Guest guest Posted February 15, 2010 Report Share Posted February 15, 2010 Anne Pursuant to Florida law......fee splitting or percentage basis is ILLEGAL for all involved whether another acupuncturist or a DC or even an MD. The independent contractor pays rent on some sort of time basis. Hourly, daily, weekly, etc. And more than likely a contract will be needed. Also...you must consider the labor laws in your state. Sometimes you THINK that they are independent contractors but may wind up your employee if not careful. Mike's right that an accountant is certainly not the source for legal advice especially in the healthcare domain. Often different laws apply to healthcare than other businesses. That's why you need to check with a lawyer. Make sure that he/she KNOWS healthcare and labor law in your state. Richard In a message dated 2/15/2010 2:20:40 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, naturaldoc1 writes: Anne, My instructor on this stuff, also an attorney, made mention many times that legal type advice should not come from an accountant but only an attorney. Did you check out the AT article yet? Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc Chinese Medicine anne.crowley Mon, 15 Feb 2010 21:45:29 +0000 Re: Independent Contractor Funny, my accountant told me to start this way. He is usually pretty conservative. Thanks for your input, though, Mike. Anne Anne C. Crowley, L.Ac., Dipl.Ac. www.LaPlataAcupuncture.com - " mike Bowser " <naturaldoc1 " traditional chinese medicine " <Chinese Traditional Medicine > Monday, February 15, 2010 4:35:39 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern RE: TCM - Independent Contractor I would suggest you read the 20 pint IRS criteria for Independent contractors and then consider that they are rentors. I was told to think of it like a barber. They run their own business, pay their own rent and bill for their own services. They do not pay percent, that is an associate or employee. The IRS has stepped up invetigation and enforcement of this designation, as many businesses are trying to avoid paying taxes when they try to file this way. Also look at Dr. Kevin McNamee DC/LAc article at Acupuncturetoday.com in their archives for an article that lays out Independent contractor vs employee and gives several criteria for each. Please note in this article that you cannot pick and choose from each side of the columns. Also check you state laws for fee splitting, which usually shows up in this type of discussion. It is illegal in many states. Let me know if you have anymore questions. Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc Chinese Medicine anne.crowley Mon, 15 Feb 2010 20:35:35 +0000 Re: Independent Contractor I am about ready to hire and independent contractor. I have been talking about it for over a year and suddenly someone presented themselves. I didn't even advertise. So now I have to get serious. Any advice on this would be greatly appreciated. One question comes to mind: How do I pay them? Does the patient write the check to me, then I give a percent to the independent contractor. or Do they write the check to him and then he gives me a percentage? What is your typical percentage to pay them. I am going to train them and market to get them patients. Insurance is another issue. Neither of us are providers. I may hire a biller to submit bills. The bills should be submitted for us each indivdually - again can they pay me?. If we were providers, he would need his own credientialing and so would I. How could it fall under me and then I pay him. I know this is confusing. I just don't understand the language. Anne Anne C. Crowley, L.Ac., Dipl.Ac. www.LaPlataAcupuncture.com - " Marnie McCurdy " <marnieeastwestsf " Traditional " <Chinese Medicine > Friday, February 12, 2010 11:55:51 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Re: Re: Marketing John, I admire the time you take to reply to posts. That was such a nice, comprehensive list of advice in starting a new clinic and marketing. Marnie R. McCurdy, L.Ac. East-West Integrative Medicine Clinic 605 Chenery St. Suite C San Francisco, Ca 94131 ofc. 415.585.1990 cel. 415.987.7578 www.eastwestsf.com http://www.facebook.com/home.php?# !/pages/San-Francisco-CA/East-West-SF/259145138744?ref=ts find us on Facebook under East-West SF --- On Fri, 2/12/10, < johnkokko > wrote: < johnkokko > Re: Re: Marketing Chinese Medicine Friday, February 12, 2010, 12:03 PM Angela, I didn't say " don't take insurance " .. some people do really well with that. I think people just really come because of you, your personality, your skills, results... especially in a city where there are a lot of practitioners. Maybe we can say, " just be true to yourself and stay passionate " K On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Angela Pfaffenberger, PH.D. < angelapfa > wrote: > > > There are many types of marketing that can be successful, you need to find > what is the best match for you. > In my town someone has a hugely successful practice by being the low price > leader, it really depends on who you want to be professionally. > I recommend the opposite of John: > Advertise! > Take insurance. > Advertise that you take insurance! > > Regards, > Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. > > angelapfa <angelapfa%40comcast.net> > > www.InnerhealthSalem.com > > Phone: 503 364 3022 > > - > " " < johnkokko <johnkokko%40gmail.com>> > < Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40> > > > Friday, February 12, 2010 2:21 AM > Re: Re: Marketing > > > make your own website : www.wix.com > > business cards : on the back, leave a space for the next appointment time > > and write " we appreciate your referrals " > > rely on word-of-mouth, not passive advertising (ads etc) > > referred patients last longer than walk-ins > > specialize in something you have confidence and experience in > > location, location, location > > parking, parking, parking > > available hours (early and after work for professionals) > > do custom herbs (anyone can give pills or find pills online) > > make sure do some bodywork, people like contact > > work with other professionals (get a referral network) > > focus on the patients, not the money > > work with your community > > keep abreast on news and sports and have a sense of humor.. smile > > don't burn out... get treatments for yourself > > let the community see your face and hear your voice > > include nutrition in your treatment plan > > make sure your clinic has good feng-shui > > know how to explain how acupuncture works from both traditional/ > > bio-medical > > perspectives > > be involved in the state and national acupuncture organizations > > take classes in practical aspects of the medicine, you can use right now > > teach classes in the community: TCM schools etc. > > tell people what kind of things you can treat for them (service) > > not just that you're an acupuncturist (they only think about sharp > > needles) > > but a holistic healer > > for people who are afraid of needles, tell them you can start off with > > acupressure > > work with families... grandma, mama, kids, aunts, uncles, friends > > stay positive > > be a teacher, not a preacher > > stick to what you're good at > > have good visibility, signage at your clinic > > when things work, it's not because of us, but because of the power of the > > medicine > > remind people about their health... people forget quickly > > teach people Qi-gong during the session > > don't take too many or too long of vacations, people like consistency > > take mini-vacations and stay passionate and energetic > > wear professional but casual clothes > > don't try to do everything in one treatment > > make sure to see the patient at least once/ month, even if there's > nothing > > " wrong " > > don't push to see the patient 3 times / week if they can't afford it > > keep the rooms warm and comfortable.. 7 " heat lamp heads are better than > > 5 " > > ones > > have a fountain near the door > > make sure the bathrooms are clean and stocked > > make sure your breath doesn't stink and your finger nails are clipped > > use needles that don't create sharp pain, but make sure the patient feels > > something > > show the patient stretches and exercises they can do at home > > set up a booth at a farmer's market > > have a testimony book in the waiting room > > don't advertise yourself, advertise your clinic and what you can do for > > them > > schedule a period in the afternoon when you can enjoy your lunch and take > > > a > > nap if you need one > > take public-speaking classes > > practice writing with blogs, email letters, newsletters, articles in > > newspapers > > make sure to keep your family happy and part of the team > > ..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 8:30 PM, Gregory E. 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Guest guest Posted February 15, 2010 Report Share Posted February 15, 2010 I am about ready to hire and independent contractor. I have been talking about it for over a year and suddenly someone presented themselves. I didn't even advertise. So now I have to get serious. Any advice on this would be greatly appreciated. One question comes to mind: How do I pay them? Does the patient write the check to me, then I give a percent to the independent contractor.  or Do they write the check to him and then he gives me a percentage? What is your typical percentage to pay them. I am going to train them and market to get them patients. Insurance is another issue. Neither of us are providers. I may hire a biller to submit bills. The bills should be submitted for us each indivdually - again can they pay me?. If we were providers, he would need his own credientialing and so would I. How could it fall under me and then I pay him. I know this is confusing. I just don't understand the language. Anne Anne C. Crowley, L.Ac., Dipl.Ac. www.LaPlataAcupuncture.com - " Marnie McCurdy " <marnieeastwestsf " Traditional " <Chinese Medicine > Friday, February 12, 2010 11:55:51 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Re: Re: Marketing  John, I admire the time you take to reply to posts. That was such a nice, comprehensive list of advice in starting a new clinic and marketing. Marnie R. McCurdy, L.Ac. East-West Integrative Medicine Clinic 605 Chenery St. Suite C San Francisco, Ca 94131 ofc. 415.585.1990 cel. 415.987.7578 www.eastwestsf.com http://www.facebook.com/home.php?# !/pages/San-Francisco-CA/East-West-SF/259145138744?ref=ts find us on Facebook under East-West SF --- On Fri, 2/12/10, < johnkokko > wrote: < johnkokko > Re: Re: Marketing Chinese Medicine Friday, February 12, 2010, 12:03 PM Angela, I didn't say " don't take insurance " .. some people do really well with that. I think people just really come because of you, your personality, your skills, results... especially in a city where there are a lot of practitioners. Maybe we can say, " just be true to yourself and stay passionate " K On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Angela Pfaffenberger, PH.D. < angelapfa > wrote: > > > There are many types of marketing that can be successful, you need to find > what is the best match for you. > In my town someone has a hugely successful practice by being the low price > leader, it really depends on who you want to be professionally. > I recommend the opposite of John: > Advertise! > Take insurance. > Advertise that you take insurance! > > Regards, > Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. > > angelapfa <angelapfa%40comcast.net> > > www.InnerhealthSalem.com > > Phone: 503 364 3022 > > - > " " < johnkokko <johnkokko%40gmail.com>> > < Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40> > > > Friday, February 12, 2010 2:21 AM > Re: Re: Marketing > > > make your own website : www.wix.com > > business cards : on the back, leave a space for the next appointment time > > and write " we appreciate your referrals " > > rely on word-of-mouth, not passive advertising (ads etc) > > referred patients last longer than walk-ins > > specialize in something you have confidence and experience in > > location, location, location > > parking, parking, parking > > available hours (early and after work for professionals) > > do custom herbs (anyone can give pills or find pills online) > > make sure do some bodywork, people like contact > > work with other professionals (get a referral network) > > focus on the patients, not the money > > work with your community > > keep abreast on news and sports and have a sense of humor.. smile > > don't burn out... get treatments for yourself > > let the community see your face and hear your voice > > include nutrition in your treatment plan > > make sure your clinic has good feng-shui > > know how to explain how acupuncture works from both traditional/ > > bio-medical > > perspectives > > be involved in the state and national acupuncture organizations > > take classes in practical aspects of the medicine, you can use right now > > teach classes in the community: TCM schools etc. > > tell people what kind of things you can treat for them (service) > > not just that you're an acupuncturist (they only think about sharp > > needles) > > but a holistic healer > > for people who are afraid of needles, tell them you can start off with > > acupressure > > work with families... grandma, mama, kids, aunts, uncles, friends > > stay positive > > be a teacher, not a preacher > > stick to what you're good at > > have good visibility, signage at your clinic > > when things work, it's not because of us, but because of the power of the > > medicine > > remind people about their health... people forget quickly > > teach people Qi-gong during the session > > don't take too many or too long of vacations, people like consistency > > take mini-vacations and stay passionate and energetic > > wear professional but casual clothes > > don't try to do everything in one treatment > > make sure to see the patient at least once/ month, even if there's > nothing > > " wrong " > > don't push to see the patient 3 times / week if they can't afford it > > keep the rooms warm and comfortable.. 7 " heat lamp heads are better than > > 5 " > > ones > > have a fountain near the door > > make sure the bathrooms are clean and stocked > > make sure your breath doesn't stink and your finger nails are clipped > > use needles that don't create sharp pain, but make sure the patient feels > > something > > show the patient stretches and exercises they can do at home > > set up a booth at a farmer's market > > have a testimony book in the waiting room > > don't advertise yourself, advertise your clinic and what you can do for > > them > > schedule a period in the afternoon when you can enjoy your lunch and take > > > a > > nap if you need one > > take public-speaking classes > > practice writing with blogs, email letters, newsletters, articles in > > newspapers > > make sure to keep your family happy and part of the team > > ..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 8:30 PM, Gregory E. LeBlanc < > > gleblanc <gleblanc%40turningpointonline.info>> > wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> Hello all, > >> > >> I am new to the forum and have enjoyed reading the posts, allot of > >> knowledge is connect here. > >> > >> I wanted to ask the forum what worked for people in starting and > >> marketing your business; I have recently re-located my office and I am > >> hoping for some fresh ideas on how to kick start it. > >> > >> Thank you in advance > >> > >> Greg > >> > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > "" > > > > > > www.tcmreview.com > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2010 Report Share Posted February 15, 2010 I would suggest you read the 20 pint IRS criteria for Independent contractors and then consider that they are rentors. I was told to think of it like a barber. They run their own business, pay their own rent and bill for their own services. They do not pay percent, that is an associate or employee. The IRS has stepped up invetigation and enforcement of this designation, as many businesses are trying to avoid paying taxes when they try to file this way. Also look at Dr. Kevin McNamee DC/LAc article at Acupuncturetoday.com in their archives for an article that lays out Independent contractor vs employee and gives several criteria for each. Please note in this article that you cannot pick and choose from each side of the columns. Also check you state laws for fee splitting, which usually shows up in this type of discussion. It is illegal in many states. Let me know if you have anymore questions. Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc Chinese Medicine anne.crowley Mon, 15 Feb 2010 20:35:35 +0000 Re: Independent Contractor I am about ready to hire and independent contractor. I have been talking about it for over a year and suddenly someone presented themselves. I didn't even advertise. So now I have to get serious. Any advice on this would be greatly appreciated. One question comes to mind: How do I pay them? Does the patient write the check to me, then I give a percent to the independent contractor. or Do they write the check to him and then he gives me a percentage? What is your typical percentage to pay them. I am going to train them and market to get them patients. Insurance is another issue. Neither of us are providers. I may hire a biller to submit bills. The bills should be submitted for us each indivdually - again can they pay me?. If we were providers, he would need his own credientialing and so would I. How could it fall under me and then I pay him. I know this is confusing. I just don't understand the language. Anne Anne C. Crowley, L.Ac., Dipl.Ac. www.LaPlataAcupuncture.com - " Marnie McCurdy " <marnieeastwestsf " Traditional " <Chinese Medicine > Friday, February 12, 2010 11:55:51 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Re: Re: Marketing John, I admire the time you take to reply to posts. That was such a nice, comprehensive list of advice in starting a new clinic and marketing. Marnie R. McCurdy, L.Ac. East-West Integrative Medicine Clinic 605 Chenery St. Suite C San Francisco, Ca 94131 ofc. 415.585.1990 cel. 415.987.7578 www.eastwestsf.com http://www.facebook.com/home.php?# !/pages/San-Francisco-CA/East-West-SF/259145138744?ref=ts find us on Facebook under East-West SF --- On Fri, 2/12/10, < johnkokko > wrote: < johnkokko > Re: Re: Marketing Chinese Medicine Friday, February 12, 2010, 12:03 PM Angela, I didn't say " don't take insurance " .. some people do really well with that. I think people just really come because of you, your personality, your skills, results... especially in a city where there are a lot of practitioners. Maybe we can say, " just be true to yourself and stay passionate " K On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Angela Pfaffenberger, PH.D. < angelapfa > wrote: > > > There are many types of marketing that can be successful, you need to find > what is the best match for you. > In my town someone has a hugely successful practice by being the low price > leader, it really depends on who you want to be professionally. > I recommend the opposite of John: > Advertise! > Take insurance. > Advertise that you take insurance! > > Regards, > Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. > > angelapfa <angelapfa%40comcast.net> > > www.InnerhealthSalem.com > > Phone: 503 364 3022 > > - > " " < johnkokko <johnkokko%40gmail.com>> > < Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40> > > > Friday, February 12, 2010 2:21 AM > Re: Re: Marketing > > > make your own website : www.wix.com > > business cards : on the back, leave a space for the next appointment time > > and write " we appreciate your referrals " > > rely on word-of-mouth, not passive advertising (ads etc) > > referred patients last longer than walk-ins > > specialize in something you have confidence and experience in > > location, location, location > > parking, parking, parking > > available hours (early and after work for professionals) > > do custom herbs (anyone can give pills or find pills online) > > make sure do some bodywork, people like contact > > work with other professionals (get a referral network) > > focus on the patients, not the money > > work with your community > > keep abreast on news and sports and have a sense of humor.. smile > > don't burn out... get treatments for yourself > > let the community see your face and hear your voice > > include nutrition in your treatment plan > > make sure your clinic has good feng-shui > > know how to explain how acupuncture works from both traditional/ > > bio-medical > > perspectives > > be involved in the state and national acupuncture organizations > > take classes in practical aspects of the medicine, you can use right now > > teach classes in the community: TCM schools etc. > > tell people what kind of things you can treat for them (service) > > not just that you're an acupuncturist (they only think about sharp > > needles) > > but a holistic healer > > for people who are afraid of needles, tell them you can start off with > > acupressure > > work with families... grandma, mama, kids, aunts, uncles, friends > > stay positive > > be a teacher, not a preacher > > stick to what you're good at > > have good visibility, signage at your clinic > > when things work, it's not because of us, but because of the power of the > > medicine > > remind people about their health... people forget quickly > > teach people Qi-gong during the session > > don't take too many or too long of vacations, people like consistency > > take mini-vacations and stay passionate and energetic > > wear professional but casual clothes > > don't try to do everything in one treatment > > make sure to see the patient at least once/ month, even if there's > nothing > > " wrong " > > don't push to see the patient 3 times / week if they can't afford it > > keep the rooms warm and comfortable.. 7 " heat lamp heads are better than > > 5 " > > ones > > have a fountain near the door > > make sure the bathrooms are clean and stocked > > make sure your breath doesn't stink and your finger nails are clipped > > use needles that don't create sharp pain, but make sure the patient feels > > something > > show the patient stretches and exercises they can do at home > > set up a booth at a farmer's market > > have a testimony book in the waiting room > > don't advertise yourself, advertise your clinic and what you can do for > > them > > schedule a period in the afternoon when you can enjoy your lunch and take > > > a > > nap if you need one > > take public-speaking classes > > practice writing with blogs, email letters, newsletters, articles in > > newspapers > > make sure to keep your family happy and part of the team > > ..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 8:30 PM, Gregory E. LeBlanc < > > gleblanc <gleblanc%40turningpointonline.info>> > wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> Hello all, > >> > >> I am new to the forum and have enjoyed reading the posts, allot of > >> knowledge is connect here. > >> > >> I wanted to ask the forum what worked for people in starting and > >> marketing your business; I have recently re-located my office and I am > >> hoping for some fresh ideas on how to kick start it. > >> > >> Thank you in advance > >> > >> Greg > >> > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > "" > > > > > > www.tcmreview.com > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2010 Report Share Posted February 15, 2010 Funny, my accountant told me to start this way. He is usually pretty conservative. Thanks for your input, though, Mike. Anne Anne C. Crowley, L.Ac., Dipl.Ac. www.LaPlataAcupuncture.com - " mike Bowser " <naturaldoc1 " traditional chinese medicine " <Chinese Traditional Medicine > Monday, February 15, 2010 4:35:39 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern RE: Independent Contractor I would suggest you read the 20 pint IRS criteria for Independent contractors and then consider that they are rentors.  I was told to think of it like a barber.  They run their own business, pay their own rent and bill for their own services.  They do not pay percent, that is an associate or employee.  The IRS has stepped up invetigation and enforcement of this designation, as many businesses are trying to avoid paying taxes when they try to file this way.  Also look at Dr. Kevin McNamee DC/LAc article at Acupuncturetoday.com in their archives for an article that lays out Independent contractor vs employee and gives several criteria for each.  Please note in this article that you cannot pick and choose from each side of the columns.  Also check you state laws for fee splitting, which usually shows up in this type of discussion.  It is illegal in many states.  Let me know if you have anymore questions.  Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc  Chinese Medicine anne.crowley Mon, 15 Feb 2010 20:35:35 +0000 Re: Independent Contractor   I am about ready to hire and independent contractor.  I have been talking about it for over a year and suddenly someone presented themselves.  I didn't even advertise.  So now I have to get serious. Any advice on this would be greatly appreciated. One question comes to mind:  How do I pay them? Does the patient write the check to me, then I give a percent to the independent contractor.  or Do they write the check to him and  then he gives me a percentage? What is your typical percentage to pay them.  I am going to train them and market to get them patients. Insurance is another issue.  Neither of us are providers.  I may hire a biller to submit bills.  The bills should be submitted for us each indivdually - again can they pay me?.  If we were providers, he would need his own credientialing and so would I.  How could it fall under me and then I pay him.  I know this is confusing.  I just don't understand the language. Anne Anne C. Crowley, L.Ac., Dipl.Ac. www.LaPlataAcupuncture.com - " Marnie McCurdy " <marnieeastwestsf " Traditional " <Chinese Medicine > Friday, February 12, 2010 11:55:51 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Re: Re: Marketing   John, I admire the time you take to reply to posts. That was such a nice, comprehensive list of advice in starting a new clinic and marketing. Marnie R. McCurdy, L.Ac. East-West Integrative Medicine Clinic 605 Chenery St.  Suite C San Francisco, Ca  94131 ofc. 415.585.1990 cel. 415.987.7578 www.eastwestsf.com http://www.facebook.com/home.php?# !/pages/San-Francisco-CA/East-West-SF/259145138744?ref=ts find us on Facebook under East-West SF --- On Fri, 2/12/10, < johnkokko > wrote: < johnkokko > Re: Re: Marketing Chinese Medicine Friday, February 12, 2010, 12:03 PM Angela, I didn't say " don't take insurance " .. some people do really well with that. I think people just really come because of you, your personality, your skills, results... especially in a city where there are a lot of practitioners. Maybe we can say, " just be true to yourself and stay passionate " K On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Angela Pfaffenberger, PH.D. < angelapfa > wrote: > > > There are many types of marketing that can be successful, you need to find > what is the best match for you. > In my town someone has a hugely successful practice by being the low price > leader, it really depends on who you want to be professionally. > I recommend the opposite of John: > Advertise! > Take insurance. > Advertise that you take insurance! > > Regards, > Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. > > angelapfa <angelapfa%40comcast.net> > > www.InnerhealthSalem.com > > Phone: 503 364 3022 > > - > " " < johnkokko <johnkokko%40gmail.com>> > < Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40> > > > Friday, February 12, 2010 2:21 AM > Re: Re: Marketing > > > make your own website : www.wix.com > > business cards : on the back, leave a space for the next appointment time > > and write " we appreciate your referrals " > > rely on word-of-mouth, not passive advertising (ads etc) > > referred patients last longer than walk-ins > > specialize in something you have confidence and experience in > > location, location, location > > parking, parking, parking > > available hours (early and after work for professionals) > > do custom herbs (anyone can give pills or find pills online) > > make sure do some bodywork, people like contact > > work with other professionals (get a referral network) > > focus on the patients, not the money > > work with your community > > keep abreast on news and sports and have a sense of humor.. smile > > don't burn out... get treatments for yourself > > let the community see your face and hear your voice > > include nutrition in your treatment plan > > make sure your clinic has good feng-shui > > know how to explain how acupuncture works from both traditional/ > > bio-medical > > perspectives > > be involved in the state and national acupuncture organizations > > take classes in practical aspects of the medicine, you can use right now > > teach classes in the community: TCM schools etc. > > tell people what kind of things you can treat for them (service) > > not just that you're an acupuncturist (they only think about sharp > > needles) > > but a holistic healer > > for people who are afraid of needles, tell them you can start off with > > acupressure > > work with families... grandma, mama, kids, aunts, uncles, friends > > stay positive > > be a teacher, not a preacher > > stick to what you're good at > > have good visibility, signage at your clinic > > when things work, it's not because of us, but because of the power of the > > medicine > > remind people about their health... people forget quickly > > teach people Qi-gong during the session > > don't take too many or too long of vacations, people like consistency > > take mini-vacations and stay passionate and energetic > > wear professional but casual clothes > > don't try to do everything in one treatment > > make sure to see the patient at least once/ month, even if there's > nothing > > " wrong " > > don't push to see the patient 3 times / week if they can't afford it > > keep the rooms warm and comfortable.. 7 " heat lamp heads are better than > > 5 " > > ones > > have a fountain near the door > > make sure the bathrooms are clean and stocked > > make sure your breath doesn't stink and your finger nails are clipped > > use needles that don't create sharp pain, but make sure the patient feels > > something > > show the patient stretches and exercises they can do at home > > set up a booth at a farmer's market > > have a testimony book in the waiting room > > don't advertise yourself, advertise your clinic and what you can do for > > them > > schedule a period in the afternoon when you can enjoy your lunch and take > > > a > > nap if you need one > > take public-speaking classes > > practice writing with blogs, email letters, newsletters, articles in > > newspapers > > make sure to keep your family happy and part of the team > > ..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 8:30 PM, Gregory E. LeBlanc < > > gleblanc <gleblanc%40turningpointonline.info>> > wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> Hello all, > >> > >> I am new to the forum and have enjoyed reading the posts, allot of > >> knowledge is connect here. > >> > >> I wanted to ask the forum what worked for people in starting and > >> marketing your business; I have recently re-located my office and I am > >> hoping for some fresh ideas on how to kick start it. > >> > >> Thank you in advance > >> > >> Greg > >> > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > "" > > > > > > www.tcmreview.com > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2010 Report Share Posted February 15, 2010 Anne, My instructor on this stuff, also an attorney, made mention many times that legal type advice should not come from an accountant but only an attorney. Did you check out the AT article yet? Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc Chinese Medicine anne.crowley Mon, 15 Feb 2010 21:45:29 +0000 Re: Independent Contractor Funny, my accountant told me to start this way. He is usually pretty conservative. Thanks for your input, though, Mike. Anne Anne C. Crowley, L.Ac., Dipl.Ac. www.LaPlataAcupuncture.com - " mike Bowser " <naturaldoc1 " traditional chinese medicine " <Chinese Traditional Medicine > Monday, February 15, 2010 4:35:39 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern RE: Independent Contractor I would suggest you read the 20 pint IRS criteria for Independent contractors and then consider that they are rentors. I was told to think of it like a barber. They run their own business, pay their own rent and bill for their own services. They do not pay percent, that is an associate or employee. The IRS has stepped up invetigation and enforcement of this designation, as many businesses are trying to avoid paying taxes when they try to file this way. Also look at Dr. Kevin McNamee DC/LAc article at Acupuncturetoday.com in their archives for an article that lays out Independent contractor vs employee and gives several criteria for each. Please note in this article that you cannot pick and choose from each side of the columns. Also check you state laws for fee splitting, which usually shows up in this type of discussion. It is illegal in many states. Let me know if you have anymore questions. Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc Chinese Medicine anne.crowley Mon, 15 Feb 2010 20:35:35 +0000 Re: Independent Contractor I am about ready to hire and independent contractor. I have been talking about it for over a year and suddenly someone presented themselves. I didn't even advertise. So now I have to get serious. Any advice on this would be greatly appreciated. One question comes to mind: How do I pay them? Does the patient write the check to me, then I give a percent to the independent contractor. or Do they write the check to him and then he gives me a percentage? What is your typical percentage to pay them. I am going to train them and market to get them patients. Insurance is another issue. Neither of us are providers. I may hire a biller to submit bills. The bills should be submitted for us each indivdually - again can they pay me?. If we were providers, he would need his own credientialing and so would I. How could it fall under me and then I pay him. I know this is confusing. I just don't understand the language. Anne Anne C. Crowley, L.Ac., Dipl.Ac. www.LaPlataAcupuncture.com - " Marnie McCurdy " <marnieeastwestsf " Traditional " <Chinese Medicine > Friday, February 12, 2010 11:55:51 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Re: Re: Marketing John, I admire the time you take to reply to posts. That was such a nice, comprehensive list of advice in starting a new clinic and marketing. Marnie R. McCurdy, L.Ac. East-West Integrative Medicine Clinic 605 Chenery St. Suite C San Francisco, Ca 94131 ofc. 415.585.1990 cel. 415.987.7578 www.eastwestsf.com http://www.facebook.com/home.php?# !/pages/San-Francisco-CA/East-West-SF/259145138744?ref=ts find us on Facebook under East-West SF --- On Fri, 2/12/10, < johnkokko > wrote: < johnkokko > Re: Re: Marketing Chinese Medicine Friday, February 12, 2010, 12:03 PM Angela, I didn't say " don't take insurance " .. some people do really well with that. I think people just really come because of you, your personality, your skills, results... especially in a city where there are a lot of practitioners. Maybe we can say, " just be true to yourself and stay passionate " K On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Angela Pfaffenberger, PH.D. < angelapfa > wrote: > > > There are many types of marketing that can be successful, you need to find > what is the best match for you. > In my town someone has a hugely successful practice by being the low price > leader, it really depends on who you want to be professionally. > I recommend the opposite of John: > Advertise! > Take insurance. > Advertise that you take insurance! > > Regards, > Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. > > angelapfa <angelapfa%40comcast.net> > > www.InnerhealthSalem.com > > Phone: 503 364 3022 > > - > " " < johnkokko <johnkokko%40gmail.com>> > < Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40> > > > Friday, February 12, 2010 2:21 AM > Re: Re: Marketing > > > make your own website : www.wix.com > > business cards : on the back, leave a space for the next appointment time > > and write " we appreciate your referrals " > > rely on word-of-mouth, not passive advertising (ads etc) > > referred patients last longer than walk-ins > > specialize in something you have confidence and experience in > > location, location, location > > parking, parking, parking > > available hours (early and after work for professionals) > > do custom herbs (anyone can give pills or find pills online) > > make sure do some bodywork, people like contact > > work with other professionals (get a referral network) > > focus on the patients, not the money > > work with your community > > keep abreast on news and sports and have a sense of humor.. smile > > don't burn out... get treatments for yourself > > let the community see your face and hear your voice > > include nutrition in your treatment plan > > make sure your clinic has good feng-shui > > know how to explain how acupuncture works from both traditional/ > > bio-medical > > perspectives > > be involved in the state and national acupuncture organizations > > take classes in practical aspects of the medicine, you can use right now > > teach classes in the community: TCM schools etc. > > tell people what kind of things you can treat for them (service) > > not just that you're an acupuncturist (they only think about sharp > > needles) > > but a holistic healer > > for people who are afraid of needles, tell them you can start off with > > acupressure > > work with families... grandma, mama, kids, aunts, uncles, friends > > stay positive > > be a teacher, not a preacher > > stick to what you're good at > > have good visibility, signage at your clinic > > when things work, it's not because of us, but because of the power of the > > medicine > > remind people about their health... people forget quickly > > teach people Qi-gong during the session > > don't take too many or too long of vacations, people like consistency > > take mini-vacations and stay passionate and energetic > > wear professional but casual clothes > > don't try to do everything in one treatment > > make sure to see the patient at least once/ month, even if there's > nothing > > " wrong " > > don't push to see the patient 3 times / week if they can't afford it > > keep the rooms warm and comfortable.. 7 " heat lamp heads are better than > > 5 " > > ones > > have a fountain near the door > > make sure the bathrooms are clean and stocked > > make sure your breath doesn't stink and your finger nails are clipped > > use needles that don't create sharp pain, but make sure the patient feels > > something > > show the patient stretches and exercises they can do at home > > set up a booth at a farmer's market > > have a testimony book in the waiting room > > don't advertise yourself, advertise your clinic and what you can do for > > them > > schedule a period in the afternoon when you can enjoy your lunch and take > > > a > > nap if you need one > > take public-speaking classes > > practice writing with blogs, email letters, newsletters, articles in > > newspapers > > make sure to keep your family happy and part of the team > > ..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 8:30 PM, Gregory E. LeBlanc < > > gleblanc <gleblanc%40turningpointonline.info>> > wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> Hello all, > >> > >> I am new to the forum and have enjoyed reading the posts, allot of > >> knowledge is connect here. > >> > >> I wanted to ask the forum what worked for people in starting and > >> marketing your business; I have recently re-located my office and I am > >> hoping for some fresh ideas on how to kick start it. > >> > >> Thank you in advance > >> > >> Greg > >> > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > "" > > > > > > www.tcmreview.com > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2010 Report Share Posted February 15, 2010 I read it a while ago. I will check it out again. Anne Anne C. Crowley, L.Ac., Dipl.Ac. www.LaPlataAcupuncture.com - " mike Bowser " <naturaldoc1 " traditional chinese medicine " <Chinese Traditional Medicine > Monday, February 15, 2010 5:20:25 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern RE: Independent Contractor Anne,  My instructor on this stuff, also an attorney, made mention many times that legal type advice should not come from an accountant but only an attorney.  Did you check out the AT article yet? Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc Chinese Medicine anne.crowley Mon, 15 Feb 2010 21:45:29 +0000 Re: Independent Contractor   Funny, my accountant told me to start this way.  He is usually pretty conservative. Thanks for your input, though, Mike. Anne Anne C. Crowley, L.Ac., Dipl.Ac. www.LaPlataAcupuncture.com - " mike Bowser " <naturaldoc1 " traditional chinese medicine " <Chinese Traditional Medicine > Monday, February 15, 2010 4:35:39 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern RE: Independent Contractor I would suggest you read the 20 pint IRS criteria for Independent contractors and then consider that they are rentors.  I was told to think of it like a barber.  They run their own business, pay their own rent and bill for their own services.  They do not pay percent, that is an associate or employee.  The IRS has stepped up invetigation and enforcement of this designation, as many businesses are trying to avoid paying taxes when they try to file this way.  Also look at Dr. Kevin McNamee DC/LAc article at Acupuncturetoday.com in their archives for an article that lays out Independent contractor vs employee and gives several criteria for each.  Please note in this article that you cannot pick and choose from each side of the columns.  Also check you state laws for fee splitting, which usually shows up in this type of discussion.  It is illegal in many states.  Let me know if you have anymore questions.  Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc   Chinese Medicine anne.crowley Mon, 15 Feb 2010 20:35:35 +0000 Re: Independent Contractor   I am about ready to hire and independent contractor.  I have been talking about it for over a year and suddenly someone presented themselves.  I didn't even advertise.  So now I have to get serious. Any advice on this would be greatly appreciated. One question comes to mind:  How do I pay them? Does the patient write the check to me, then I give a percent to the independent contractor.  or Do they write the check to him and  then he gives me a percentage? What is your typical percentage to pay them.  I am going to train them and market to get them patients. Insurance is another issue.  Neither of us are providers.  I may hire a biller to submit bills.  The bills should be submitted for us each indivdually - again can they pay me?.  If we were providers, he would need his own credientialing and so would I.  How could it fall under me and then I pay him.  I know this is confusing.  I just don't understand the language. Anne Anne C. Crowley, L.Ac., Dipl.Ac. www.LaPlataAcupuncture.com - " Marnie McCurdy " <marnieeastwestsf " Traditional " <Chinese Medicine > Friday, February 12, 2010 11:55:51 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Re: Re: Marketing   John, I admire the time you take to reply to posts. That was such a nice, comprehensive list of advice in starting a new clinic and marketing. Marnie R. McCurdy, L.Ac. East-West Integrative Medicine Clinic 605 Chenery St.  Suite C San Francisco, Ca  94131 ofc. 415.585.1990 cel. 415.987.7578 www.eastwestsf.com http://www.facebook.com/home.php?# !/pages/San-Francisco-CA/East-West-SF/259145138744?ref=ts find us on Facebook under East-West SF --- On Fri, 2/12/10, < johnkokko > wrote: < johnkokko > Re: Re: Marketing Chinese Medicine Friday, February 12, 2010, 12:03 PM Angela, I didn't say " don't take insurance " .. some people do really well with that. I think people just really come because of you, your personality, your skills, results... especially in a city where there are a lot of practitioners. Maybe we can say, " just be true to yourself and stay passionate " K On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Angela Pfaffenberger, PH.D. < angelapfa > wrote: > > > There are many types of marketing that can be successful, you need to find > what is the best match for you. > In my town someone has a hugely successful practice by being the low price > leader, it really depends on who you want to be professionally. > I recommend the opposite of John: > Advertise! > Take insurance. > Advertise that you take insurance! > > Regards, > Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. > > angelapfa <angelapfa%40comcast.net> > > www.InnerhealthSalem.com > > Phone: 503 364 3022 > > - > " " < johnkokko <johnkokko%40gmail.com>> > < Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40> > > > Friday, February 12, 2010 2:21 AM > Re: Re: Marketing > > > make your own website : www.wix.com > > business cards : on the back, leave a space for the next appointment time > > and write " we appreciate your referrals " > > rely on word-of-mouth, not passive advertising (ads etc) > > referred patients last longer than walk-ins > > specialize in something you have confidence and experience in > > location, location, location > > parking, parking, parking > > available hours (early and after work for professionals) > > do custom herbs (anyone can give pills or find pills online) > > make sure do some bodywork, people like contact > > work with other professionals (get a referral network) > > focus on the patients, not the money > > work with your community > > keep abreast on news and sports and have a sense of humor.. smile > > don't burn out... get treatments for yourself > > let the community see your face and hear your voice > > include nutrition in your treatment plan > > make sure your clinic has good feng-shui > > know how to explain how acupuncture works from both traditional/ > > bio-medical > > perspectives > > be involved in the state and national acupuncture organizations > > take classes in practical aspects of the medicine, you can use right now > > teach classes in the community: TCM schools etc. > > tell people what kind of things you can treat for them (service) > > not just that you're an acupuncturist (they only think about sharp > > needles) > > but a holistic healer > > for people who are afraid of needles, tell them you can start off with > > acupressure > > work with families... grandma, mama, kids, aunts, uncles, friends > > stay positive > > be a teacher, not a preacher > > stick to what you're good at > > have good visibility, signage at your clinic > > when things work, it's not because of us, but because of the power of the > > medicine > > remind people about their health... people forget quickly > > teach people Qi-gong during the session > > don't take too many or too long of vacations, people like consistency > > take mini-vacations and stay passionate and energetic > > wear professional but casual clothes > > don't try to do everything in one treatment > > make sure to see the patient at least once/ month, even if there's > nothing > > " wrong " > > don't push to see the patient 3 times / week if they can't afford it > > keep the rooms warm and comfortable.. 7 " heat lamp heads are better than > > 5 " > > ones > > have a fountain near the door > > make sure the bathrooms are clean and stocked > > make sure your breath doesn't stink and your finger nails are clipped > > use needles that don't create sharp pain, but make sure the patient feels > > something > > show the patient stretches and exercises they can do at home > > set up a booth at a farmer's market > > have a testimony book in the waiting room > > don't advertise yourself, advertise your clinic and what you can do for > > them > > schedule a period in the afternoon when you can enjoy your lunch and take > > > a > > nap if you need one > > take public-speaking classes > > practice writing with blogs, email letters, newsletters, articles in > > newspapers > > make sure to keep your family happy and part of the team > > ..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 8:30 PM, Gregory E. LeBlanc < > > gleblanc <gleblanc%40turningpointonline.info>> > wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> Hello all, > >> > >> I am new to the forum and have enjoyed reading the posts, allot of > >> knowledge is connect here. > >> > >> I wanted to ask the forum what worked for people in starting and > >> marketing your business; I have recently re-located my office and I am > >> hoping for some fresh ideas on how to kick start it. > >> > >> Thank you in advance > >> > >> Greg > >> > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > "" > > > > > > www.tcmreview.com > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2010 Report Share Posted February 15, 2010 If I were you, I would hire a lawyer and not use this forum for this kind of advice. Personally, I have a full-time lawyer on payroll and I use him often. I also use him to manage my businesses. I sleep well at night. Sincerely, Dr. Donald J. Snow, Jr., D.A.O.M., MPH, L.Ac. Chinese Medicine anne.crowley Mon, 15 Feb 2010 21:45:29 +0000 Re: Independent Contractor Funny, my accountant told me to start this way. He is usually pretty conservative. Thanks for your input, though, Mike. Anne Anne C. Crowley, L.Ac., Dipl.Ac. www.LaPlataAcupuncture.com - " mike Bowser " <naturaldoc1 " traditional chinese medicine " <Chinese Traditional Medicine > Monday, February 15, 2010 4:35:39 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern RE: Independent Contractor I would suggest you read the 20 pint IRS criteria for Independent contractors and then consider that they are rentors. I was told to think of it like a barber. They run their own business, pay their own rent and bill for their own services. They do not pay percent, that is an associate or employee. The IRS has stepped up invetigation and enforcement of this designation, as many businesses are trying to avoid paying taxes when they try to file this way. Also look at Dr. Kevin McNamee DC/LAc article at Acupuncturetoday.com in their archives for an article that lays out Independent contractor vs employee and gives several criteria for each. Please note in this article that you cannot pick and choose from each side of the columns. Also check you state laws for fee splitting, which usually shows up in this type of discussion. It is illegal in many states. Let me know if you have anymore questions. Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc Chinese Medicine anne.crowley Mon, 15 Feb 2010 20:35:35 +0000 Re: Independent Contractor I am about ready to hire and independent contractor. I have been talking about it for over a year and suddenly someone presented themselves. I didn't even advertise. So now I have to get serious. Any advice on this would be greatly appreciated. One question comes to mind: How do I pay them? Does the patient write the check to me, then I give a percent to the independent contractor. or Do they write the check to him and then he gives me a percentage? What is your typical percentage to pay them. I am going to train them and market to get them patients. Insurance is another issue. Neither of us are providers. I may hire a biller to submit bills. The bills should be submitted for us each indivdually - again can they pay me?. If we were providers, he would need his own credientialing and so would I. How could it fall under me and then I pay him. I know this is confusing. I just don't understand the language. Anne Anne C. Crowley, L.Ac., Dipl.Ac. www.LaPlataAcupuncture.com - " Marnie McCurdy " <marnieeastwestsf " Traditional " <Chinese Medicine > Friday, February 12, 2010 11:55:51 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Re: Re: Marketing John, I admire the time you take to reply to posts. That was such a nice, comprehensive list of advice in starting a new clinic and marketing. Marnie R. McCurdy, L.Ac. East-West Integrative Medicine Clinic 605 Chenery St. Suite C San Francisco, Ca 94131 ofc. 415.585.1990 cel. 415.987.7578 www.eastwestsf.com http://www.facebook.com/home.php?# !/pages/San-Francisco-CA/East-West-SF/259145138744?ref=ts find us on Facebook under East-West SF --- On Fri, 2/12/10, < johnkokko > wrote: < johnkokko > Re: Re: Marketing Chinese Medicine Friday, February 12, 2010, 12:03 PM Angela, I didn't say " don't take insurance " .. some people do really well with that. I think people just really come because of you, your personality, your skills, results... especially in a city where there are a lot of practitioners. Maybe we can say, " just be true to yourself and stay passionate " K On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Angela Pfaffenberger, PH.D. < angelapfa > wrote: > > > There are many types of marketing that can be successful, you need to find > what is the best match for you. > In my town someone has a hugely successful practice by being the low price > leader, it really depends on who you want to be professionally. > I recommend the opposite of John: > Advertise! > Take insurance. > Advertise that you take insurance! > > Regards, > Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. > > angelapfa <angelapfa%40comcast.net> > > www.InnerhealthSalem.com > > Phone: 503 364 3022 > > - > " " < johnkokko <johnkokko%40gmail.com>> > < Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40> > > > Friday, February 12, 2010 2:21 AM > Re: Re: Marketing > > > make your own website : www.wix.com > > business cards : on the back, leave a space for the next appointment time > > and write " we appreciate your referrals " > > rely on word-of-mouth, not passive advertising (ads etc) > > referred patients last longer than walk-ins > > specialize in something you have confidence and experience in > > location, location, location > > parking, parking, parking > > available hours (early and after work for professionals) > > do custom herbs (anyone can give pills or find pills online) > > make sure do some bodywork, people like contact > > work with other professionals (get a referral network) > > focus on the patients, not the money > > work with your community > > keep abreast on news and sports and have a sense of humor.. smile > > don't burn out... get treatments for yourself > > let the community see your face and hear your voice > > include nutrition in your treatment plan > > make sure your clinic has good feng-shui > > know how to explain how acupuncture works from both traditional/ > > bio-medical > > perspectives > > be involved in the state and national acupuncture organizations > > take classes in practical aspects of the medicine, you can use right now > > teach classes in the community: TCM schools etc. > > tell people what kind of things you can treat for them (service) > > not just that you're an acupuncturist (they only think about sharp > > needles) > > but a holistic healer > > for people who are afraid of needles, tell them you can start off with > > acupressure > > work with families... grandma, mama, kids, aunts, uncles, friends > > stay positive > > be a teacher, not a preacher > > stick to what you're good at > > have good visibility, signage at your clinic > > when things work, it's not because of us, but because of the power of the > > medicine > > remind people about their health... people forget quickly > > teach people Qi-gong during the session > > don't take too many or too long of vacations, people like consistency > > take mini-vacations and stay passionate and energetic > > wear professional but casual clothes > > don't try to do everything in one treatment > > make sure to see the patient at least once/ month, even if there's > nothing > > " wrong " > > don't push to see the patient 3 times / week if they can't afford it > > keep the rooms warm and comfortable.. 7 " heat lamp heads are better than > > 5 " > > ones > > have a fountain near the door > > make sure the bathrooms are clean and stocked > > make sure your breath doesn't stink and your finger nails are clipped > > use needles that don't create sharp pain, but make sure the patient feels > > something > > show the patient stretches and exercises they can do at home > > set up a booth at a farmer's market > > have a testimony book in the waiting room > > don't advertise yourself, advertise your clinic and what you can do for > > them > > schedule a period in the afternoon when you can enjoy your lunch and take > > > a > > nap if you need one > > take public-speaking classes > > practice writing with blogs, email letters, newsletters, articles in > > newspapers > > make sure to keep your family happy and part of the team > > ..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 8:30 PM, Gregory E. LeBlanc < > > gleblanc <gleblanc%40turningpointonline.info>> > wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> Hello all, > >> > >> I am new to the forum and have enjoyed reading the posts, allot of > >> knowledge is connect here. > >> > >> I wanted to ask the forum what worked for people in starting and > >> marketing your business; I have recently re-located my office and I am > >> hoping for some fresh ideas on how to kick start it. > >> > >> Thank you in advance > >> > >> Greg > >> > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > "" > > > > > > www.tcmreview.com > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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