study: Depression Is an Inflammatory disease

[Guest guest]

I'm referring to use of L-tryptophan and/or 5 HTP for antidepressant action=

 

 

[Guest guest]

I'm referring to use of L-tryptophan and/or 5 HTP for antidepressant action=

 

 

[Guest guest]

Yup, you just have to read the medical journals like JAMA to see what the

pharmaceutical companies have been up to. Merck lying about drug research

reports and bribing doctors to prescribe their products and threatening to

blacklist them if they didnt comply. Glaxo and AstroZeneca using corporate

insiders to get their products approved through collusion with the FDA and ghost

writers on their research studies who were never a part of the actual research.

It all comes back to bite them when people have side effects and sue the drug

companies. I dont know why you think this is part of some " conspiracy " as its

widely known how corrupt the pharmaceutical industry is (and its not just

Monsanto putting hormones in our meat and dairy products that result in higher

incidents of thyroid cancer, or farmers feeding their animals with antibiotics

either, the mainstream drug industry is corrupt), all the above that Ive quoted

is mentioned in medical journals, the washington post, the wall street journal

and the new york times. If you want to see the articles, I reposted them on my

site, go to http://supermanalexthegreat.shutterfly.com and scroll to the bottom

where you see the health section.

 

 

 

 

 

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So if an essential amino acid cannot be absorbed thru oral ingestion, how the

heck do people GET that ESSENTIAL amino acid? Can it ONLY be absorbed if it

comes in the form of, say, TURKEY??? But NOT if taken alone?

 

Certainly acid hydrolysis is an important step in the process, maybe the

" subjects " were dosed between meals (empty stomach) with no acid stimulators

(like the smell of something yummy)?

 

Perhaps AA supplements should be taken with a light meal or a snack...

 

I am specifically interested in the specifics of the study(s) that resulted in

the declaration that l-tryptophan is not absorbed orally.

 

Curiously,

Mark Z

 

<RCVVMD wrote:

>

> My understanding is that l tryptophan is not absorbed orally, or useful in

that form, as it is only a precursor and needs to be further bound and converted

in CSF... Has this been further delineated since my days of neuroscience?

>

> Robin Valentine, VMD

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I have taken tryptophan orally (well 5-HTP) and I can tell you its well absorbed

orally. It made me feel extremely tired so I didnt take it more than a couple

days.

 

 

 

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I think most of neuroscience is sheer nonsense, personally.

I also think that there is a well-funded establishment-based agenda to

" blame " all illness on:

1: " Genetics. " (Darwinian, not Lamarckian.)

2: " Autoimmune disease "

3: Inflammation.

Sometimes it even seems like the " germ theory " itself is on it's way out!

 

 

 

 

 

 

-

" rcvvmd " <RCVVMD

<Chinese Medicine >

Wednesday, April 07, 2010 2:02 AM

RE: Re: study: Depression Is an Inflammatory disease

 

 

> Alex,

>

> My question is one of basic science, not of drug companies, or government

> conspiracies. If someone can show me differently than what I was taught on

> a benchtop neuroscience level, I'd be glad to have a new tool that I could

> confidently heal with. Just believing in something doesn't always make it

> work.

>

> Anyway- I'm still interested.

>

> Robin Valentine, VMD PA

[Guest guest]

Not only is it effective orally, it is strongly effective with an immediate

action(unlike ssris which take weeks to work), melatonin is poorly absorbed, the

sublingual form is best. Try a dose of L-tryptophan you will feel less

depressed within an hour or two. The only side effect I know of is its a little

harsh on the stomach lining so use caution with stomach yin def. Taking it with

more carbs and less protein makes it absorb better but this can be bypassed by

simply taking a larger dose. B6 makes it more potent. 5htp works very well too

about 100mg is equal to 1000mg L-tryptophan, the 5htp doesn't make one as

sleepy, yet has an anti-depressant effect. Real, fermented, unsweetened with

white grape juice, NONI juice has a precursor, its not in the unfermented type.

The actor Jim Carrey is a strong proponent of L-tryptophan and 5-htp. Have you

ever sampled a prozac? I have: total poison not even fit for a lab rat to

consume...

http://www.overcoming-depression.com/tryptophan.html

 

 

Chinese Medicine , rcvvmd <RCVVMD wrote:

>

> I'm referring to use of L-tryptophan and/or 5 HTP for antidepressant action=

>

>

[Guest guest]

" Autoimmune disease " is a term often used when they don't understand the disease

pathology very well but they found some antibodies, so they say ok its an

autoimmune condition. Fibromyalgia is another vague term, it means that there

is general pain with a poorly understood pathology. Eastern medicine is very

pragmatic as they make classifications based on therapetics, Western medicine

tends to make groups that make no sense, like in psychiatry they have categories

of mental disease that are observable, then they have categories of meds

approved for different conditions, for bi-polar, meds for seizures and temporal

seizures, meds for acute mania, antihistamines that make you drowsy, etc. then

in practice they prescribe them all off-label in a haphazard manner- there is no

rhyme or reason to it...I've heard of them giving methadone to a Vietnam vet for

depression he never even had an addiction problem before. Lithium, people still

prescribing that poison, buspar that drug that's practically a placebo but

somebody wanted to market it, so you mix it with other meds as a " booster " (when

did they do a clinical trial on the safety of that?). Turning former alcoholics

into full blown benzo addicts where they will have a seizure if they skips a few

hours pills. Parkinson's meds like artane for mental illness. I think there

should every MD should re-swear the Hippocratic oath on a copy of the PDR...

 

Chinese Medicine , " Mercurius Trismegistus "

<magisterium_magnum wrote:

>

> I think most of neuroscience is sheer nonsense, personally.

> I also think that there is a well-funded establishment-based agenda to

> " blame " all illness on:

> 1: " Genetics. " (Darwinian, not Lamarckian.)

> 2: " Autoimmune disease "

> 3: Inflammation.

> Sometimes it even seems like the " germ theory " itself is on it's way out!

-

> " rcvvmd " <RCVVMD

> <Chinese Medicine >

> Wednesday, April 07, 2010 2:02 AM

> RE: Re: study: Depression Is an Inflammatory disease

>

>

> > Alex,

> >

> > My question is one of basic science, not of drug companies, or government

> > conspiracies. If someone can show me differently than what I was taught on

> > a benchtop neuroscience level, I'd be glad to have a new tool that I could

> > confidently heal with. Just believing in something doesn't always make it

> > work.

> >

> > Anyway- I'm still interested.

> >

> > Robin Valentine, VMD PA

>

[Guest guest]

The PDR is ONLY a sales catalog for those drug companies willing to PAY

the advertising price to list their product. I always used to wonder why many

drugs were not in there. That's the answer.

 

Richard

 

 

In a message dated 4/8/2010 11:33:33 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

subincor writes:

 

The PDR was originally (and still is, in disguised form) a sales

catalogue, literally.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Jason:

 

This may be a bad idea:

 

" I think there should every MD should re-swear the Hippocratic oath on a copy of

the PDR... "

 

 

The PDR was originally (and still is, in disguised form) a sales catalogue,

literally.

 

Hugo

 

________________________________

Hugo Ramiro

http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com

http://www.middlemedicine.org

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

jasonwcom <jasonwcom

Chinese Medicine

Thu, 8 April, 2010 7:42:18

Re: study: Depression Is an Inflammatory disease

 

 

" Autoimmune disease " is a term often used when they don't understand the disease

pathology very well but they found some antibodies, so they say ok its an

autoimmune condition. Fibromyalgia is another vague term, it means that there

is general pain with a poorly understood pathology. Eastern medicine is very

pragmatic as they make classifications based on therapetics, Western medicine

tends to make groups that make no sense, like in psychiatry they have categories

of mental disease that are observable, then they have categories of meds

approved for different conditions, for bi-polar, meds for seizures and temporal

seizures, meds for acute mania, antihistamines that make you drowsy, etc. then

in practice they prescribe them all off-label in a haphazard manner- there is no

rhyme or reason to it...I've heard of them giving methadone to a Vietnam vet for

depression he never even had an addiction problem before. Lithium, people still

prescribing that

poison, buspar that drug that's practically a placebo but somebody wanted to

market it, so you mix it with other meds as a " booster " (when did they do a

clinical trial on the safety of that?). Turning former alcoholics into full

blown benzo addicts where they will have a seizure if they skips a few hours

pills. Parkinson's meds like artane for mental illness. I think there should

every MD should re-swear the Hippocratic oath on a copy of the PDR...

 

Traditional_ Chinese_Medicine , " Mercurius Trismegistus "

<magisterium_ magnum@.. .> wrote:

>

> I think most of neuroscience is sheer nonsense, personally.

> I also think that there is a well-funded establishment- based agenda to

> " blame " all illness on:

> 1: " Genetics. " (Darwinian, not Lamarckian.)

> 2: " Autoimmune disease "

> 3: Inflammation.

> Sometimes it even seems like the " germ theory " itself is on it's way out!

-

> " rcvvmd " <RCVVMD

> <Traditional_ Chinese_Medicine >

> Wednesday, April 07, 2010 2:02 AM

> RE: Re: study: Depression Is an Inflammatory disease

>

>

> > Alex,

> >

> > My question is one of basic science, not of drug companies, or government

> > conspiracies. If someone can show me differently than what I was taught on

> > a benchtop neuroscience level, I'd be glad to have a new tool that I could

> > confidently heal with. Just believing in something doesn't always make it

> > work.

> >

> > Anyway- I'm still interested.

> >

> > Robin Valentine, VMD PA

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Alex:

 

-Alex--

It all comes back to bite them when people have side effects and sue the drug

companies.

---

 

 

How exactly does it all come back to bite them? The only class action to do

substantial damage occurred with tobacco in north america, but who cares, they

have more than 5 billion other potential customers. Otherwise, plaintiffs settle

out of court for what amounts to less than pocket change for pharm corps.

Classaction lawsuits mean nothing.

Thanks for the articles.

Hugo

 

________________________________

Hugo Ramiro

http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com

http://www.middlemedicine.org

 

 

 

 

 

________________________________

alex starseeker <moody1515

Chinese Traditional Medicine

Thu, 8 April, 2010 1:47:52

RE: Re: study: Depression Is an Inflammatory disease

 

 

 

Yup, you just have to read the medical journals like JAMA to see what the

pharmaceutical companies have been up to. Merck lying about drug research

reports and bribing doctors to prescribe their products and threatening to

blacklist them if they didnt comply. Glaxo and AstroZeneca using corporate

insiders to get their products approved through collusion with the FDA and ghost

writers on their research studies who were never a part of the actual research.

It all comes back to bite them when people have side effects and sue the drug

companies. I dont know why you think this is part of some " conspiracy " as its

widely known how corrupt the pharmaceutical industry is (and its not just

Monsanto putting hormones in our meat and dairy products that result in higher

incidents of thyroid cancer, or farmers feeding their animals with antibiotics

either, the mainstream drug industry is corrupt), all the above that Ive quoted

is mentioned in medical journals, the

washington post, the wall street journal and the new york times. If you want

to see the articles, I reposted them on my site, go to http://supermanalex

thegreat. shutterfly. com and scroll to the bottom where you see the health

section.

 

 

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auto antibodies are found in vaccinated individuals, auto antibodies lead to the

inflammation of those binding sites where auto antibodies link to the tissues. A

landmark study was done in animals, dogs where vaccinated versus totally

nonvaccinated animals were tested and only vaccinated individuals had the auto

antibodies.......which came as a problem from injecting components into the body

that were then recognized as invaders and (auto) antibodies made. This leads to

a whole host of degradation demyelization, heart disease, cartilage disease

etcetcetc

 

Fibro myalgia is one type of disease where the pain reception is unregulated and

pain felt by the patients .........vaccines were one trigger to this autoimmune

disease. Vaccines increase cross reactivity, molecular mimicry, autoantibody,

immune complexes and effect a wide spectrum of disorders depending on the

pathway, the cytokines the gene coding alterations that the vaccines affected.

The big kicker is where is the proof that vaccines were ever safe or

even........ever efficacious? Yes, anything that can alter gene coding can

affect genetic expression of disease so many drugs also. The bottom line is that

the immune system of the individual is made altered and never in a good way,

genetic expression of disease explains what disease you get from the vaccine but

the dis harmony is still a distortion of the immune system or should I say the

psychoneuroimmunoendocrine system. TCM can shine rebalancing and even affect

energetically the mistunement of the immune system which is expressed as genetic

factor!

 

Our immune system is shaped by the immune challeges, NATURAL immune challenges

the body was presented with. The vaccines are an UNNATURAL challenge presented

via an UNNATURAL route and were the very cause starting about 300 years ago to

an UNNATURAL selection pressure for a dys regulated immune system. This is all

the work of the vaccines, with help from other genetically engineered substances

and drugs and malnutrition, anything that can affect gene coding.

 

Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology

 

 

 

 

 

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It appears to me that while vaccines are not safe, they are " safer " for most

people than the rabies, smallpox, etc. they are designed to prevent. People

need to do their own " risk assessment analysis " on whether or not to immunize.

That being the case. The issue is not whether we should vaccinate or not, it's

what do we do about the effects, if they are indeed the effects of vaccination.

We need to deal with what is there.

 

 

 

Sincerely,

 

 

 

Donald J. Snow, Jr., DAOM, MPH, L.Ac.

 

 

 

Chinese Traditional Medicine

coastalcatclinic

Thu, 8 Apr 2010 14:17:53 -0400

RE: Re: study: Depression Is an Inflammatory disease

 

 

 

 

 

 

auto antibodies are found in vaccinated individuals, auto antibodies lead to the

inflammation of those binding sites where auto antibodies link to the tissues. A

landmark study was done in animals, dogs where vaccinated versus totally

nonvaccinated animals were tested and only vaccinated individuals had the auto

antibodies.......which came as a problem from injecting components into the body

that were then recognized as invaders and (auto) antibodies made. This leads to

a whole host of degradation demyelization, heart disease, cartilage disease

etcetcetc

 

Fibro myalgia is one type of disease where the pain reception is unregulated and

pain felt by the patients .........vaccines were one trigger to this autoimmune

disease. Vaccines increase cross reactivity, molecular mimicry, autoantibody,

immune complexes and effect a wide spectrum of disorders depending on the

pathway, the cytokines the gene coding alterations that the vaccines affected.

The big kicker is where is the proof that vaccines were ever safe or

even........ever efficacious? Yes, anything that can alter gene coding can

affect genetic expression of disease so many drugs also. The bottom line is that

the immune system of the individual is made altered and never in a good way,

genetic expression of disease explains what disease you get from the vaccine but

the dis harmony is still a distortion of the immune system or should I say the

psychoneuroimmunoendocrine system. TCM can shine rebalancing and even affect

energetically the mistunement of the immune system which is expressed as genetic

factor!

 

Our immune system is shaped by the immune challeges, NATURAL immune challenges

the body was presented with. The vaccines are an UNNATURAL challenge presented

via an UNNATURAL route and were the very cause starting about 300 years ago to

an UNNATURAL selection pressure for a dys regulated immune system. This is all

the work of the vaccines, with help from other genetically engineered substances

and drugs and malnutrition, anything that can affect gene coding.

 

Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology

 

 

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[Guest guest]

So how about making all vaccines thimerosal-free not just the ones for pregnant

women, if they can preserve the special one for pregnant women without it, than

they could just do that for all of them...If it can harm a developing fetus

there must be some damage to a non-pregnant person I would think...

-JB

 

Chinese Medicine , Donald Snow <don83407

wrote:

>

>

> It appears to me that while vaccines are not safe, they are " safer " for most

people than the rabies, smallpox, etc. they are designed to prevent. People

need to do their own " risk assessment analysis " on whether or not to immunize.

That being the case. The issue is not whether we should vaccinate or not, it's

what do we do about the effects, if they are indeed the effects of vaccination.

We need to deal with what is there.

>

>

>

> Sincerely,

>

>

>

> Donald J. Snow, Jr., DAOM, MPH, L.Ac.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ok. Clearly we are not on the same subject. No problem, I'm glad that you find

it an adjunct to sleep.

Best,

Robin Valentine, VMD

 

 

 

alex starseeker <moody1515

Thursday, April 08, 2010 2:46 AM

Chinese Traditional Medicine

RE: Re: study: Depression Is an Inflammatory disease

 

 

 

I have taken tryptophan orally (well 5-HTP) and I can tell you its well

absorbed orally. It made me feel extremely tired so I didnt take it more than a

couple days.

 

 

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The prognoses in the PDR are based on " the average American. " Are they not?

 

 

 

 

 

-

" Hugo Ramiro " <subincor

<Chinese Medicine >

Thursday, April 08, 2010 8:33 AM

Re: Re: study: Depression Is an Inflammatory disease

 

 

> Hi Jason:

>

> This may be a bad idea:

>

> " I think there should every MD should re-swear the Hippocratic oath on a

> copy of the PDR... "

>

>

> The PDR was originally (and still is, in disguised form) a sales

> catalogue, literally.

>

> Hugo

>

> ________________________________

> Hugo Ramiro

> http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com

> http://www.middlemedicine.org

>

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> jasonwcom <jasonwcom

> Chinese Medicine

> Thu, 8 April, 2010 7:42:18

> Re: study: Depression Is an Inflammatory disease

>

>

> " Autoimmune disease " is a term often used when they don't understand the

> disease pathology very well but they found some antibodies, so they say ok

> its an autoimmune condition. Fibromyalgia is another vague term, it means

> that there is general pain with a poorly understood pathology. Eastern

> medicine is very pragmatic as they make classifications based on

> therapetics, Western medicine tends to make groups that make no sense,

> like in psychiatry they have categories of mental disease that are

> observable, then they have categories of meds approved for different

> conditions, for bi-polar, meds for seizures and temporal seizures, meds

> for acute mania, antihistamines that make you drowsy, etc. then in

> practice they prescribe them all off-label in a haphazard manner- there is

> no rhyme or reason to it...I've heard of them giving methadone to a

> Vietnam vet for depression he never even had an addiction problem before.

> Lithium, people still prescribing that

> poison, buspar that drug that's practically a placebo but somebody wanted

> to market it, so you mix it with other meds as a " booster " (when did they

> do a clinical trial on the safety of that?). Turning former alcoholics

> into full blown benzo addicts where they will have a seizure if they skips

> a few hours pills. Parkinson's meds like artane for mental illness. I

> think there should every MD should re-swear the Hippocratic oath on a copy

> of the PDR...

>

> Traditional_ Chinese_Medicine , " Mercurius

> Trismegistus " <magisterium_ magnum@.. .> wrote:

>>

>> I think most of neuroscience is sheer nonsense, personally.

>> I also think that there is a well-funded establishment- based agenda to

>> " blame " all illness on:

>> 1: " Genetics. " (Darwinian, not Lamarckian.)

>> 2: " Autoimmune disease "

>> 3: Inflammation.

>> Sometimes it even seems like the " germ theory " itself is on it's way out!

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> -

>> " rcvvmd " <RCVVMD

>> <Traditional_ Chinese_Medicine >

>> Wednesday, April 07, 2010 2:02 AM

>> RE: Re: study: Depression Is an Inflammatory disease

>>

>>

>> > Alex,

>> >

>> > My question is one of basic science, not of drug companies, or

>> > government

>> > conspiracies. If someone can show me differently than what I was taught

>> > on

>> > a benchtop neuroscience level, I'd be glad to have a new tool that I

>> > could

>> > confidently heal with. Just believing in something doesn't always make

>> > it

>> > work.

>> >

>> > Anyway- I'm still interested.

>> >

>> > Robin Valentine, VMD PA

>>

>