I'm Feeling Whiny Today or Legislated Out of Existence

[Guest guest]

Hugo

 

The core problem just about everywhere is that the legal system is not

what one might think it is.

 

We have a US Constitution and the complete US court system is supposed to

be based upon the US Constitution and the various State constitutions....YET

the actual court system with all its lawyers, judges, court reporters,

clerk of courts etc (all called officers of the court) are based upon

Admiralty Law...also called " the law merchant " .

 

With exception of several courts in the Federal Zone in Washington DC (e.g.

US Supreme Court) there are NO constitutional courts in the US. So when

one winds up in any court they are dealing with PIRATE law......even though

it is on-land. The courts will and do ignore you WHEN you speak to your

Constitutional Rights.....assuming you are representing yourself. Otherwise

your lawyer will NEVER speak about these core issues/fallacies.

 

That's why it is often said that the system is not only crooked but rigged

all the way....... including not only the three branches of state and

federal government but ALSO includes the so-called fourth branch of government

-> the media.

 

Factor this in and please do advise......WHERE can one go to protect this

indigenous medicine?

 

Richard

 

 

In a message dated 3/21/2010 11:48:12 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

subincor writes:

 

 

 

 

Hi Alon! Was it a long day for you?

 

Thought this might be of interest in a roundabout sort of way (well, not

roundabout, more like a root pattern disharmony):

 

" Racism, like capitalism, is an accepted structural phenomenon centered in

maintaining the status quo. It is not, and never has been, the result of

individual bigotry that it is often reduced to. [...] racism should be

understood as a set of systemic structures that maintain a racial ruling elite

as demonstrated through enforcement of politics and laws that govern the

land. " (Stoval 2006)

 

The media reaction to the research is unadulterated racism, as much as

many of you may be uncomfortable with the idea. Do the research, haha.

 

Our medicine is not white medicine. Our medicine is actually an indigenous

medicine (yes, we are all indigenous to somewhere, but the use of the word

and its connotations takes us to that old joke " indian " and all its

baggage). Being such a medicine, it is there for the ruling colonies to

dissect,

dismember and use as they will - a type of rape, as we all understand.

 

This is not a tantrum, it is a rant - a powerful one. Alon, I would love

it if you were to not feel a need (because of the great threat the

tant-rummers pose?) to diminish this, since this is *the* next big conflict we

face

as a profession: to finally identify ourselves as originating *outside* of

biomedicine, to assert that we are *already* in legal possession of

professional boundaries which will be managed by *us*, and to use the growing

power of international law in our favour. (The international laws of biopiracy,

cultural and intellectual property rights, and human rights)

 

And just as we discussed at the board meeting yesterday, we need lawyers,

dammit.

 

A small anecdote before I take my leave:

 

My TCM teacher is an 80 year old man who has struggled to maintain CM on a

true course within Ontario politics over the past 40 years. To have it

respected, taught properly, and not abused and used by western medicine. He

recently told us at one of our classes that one of his patients, a First

Nations elder, gave him a good talking to the day before. The First Nations

elder said, " Don't let them take your medicine. Don't let them take your

language. Don't let them take your culture. " There was more said, obviously.

But

our teacher told us that he hadn't felt so listened to, and understood, in

a long time.

Ever since then, he's had a lot more juice.

 

And then the scientist said, " Just one moment. We're going to have to do

some research to verify that. " (Then they gathered some rats...)

 

And I may as well add that in Canada, CM regulation successfully killed CM

in Quebec by passing legislation that said licensure could only be

achieved in English or French. English medicine? French medicine?

So here in Ontario, the medical lobbies are pushing, very very hard, to do

the same thing. No grandfathering, all exams must be conducted in English.

Who cares about the Chinese! This is Canada! (an English word, meaning

" hypocrite " )

 

Take care everyone,

 

Hugo

 

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alon marcus <_alonmarcus_ (alonmarcus) >

 

I had an ear infection from acup when i was a student, it took a long

time to go away. I never reported it to anyone and i am sure it very

rarely gets reported when it occurs. Just because there are many

deaths and complications from western medical procedures does not mean

we should dismiss such reports. If u are the one patient with a severe

infection u dont care that western medicine is more or less dangerous.

You guys sound like little children having tantrums. All medical

procedures which penetrate the skin have risks including acup. Western

medical J are full of discussions about risks of infection from all

type of procedures or from just going to the hospital. Just grow up

already

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi Alon! Was it a long day for you?

 

Thought this might be of interest in a roundabout sort of way (well, not

roundabout, more like a root pattern disharmony):

 

" Racism, like capitalism, is an accepted structural phenomenon centered in

maintaining the status quo. It is not, and never has been, the result of

individual bigotry that it is often reduced to. [...] racism should be

understood as a set of systemic structures that maintain a racial ruling elite

as demonstrated through enforcement of politics and laws that govern the land. "

(Stoval 2006)

 

The media reaction to the research is unadulterated racism, as much as many of

you may be uncomfortable with the idea. Do the research, haha.

 

Our medicine is not white medicine. Our medicine is actually an indigenous

medicine (yes, we are all indigenous to somewhere, but the use of the word and

its connotations takes us to that old joke " indian " and all its baggage). Being

such a medicine, it is there for the ruling colonies to dissect, dismember and

use as they will - a type of rape, as we all understand.

 

 

This is not a tantrum, it is a rant - a powerful one. Alon, I would love it if

you were to not feel a need (because of the great threat the tant-rummers pose?)

to diminish this, since this is *the* next big conflict we face as a profession:

to finally identify ourselves as originating *outside* of biomedicine, to assert

that we are *already* in legal possession of professional boundaries which will

be managed by *us*, and to use the growing power of international law in our

favour. (The international laws of biopiracy, cultural and intellectual property

rights, and human rights)

 

And just as we discussed at the board meeting yesterday, we need lawyers,

dammit.

 

A small anecdote before I take my leave:

 

My TCM teacher is an 80 year old man who has struggled to maintain CM on a true

course within Ontario politics over the past 40 years. To have it respected,

taught properly, and not abused and used by western medicine. He recently told

us at one of our classes that one of his patients, a First Nations elder, gave

him a good talking to the day before. The First Nations elder said, " Don't let

them take your medicine. Don't let them take your language. Don't let them take

your culture. " There was more said, obviously. But our teacher told us that he

hadn't felt so listened to, and understood, in a long time.

Ever since then, he's had a lot more juice.

 

And then the scientist said, " Just one moment. We're going to have to do some

research to verify that. " (Then they gathered some rats...)

 

And I may as well add that in Canada, CM regulation successfully killed CM in

Quebec by passing legislation that said licensure could only be achieved in

English or French. English medicine? French medicine?

So here in Ontario, the medical lobbies are pushing, very very hard, to do the

same thing. No grandfathering, all exams must be conducted in English. Who cares

about the Chinese! This is Canada! (an English word, meaning " hypocrite " )

 

Take care everyone,

 

Hugo

 

________________________________

Hugo Ramiro

http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com

http://www.middlemedicine.org

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

alon marcus <alonmarcus

 

 

I had an ear infection from acup when i was a student, it took a long

time to go away. I never reported it to anyone and i am sure it very

rarely gets reported when it occurs. Just because there are many

deaths and complications from western medical procedures does not mean

we should dismiss such reports. If u are the one patient with a severe

infection u dont care that western medicine is more or less dangerous.

You guys sound like little children having tantrums. All medical

procedures which penetrate the skin have risks including acup. Western

medical J are full of discussions about risks of infection from all

type of procedures or from just going to the hospital. Just grow up

already

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hugo

one can have a conversation and write a perspective on the article

without an immediate kneejerk reaction as being an attack. Do you the

hospital associations react like this when a big article comes about

hospital inquired infections? What we need to do is first acknowledge

that infections are possible but point out how rare they are. Point

out that we actually use disposable needles and are trained in

infection control, etc. If you sound so defensive it just come out

that way

 

 

 

400 29th St. Suite 419

Oakland Ca 94609

 

 

 

alonmarcus

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Thanks Alon, there is more than a grain of truth to what you are saying.

 

At the same time I must say that I use this forum to blow off steam so that I

have as little steam as possible when I deal with the medical students that

rotate through my clinic, as well as in my interactions with the graduated docs

that I work with, as well as in interactions with the government of Ontario, as

potentially frustrating as those interactions may be to me.

 

The hospital associations have, in fact, huge kneejerk reactions to bad press

and hire teams of lawyers and PR personnel to deal with various " problems " (not

to mention the problem of the very existence of CM), as you well know. They are

also in positions of tremendous power and can therefore deal with assaults, true

or false, in a seemingly moderated fashion. Iron fist in a velvet glove type

thing.

 

The kneejerk defensiveness, while not an effective tool, in, say, a court, is a

very effective way of contacting where the issue lies and what its relevance is

to any one individual, and is therefore a very useful way to find our

motivations for continuing to practice CM. I am tired of CM being dismembered,

and I am also tired of the apathy (?) in our profession - whereas the chiros and

naturopaths hire lawyers and get things done, we have 1000 people do a public

protest a couple of weeks ago. And we achieved next to nothing. The naturopaths,

by the way, in Ontario, are about to have legislation passed that allows them to

prescribe antibiotics, amongst other things. How did they achieve this? Through

lawyers.

 

In my opinion, we need more " defensiveness " in our profession. We stand back

too often, perhaps because of a feeling of inferiority (which I have encountered

in too many of my colleagues). The naturopaths and chiros fiercely stand up for

what they want, and angrily state their positions and then hire lawyers to

represent their positions.

 

Richard has mentioned many times his frustration at our profession's general

(but not total) inability to be effective in a legal realm. This may be due to

our plurality, but in the end, it cannot simply be that. The patterns we see in

our profession's social and legal standing are very similar to what we see in

the remnants of First Nations cultures. We do not have a strong enough identity,

and without a strong enough identity, we will simply choose to merge with a

stronger identity.

 

A deep-rooted belief in our distinct identity, a desire, therefore, to protect

*ourselves* will enable us to function like the chiros and naturopaths.

 

A friend of mine who graduated from a school in British

Columbia more than a decade ago (and who has not practiced for 5 years now),

described her experience at the school as " depressing " despite the quality of

material and usefulness of the system. She says it was depressing because it was

so obvious in every aspect that it (her school, at least) was a ship just trying

to stay afloat.

 

It's obviously a terribly complicated question, so these are just some

thoughts. I always hope that some readers of my posts on this forum leave

feeling a little bit angry or impassioned, and through that anger or passion,

contact a determination within themselves to not only stay alive, but to bring

honour to themselves and our profession, because we carry something so valuable

to humanity, along with other indigenous medicines.

 

Anyway, thanks,

Hugo

 

 

________________________________

Hugo Ramiro

http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com

http://www.middlemedicine.org

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

alon marcus <alonmarcus

Chinese Medicine

Mon, 22 March, 2010 16:31:58

Re:I'm Feeling Whiny Today or Legislated Out of Existence

 

 

Hugo

one can have a conversation and write a perspective on the article

without an immediate kneejerk reaction as being an attack. Do you the

hospital associations react like this when a big article comes about

hospital inquired infections? What we need to do is first acknowledge

that infections are possible but point out how rare they are. Point

out that we actually use disposable needles and are trained in

infection control, etc. If you sound so defensive it just come out

that way

 

 

 

400 29th St. Suite 419

Oakland Ca 94609

 

 

www.integrativeheal thmedicine. com

alonmarcus (AT) wans (DOT) net

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hugo

I totally understand were you are coming from and definitely can relate

 

 

 

400 29th St. Suite 419

Oakland Ca 94609

 

 

 

alonmarcus