness- -one person at a time. > > Chair, Department of Herbal Medicine Pacific College of Oriental Medicine San Diego, Ca. 92122 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 Yehuda, All this is wonderful, and I am certainly supportive of developing trades for post-yeshiva/beit yaakov students, and aiding frum colleges. But I am skeptical of calling it " TJM " , I think it is misleading for many reasons which I won't go into right now. It sounds like you are offering a nice alternative for what is a 'holistic health practitioner' license here in San Diego. Strength and blessing, Z'ev On Feb 21, 2010, at 12:28 AM, yehuda frischman wrote: > Z'ev, > > I have no argument with what you are saying, but would ask you to consider the following: 50 years ago, fast food was the exception rather than the rule, life was much slower, obesity was not rampant, the majority of families remained intact, doctors customarily made house calls and had multifaceted medical knowledge. In general, the Western lifestyle was certainly much more gentle, optimistic and nurturing, > > But here we are, 50 years later, living in a hostile, compartmentalized, and overstimulated world, one in which children are raised to be provocative yet vigilant, when there is no time to rest and regenerate, where survival is more respected than growth. I am suggesting that this world of ours has engendered an emormous schism in which huge numbers of young people are completely out of touch with their minds, emotions, spirits and of course, their bodies. > > What I am suggesting is not a new eclecticism, but rather a course of study to serve as a bridge, leading young people being more in touch with themselves and by extension, their families. I am requiring students to simultaneously engaged in the study of or already be licensed in medicine or body work to teach them hands on skills and allow them to address the whole person, the body included. > > Not everyone is able to or prepared to make the commitment invest 3000 plus hours. Yet, just as the gap between the haves and have nots is widening at an alarming rate, the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer, so too is vibrant deep-rooted health, which should be the innate right of anyone who desires it, becoming increasingly uncommon, and common belief is that longevity and good health are the privilege of the wealthy. > > Truly, much can be taught in a one to two year course: Teaching basic theory and simple diagnostic tools such as tongue, pulse and hands-on craniosacral therapy can have enormous diagnostic and therapeutic benefit I, of course, emphasize that my goal is not to reduce the vastness of study and clinical practice. Reductionism can only lead to superficiality and error. Rather, my goal is to develop a different paradigm, a different way of viewing life and lifestyle, nutrition and health. I want my students to be aware if their pulses are rapid or empty, what it means if their tongue is bright red, pale, purple or has no coating, to have the clarity and education to know what to do as well as what not to do, to know what to ask and when necessary. I want to teach them to empower themselves, to put themselves and those close to them in balance, and create healthier families from the grass roots. > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > <zrosenbe > Chinese Medicine > Thu, February 11, 2010 12:27:49 PM > Re: Yes, we can change the world! > > > Yehuda, Mike, > Ken Rose said something profound recently on the CMN list: > > " One must know one's tools thoroughly to > be able to see past them. " > > It is very difficult to master two such vast systems as Chinese and Western medicine in one lifetime, I believe. One certainly can learn from other systems and approaches and adapt them to one's needs, but we must be careful of an ungrounded eclecticism, one that often permeates alternative medical professions. > > I agree that teaching diet and lifestyle, simple methods for repairing personal and family life, and ultimately, restoring the soul are important concerns for anyone who enters any of the healing professions. > > Chinese medicine has some great tools in this regard, under the 'specialty' known as 'yang sheng', or nourishing life. And the principles of Chinese medicine developed far back in the Su Wen of living with the seasons, cultivating tranquility, etc. are just as meaningful today. We just have a more complex set of challenges to that goal in our technological world. > > > On Feb 11, 2010, at 11:27 AM, yehuda frischman wrote: > > > Mike, > > > > I couldn't agree with you more. We must keep learning, but we must also keep teaching and empowering. We live in and interface with an enormously complex world. The availability of virtually anything the heart desires, and the limited boundaries that adults and even children have, can wreak havoc on our natural built in protective survival instincts. We are not limited by the cycles of the sun and moon. We are not limited by our need for rest to renew ourselves--How many people do you know that when they are tired " relax " themselves by texting, playing video games or exploring on the internet. The truth is that these actions burn out yet more Yin in the already fried patient. The structure of families is deteriorating and less and less people function in group units. Everything is ME. We don't have time to eat slowly, thoughtfully, and consciously. We are constantly multitasking, and why? Not to give us the extra > > time to rest, but to enable us to do yet more, MORE MORE! This is an out of control paradigm which IMVHO, is much more than Chinese medicine alone can handle. How do we save the bodies, and YES, souls of our fellow riders on this " E " ticket (those of you who remember Disneyland, in days of old, will recall that they would sell ticket books for rides, and the E tickets were the fastest, most exciting, stimulating, and desirable rides.) we are all on? The answer is very simple, one patient/student at a time! > > I have been approached to begin a school of Traditional Jewish Medicine here in LA, for Orthodox Jewish post adolescents. I will require them to concurrently engage in a course of study of medicine or bodywork, leading to licensure or certification. I am hoping to use it as a vehicle to do just what I mentioned above: To encourage young people to enter the healing arts, to think differently about their diet, their lifestyle and their behavior, they and their families, while at the same time enpowering them with basic Chinese medical theory, teaching them tongue and pulse diagnosis, and simple practical clinical therapies. > > > > All of us need to teach in order to change others. And by doing so, it is my firm conviction that we can effect a miraculous paradigm shift on world consciousness- -one person at a time. > > > > > > > Chair, Department of Herbal Medicine > Pacific College of Oriental Medicine > San Diego, Ca. 92122 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 What is a Holistic health practitioner license and under whose jurisdiction? ________________________________ <zrosenbe Chinese Medicine Sun, February 21, 2010 1:51:28 PM Re: Yes, we can change the world! Yehuda, All this is wonderful, and I am certainly supportive of developing trades for post-yeshiva/beit yaakov students, and aiding frum colleges. But I am skeptical of calling it " TJM " , I think it is misleading for many reasons which I won't go into right now. It sounds like you are offering a nice alternative for what is a 'holistic health practitioner' license here in San Diego. Strength and blessing, Z'ev On Feb 21, 2010, at 12:28 AM, yehuda frischman wrote: > Z'ev, > > I have no argument with what you are saying, but would ask you to consider the following: 50 years ago, fast food was the exception rather than the rule, life was much slower, obesity was not rampant, the majority of families remained intact, doctors customarily made house calls and had multifaceted medical knowledge. In general, the Western lifestyle was certainly much more gentle, optimistic and nurturing, > > But here we are, 50 years later, living in a hostile, compartmentalized, and overstimulated world, one in which children are raised to be provocative yet vigilant, when there is no time to rest and regenerate, where survival is more respected than growth. I am suggesting that this world of ours has engendered an emormous schism in which huge numbers of young people are completely out of touch with their minds, emotions, spirits and of course, their bodies. > > What I am suggesting is not a new eclecticism, but rather a course of study to serve as a bridge, leading young people being more in touch with themselves and by extension, their families. I am requiring students to simultaneously engaged in the study of or already be licensed in medicine or body work to teach them hands on skills and allow them to address the whole person, the body included. > > Not everyone is able to or prepared to make the commitment invest 3000 plus hours. Yet, just as the gap between the haves and have nots is widening at an alarming rate, the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer, so too is vibrant deep-rooted health, which should be the innate right of anyone who desires it, becoming increasingly uncommon, and common belief is that longevity and good health are the privilege of the wealthy. > > Truly, much can be taught in a one to two year course: Teaching basic theory and simple diagnostic tools such as tongue, pulse and hands-on craniosacral therapy can have enormous diagnostic and therapeutic benefit I, of course, emphasize that my goal is not to reduce the vastness of study and clinical practice. Reductionism can only lead to superficiality and error. Rather, my goal is to develop a different paradigm, a different way of viewing life and lifestyle, nutrition and health. I want my students to be aware if their pulses are rapid or empty, what it means if their tongue is bright red, pale, purple or has no coating, to have the clarity and education to know what to do as well as what not to do, to know what to ask and when necessary. I want to teach them to empower themselves, to put themselves and those close to them in balance, and create healthier families from the grass roots. > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > <zrosenbe > Chinese Medicine > Thu, February 11, 2010 12:27:49 PM > Re: Yes, we can change the world! > > > Yehuda, Mike, > Ken Rose said something profound recently on the CMN list: > > " One must know one's tools thoroughly to > be able to see past them. " > > It is very difficult to master two such vast systems as Chinese and Western medicine in one lifetime, I believe. One certainly can learn from other systems and approaches and adapt them to one's needs, but we must be careful of an ungrounded eclecticism, one that often permeates alternative medical professions. > > I agree that teaching diet and lifestyle, simple methods for repairing personal and family life, and ultimately, restoring the soul are important concerns for anyone who enters any of the healing professions. > > Chinese medicine has some great tools in this regard, under the 'specialty' known as 'yang sheng', or nourishing life. And the principles of Chinese medicine developed far back in the Su Wen of living with the seasons, cultivating tranquility, etc. are just as meaningful today. We just have a more complex set of challenges to that goal in our technological world. > > > On Feb 11, 2010, at 11:27 AM, yehuda frischman wrote: > > > Mike, > > > > I couldn't agree with you more. We must keep learning, but we must also keep teaching and empowering. We live in and interface with an enormously complex world. The availability of virtually anything the heart desires, and the limited boundaries that adults and even children have, can wreak havoc on our natural built in protective survival instincts. We are not limited by the cycles of the sun and moon. We are not limited by our need for rest to renew ourselves--How many people do you know that when they are tired " relax " themselves by texting, playing video games or exploring on the internet. The truth is that these actions burn out yet more Yin in the already fried patient. The structure of families is deteriorating and less and less people function in group units. Everything is ME. We don't have time to eat slowly, thoughtfully, and consciously. We are constantly multitasking, and why? Not to give us the extra > > time to rest, but to enable us to do yet more, MORE MORE! This is an out of control paradigm which IMVHO, is much more than Chinese medicine alone can handle. How do we save the bodies, and YES, souls of our fellow riders on this " E " ticket (those of you who remember Disneyland, in days of old, will recall that they would sell ticket books for rides, and the E tickets were the fastest, most exciting, stimulating, and desirable rides.) we are all on? The answer is very simple, one patient/student at a time! > > I have been approached to begin a school of Traditional Jewish Medicine here in LA, for Orthodox Jewish post adolescents. I will require them to concurrently engage in a course of study of medicine or bodywork, leading to licensure or certification. I am hoping to use it as a vehicle to do just what I mentioned above: To encourage young people to enter the healing arts, to think differently about their diet, their lifestyle and their behavior, they and their families, while at the same time enpowering them with basic Chinese medical theory, teaching them tongue and pulse diagnosis, and simple practical clinical therapies. > > > > All of us need to teach in order to change others. And by doing so, it is my firm conviction that we can effect a miraculous paradigm shift on world consciousness- -one person at a time. > > > > > > > Chair, Department of Herbal Medicine > Pacific College of Oriental Medicine > San Diego, Ca. 92122 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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