British Fertility Society study findings on Acupuncture and IVF

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http://www.bionews.org.uk/page_55767.asp

 

I keep seeing this study come up in the news; I am wondering what

fertility specialist (et al.) here on the forum think of this study?

 

Regards

 

Greg LeBlanc

[Guest guest]

Well, that's a downer.  My success rate has been quite good.  I have had

clients that had multiple failures before coming to acupuncture.  After being

treated with acupuncture, one round has not been good, and the second round is

successful.  I just went to a Baptism this past Sunday, for one my clients who

falls into this description.

 

 

 

I do think the longer you have someone in treatment before beginning this

process, the better.  Sometimes we don't have that luxury and they come in

right when starting fertility treatments. Then you have to hold a positive

attitude and hope for the best. 

 

 

 

Does this British Fertility Society have an agenda?  Just curious.

 

 

 

Anne

 

Anne C. Crowley, L.Ac., Dipl.Ac.

www.LaPlataAcupuncture.com

 

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" Gregory E. LeBlanc " <gleblanc

" Traditional "

<Chinese Medicine >

Monday, March 15, 2010 4:11:58 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern

 Re: British Fertility Society study findings on Acupuncture and

IVF

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.bionews.org.uk/page_55767.asp

 

I keep seeing this study come up in the news; I am wondering what

fertility specialist (et al.) here on the forum think of this study?

 

Regards

 

Greg LeBlanc

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

One big problem with these studies is that they assign uniform points to

every patient. They're not really doing TCM at all.

 

 

 

 

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" daniel.schulman " <daniel.schulman

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Thursday, March 18, 2010 10:16 AM

Re: British Fertility Society study findings on Acupuncture

and IVF

 

 

> Don: " . . . they certainly don't match the results I see in my

> clinics. . . . "

>

> Daniel: Research results NEVER match what I see in my clinic - not even

> remotely. There is such a vast canyon between what gets subjected to

> research and what really truly takes place in the real world - its nothing

> short of insanity to give any credence to research.

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Makes you wonder who's doing the research and who is designing it. We see these

results all the time and they certainly don't match the results I see in my

clinics.

 

 

 

Don Snow

 

 

 

Chinese Medicine

anne.crowley

Thu, 18 Mar 2010 02:48:59 +0000

Re: Re: British Fertility Society study findings on Acupuncture

and IVF

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well, that's a downer. My success rate has been quite good. I have had clients

that had multiple failures before coming to acupuncture. After being treated

with acupuncture, one round has not been good, and the second round is

successful. I just went to a Baptism this past Sunday, for one my clients who

falls into this description.

 

I do think the longer you have someone in treatment before beginning this

process, the better. Sometimes we don't have that luxury and they come in right

when starting fertility treatments. Then you have to hold a positive attitude

and hope for the best.

 

Does this British Fertility Society have an agenda? Just curious.

 

Anne

 

Anne C. Crowley, L.Ac., Dipl.Ac.

www.LaPlataAcupuncture.com

 

-

" Gregory E. LeBlanc " <gleblanc

" Traditional "

<Chinese Medicine >

Monday, March 15, 2010 4:11:58 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern

Re: British Fertility Society study findings on Acupuncture and

IVF

 

 

 

http://www.bionews.org.uk/page_55767.asp

 

I keep seeing this study come up in the news; I am wondering what

fertility specialist (et al.) here on the forum think of this study?

 

Regards

 

Greg LeBlanc

 

 

[Guest guest]

Don: " . . . they certainly don't match the results I see in my

clinics. . . . "

 

Daniel: Research results NEVER match what I see in my clinic - not even

remotely. There is such a vast canyon between what gets subjected to research

and what really truly takes place in the real world - its nothing short of

insanity to give any credence to research.

[Guest guest]

<<<<<<For studies on the effect of acupuncture, 14 trials (a total of 2670

subjects) were included in the meta-analysis. These trials were split into

three categories depending on the time when acupuncture was administered: a)

around the time of egg removal; b) on the day of embryo transfer; c) on the day

of embryo transfer and again 2-3 days later.>>>>>

 

Has anyone read the actual article in " Human Fertility " ? This meta-analysis

seems to only be looking at treatment that is occurring right at the time of the

IVF, but of course the headlines read " acupuncture is 'useless' for fertility " .

They also seemed to add in herbal medicine, but the limited reporting makes it

hard to ascertain the rigor of the studies involved.

 

Personally, I am not a big fan of this type of treatment strategy

(soon/immediately before and after IVF transfer), it isn't really true to the

medicine, too bad the headlines don't reflect that.

 

Sean

 

 

 

 

 

> Chinese Medicine

> anne.crowley

> Thu, 18 Mar 2010 02:48:59 +0000

> Re: Re: British Fertility Society study findings on Acupuncture

and IVF

>

Well, that's a downer. My success rate has been quite good. I have had

clients that had multiple failures before coming to acupuncture. After being

treated with acupuncture, one round has not been good, and the second round is

successful. I just went to a Baptism this past Sunday, for one my clients who

falls into this description.

>

> I do think the longer you have someone in treatment before beginning this

process, the better. Sometimes we don't have that luxury and they come in right

when starting fertility treatments. Then you have to hold a positive attitude

and hope for the best.

>

> Does this British Fertility Society have an agenda? Just curious.

>

> Anne

>

> Anne C. Crowley, L.Ac., Dipl.Ac.

> www.LaPlataAcupuncture.com

>

> -

> " Gregory E. LeBlanc " <gleblanc

> " Traditional "

<Chinese Medicine >

> Monday, March 15, 2010 4:11:58 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern

> Re: British Fertility Society study findings on Acupuncture

and IVF

>

>

>

> http://www.bionews.org.uk/page_55767.asp

>

> I keep seeing this study come up in the news; I am wondering what

> fertility specialist (et al.) here on the forum think of this study?

>

> Regards

>

> Greg LeBlanc

>

>

[Guest guest]

Don: " . . . they certainly don't match the results I see in my

clinics. . . . "

 

Daniel: Research results NEVER match what I see in my clinic - not even

remotely. There is such a vast canyon between what gets subjected to research

and what really truly takes place in the real world - its nothing short of

insanity to give any credence to research.

 

 

 

Jessica: Well THANK GOD we have the First Professional Doctorate to groom more

researchers and establish valuable studies like these!!!

 

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Basically, I see this as a means of taking away credibility of our medicine

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[Guest guest]

Previous studies hailed acupuncture as being effective before and after

transfer.  I can't find them right now, but they are quoted to me all the time

by perspective patients and in Radine Lewis's material.

 

 

 

Anne

 

Anne C. Crowley, L.Ac., Dipl.Ac.

www.LaPlataAcupuncture.com

 

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" Sean Doherty " <sean

" Traditional "

<Chinese Medicine >

Thursday, March 18, 2010 1:38:34 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern

Re:  Re: British Fertility Society study findings on Acupuncture

and IVF

 

 

 

 

 

 

<<<<<<For studies on the effect of acupuncture, 14 trials (a total of 2670

subjects) were included in the meta-analysis. These trials were split into three

categories depending on the time when acupuncture was administered: a) around

the time of egg removal; b) on the day of embryo transfer; c) on the day of

embryo transfer and again 2-3 days later.>>>>>

 

Has anyone read the actual article in " Human Fertility " ? This meta-analysis

seems to only be looking at treatment that is occurring right at the time of the

IVF, but of course the headlines read " acupuncture is 'useless' for fertility " .

They also seemed to add in herbal medicine, but the limited reporting makes it

hard to ascertain the rigor of the studies involved.

 

Personally, I am not a big fan of this type of treatment strategy

(soon/immediately before and after IVF transfer), it isn't really true to the

medicine, too bad the headlines don't reflect that.

 

Sean

 

> Chinese Medicine

> anne.crowley

> Thu, 18 Mar 2010 02:48:59 +0000

> Re: Re: British Fertility Society study findings on Acupuncture

and IVF

>

Well, that's a downer. My success rate has been quite good. I have had clients

that had multiple failures before coming to acupuncture. After being treated

with acupuncture, one round has not been good, and the second round is

successful. I just went to a Baptism this past Sunday, for one my clients who

falls into this description.

>

> I do think the longer you have someone in treatment before beginning this

process, the better. Sometimes we don't have that luxury and they come in right

when starting fertility treatments. Then you have to hold a positive attitude

and hope for the best.

>

> Does this British Fertility Society have an agenda? Just curious.

>

> Anne

>

> Anne C. Crowley, L.Ac., Dipl.Ac.

> www.LaPlataAcupuncture.com

>

> -

> " Gregory E. LeBlanc " < gleblanc >

> " Traditional " <

Chinese Medicine >

> Monday, March 15, 2010 4:11:58 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern

> Re: British Fertility Society study findings on Acupuncture and

IVF

>

>

>

> http://www.bionews.org.uk/page_55767.asp

>

> I keep seeing this study come up in the news; I am wondering what

> fertility specialist (et al.) here on the forum think of this study?

>

> Regards

>

> Greg LeBlanc

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yeah, I have read these studies. It just isn't my favorite approach,

especially when working with older couples.

 

Best,

Sean

 

 

On Mar 18, 2010, at 2:40 PM, Anne Crowley wrote:

 

>

>

> Previous studies hailed acupuncture as being effective before and after

transfer. I can't find them right now, but they are quoted to me all the time

by perspective patients and in Radine Lewis's material.

>

> Anne

>

> Anne C. Crowley, L.Ac., Dipl.Ac.

> www.LaPlataAcupuncture.com

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi all

i should have the full text article by next week and will let you know what i

find out. My hunch is it will be down to how they have constructed their

inclusion/exclusion criteria (you can make a sytematic review say anything based

on what you include/exclude).

This is not primary research, but a review of 14 research papers. So, why only

14? which 14 were chosen and why? how many were excluded and why? were results

found to be unreliable? or were they negative? Again, if results were deemed

unreliable (very often the case with TCM research), that is different from the

showing a negative result.

Lee

 

Chinese Medicine , Donald Snow <don83407

wrote:

>

>

> Makes you wonder who's doing the research and who is designing it. We see

these results all the time and they certainly don't match the results I see in

my clinics.

>

>

>

> Don Snow

>

>

>

> Chinese Medicine

> anne.crowley

> Thu, 18 Mar 2010 02:48:59 +0000

> Re: Re: British Fertility Society study findings on Acupuncture

and IVF

>

Well, that's a downer. My success rate has been quite good. I have had

clients that had multiple failures before coming to acupuncture. After being

treated with acupuncture, one round has not been good, and the second round is

successful. I just went to a Baptism this past Sunday, for one my clients who

falls into this description.

>

> I do think the longer you have someone in treatment before beginning this

process, the better. Sometimes we don't have that luxury and they come in right

when starting fertility treatments. Then you have to hold a positive attitude

and hope for the best.

>

> Does this British Fertility Society have an agenda? Just curious.

>

> Anne

>

> Anne C. Crowley, L.Ac., Dipl.Ac.

> www.LaPlataAcupuncture.com

>

> -

> " Gregory E. LeBlanc " <gleblanc

> " Traditional "

<Chinese Medicine >

> Monday, March 15, 2010 4:11:58 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern

> Re: British Fertility Society study findings on Acupuncture

and IVF

>

>

>

> http://www.bionews.org.uk/page_55767.asp

>

> I keep seeing this study come up in the news; I am wondering what

> fertility specialist (et al.) here on the forum think of this study?

>

> Regards

>

> Greg LeBlanc

>

>