herbs for breast feeding mom--effect baby?

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Hi all:

 

--Jason-

 

Not true at all- in fact sometimes jade windscreen is used at high doses in

acute ext. conditions with excellent results. Page 319 of Bensky/Gamble says

not only is huang qi safe in exterior conditions, it can be used to induce

sweating when regular sweat-inducing herbs have failed.

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I have to agree with Jason as well as Kath. Huang Qi boosts the Wei Qi - this

is not a linear process. Huang Qi makes the Wei Qi stronger so that it can do

what it has to do, that may be to open the pores when there is internal heat, or

close them when there is excessive wind, for example. Wei Qi function is linked

to the muscular tone of the skin and its pores - when the pores are healthy and

have good tone, they can open and close as necessary, performing their

*regulatory* function. This is boosted wei qi.

 

In certain cases it is useful to imagine wei qi as closing and shuttering, and

trapping pathogens on the inside - this idea is certainly supported in the

literature as well as in the large number of exterior releasing formulas which

do not include Huang Qi, as well as Huang Qi's lack of inclusion the exterior

releasing category.

 

As Jason mentions however, it can help sweating in people who have trouble,

since it strengthens Wei Qi and its functions - last month I finally got a

patient to start sweating again (under exertion, in the heat etc) when she

hadn't sweat for 20 years. She also presented with a sensation of a chest that

was a like a large, empty barrel, and a small weak heart hanging loosely in the

middle. Herbal therapy had Huang Qi as a central herb, and I am certain that

Huang Qi was the major mover behind her regained ability to sweat.

 

I have noticed phenomena related to Huang Qi and both its above stated

functions while performing internal exercises, if that is of any interest.

 

Hugo

 

 

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Thu, 8 April, 2010 15:58:14

Re:herbs for breast feeding mom--effect baby?

 

 

Not true at all- in fact sometimes jade windscreen is used at high doses in

acute ext. conditions with excellent results. Page 319 of Bensky/Gamble says

not only is huang qi safe in exterior conditions, it can be used to induce

sweating when regular sweat-inducing herbs have failed.

 

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<acukath > wrote:

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> huang qi:

>

> yes, huang qi c/i exterior conditions: locks the in the path. other

> qi/xue/yin tonics can be used for xu patient.

>

> korean ginseng: red is steamed, white is sun-dried. the steaming causes the

> roots to turn red.

>

> kath

>

> On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 11:21 AM, <johnkokko@. ..> wrote:

>

> > Jason wrote:

> > " no one says not to use a tonic like huang qi, on the contrary, like jade

> > windscreen formula. "

> >

> > I've heard that we shouldn't use Yu ping feng san when the patient has an

> > acute exterior invasion.

> > It stops sweating and fortifies wei qi, which could hold the pathogen

> > inside

> > the palace walls, so to speak. What are others view on this?

> >

> >

> > How is Korean ginseng processed? (sundried, steamed).... any herbal

> > additions?

> > > Respectfully, -JB

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[Guest guest]

One problem that I keep in mind with using Huang Qi early into an EPI is that it

has an ascending action on the lung--so that can be a problem if a cough might

develop. Sure, you can try to find the balance with enough descending herbs

like Xing Ren etc but I personally tend to like to use Bai Zhu instead for this

reason. Also, Bai Zhu is more drying than any of the other qi tonics, which is

good if there is a fair amount of phlegm.

 

There are general guidelines that are important to keep in mind, but its always

important to keep in mind differential diagnosis.

 

Laura

 

 

 

Chinese Medicine , <johnkokko

wrote:

>

> So, is Yu ping feng san used for releasing acute exterior pathogens as well

> as tonifying the Wei Qi?

> The name of the formula points to the latter usage, but I'm open to

> understanding how

> Huang qi, Bai zhu and Fang feng can be used when the pathogen is already

> lodged inside the body.

>

> Seems as if you want the patient to sweat in an exterior attack, you use

> something like Ma huang

> and pungent herbs, such as Sheng jiang or Bo he or Cong bai...

>

>

> Jason said, " With acupuncture you would want to reduce the source and luo

> points of the shaoyang channel... " ...

>

> From the Nei jing,

> I thought that you reduced the luo point of the pathogenic channel (guest)

> and tonified the source point of its pair (host)....

> By tonifying the source point, you tonify the Yuan qi from that organ, which

> in turn, tonifies the Zeng Qi (upright Qi).

> Usually luo points were bled and source points could be treated with needles

> or moxa.

> Please elaborate.

>

> K

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

John,

in SNBCJ it was sheng sai shen (sun dried ginseng) which is slightly cold.

Li wen yen (father of Li shi zhen) stated that Ren shen is warm, but the kind of

ginseng used at that time was Hong shen (Gingseng Radix Rubra). When Chen xiu

yuan read this, he was outrageous and burned Ben cao gang mu. He said " Ben cao

gang mu is a classic text, how dare he change the herb's property. We don't need

this book! " . Actually it was just a misunderstanding.

 

Cheers,

Yandy

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Yandy,

thanks for the story.

So, how is hong ren shen processed?

 

steamed with other herbs? which herbs?

 

K

 

 

 

 

On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 6:20 PM, Yandy Yang <yandy_mail wrote:

 

>

>

> John,

> in SNBCJ it was sheng sai shen (sun dried ginseng) which is slightly cold.

> Li wen yen (father of Li shi zhen) stated that Ren shen is warm, but the

> kind of ginseng used at that time was Hong shen (Gingseng Radix Rubra). When

> Chen xiu yuan read this, he was outrageous and burned Ben cao gang mu. He

> said " Ben cao gang mu is a classic text, how dare he change the herb's

> property. We don't need this book! " . Actually it was just a

> misunderstanding.

>

> Cheers,

> Yandy

>

>