Guest guest Posted March 5, 2010 Report Share Posted March 5, 2010 If you go to the CAN website, you see that May day is highlighted. Maoism was fashioned after Marxism, with many failed experiments, with drastic effects on human life, including millions of people starving from man-made famine and " enemies of the state " being exterminated for different views or just being part of the old nobility or being a scholar or monk. Why anyone would align with Communism is strange to me. Socialism is another idea altogether. K On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 1:27 AM, Mercurius Trismegistus < magisterium_magnum wrote: > > > I always considered CA to be some sort of weird communist gimmick. Alot of > my fellow students are communists. It's very popular. > If someone wants to be a communist, that's fine with me I guess. If someone > > wants to do CA, that's cool too. Doesn't bother me. I think there's a > demand for that sort of thing. > Makes the hippies feel warm and fuzzy. > > > - > " " <johnkokko <johnkokko%40gmail.com>> > To: <Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yah\ oogroups.com> > > > Thursday, March 04, 2010 8:23 AM > Re: Re: Community Acupuncture > > > Politics and Economics seem to go hand-in-hand. > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 8:09 AM, mike Bowser <naturaldoc1<naturaldoc1%40hotmail.com>> > > > wrote: > > > >> > >> Rebekah, > >> > >> > >> > >> So why not just use the model and leave along the politics? > >> > >> Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc > > > -- "" www.tcmreview.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2010 Report Share Posted March 5, 2010 hey folks, I worked with Lisa Rhodler at Portland Acupuncture Addictions Clinic back in the late 90's. We treated tons of people sitting in chairs, that was the model for CAN. I have to give Lisa credit for taking that idea, tweeking it and running with it. I think it's a good thing for people who can't afford regular Ac. However, I have never had a client who dosn't like one on one Ac better. How can one do justice to Herbs in that setting? Yes you can shotgun them, but that isn't TCM. Also, as has been mentioned cups, moxa, gua sha, Tui Na, ect. Do other people try to help folks who need long Tx by reducing $? On a more serious note I feel the CAN folks are against Insurance covering Ac and in particular HB646, which would really hurt them & Ac school clinics. Yes, there is also this political undercurrent we're hip, we're commies? How about a T-shirt, coffee mug, book? The Bottom line is if Ac is only worth $10-15,Why learn any other styles or try to broaden your training and for that matter the schools should reduce tutition. Lets work to pass HR 646! my two cents Steve !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2010 Report Share Posted March 5, 2010 When i see people wear Mao shirts, like they sell in Venice beach, I feel really sad that history was not taught better in school. Both Mao and Stalin starved millions of people in failed government agriculture policies. That's what happens when one force gets too much power. No checks and balances. Why would anyone want to align with Communism in this day and age? Here's a little wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong Along with Land reform <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_reform#Asia>, during which significant numbers of landlords<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landlord>were beaten to death at mass meetings organized by the CPC <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_China> as land was taken from them and given to poorer peasants,[26]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong#cite_note-land_reform_kill\ ings-25>there was also the Campaign to Suppress Counterrevolutionaries<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campaign_to_Suppress_Counter\ revolutionaries> ,[27] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong#cite_note-Yang_Kuisong-26>which involved public executions targeting mainly former Kuomintang officials, businessmen accused of " disturbing " the market, former employees of Western companies and intellectuals whose loyalty was suspect.[28]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong#cite_note-27>The U.S. State department<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_State>in 1976 estimated that there may have been a million killed in the land reform, 800,000 killed in the counterrevolutionary campaign.[29]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong#cite_note-28> Mao himself claimed that a total of 700,000 people were executed during the years 1949–53.[30] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong#cite_note-29>However, because there was a policy to select " at least one landlord, and usually several, in virtually every village for public execution " ,[31]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong#cite_note-Cambridge_hist\ ory_of_China-30>the number of deaths range between 2 million [31]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong#cite_note-Cambridge_history_of_Chin\ a-30> [32] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong#cite_note-31> and 5 million.[ 33] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong#cite_note-32>[34]<http://en.wikipedia.o\ rg/wiki/Mao_Zedong#cite_note-33>In addition, at least 1.5 million people, [35] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong#cite_note-Philip_Short-34>perhaps as many as 4 to 6 million, [36] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong#cite_note-Valentino-35> were sent to " reform through labour " <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laogai> camps where many perished.[36]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong#cite_note-Valentino-35>Mao played a personal role in organizing the mass repressions and established a system of execution quotas,[37]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong#cite_note-36>which were often exceeded. [27] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong#cite_note-Yang_Kuisong-26>Nevertheless he defended these killings as necessary for the securing of power.[38] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong#cite_note-37> Starting in 1951, Mao initiated two successive movements in an effort to rid urban areas of corruption by targeting wealthy capitalists<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalists>and political opponents, known as the three-anti/five-anti campaigns <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-anti/five-anti_campaigns>. A climate of raw terror developed as workers denounced their bosses, wives turned on their husbands, and children informed on their parents; the victims often being humiliated at struggle sessions<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Struggle_Session>, a method designed to intimidate and terrify people to the maximum. Mao insisted that minor offenders be criticized and reformed or sent to labor camps, * " while the worst among them should be shot. " * These campaigns took several hundred thousand additional lives, the vast majority via suicide<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide> ..[39] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong#cite_note-38> In Shanghai <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai>, people jumping to their deaths became so commonplace that residents avoided walking on the pavement near skyscrapers for fear that suicides might land on them.[40]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong#cite_note-39>Some biographers have pointed out that driving those perceived as enemies to suicide was a common tactic during the Mao-era. For example, in his biography of Mao, Philip Short <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Short>notes that in the Yan'an Rectification Movement<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yan%27an_Rectification_Movement>, Mao gave explicit instructions that * " no cadre is to be killed, " * but in practice allowed security chief Kang Sheng<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kang_Sheng>to drive opponents to suicide and that " this pattern was repeated throughout his leadership of the People's Republic. " [41]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong#cite_note-40> In January 1958, Mao Zedong launched the second Five-Year Plan known as the *Great Leap Forward*, a plan intended as an alternative model for economic growth to the Soviet model focusing on heavy industry that was advocated by others in the party. Under this economic program, the relatively small agricultural collectives which had been formed to date were rapidly merged into far larger people's communes<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_communes>, and many of the peasants ordered to work on massive infrastructure projects and the small-scale production of iron and steel. Some private food production was banned; livestock and farm implements were brought under collective ownership. Under the Great Leap Forward, Mao and other party leaders ordered the implementation of a variety of unproven and unscientific new agricultural techniques by the new communes. Combined with the diversion of labor to steel production and infrastructure projects and the reduced personal incentives under a commune system this led to an approximately 15% drop in grain production in 1959 followed by further 10% reduction in 1960 and no recovery in 1961 (Spence, 553). In an effort to win favor with their superiors and avoid being purged, each layer in the party hierarchy exaggerated the amount of grain produced under them and based on the fabricated success, party cadres were ordered to requisition a disproportionately high amount of the true harvest for state use primarily in the cities and urban areas but also for export. The net result, which was compounded in some areas by drought and in others by floods, was that the rural peasants were not left enough to eat and many millions starved to death in the largest famine<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famine>in human history <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_history>. This famine was a direct cause of the death of tens of millions of Chinese peasants between 1959 and 1962. Further, many children who became emaciated and malnourished during years of hardship and struggle for survival, died shortly after the Great Leap Forward came to an end in 1962 (Spence, 553). K On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 7:23 PM, snydez99 <snydez99 wrote: > > > hey folks, I worked with Lisa Rhodler at Portland Acupuncture Addictions > Clinic back in the late 90's. We treated tons of people > sitting in chairs, that was the model for CAN. I have to give Lisa > credit for taking that idea, tweeking it and running with it. > I think it's a good thing for people who can't afford regular Ac. > However, I have never had a client who dosn't like one on one Ac better. > How can one do justice to Herbs in that setting? Yes you can shotgun them, > but that isn't TCM. Also, as has been mentioned cups, moxa, gua sha, Tui Na, > ect. Do other people try to help folks who need long Tx by reducing $? > On a more serious note I feel the CAN folks are against Insurance covering > Ac and in particular HB646, which would really hurt them & Ac school > clinics. Yes, there is also this political undercurrent we're hip, we're > commies? How about a T-shirt, coffee mug, book? > The Bottom line is if Ac is only worth $10-15,Why learn any other styles or > try to broaden your training and for that matter the schools should reduce > tutition. Lets work to pass HR 646! > > my two cents Steve > !! > > > -- "" www.tcmreview.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2010 Report Share Posted March 5, 2010 John - When I see colleagues indulging in this sort of incoherent ad hominem attack I feel really sad. Your inference that CAN and its members are aligned with acts of genocide is insulting, ridiculous and woefully uninformed. You began this absurd diatribe today on another thread about Community Acupuncture by stating: On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 7:36 PM, <johnkokko wrote: > If you go to the CAN website, you see that May day is highlighted. > Maoism was fashioned after Marxism, with many failed experiments, > with drastic effects on human life, including millions of people starving > from man-made famine > and " enemies of the state " being exterminated for different views or just > being part of the old nobility > or being a scholar or monk. Why anyone would align with Communism is > strange to me. > Socialism is another idea altogether. Well, at least you are correct in stating that May Day is highlighted on the CAN website. But it's quite a jump to go from an organization offering free acupuncture on May 1 to implying that said organization is aligned with Communism and horrific acts of genocide. You make this astounding leap by implying a bizarre connection between the CAN site and Mao. I just checked out the site and failed to see any mention of Mao, Marx or Stalin or their policies or any images pertaining to them. This level of dishonesty is breathtaking, but right on par with equating May Day only with acts of genocide. May Day festivals originated thousands of years ago to commemorate the beginning of spring in northern Europe and later evolved into springtime fertility festivals and Christian celebrations of the Virgin Mary. The political aspects of May Day, which began early in the last century, had to do with working people protesting what they felt were unfair labor practices. To this day, May Day is celebrated in over eighty countries including such genocidal communist bastions as Canada, France, Costa Rica, Iceland and the United States. Here's a little wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_Day BTW I am a member of CAN, but I would have been compelled to comment on this in any case. <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_Day>Oh yeah, you're also correct in stating that socialism is another idea altogether. Good call. Kim Blankenship On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 10:24 PM, <johnkokko wrote: > When i see people wear Mao shirts, like they sell in Venice beach, > I feel really sad that history was not taught better in school. > Both Mao and Stalin starved millions of people in failed government > agriculture policies. > That's what happens when one force gets too much power. > No checks and balances. Why would anyone want to align with Communism in > this day and age? > > Here's a little wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong > > Along with Land reform <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_reform#Asia>, > during which significant numbers of > landlords<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landlord>were beaten to death > at mass meetings organized by the > CPC <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_China> as land was > taken from them and given to poorer > peasants,[26]< > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong#cite_note-land_reform_killings-25 > >there > was also the Campaign > to Suppress Counterrevolutionaries< > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campaign_to_Suppress_Counterrevolutionaries> > ,[27] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong#cite_note-Yang_Kuisong-26 > >which > involved public executions targeting mainly former Kuomintang > officials, businessmen accused of " disturbing " the market, former employees > of Western companies and intellectuals whose loyalty was > suspect.[28]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong#cite_note-27>The > U.S. > State department< > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_State>in > 1976 estimated that there may have been a million killed in the land > reform, 800,000 killed in the counterrevolutionary > campaign.[29]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong#cite_note-28> > > Mao himself claimed that a total of 700,000 people were executed during the > years 1949–53.[30] > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong#cite_note-29>However, because > there was a policy to select " at least one landlord, and > usually several, in virtually every village for public > execution " ,[31]< > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong#cite_note-Cambridge_history_of_China-30 > >the > number of deaths range between 2 million > [31]< > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong#cite_note-Cambridge_history_of_China-30 > > > [32] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong#cite_note-31> and 5 > million.[ > 33] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong#cite_note-32>[34]< > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong#cite_note-33>In > addition, at least 1.5 million people, > [35] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong#cite_note-Philip_Short-34 > >perhaps > as many as 4 to 6 million, > [36] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong#cite_note-Valentino-35> were > sent to " reform through labour " <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laogai> > camps > where many perished.[36]< > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong#cite_note-Valentino-35>Mao > played a personal role in organizing the mass repressions and > established a system of execution > quotas,[37]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong#cite_note-36>which > were often exceeded. > [27] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong#cite_note-Yang_Kuisong-26 > >Nevertheless > he defended these killings as necessary for the securing of > power.[38] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong#cite_note-37> > > Starting in 1951, Mao initiated two successive movements in an effort to > rid > urban areas of corruption by targeting wealthy > capitalists<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalists>and political > opponents, known as the three-anti/five-anti > campaigns <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-anti/five-anti_campaigns>. A > climate of raw terror developed as workers denounced their bosses, wives > turned on their husbands, and children informed on their parents; the > victims often being humiliated at struggle > sessions<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Struggle_Session>, > a method designed to intimidate and terrify people to the maximum. Mao > insisted that minor offenders be criticized and reformed or sent to labor > camps, * " while the worst among them should be shot. " * These campaigns took > several hundred thousand additional lives, the vast majority via > suicide<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide> > .[39] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong#cite_note-38> > > In Shanghai <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai>, people jumping to > their > deaths became so commonplace that residents avoided walking on the pavement > near skyscrapers for fear that suicides might land on > them.[40]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong#cite_note-39>Some > biographers have pointed out that driving those perceived as enemies > to > suicide was a common tactic during the Mao-era. For example, in his > biography of Mao, Philip Short > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Short>notes that in the Yan'an > Rectification Movement< > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yan%27an_Rectification_Movement>, > Mao gave explicit instructions that * " no cadre is to be killed, " * but in > practice allowed security chief Kang > Sheng<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kang_Sheng>to drive opponents to > suicide and that " this pattern was repeated throughout > his leadership of the People's > Republic. " [41]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong#cite_note-40> > > In January 1958, Mao Zedong launched the second Five-Year Plan known as the > *Great Leap Forward*, a plan intended as an alternative model for economic > growth to the Soviet model focusing on heavy industry that was advocated by > others in the party. Under this economic program, the relatively small > agricultural collectives which had been formed to date were rapidly merged > into far larger people's > communes<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_communes>, > and many of the peasants ordered to work on massive infrastructure projects > and the small-scale production of iron and steel. Some private food > production was banned; livestock and farm implements were brought under > collective ownership. > > Under the Great Leap Forward, Mao and other party leaders ordered the > implementation of a variety of unproven and unscientific new agricultural > techniques by the new communes. Combined with the diversion of labor to > steel production and infrastructure projects and the reduced personal > incentives under a commune system this led to an approximately 15% drop in > grain production in 1959 followed by further 10% reduction in 1960 and no > recovery in 1961 (Spence, 553). > > In an effort to win favor with their superiors and avoid being purged, each > layer in the party hierarchy exaggerated the amount of grain produced under > them and based on the fabricated success, party cadres were ordered to > requisition a disproportionately high amount of the true harvest for state > use primarily in the cities and urban areas but also for export. The net > result, which was compounded in some areas by drought and in others by > floods, was that the rural peasants were not left enough to eat and many > millions starved to death in the largest > famine<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famine>in human > history <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_history>. This famine was a > direct cause of the death of tens of millions of Chinese peasants between > 1959 and 1962. Further, many children who became emaciated and malnourished > during years of hardship and struggle for survival, died shortly after the > Great Leap Forward came to an end in 1962 (Spence, 553). > > > K > > > > On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 7:23 PM, snydez99 <snydez99 wrote: > > > > > > > hey folks, I worked with Lisa Rhodler at Portland Acupuncture Addictions > > Clinic back in the late 90's. We treated tons of people > > sitting in chairs, that was the model for CAN. I have to give Lisa > > credit for taking that idea, tweeking it and running with it. > > I think it's a good thing for people who can't afford regular Ac. > > However, I have never had a client who dosn't like one on one Ac better. > > How can one do justice to Herbs in that setting? Yes you can shotgun > them, > > but that isn't TCM. Also, as has been mentioned cups, moxa, gua sha, Tui > Na, > > ect. Do other people try to help folks who need long Tx by reducing $? > > On a more serious note I feel the CAN folks are against Insurance > covering > > Ac and in particular HB646, which would really hurt them & Ac school > > clinics. Yes, there is also this political undercurrent we're hip, we're > > commies? How about a T-shirt, coffee mug, book? > > The Bottom line is if Ac is only worth $10-15,Why learn any other styles > or > > try to broaden your training and for that matter the schools should > reduce > > tutition. Lets work to pass HR 646! > > > > my two cents Steve > > !! > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > "" > > > www.tcmreview.com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2010 Report Share Posted March 5, 2010 Kim, just because a group has the iconography and rhetoric and observes International May Day http://www.marxists.org/subject/mayday/articles/tracht.html doesn't mean that the Community Acupuncture Network is a communist oriented organization. It just really looks like one for people on the outside. That's just being honest. http://www.workingclassacupuncture.org/ Slogans such as " Welcome comrades " " WCA propaganda " " the little red book " on the website are not words spoken to Capitalists. Actually, it was my mistake to not differentiate the WCA from CAN. I apologize for that... I see a lot of Working Class Acupuncture (mothership clinic) " propaganda " and make the connection with CAN. I should have made the distinction between the founding clinic and the network website. I have friends who are CAN members and know that they have great values, which I respect very much. I'm definitely not saying that people who use historically Communist slogans or icons have anything personally to do with the tragedies of the 20th century, don't get me wrong. What I'm pointing out is that when we use certain kinds of symbols, iconography and rhetoric, we do align our professional networks with the history of movements. For me, historical Communism is not one that I personally would want to align with, hence the addition of the wiki info on Mao (not saying that the WCA likes Mao's ideas, except that it's interesting that Lisa's book, " Acupuncture is like Noodles " , is said to be a reincarnation of " the little red book " for community acupuncture clinics). Of course, Mao is famous for his own " little red book " , which I have a copy of somewhere, because my dad got one as a souvenir in Vietnam in the 70s. Acupuncture is Like Noodles: the Little Red (Cook) Book of Working Class Acupuncture Submitted by wcaadmin on Thu, 06/05/2008 - 22:21. - Books and Videos<http://www.workingclassacupuncture.org/catalog/2/books_and_videos> [image: Acupuncture is Like Noodles] Acupuncture is Like Noodles $25.00 This book explains not only how acupuncture works, but how community acupuncture clinics work. The reincarnation of WCA’s original “Little Red Book”, Acupuncture Is Like Noodles is written for patients, acupuncture students and prospective acupuncture students, licensed acupuncturists, other medical providers, and anyone else who is curious about the “calmest Revolution ever staged.” Acupuncture Is Like Noodles is available at wholesale rates to booksellers and to community acupuncture clinics who wish to use it as a fundraiser. If you are interested in a wholesale order (more than 5 books) please send an email to acunoodles <http://us.mc01g.mail./mc/compose?to=acunoodles >to inquire or to place an order, otherwise please order here in the online store. Printed on recycled paper, 100% post-consumer content, Ancient Forest Friendly and FSC certified. Price: $25.00 I actually like the idea of community acupuncture, which is really a lot what seems to be practiced in China today. It's more about the marketing and divisive nature of the political movement that people have an issue with. Hope this is clear. I don't mean to make any ad hominem remarks about you or your personal beliefs. We're all in this together. K The Remedy: Integrating Acupuncture into American Health Care Submitted by wcaadmin on Wed, 05/21/2008 - 19:25. - Books and Videos<http://www.workingclassacupuncture.org/catalog/2/books_and_videos> [image: The Remedy: Integrating Acupuncture into American Health Care] The Remedy: Integrating Acupuncture into American Health Care $15.00 The " manifesto " that we operate by is captured in Lisa Rohleder’s book, “The Remedy: Integrating Acupuncture into American Health Care”, of which this was said: " Heart, hands, and head. Lisa Rohleder's new book, The Remedy: Integrating Acupuncture into American Health Care, offers the perfect blend of passion, practicality, and cogent argument. This book is essential for anyone who wants to see a better, simpler, and more powerful way of practicing and receiving this ancient 'peasant medicine.' In a few simple pages, Rohleder offers a commanding vision that can transform, not only American health care, but our broader society as well. Her book threatens the status quo, our stubborn classist notions, and unchallenged assumptions about what is important to the practice of health care. Read this book if you wish to see how it can all be made to work, for a change! " --Michael R. McCoy, Ph.D., Former Executive Director, Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine Alliance On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 12:44 AM, Kim Blankenship <kuangguiyuwrote: > John - > > When I see colleagues indulging in this sort of incoherent ad hominem > attack > I feel really sad. Your inference that CAN and its members are aligned > with > acts of genocide is insulting, ridiculous and woefully uninformed. > > You began this absurd diatribe today on another thread about Community > Acupuncture by stating: > > On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 7:36 PM, <johnkokko wrote: > > > If you go to the CAN website, you see that May day is highlighted. > > Maoism was fashioned after Marxism, with many failed experiments, > > with drastic effects on human life, including millions of people starving > > from man-made famine > > and " enemies of the state " being exterminated for different views or just > > being part of the old nobility > > or being a scholar or monk. Why anyone would align with Communism is > > strange to me. > > Socialism is another idea altogether. > > > Well, at least you are correct in stating that May Day is highlighted on > the > CAN website. But it's quite a jump to go from an organization offering > free > acupuncture on May 1 to implying that said organization is aligned with > Communism and horrific acts of genocide. You make this astounding leap by > implying a bizarre connection between the CAN site and Mao. I just checked > out the site and failed to see any mention of Mao, Marx or Stalin or their > policies or any images pertaining to them. > > This level of dishonesty is breathtaking, but right on par with equating > May > Day only with acts of genocide. May Day festivals originated thousands of > years ago to commemorate the beginning of spring in northern Europe and > later evolved into springtime fertility festivals and Christian > celebrations > of the Virgin Mary. The political aspects of May Day, which began early in > the last century, had to do with working people protesting what they felt > were unfair labor practices. To this day, May Day is celebrated in over > eighty countries including such genocidal communist bastions as Canada, > France, Costa Rica, Iceland and the United States. > > Here's a little wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_Day > > BTW I am a member of CAN, but I would have been compelled to comment on > this > in any case. > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_Day>Oh yeah, you're also correct in > stating that socialism is another idea altogether. Good call. > > Kim Blankenship > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2010 Report Share Posted March 5, 2010 hey John, fyi, The CAN May Day celebration is a celebration of International Worker's Day, a people's day. CAN's logo is an artistic rendition of Rosie the Riveter (a worker). Casting CANner's as communists is an easy out. Next you'll find a reason to call us Nazis. (Godwin) Chinese Medicine , <johnkokko wrote: > > If you go to the CAN website, you see that May day is highlighted. > Maoism was fashioned after Marxism, with many failed experiments, > with drastic effects on human life, including millions of people starving > from man-made famine > and " enemies of the state " being exterminated for different views or just > being part of the old nobility > or being a scholar or monk. Why anyone would align with Communism is > strange to me. > Socialism is another idea altogether. > > K > > > > On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 1:27 AM, Mercurius Trismegistus < > magisterium_magnum wrote: > > > > > > > I always considered CA to be some sort of weird communist gimmick. Alot of > > my fellow students are communists. It's very popular. > > If someone wants to be a communist, that's fine with me I guess. If someone > > > > wants to do CA, that's cool too. Doesn't bother me. I think there's a > > demand for that sort of thing. > > Makes the hippies feel warm and fuzzy. > > > > > > - > > " " <johnkokko <johnkokko%40gmail.com>> > > To: <Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yah\ oogroups.com> > > > > > Thursday, March 04, 2010 8:23 AM > > Re: Re: Community Acupuncture > > > > > Politics and Economics seem to go hand-in-hand. > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 8:09 AM, mike Bowser <naturaldoc1<naturaldoc1%40hotmail.com>> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > >> > > >> Rebekah, > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> So why not just use the model and leave along the politics? > > >> > > >> Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > "" > > > www.tcmreview.com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2010 Report Share Posted March 5, 2010 My cat's name is " Mao. " He is not named after anyone, and his name is not meant to indicate any agreement with, glorification of, or respect for any historical figures; nor does my cat's name indicate anything about my personal beliefs or political leanings. My cat's name is in no way intended to educate, inspire or offend. I believe " Mao " is a reasonable romanization of the Chinese word for " Cat. " Additionally, when you ask my cat his name, he responds appropriately. With joy in my Heart I acknowledge the connection of Spring/Wood/Anger. Mark Zaranski Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2010 Report Share Posted March 5, 2010 The WCA website has a red fist raised as its logo. What is this symbolic of? I don't have any personal vendetta against CAN. I think community acupuncture is filling a need in society and is gaining momentum. But, to deny that the rhetoric and iconography of the WCA website is not emblematic of Communist " propaganda " of the past and present would be inconsistent. Since CAN has been involved with acupuncture policy lately and has a strong voice politically, I think it is worthwhile to clarify if the network aligns with any historical political movement and its tenets. www.workingclassacupuncture.org Another question is ... isn't the roots of 20th century TCM maintained by the Communist party? It doesn't mean that TCM is ethically deviant at all. We're all healers, who are dedicating our lives to help those who are suffering and we're doing our best, at $20/ treatment or $100/ treatment. Is charging over $40 / treatment classist? That's the impression many get from the CAN network. K On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 6:47 AM, < wrote: > > > hey John, fyi, > > The CAN May Day celebration is a celebration of International Worker's Day, > a people's day. CAN's logo is an artistic rendition of Rosie the Riveter (a > worker). > > Casting CANner's as communists is an easy out. Next you'll find a reason to > call us Nazis. (Godwin) > > > --- In Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com>, > <johnkokko wrote: > > > > If you go to the CAN website, you see that May day is highlighted. > > Maoism was fashioned after Marxism, with many failed experiments, > > with drastic effects on human life, including millions of people starving > > from man-made famine > > and " enemies of the state " being exterminated for different views or just > > being part of the old nobility > > or being a scholar or monk. Why anyone would align with Communism is > > strange to me. > > Socialism is another idea altogether. > > > > K > > > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 1:27 AM, Mercurius Trismegistus < > > magisterium_magnum wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I always considered CA to be some sort of weird communist gimmick. Alot > of > > > my fellow students are communists. It's very popular. > > > If someone wants to be a communist, that's fine with me I guess. If > someone > > > > > > wants to do CA, that's cool too. Doesn't bother me. I think there's a > > > demand for that sort of thing. > > > Makes the hippies feel warm and fuzzy. > > > > > > > > > - > > > " " <johnkokko <johnkokko%40gmail.com>> > > > To: <Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yah\ oogroups.com> > <Chinese Medicine%40> > > > > > > > Thursday, March 04, 2010 8:23 AM > > > Re: Re: Community Acupuncture > > > > > > > Politics and Economics seem to go hand-in-hand. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 8:09 AM, mike Bowser <naturaldoc1@ > ...<naturaldoc1%40hotmail.com>> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> > > > >> Rebekah, > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> So why not just use the model and leave along the politics? > > > >> > > > >> Michael W. Bowser, DC, LAc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > "" > > > > > > www.tcmreview.com > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2010 Report Share Posted March 5, 2010 Mark, if you had a mouse for your cat.... you could call him " Mickey Mao " . Yes... it's springtime and metal tiger year. Bless y'all. K On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 1:32 PM, zedbowls <zaranski wrote: > > > My cat's name is " Mao. " > > He is not named after anyone, and his name is not meant to indicate any > agreement with, glorification of, or respect for any historical figures; nor > does my cat's name indicate anything about my personal beliefs or political > leanings. My cat's name is in no way intended to educate, inspire or offend. > > I believe " Mao " is a reasonable romanization of the Chinese word for " Cat. " > > Additionally, when you ask my cat his name, he responds appropriately. > > With joy in my Heart I acknowledge the connection of Spring/Wood/Anger. > Mark Zaranski > > > -- "" www.tcmreview.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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