Guest guest Posted March 2, 2010 Report Share Posted March 2, 2010 Hoping to get some ideas about follow up treatment on my kitty--hopefully from some of the vets on here. I wrote in December about my Kitty, Simba, who almost died from kidney failure. The cause was unknown, but some kind of poison/toxin was suspected. He is only 10 months old, so we were devasted. They were ready to put him down when I gave him a formula for kidney stones and he had a miraculous recovery. I gave him herbs all night every 2 hours. He went from sky-high kidney numbers, zero urine output for about 5 days, and barely able to breath to purring and urinating by 8 am! He is pretty much fully back to himself, but he does seem to have an increased interest in water. It reminds me of how my elderly cats have always been when they first start getting kidney failure in old age. So I'm thinking there must be some yin deficiency. So, any ideas about formulas? I am somewhat reluctant to do a kidney tonic formula because clearly the problem he had was from an excess condition. However, if I were going to use one, I wanted to know what kidney tonic formulas have been used safely in cats. Also, if you have any other ideas about formulas let me know. His young age puts him in somewhat of a different position than an elderly cat with kidney failure. However, I am sure that his kidney failure near-death experience led him to be more like them than I'd want. Also, any thoughts in food? I have 3 other cats and one is very young (under a year, like Simba), so it would be challenging to feed them a kidney formula--probably not healthy for the young ones. I'd have to give up my habit of leaving dry food out for them to share. I generally feed them canned food in the morning and evening and have dry food out during the day. Plus, I've heard that there is controversy about whether or not those low protein kidney diets are good for cats even when they have kidney failure because they are carnivores. Any thoughts/opinions? I have recently switched all my cats to a diet without any grains because I heard that they are not suppose to have grains. Thanks for any thoughts and ideas! Laura Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2010 Report Share Posted March 2, 2010 I suggest the cordyceps powder from alohamedicinals.com, I've had good results with cats with kidney failure with it. (That brand is strong because its cold-grown most aren't that potent unless you want to pay for wild grade)... Or kidney qi pill from that golden cabinet in small doses... Chinese Medicine , " heylaurag " <heylaurag wrote: > > Hoping to get some ideas about follow up treatment on my kitty--hopefully from some of the vets on here. > > I wrote in December about my Kitty, Simba, who almost died from kidney failure. The cause was unknown, but some kind of poison/toxin was suspected. He is only 10 months old, so we were devasted. They were ready to put him down when I gave him a formula for kidney stones and he had a miraculous recovery. I gave him herbs all night every 2 hours. He went from sky-high kidney numbers, zero urine output for about 5 days, and barely able to breath to purring and urinating by 8 am! > > He is pretty much fully back to himself, but he does seem to have an increased interest in water. It reminds me of how my elderly cats have always been when they first start getting kidney failure in old age. So I'm thinking there must be some yin deficiency. > > So, any ideas about formulas? I am somewhat reluctant to do a kidney tonic formula because clearly the problem he had was from an excess condition. However, if I were going to use one, I wanted to know what kidney tonic formulas have been used safely in cats. Also, if you have any other ideas about formulas let me know. His young age puts him in somewhat of a different position than an elderly cat with kidney failure. However, I am sure that his kidney failure near-death experience led him to be more like them than I'd want. > > Also, any thoughts in food? I have 3 other cats and one is very young (under a year, like Simba), so it would be challenging to feed them a kidney formula--probably not healthy for the young ones. I'd have to give up my habit of leaving dry food out for them to share. I generally feed them canned food in the morning and evening and have dry food out during the day. Plus, I've heard that there is controversy about whether or not those low protein kidney diets are good for cats even when they have kidney failure because they are carnivores. Any thoughts/opinions? I have recently switched all my cats to a diet without any grains because I heard that they are not suppose to have grains. > > Thanks for any thoughts and ideas! > > Laura > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2010 Report Share Posted March 3, 2010 I've had good results with Liu Wei Di Huang Wan. My former vet, who treated many cats, also preferred this formula and prescribed it frequently. It supports the kidneys without overheating. Good luck! Chinese Medicine , " heylaurag " <heylaurag wrote: > > Hoping to get some ideas about follow up treatment on my kitty--hopefully from some of the vets on here. > > I wrote in December about my Kitty, Simba, who almost died from kidney failure. The cause was unknown, but some kind of poison/toxin was suspected. He is only 10 months old, so we were devasted. They were ready to put him down when I gave him a formula for kidney stones and he had a miraculous recovery. I gave him herbs all night every 2 hours. He went from sky-high kidney numbers, zero urine output for about 5 days, and barely able to breath to purring and urinating by 8 am! > > He is pretty much fully back to himself, but he does seem to have an increased interest in water. It reminds me of how my elderly cats have always been when they first start getting kidney failure in old age. So I'm thinking there must be some yin deficiency. > > So, any ideas about formulas? I am somewhat reluctant to do a kidney tonic formula because clearly the problem he had was from an excess condition. However, if I were going to use one, I wanted to know what kidney tonic formulas have been used safely in cats. Also, if you have any other ideas about formulas let me know. His young age puts him in somewhat of a different position than an elderly cat with kidney failure. However, I am sure that his kidney failure near-death experience led him to be more like them than I'd want. > > Also, any thoughts in food? I have 3 other cats and one is very young (under a year, like Simba), so it would be challenging to feed them a kidney formula--probably not healthy for the young ones. I'd have to give up my habit of leaving dry food out for them to share. I generally feed them canned food in the morning and evening and have dry food out during the day. Plus, I've heard that there is controversy about whether or not those low protein kidney diets are good for cats even when they have kidney failure because they are carnivores. Any thoughts/opinions? I have recently switched all my cats to a diet without any grains because I heard that they are not suppose to have grains. > > Thanks for any thoughts and ideas! > > Laura > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2010 Report Share Posted March 3, 2010 I had good results with my own elderly cat with zuo gui and you gui daily for about 3 weeks off for a week then back on for another 3 weeks and the symptoms resolved. -- TruthSayer, L.Ac.,Dip.OM, LMFT Diplomate in Oriental Medicine(NCCAOM) Acupuncture . Herbs . Psychotherapy Transcendental Acupuncture 2275 Market Street #C San Francisco, CA 94114 820 Fifth Street # San Rafael CA 94901 415-686-1193 On Mar 2, 2010, at 12:40:12 PM, jasonwcom <jasonwcom wrote: jasonwcom <jasonwcom Re: recovering kitty March 2, 2010 12:40:12 PM PST Chinese Medicine I suggest the cordyceps powder from alohamedicinals.com, I've had good results with cats with kidney failure with it. (That brand is strong because its cold-grown most aren't that potent unless you want to pay for wild grade)... Or kidney qi pill from that golden cabinet in small doses... --- In Chinese Medicine , " heylaurag " <heylaurag wrote: > > Hoping to get some ideas about follow up treatment on my kitty--hopefully from some of the vets on here. > > I wrote in December about my Kitty, Simba, who almost died from kidney failure. The cause was unknown, but some kind of poison/toxin was suspected. He is only 10 months old, so we were devasted. They were ready to put him down when I gave him a formula for kidney stones and he had a miraculous recovery. I gave him herbs all night every 2 hours. He went from sky-high kidney numbers, zero urine output for about 5 days, and barely able to breath to purring and urinating by 8 am! > > He is pretty much fully back to himself, but he does seem to have an increased interest in water. It reminds me of how my elderly cats have always been when they first start getting kidney failure in old age. So I'm thinking there must be some yin deficiency. > > So, any ideas about formulas? I am somewhat reluctant to do a kidney tonic formula because clearly the problem he had was from an excess condition. However, if I were going to use one, I wanted to know what kidney tonic formulas have been used safely in cats. Also, if you have any other ideas about formulas let me know. His young age puts him in somewhat of a different position than an elderly cat with kidney failure. However, I am sure that his kidney failure near-death experience led him to be more like them than I'd want. > > Also, any thoughts in food? I have 3 other cats and one is very young (under a year, like Simba), so it would be challenging to feed them a kidney formula--probably not healthy for the young ones. I'd have to give up my habit of leaving dry food out for them to share. I generally feed them canned food in the morning and evening and have dry food out during the day. Plus, I've heard that there is controversy about whether or not those low protein kidney diets are good for cats even when they have kidney failure because they are carnivores. Any thoughts/opinions? I have recently switched all my cats to a diet without any grains because I heard that they are not suppose to have grains. > > Thanks for any thoughts and ideas! > > Laura > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2010 Report Share Posted March 3, 2010 Dear all. Since we are talking about cats, and since I am a vet, I would like your input about your experience of giving herbs to a cat, because they do not like it at all. Greetings to all. Jean Abraços/ Saludos/ Greetings Jean Jean G.F. Joaquim, DVM, MSc, Phd. Coordenador Científico Bioethicus ABRAVET, IVAS, NEUROLATINVET and IVAPM Member Vet. Acupuncture and Homeopathie www.bioethicus.com.br Curar, frequentemente aliviar, confortar sempre. You bring your animal. We bring the cure. tnbco <TnBco Chinese Medicine Wed, March 3, 2010 3:44:17 AM Re: Re: recovering kitty I had good results with my own elderly cat with zuo gui and you gui daily for about 3 weeks off for a week then back on for another 3 weeks and the symptoms resolved. -- TruthSayer, L.Ac.,Dip.OM, LMFT Diplomate in Oriental Medicine(NCCAOM) Acupuncture . Herbs . Psychotherapy Transcendental Acupuncture 2275 Market Street #C San Francisco, CA 94114 820 Fifth Street # San Rafael CA 94901 415-686-1193 On Mar 2, 2010, at 12:40:12 PM, jasonwcom <jasonwcom wrote: jasonwcom <jasonwcom Subject: Re: recovering kitty Date: March 2, 2010 12:40:12 PM PST Chinese Medicine I suggest the cordyceps powder from alohamedicinals.com, I've had good results with cats with kidney failure with it. (That brand is strong because its cold-grown most aren't that potent unless you want to pay for wild grade)... Or kidney qi pill from that golden cabinet in small doses... --- In Chinese Medicine , " heylaurag " <heylaurag wrote: > > Hoping to get some ideas about follow up treatment on my kitty--hopefully from some of the vets on here. > > I wrote in December about my Kitty, Simba, who almost died from kidney failure. The cause was unknown, but some kind of poison/toxin was suspected. He is only 10 months old, so we were devasted. They were ready to put him down when I gave him a formula for kidney stones and he had a miraculous recovery. I gave him herbs all night every 2 hours. He went from sky-high kidney numbers, zero urine output for about 5 days, and barely able to breath to purring and urinating by 8 am! > > He is pretty much fully back to himself, but he does seem to have an increased interest in water. It reminds me of how my elderly cats have always been when they first start getting kidney failure in old age. So I'm thinking there must be some yin deficiency. > > So, any ideas about formulas? I am somewhat reluctant to do a kidney tonic formula because clearly the problem he had was from an excess condition. However, if I were going to use one, I wanted to know what kidney tonic formulas have been used safely in cats. Also, if you have any other ideas about formulas let me know. His young age puts him in somewhat of a different position than an elderly cat with kidney failure. However, I am sure that his kidney failure near-death experience led him to be more like them than I'd want. > > Also, any thoughts in food? I have 3 other cats and one is very young (under a year, like Simba), so it would be challenging to feed them a kidney formula--probably not healthy for the young ones. I'd have to give up my habit of leaving dry food out for them to share. I generally feed them canned food in the morning and evening and have dry food out during the day. Plus, I've heard that there is controversy about whether or not those low protein kidney diets are good for cats even when they have kidney failure because they are carnivores. Any thoughts/opinions? I have recently switched all my cats to a diet without any grains because I heard that they are not suppose to have grains. > > Thanks for any thoughts and ideas! > > Laura > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2010 Report Share Posted March 3, 2010 The herbs saved my kitty's life when nothing else was working. And they did so very quickly--he was in the hospital on the edge of death from 5 days of his kidneys being completely shut down (zero urine output--not just reduced) and I gave him herbs all night and by morning he was purring and urinating and his numbers were almost normal!! Yeah, he really hated taking the herbs--and let me tell you, it was really hard to shove them down his throat when he was suffering, barely able to breath, on the edge of death. But I sure am glad I did it! Pill form is best. Laura Chinese Medicine , " Dr. Jean G. F. Joaquim " <jeanvet wrote: > > Dear all. > Since we are talking about cats, and since I am a vet, I would like your input about your experience of giving herbs to a cat, because they do not like it at all. > Greetings to all. > Jean > Abraços/ Saludos/ Greetings > Jean > > > Jean G.F. Joaquim, > DVM, MSc, Phd. > Coordenador Científico Bioethicus > ABRAVET, IVAS, NEUROLATINVET and IVAPM Member > Vet. Acupuncture and Homeopathie > www.bioethicus.com.br > Curar, frequentemente aliviar, confortar sempre. > You bring your animal. We bring the cure. > > > > > tnbco <TnBco > Chinese Medicine > Wed, March 3, 2010 3:44:17 AM > Re: Re: recovering kitty > > I had good results with my own elderly cat with zuo gui and you gui daily for about 3 weeks off for a week then back on for another 3 weeks and the symptoms resolved. > -- > > TruthSayer, L.Ac.,Dip.OM, LMFT > Diplomate in Oriental Medicine(NCCAOM) > Acupuncture . Herbs . Psychotherapy > Transcendental Acupuncture > 2275 Market Street #C San Francisco, CA 94114 > 820 Fifth Street # San Rafael CA 94901 > 415-686-1193 > > On Mar 2, 2010, at 12:40:12 PM, jasonwcom <jasonwcom wrote: > > jasonwcom <jasonwcom > Subject: Re: recovering kitty > Date: March 2, 2010 12:40:12 PM PST > Chinese Medicine > I suggest the cordyceps powder from alohamedicinals.com, I've had good results with cats with kidney failure with it. (That brand is strong because its cold-grown most aren't that potent unless you want to pay for wild grade)... > Or kidney qi pill from that golden cabinet in small doses... > > --- In Chinese Medicine , " heylaurag " <heylaurag@> wrote: > > > > Hoping to get some ideas about follow up treatment on my kitty--hopefully from some of the vets on here. > > > > I wrote in December about my Kitty, Simba, who almost died from kidney failure. The cause was unknown, but some kind of poison/toxin was suspected. He is only 10 months old, so we were devasted. They were ready to put him down when I gave him a formula for kidney stones and he had a miraculous recovery. I gave him herbs all night every 2 hours. He went from sky-high kidney numbers, zero urine output for about 5 days, and barely able to breath to purring and urinating by 8 am! > > > > He is pretty much fully back to himself, but he does seem to have an increased interest in water. It reminds me of how my elderly cats have always been when they first start getting kidney failure in old age. So I'm thinking there must be some yin deficiency. > > > > So, any ideas about formulas? I am somewhat reluctant to do a kidney tonic formula because clearly the problem he had was from an excess condition. However, if I were going to use one, I wanted to know what kidney tonic formulas have been used safely in cats. Also, if you have any other ideas about formulas let me know. His young age puts him in somewhat of a different position than an elderly cat with kidney failure. However, I am sure that his kidney failure near-death experience led him to be more like them than I'd want. > > > > Also, any thoughts in food? I have 3 other cats and one is very young (under a year, like Simba), so it would be challenging to feed them a kidney formula--probably not healthy for the young ones. I'd have to give up my habit of leaving dry food out for them to share. I generally feed them canned food in the morning and evening and have dry food out during the day. Plus, I've heard that there is controversy about whether or not those low protein kidney diets are good for cats even when they have kidney failure because they are carnivores. Any thoughts/opinions? I have recently switched all my cats to a diet without any grains because I heard that they are not suppose to have grains. > > > > Thanks for any thoughts and ideas! > > > > Laura > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2010 Report Share Posted March 4, 2010 Diseases such as e coli are excess conditions and treated as such however the toxins that cause kidney damage cause a severe kidney YANG failure ie def. thus taking kidney tonics is appropriate...Herbs like the three yellows and da huang are good during the acute phase of food poisoning, and bladder/kidney infections da huang more for si infections lower jiao yellow I forget which for bladder...Dong chong xia ciao is excellent for nephritis which is an excess condition with deficiency as the root, everything is xs/def. combined that's why there's the little dot in each side of the yin/yang. Too much bad meat by products in cat food cause kisney failure similar to some cases in humans on the Atkins diet. Chinese Medicine , " Dr. Jean G. F. Joaquim " <jeanvet wrote: > > Dear all. > Since we are talking about cats, and since I am a vet, I would like your input about your experience of giving herbs to a cat, because they do not like it at all. > Greetings to all. > Jean > Abraços/ Saludos/ Greetings > Jean > > > Jean G.F. Joaquim, > DVM, MSc, Phd. > Coordenador Científico Bioethicus > ABRAVET, IVAS, NEUROLATINVET and IVAPM Member > Vet. Acupuncture and Homeopathie > www.bioethicus.com.br > Curar, frequentemente aliviar, confortar sempre. > You bring your animal. We bring the cure. > > > > > tnbco <TnBco > Chinese Medicine > Wed, March 3, 2010 3:44:17 AM > Re: Re: recovering kitty > > I had good results with my own elderly cat with zuo gui and you gui daily for about 3 weeks off for a week then back on for another 3 weeks and the symptoms resolved. > -- > > TruthSayer, L.Ac.,Dip.OM, LMFT > Diplomate in Oriental Medicine(NCCAOM) > Acupuncture . Herbs . Psychotherapy > Transcendental Acupuncture > 2275 Market Street #C San Francisco, CA 94114 > 820 Fifth Street # San Rafael CA 94901 > 415-686-1193 > > On Mar 2, 2010, at 12:40:12 PM, jasonwcom <jasonwcom wrote: > > jasonwcom <jasonwcom > Subject: Re: recovering kitty > Date: March 2, 2010 12:40:12 PM PST > Chinese Medicine > I suggest the cordyceps powder from alohamedicinals.com, I've had good results with cats with kidney failure with it. (That brand is strong because its cold-grown most aren't that potent unless you want to pay for wild grade)... > Or kidney qi pill from that golden cabinet in small doses... > > --- In Chinese Medicine , " heylaurag " <heylaurag@> wrote: > > > > Hoping to get some ideas about follow up treatment on my kitty--hopefully from some of the vets on here. > > > > I wrote in December about my Kitty, Simba, who almost died from kidney failure. The cause was unknown, but some kind of poison/toxin was suspected. He is only 10 months old, so we were devasted. They were ready to put him down when I gave him a formula for kidney stones and he had a miraculous recovery. I gave him herbs all night every 2 hours. He went from sky-high kidney numbers, zero urine output for about 5 days, and barely able to breath to purring and urinating by 8 am! > > > > He is pretty much fully back to himself, but he does seem to have an increased interest in water. It reminds me of how my elderly cats have always been when they first start getting kidney failure in old age. So I'm thinking there must be some yin deficiency. > > > > So, any ideas about formulas? I am somewhat reluctant to do a kidney tonic formula because clearly the problem he had was from an excess condition. However, if I were going to use one, I wanted to know what kidney tonic formulas have been used safely in cats. Also, if you have any other ideas about formulas let me know. His young age puts him in somewhat of a different position than an elderly cat with kidney failure. However, I am sure that his kidney failure near-death experience led him to be more like them than I'd want. > > > > Also, any thoughts in food? I have 3 other cats and one is very young (under a year, like Simba), so it would be challenging to feed them a kidney formula--probably not healthy for the young ones. I'd have to give up my habit of leaving dry food out for them to share. I generally feed them canned food in the morning and evening and have dry food out during the day. Plus, I've heard that there is controversy about whether or not those low protein kidney diets are good for cats even when they have kidney failure because they are carnivores. Any thoughts/opinions? I have recently switched all my cats to a diet without any grains because I heard that they are not suppose to have grains. > > > > Thanks for any thoughts and ideas! > > > > Laura > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2010 Report Share Posted March 5, 2010 I have treated many cats they take the tea pills fine. Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology Chinese Medicine jeanvet Wed, 3 Mar 2010 11:02:59 -0800 Re: Re: recovering kitty Dear all. Since we are talking about cats, and since I am a vet, I would like your input about your experience of giving herbs to a cat, because they do not like it at all. Greetings to all. Jean Abraços/ Saludos/ Greetings Jean Jean G.F. Joaquim, DVM, MSc, Phd. Coordenador Científico Bioethicus ABRAVET, IVAS, NEUROLATINVET and IVAPM Member Vet. Acupuncture and Homeopathie www.bioethicus.com.br Curar, frequentemente aliviar, confortar sempre. You bring your animal. We bring the cure. tnbco <TnBco Chinese Medicine Wed, March 3, 2010 3:44:17 AM Re: Re: recovering kitty I had good results with my own elderly cat with zuo gui and you gui daily for about 3 weeks off for a week then back on for another 3 weeks and the symptoms resolved. -- TruthSayer, L.Ac.,Dip.OM, LMFT Diplomate in Oriental Medicine(NCCAOM) Acupuncture . Herbs . Psychotherapy Transcendental Acupuncture 2275 Market Street #C San Francisco, CA 94114 820 Fifth Street # San Rafael CA 94901 415-686-1193 On Mar 2, 2010, at 12:40:12 PM, jasonwcom <jasonwcom wrote: jasonwcom <jasonwcom Re: recovering kitty March 2, 2010 12:40:12 PM PST Chinese Medicine I suggest the cordyceps powder from alohamedicinals.com, I've had good results with cats with kidney failure with it. (That brand is strong because its cold-grown most aren't that potent unless you want to pay for wild grade)... Or kidney qi pill from that golden cabinet in small doses... Chinese Medicine , " heylaurag " <heylaurag wrote: > > Hoping to get some ideas about follow up treatment on my kitty--hopefully from some of the vets on here. > > I wrote in December about my Kitty, Simba, who almost died from kidney failure. The cause was unknown, but some kind of poison/toxin was suspected. He is only 10 months old, so we were devasted. They were ready to put him down when I gave him a formula for kidney stones and he had a miraculous recovery. I gave him herbs all night every 2 hours. He went from sky-high kidney numbers, zero urine output for about 5 days, and barely able to breath to purring and urinating by 8 am! > > He is pretty much fully back to himself, but he does seem to have an increased interest in water. It reminds me of how my elderly cats have always been when they first start getting kidney failure in old age. So I'm thinking there must be some yin deficiency. > > So, any ideas about formulas? I am somewhat reluctant to do a kidney tonic formula because clearly the problem he had was from an excess condition. However, if I were going to use one, I wanted to know what kidney tonic formulas have been used safely in cats. Also, if you have any other ideas about formulas let me know. His young age puts him in somewhat of a different position than an elderly cat with kidney failure. However, I am sure that his kidney failure near-death experience led him to be more like them than I'd want. > > Also, any thoughts in food? I have 3 other cats and one is very young (under a year, like Simba), so it would be challenging to feed them a kidney formula--probably not healthy for the young ones. I'd have to give up my habit of leaving dry food out for them to share. I generally feed them canned food in the morning and evening and have dry food out during the day. Plus, I've heard that there is controversy about whether or not those low protein kidney diets are good for cats even when they have kidney failure because they are carnivores. Any thoughts/opinions? I have recently switched all my cats to a diet without any grains because I heard that they are not suppose to have grains. > > Thanks for any thoughts and ideas! > > Laura > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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