Guest guest Posted March 12, 2010 Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 Hi, I have a new patient who told me that she stopped smoking with acupuncture. The practitioner put in a lot of needles near lie que LU7, and hooked them up to some kind of machine. After that, whenever the patient was near cigarettes or smoke they were nauseous, and she never smoked again. One treatment! Has anyone ever heard of this? Any information appreciated. Lynne Ozone, R. Ac,(BC, Canada) Dipl. O.M. (US) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2010 Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 There's the addiction extra point between Lung 7 and LI 5. Don't know about the machine though. K On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 8:03 PM, lynno.ozone <lynno.ozone wrote: > > > Hi, I have a new patient who told me that she stopped smoking with > acupuncture. The practitioner put in a lot of needles near lie que LU7, and > hooked them up to some kind of machine. After that, whenever the patient was > near cigarettes or smoke they were nauseous, and she never smoked again. One > treatment! Has anyone ever heard of this? Any information appreciated. > Lynne Ozone, R. Ac,(BC, Canada) Dipl. O.M. (US) > > > -- "" www.tcmreview.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2010 Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 E-stim Chocalate Pt (between Lu 7 and Li 5) and ESM and Li4 and Lung pt in ear for 40 minutes, plus other pts likeh Nada protocal or some use Zero Point for total of 5 needles in one ear and seeds on the other side. Two treatments the first week, follow up with one a week X 2. Herbs from Pacific Biologics caled Tobacco Off and Jitters Away (I get from Golden Needle) and Tobacco (homeopathic from Apex Energetics) or herb for lung yin and liver stag from Seven Forrests ( I think lilly 14 and ardemesia 17) Patient has to be extremely motivated to quit. Herbs really help --- On Fri, 3/12/10, <johnkokko wrote: <johnkokko Re: stop smoking treatment Chinese Medicine Friday, March 12, 2010, 4:17 AM There's the addiction extra point between Lung 7 and LI 5. Don't know about the machine though. K On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 8:03 PM, lynno.ozone <lynno.ozone wrote: > > > Hi, I have a new patient who told me that she stopped smoking with > acupuncture. The practitioner put in a lot of needles near lie que LU7, and > hooked them up to some kind of machine. After that, whenever the patient was > near cigarettes or smoke they were nauseous, and she never smoked again. One > treatment! Has anyone ever heard of this? Any information appreciated. > Lynne Ozone, R. Ac,(BC, Canada) Dipl. O.M. (US) > > > -- "" www.tcmreview.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2010 Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 Kokko, from what book/teacher did you originally learn of the addiction extra point? Would love to see a more precise diagram of it....thnx! -e Sent from my iPhone On Mar 12, 2010, at 1:17 AM, <johnkokko wrote: > There's the addiction extra point between Lung 7 and LI 5. > Don't know about the machine though. > > K > > > > On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 8:03 PM, lynno.ozone <lynno.ozone > wrote: > >> >> >> Hi, I have a new patient who told me that she stopped smoking with >> acupuncture. The practitioner put in a lot of needles near lie que >> LU7, and >> hooked them up to some kind of machine. After that, whenever the >> patient was >> near cigarettes or smoke they were nauseous, and she never smoked >> again. One >> treatment! Has anyone ever heard of this? Any information >> appreciated. >> Lynne Ozone, R. Ac,(BC, Canada) Dipl. O.M. (US) >> >> >> > > > > -- > > > "" > > > www.tcmreview.com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2010 Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 People vary widely when it comes to smoking cessation; I have had clients myself who had the same miraculous results, but it's not representative. I stick to TCM in smoking cessation, I find that either Liv excess/stag or upper jiao yin deficiency predominates, other patters are possible, of course, and treat accordingly. The Liv stag people have the better response, esp. if you give them heavy duty herbs. Regards, Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. angelapfa www.InnerhealthSalem.com Phone: 503 364 3022 - " " <johnkokko <Chinese Medicine > Friday, March 12, 2010 1:17 AM Re: stop smoking treatment > There's the addiction extra point between Lung 7 and LI 5. > Don't know about the machine though. > > K > > > > On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 8:03 PM, lynno.ozone <lynno.ozone > wrote: > >> >> >> Hi, I have a new patient who told me that she stopped smoking with >> acupuncture. The practitioner put in a lot of needles near lie que LU7, >> and >> hooked them up to some kind of machine. After that, whenever the patient >> was >> near cigarettes or smoke they were nauseous, and she never smoked again. >> One >> treatment! Has anyone ever heard of this? Any information appreciated. >> Lynne Ozone, R. Ac,(BC, Canada) Dipl. O.M. (US) >> >> >> > > > > -- > > > "" > > > www.tcmreview.com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2010 Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 Edith, Hmm... I think it was this book by Ralph Alan Dale... it's been a long time. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Acupuncture-Function-Ralph-Alan-Dale/dp/1877589128/ref=s\ r_1_23?ie=UTF8 & s=books & qid=1268428141 & sr=1-23 The book is probably out of print. I remember checking it out at the ACTCM library when we were still in the nest. Also, I learned it from working with drug detox patients at the ACTCM community ear clinic/ NADA class. Anyone else know where to read up on the " addiction " / " chocolate " point? K On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 11:46 AM, Edith Chan, L.Ac. <chineseherbswrote: > > > Kokko, from what book/teacher did you originally learn of the > addiction extra point? Would love to see a more precise diagram of > it....thnx! -e > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Mar 12, 2010, at 1:17 AM, <johnkokko<johnkokko%40gmail.com>> > wrote: > > > There's the addiction extra point between Lung 7 and LI 5. > > Don't know about the machine though. > > > > K > > > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 8:03 PM, lynno.ozone <lynno.ozone<lynno.ozone%40gmail.com>> > > > wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> Hi, I have a new patient who told me that she stopped smoking with > >> acupuncture. The practitioner put in a lot of needles near lie que > >> LU7, and > >> hooked them up to some kind of machine. After that, whenever the > >> patient was > >> near cigarettes or smoke they were nauseous, and she never smoked > >> again. One > >> treatment! Has anyone ever heard of this? Any information > >> appreciated. > >> Lynne Ozone, R. Ac,(BC, Canada) Dipl. O.M. (US) > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > "" > > > > > > www.tcmreview.com > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2010 Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 check out this link http://www.yinyanghouse.com/acupuncturepoints/x-timmee Regards, Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. angelapfa www.InnerhealthSalem.com Phone: 503 364 3022 - " " <johnkokko <Chinese Medicine > Friday, March 12, 2010 1:13 PM Re: stop smoking treatment > Edith, > Hmm... I think it was this book by Ralph Alan Dale... it's been a long > time. > http://www.amazon.co.uk/Acupuncture-Function-Ralph-Alan-Dale/dp/1877589128/ref=s\ r_1_23?ie=UTF8 & s=books & qid=1268428141 & sr=1-23 > The book is probably out of print. I remember checking it out at the > ACTCM > library when we were still in the nest. > Also, I learned it from working with drug detox patients at the ACTCM > community ear clinic/ NADA class. > > Anyone else know where to read up on the " addiction " / " chocolate " point? > > K > > > > On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 11:46 AM, Edith Chan, L.Ac. > <chineseherbswrote: > >> >> >> Kokko, from what book/teacher did you originally learn of the >> addiction extra point? Would love to see a more precise diagram of >> it....thnx! -e >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> On Mar 12, 2010, at 1:17 AM, >> <johnkokko<johnkokko%40gmail.com>> >> wrote: >> >> > There's the addiction extra point between Lung 7 and LI 5. >> > Don't know about the machine though. >> > >> > K >> > >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 8:03 PM, lynno.ozone >> > <lynno.ozone<lynno.ozone%40gmail.com>> >> >> > wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi, I have a new patient who told me that she stopped smoking with >> >> acupuncture. The practitioner put in a lot of needles near lie que >> >> LU7, and >> >> hooked them up to some kind of machine. After that, whenever the >> >> patient was >> >> near cigarettes or smoke they were nauseous, and she never smoked >> >> again. One >> >> treatment! Has anyone ever heard of this? Any information >> >> appreciated. >> >> Lynne Ozone, R. Ac,(BC, Canada) Dipl. O.M. (US) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > >> > >> > "" >> > >> > >> > www.tcmreview.com >> > >> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2010 Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 I tried this with not much success. Though I was new and probably not doing it right. I have had success just using Lu 9 and Li 5 along with the NADA protacol and constitutional treatments. --- On Fri, 3/12/10, Angela Pfaffenberger, PH.D. <angelapfa wrote: Angela Pfaffenberger, PH.D. <angelapfa Re: stop smoking treatment Chinese Medicine Friday, March 12, 2010, 1:34 PM Â check out this link http://www.yinyangh ouse.com/ acupuncturepoint s/x-timmee Regards, Angela Pfaffenberger, Ph.D. angelapfa (AT) comcast (DOT) net www.InnerhealthSale m.com Phone: 503 364 3022 - " " <johnkokko (AT) gmail (DOT) com> <Traditional_ Chinese_Medicine > Friday, March 12, 2010 1:13 PM Re: stop smoking treatment > Edith, > Hmm... I think it was this book by Ralph Alan Dale... it's been a long > time. > http://www.amazon. co.uk/Acupunctur e-Function- Ralph-Alan- Dale/dp/18775891 28/ref=sr_ 1_23?ie=UTF8 & s=books & qid= 1268428141 & sr=1-23 > The book is probably out of print. I remember checking it out at the > ACTCM > library when we were still in the nest. > Also, I learned it from working with drug detox patients at the ACTCM > community ear clinic/ NADA class. > > Anyone else know where to read up on the " addiction " / " chocolate " point? > > K > > > > On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 11:46 AM, Edith Chan, L.Ac. > <chineseherbs@ gmail.com>wrote: > >> >> >> Kokko, from what book/teacher did you originally learn of the >> addiction extra point? Would love to see a more precise diagram of >> it....thnx! -e >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> On Mar 12, 2010, at 1:17 AM, >> <johnkokko (AT) gmail (DOT) com<johnkokko%40gmail. com>> >> wrote: >> >> > There's the addiction extra point between Lung 7 and LI 5. >> > Don't know about the machine though. >> > >> > K >> > >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 8:03 PM, lynno.ozone >> > <lynno.ozone@ gmail.com<lynno.ozone% 40gmail.com> > >> >> > wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi, I have a new patient who told me that she stopped smoking with >> >> acupuncture. The practitioner put in a lot of needles near lie que >> >> LU7, and >> >> hooked them up to some kind of machine. After that, whenever the >> >> patient was >> >> near cigarettes or smoke they were nauseous, and she never smoked >> >> again. One >> >> treatment! Has anyone ever heard of this? Any information >> >> appreciated. >> >> Lynne Ozone, R. Ac,(BC, Canada) Dipl. O.M. (US) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > >> > >> > "" >> > >> > www.turtleclinic. com >> > www.tcmreview. com >> > >> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2010 Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 It is an extra point, also called " Tim Mee " , (Stop Smoking) is on the Lu channel, and is needled together with its close neighbors, Lu 7, and perhaps another ah shi point in close proximity, (perhaps even Ling Gu, or LI4, if they're tender) utilizing the Master Tung strategy of Dao Ma. ________________________________ <johnkokko Chinese Medicine Fri, March 12, 2010 1:13:22 PM Re: stop smoking treatment Edith, Hmm... I think it was this book by Ralph Alan Dale... it's been a long time. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Acupuncture-Function-Ralph-Alan-Dale/dp/1877589128/ref=s\ r_1_23?ie=UTF8 & s=books & qid=1268428141 & sr=1-23 The book is probably out of print. I remember checking it out at the ACTCM library when we were still in the nest. Also, I learned it from working with drug detox patients at the ACTCM community ear clinic/ NADA class. Anyone else know where to read up on the " addiction " / " chocolate " point? K On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 11:46 AM, Edith Chan, L.Ac. <chineseherbswrote: > > > Kokko, from what book/teacher did you originally learn of the > addiction extra point? Would love to see a more precise diagram of > it....thnx! -e > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Mar 12, 2010, at 1:17 AM, <johnkokko<johnkokko%40gmail.com>> > wrote: > > > There's the addiction extra point between Lung 7 and LI 5. > > Don't know about the machine though. > > > > K > > > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 8:03 PM, lynno.ozone <lynno.ozone<lynno.ozone%40gmail.com>> > > > wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> Hi, I have a new patient who told me that she stopped smoking with > >> acupuncture. The practitioner put in a lot of needles near lie que > >> LU7, and > >> hooked them up to some kind of machine. After that, whenever the > >> patient was > >> near cigarettes or smoke they were nauseous, and she never smoked > >> again. One > >> treatment! Has anyone ever heard of this? Any information > >> appreciated. > >> Lynne Ozone, R. Ac,(BC, Canada) Dipl. O.M. (US) > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > "" > > > > > > www.tcmreview.com > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2010 Report Share Posted March 14, 2010 According to Henry Lu's Chinese System of Food Cures, to stop smoking, - Grate a fresh radish and mix with 2 teaspoonfuls honey. Drink as juice. - Prepare 100g fresh bean curd and 50 g black sugar; make a few holes in the bean curds and put black sugar into the holes; steam bean curds. Whenever a person has an urge to smoke, eat a few spoonfuls of bean curds with black sugar inside to quit smoking. This will make the habitual smoker want to vomit on exposure to the smell of tobacco. - Lick a little salt with the tip of the tongue before smoking to prevent forming a habit or to quit smoking within 1 month. Douglas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2010 Report Share Posted March 14, 2010 Douglas, I've given this fresh radish juice rx to a couple of people and the only thing that happened was that they wanted to vomit each time... I'm not sure it's very practical. K On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Douglas Knapp <knappneedlemanwrote: > > > According to Henry Lu's Chinese System of Food Cures, > > to stop smoking, > - Grate a fresh radish and mix with 2 teaspoonfuls honey. Drink as juice. > > - Prepare 100g fresh bean curd and 50 g black sugar; make a few holes in > the bean curds and put black sugar into the holes; steam bean curds. > Whenever a person has an urge to smoke, eat a few spoonfuls of bean curds > with black sugar inside to quit smoking. This will make the habitual smoker > want to vomit on exposure to the smell of tobacco. > - Lick a little salt with the tip of the tongue before smoking to prevent > forming a habit or to quit smoking within 1 month. > > Douglas > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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