Guest guest Posted April 4, 2010 Report Share Posted April 4, 2010 Hi, anyone have good results with acupuncture and retinitis pigmentosa? micro or electro acupuncture stimulation? K -- "" www.tcmreview.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010  Hi John, I've never tried acu only for a dx of RP. RP presents completely differently from person to person anyway, although in the handful of cases I have seen they have all been deficiency. I treat via herbs, diet and eye qigong. If the " RP " is early stage it is very tractable, more advanced and the patient needs to be committed to a long term treatment in my experience.  Hugo  ________________________________ Hugo Ramiro http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com http://www.middlemedicine.org ________________________________ <johnkokko Chinese Medicine Sun, 4 April, 2010 16:44:26 retinitis pigmentosa  Hi, anyone have good results with acupuncture and retinitis pigmentosa? micro or electro acupuncture stimulation? K -- "" www.turtleclinic. com www.tcmreview. com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 This patient is extremely Liver blood vacuous and has very stiff tendons, especially in her neck and shoulders. She has had poor eyesight since childhood, but doesn't know of anyone in her family with a history of RP. I'm giving her a modification of Dang gui xian xiong tang with Gou qi zi, Tu si zi, Nu zhen zi and Hei zhi ma She also has a history of cancer, so she was told to stay off of red meat, but I advised her to try some organic liver once/ week. Other ideas? K On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 6:41 AM, Hugo Ramiro <subincor wrote: > > > Hi John, I've never tried acu only for a dx of RP. RP presents completely > differently from person to person anyway, although in the handful of cases I > have seen they have all been deficiency. I treat via herbs, diet and eye > qigong. If the " RP " is early stage it is very tractable, more advanced and > the patient needs to be committed to a long term treatment in my experience. > > Hugo > > ________________________________ > Hugo Ramiro > http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com > http://www.middlemedicine.org > > ________________________________ > <johnkokko <johnkokko%40gmail.com>> > To: Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> > Sun, 4 April, 2010 16:44:26 > retinitis pigmentosa > > > > Hi, > anyone have good results with acupuncture and retinitis pigmentosa? > micro or electro acupuncture stimulation? > > K > > -- > > > "" > > www.turtleclinic. com > www.tcmreview. com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 Although RP is caused by a xu condition, I treat the branch as an excess condition due to the inflammation of the retina and, later, the inflammation of the optic nerve. I treat RP with microcurrent therapy without needles, but I use needles distally. I have put the protocol (with frequencies and intensity) on this site before (I believe within the last month) if anyone wishes to look it up. With MET therapy the results are usually seen after the very first treatment. They are dramatic and obvious to the patient. I use Ming Mu di huang Wan as the empirical herbal prescription. Sincerely, Dr. Donald J. Snow, DAOM, MPH, L.Ac. > Chinese Medicine > johnkokko > Tue, 6 Apr 2010 07:08:00 -0700 > Re: retinitis pigmentosa > > This patient is extremely Liver blood vacuous and has very stiff tendons, > especially in her neck and shoulders. > She has had poor eyesight since childhood, but doesn't know of anyone in her > family with a history of RP. > > I'm giving her a modification of Dang gui xian xiong tang with Gou qi zi, Tu > si zi, Nu zhen zi and Hei zhi ma > > She also has a history of cancer, so she was told to stay off of red meat, > but I advised her to try some organic liver once/ week. > > Other ideas? > > K > > > > On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 6:41 AM, Hugo Ramiro <subincor wrote: > > > > > > > Hi John, I've never tried acu only for a dx of RP. RP presents completely > > differently from person to person anyway, although in the handful of cases I > > have seen they have all been deficiency. I treat via herbs, diet and eye > > qigong. If the " RP " is early stage it is very tractable, more advanced and > > the patient needs to be committed to a long term treatment in my experience. > > > > Hugo > > > > ________________________________ > > Hugo Ramiro > > http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com > > http://www.middlemedicine.org > > > > ________________________________ > > <johnkokko <johnkokko%40gmail.com>> > > To: Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> > > Sun, 4 April, 2010 16:44:26 > > retinitis pigmentosa > > > > > > > > Hi, > > anyone have good results with acupuncture and retinitis pigmentosa? > > micro or electro acupuncture stimulation? > > > > K > > > > -- > > > > > > "" > > > > www.turtleclinic. com > > www.tcmreview. com > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 Hi John, Are you doing acupuncture reaching behind the eyes? Like jingming and one or two of the extra points around the eyes? Increasing qi circulation there where it is most needed is probably what you need to do most of. Herbs are fine, but people with RP are already taking supplements and I'm not sure herbal medicine works spectacularly well with RP. I haven't found that much in the literature about herbal medicine for RP. I've lectured for RP patients organizations and have seen quite a few RP patients over time. Slowing down the progress of the disease is often possible, and in several cases a certain amount of improvement in peripheral vision can be measured by the optometrist. Julian Cope reminded me last year about the importance of blood stasis with RP, in which case one also has to work on the heart. I also needle GB20 deeply in all of my RP patients. Best, Tom. Tom Verhaeghe Stationsplein 59 8770 Ingelmunster www.chinese-geneeskunde.be Chinese Medicine Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of john kokko dinsdag 6 april 2010 16:08 Chinese Medicine Re: retinitis pigmentosa This patient is extremely Liver blood vacuous and has very stiff tendons, especially in her neck and shoulders. She has had poor eyesight since childhood, but doesn't know of anyone in her family with a history of RP. I'm giving her a modification of Dang gui xian xiong tang with Gou qi zi, Tu si zi, Nu zhen zi and Hei zhi ma She also has a history of cancer, so she was told to stay off of red meat, but I advised her to try some organic liver once/ week. Other ideas? K On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 6:41 AM, Hugo Ramiro <subincor wrote: > > > Hi John, I've never tried acu only for a dx of RP. RP presents completely > differently from person to person anyway, although in the handful of cases I > have seen they have all been deficiency. I treat via herbs, diet and eye > qigong. If the " RP " is early stage it is very tractable, more advanced and > the patient needs to be committed to a long term treatment in my experience. > > Hugo > > ________________________________ > Hugo Ramiro > http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com > http://www.middlemedicine.org > > ________________________________ > <johnkokko <johnkokko%40gmail.com>> > To: Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40 > > Sun, 4 April, 2010 16:44:26 > retinitis pigmentosa > > > > Hi, > anyone have good results with acupuncture and retinitis pigmentosa? > micro or electro acupuncture stimulation? > > K > > -- > > > "" > > www.turtleclinic. com > www.tcmreview. com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 I responded to this thread a couple of days ago with a microcurrent rx and result expectations. I'm not sure if it showed up here. It appears that many of my responses aren't showing up on this site and I don't quite know why. Sincerely, Dr. Donald J. Snow, DAOM, MPH, L.Ac. Chinese Medicine tom.verhaeghe Wed, 7 Apr 2010 21:50:48 +0200 RE: retinitis pigmentosa Hi John, Are you doing acupuncture reaching behind the eyes? Like jingming and one or two of the extra points around the eyes? Increasing qi circulation there where it is most needed is probably what you need to do most of. Herbs are fine, but people with RP are already taking supplements and I'm not sure herbal medicine works spectacularly well with RP. I haven't found that much in the literature about herbal medicine for RP. I've lectured for RP patients organizations and have seen quite a few RP patients over time. Slowing down the progress of the disease is often possible, and in several cases a certain amount of improvement in peripheral vision can be measured by the optometrist. Julian Cope reminded me last year about the importance of blood stasis with RP, in which case one also has to work on the heart. I also needle GB20 deeply in all of my RP patients. Best, Tom. Tom Verhaeghe Stationsplein 59 8770 Ingelmunster www.chinese-geneeskunde.be Chinese Medicine Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of john kokko dinsdag 6 april 2010 16:08 Chinese Medicine Re: retinitis pigmentosa This patient is extremely Liver blood vacuous and has very stiff tendons, especially in her neck and shoulders. She has had poor eyesight since childhood, but doesn't know of anyone in her family with a history of RP. I'm giving her a modification of Dang gui xian xiong tang with Gou qi zi, Tu si zi, Nu zhen zi and Hei zhi ma She also has a history of cancer, so she was told to stay off of red meat, but I advised her to try some organic liver once/ week. Other ideas? K On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 6:41 AM, Hugo Ramiro <subincor wrote: > > > Hi John, I've never tried acu only for a dx of RP. RP presents completely > differently from person to person anyway, although in the handful of cases I > have seen they have all been deficiency. I treat via herbs, diet and eye > qigong. If the " RP " is early stage it is very tractable, more advanced and > the patient needs to be committed to a long term treatment in my experience. > > Hugo > > ________________________________ > Hugo Ramiro > http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com > http://www.middlemedicine.org > > ________________________________ > <johnkokko <johnkokko%40gmail.com>> > To: Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40 > > Sun, 4 April, 2010 16:44:26 > retinitis pigmentosa > > > > Hi, > anyone have good results with acupuncture and retinitis pigmentosa? > micro or electro acupuncture stimulation? > > K > > -- > > > "" > > www.turtleclinic. com > www.tcmreview. com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 Tom, yes... GB 20, GB 37 - LV 3, 4 sides of the eyes: ST 1, Yu yao towards UB 2, Tai yang I'm interested in the micro-current settings. Thanks, K On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Tom Verhaeghe < tom.verhaeghe wrote: > > > Hi John, > > Are you doing acupuncture reaching behind the eyes? Like jingming and one > or > two of the extra points around the eyes? Increasing qi circulation there > where it is most needed is probably what you need to do most of. Herbs are > fine, but people with RP are already taking supplements and I'm not sure > herbal medicine works spectacularly well with RP. I haven't found that much > in the literature about herbal medicine for RP. > > I've lectured for RP patients organizations and have seen quite a few RP > patients over time. Slowing down the progress of the disease is often > possible, and in several cases a certain amount of improvement in > peripheral > vision can be measured by the optometrist. > Julian Cope reminded me last year about the importance of blood stasis with > RP, in which case one also has to work on the heart. I also needle GB20 > deeply in all of my RP patients. > > Best, > > Tom. > > Tom Verhaeghe > Stationsplein 59 > 8770 Ingelmunster > www.chinese-geneeskunde.be > > > > Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> > [Chinese Medicine <Traditional_Chinese_Medicin\ e%40>] > On Behalf Of john > kokko > dinsdag 6 april 2010 16:08 > To: Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> > Re: retinitis pigmentosa > > This patient is extremely Liver blood vacuous and has very stiff tendons, > especially in her neck and shoulders. > She has had poor eyesight since childhood, but doesn't know of anyone in > her > family with a history of RP. > > I'm giving her a modification of Dang gui xian xiong tang with Gou qi zi, > Tu > si zi, Nu zhen zi and Hei zhi ma > > She also has a history of cancer, so she was told to stay off of red meat, > but I advised her to try some organic liver once/ week. > > Other ideas? > > K > > On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 6:41 AM, Hugo Ramiro <subincor<subincor%40>> > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi John, I've never tried acu only for a dx of RP. RP presents completely > > differently from person to person anyway, although in the handful of > cases > I > > have seen they have all been deficiency. I treat via herbs, diet and eye > > qigong. If the " RP " is early stage it is very tractable, more advanced > and > > the patient needs to be committed to a long term treatment in my > experience. > > > > Hugo > > > > ________________________________ > > Hugo Ramiro > > http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com > > http://www.middlemedicine.org > > > > ________________________________ > > <johnkokko <johnkokko%40gmail.com><johnkokko% > 40gmail.com>> > > To: > Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com><Chinese Medicine%40 > > > > > > Sun, 4 April, 2010 16:44:26 > > retinitis pigmentosa > > > > > > > > Hi, > > anyone have good results with acupuncture and retinitis pigmentosa? > > micro or electro acupuncture stimulation? > > > > K > > > > -- > > > > > > "" > > > > www.turtleclinic. com > > www.tcmreview. com > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 Hi John, actually I meant deep needling, 2 cun deep so you can get the qi to reach the retina. Tom Verhaeghe Stationsplein 59 8770 Ingelmunster www.chinese-geneeskunde.be Chinese Medicine Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of john kokko woensdag 7 april 2010 22:29 Chinese Medicine Re: retinitis pigmentosa Tom, yes... GB 20, GB 37 - LV 3, 4 sides of the eyes: ST 1, Yu yao towards UB 2, Tai yang I'm interested in the micro-current settings. Thanks, K On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Tom Verhaeghe < tom.verhaeghe wrote: > > > Hi John, > > Are you doing acupuncture reaching behind the eyes? Like jingming and one > or > two of the extra points around the eyes? Increasing qi circulation there > where it is most needed is probably what you need to do most of. Herbs are > fine, but people with RP are already taking supplements and I'm not sure > herbal medicine works spectacularly well with RP. I haven't found that much > in the literature about herbal medicine for RP. > > I've lectured for RP patients organizations and have seen quite a few RP > patients over time. Slowing down the progress of the disease is often > possible, and in several cases a certain amount of improvement in > peripheral > vision can be measured by the optometrist. > Julian Cope reminded me last year about the importance of blood stasis with > RP, in which case one also has to work on the heart. I also needle GB20 > deeply in all of my RP patients. > > Best, > > Tom. > > Tom Verhaeghe > Stationsplein 59 > 8770 Ingelmunster > www.chinese-geneeskunde.be > > > > Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40 > > [Chinese Medicine <Traditional_Chinese_Med icine%40>] > On Behalf Of john > kokko > dinsdag 6 april 2010 16:08 > To: Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40 > > Re: retinitis pigmentosa > > This patient is extremely Liver blood vacuous and has very stiff tendons, > especially in her neck and shoulders. > She has had poor eyesight since childhood, but doesn't know of anyone in > her > family with a history of RP. > > I'm giving her a modification of Dang gui xian xiong tang with Gou qi zi, > Tu > si zi, Nu zhen zi and Hei zhi ma > > She also has a history of cancer, so she was told to stay off of red meat, > but I advised her to try some organic liver once/ week. > > Other ideas? > > K > > On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 6:41 AM, Hugo Ramiro <subincor<subincor%40>> > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi John, I've never tried acu only for a dx of RP. RP presents completely > > differently from person to person anyway, although in the handful of > cases > I > > have seen they have all been deficiency. I treat via herbs, diet and eye > > qigong. If the " RP " is early stage it is very tractable, more advanced > and > > the patient needs to be committed to a long term treatment in my > experience. > > > > Hugo > > > > ________________________________ > > Hugo Ramiro > > http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com > > http://www.middlemedicine.org > > > > ________________________________ > > <johnkokko <johnkokko%40gmail.com><johnkokko% > 40gmail.com>> > > To: > Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40 ><Chinese Medicine%40 > > > > > > Sun, 4 April, 2010 16:44:26 > > retinitis pigmentosa > > > > > > > > Hi, > > anyone have good results with acupuncture and retinitis pigmentosa? > > micro or electro acupuncture stimulation? > > > > K > > > > -- > > > > > > "" > > > > www.turtleclinic. com > > www.tcmreview. com > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 Hi Donald, your post got through to me, and I did spend some time searching for that post you mention with the actual protocol. Can't find it, but 's search within groups is not spectacular. I did find another post from 2009 where you describe a bit about MENS. Hugo ________________________________ Hugo Ramiro http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com http://www.middlemedicine.org ________________________________ Donald Snow <don83407 Chinese Traditional Medicine Wed, 7 April, 2010 16:10:57 RE: retinitis pigmentosa I responded to this thread a couple of days ago with a microcurrent rx and result expectations. I'm not sure if it showed up here. It appears that many of my responses aren't showing up on this site and I don't quite know why. Sincerely, Dr. Donald J. Snow, DAOM, MPH, L.Ac. Chinese Medicine tom.verhaeghe Wed, 7 Apr 2010 21:50:48 +0200 RE: retinitis pigmentosa Hi John, Are you doing acupuncture reaching behind the eyes? Like jingming and one or two of the extra points around the eyes? Increasing qi circulation there where it is most needed is probably what you need to do most of. Herbs are fine, but people with RP are already taking supplements and I'm not sure herbal medicine works spectacularly well with RP. I haven't found that much in the literature about herbal medicine for RP. I've lectured for RP patients organizations and have seen quite a few RP patients over time. Slowing down the progress of the disease is often possible, and in several cases a certain amount of improvement in peripheral vision can be measured by the optometrist. Julian Cope reminded me last year about the importance of blood stasis with RP, in which case one also has to work on the heart. I also needle GB20 deeply in all of my RP patients. Best, Tom. Tom Verhaeghe Stationsplein 59 8770 Ingelmunster www.chinese-geneeskunde.be Chinese Medicine Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of john kokko dinsdag 6 april 2010 16:08 Chinese Medicine Re: retinitis pigmentosa This patient is extremely Liver blood vacuous and has very stiff tendons, especially in her neck and shoulders. She has had poor eyesight since childhood, but doesn't know of anyone in her family with a history of RP. I'm giving her a modification of Dang gui xian xiong tang with Gou qi zi, Tu si zi, Nu zhen zi and Hei zhi ma She also has a history of cancer, so she was told to stay off of red meat, but I advised her to try some organic liver once/ week. Other ideas? K On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 6:41 AM, Hugo Ramiro <subincor wrote: > > > Hi John, I've never tried acu only for a dx of RP. RP presents completely > differently from person to person anyway, although in the handful of cases I > have seen they have all been deficiency. I treat via herbs, diet and eye > qigong. If the " RP " is early stage it is very tractable, more advanced and > the patient needs to be committed to a long term treatment in my experience. > > Hugo > > ________________________________ > Hugo Ramiro > http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com > http://www.middlemedicine.org > > ________________________________ > <johnkokko <johnkokko%40gmail.com>> > To: Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40 > > Sun, 4 April, 2010 16:44:26 > retinitis pigmentosa > > > > Hi, > anyone have good results with acupuncture and retinitis pigmentosa? > micro or electro acupuncture stimulation? > > K > > -- > > > "" > > www.turtleclinic. com > www.tcmreview. com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 Hi again, Here is the post I did before. Here I give frequencies and prognoses. The results are immediate. Sincerely, Don Snow, DAOM, MPH, L.Ac. don83407 cassandra.acu RE: [PCOM Alumni] Retina Pigmentosa Mon, 8 Mar 2010 11:04:30 -0600 Actually, this is not necessarily difficult to treat at all. However, the younger the patient is, the better the response will be. I use micro-current electrical therapy via 1 inch plates or pads over the eyes with an electrolyte jel/lotion. I try to use an intensity of 200 micro-amps (or whatever does not create a sensation of pricking/tingling) at 0.3 htz for five minutes, then 4.3 htz, 10 htz, 40 htz, 80 htz, 160 htz, up to 1000 htz if there is inflamtion of the optic nerve. If at 10 htz and the patient sees flashing lights; this is a sign that the patient will have positive results. If they see no flashing lights, we probably will not be able to get improvement. After finishing your maximum hertz, set the maching full circle to the beginning at 0.3 htz for five minutes. The treatment is now complete. It is time consuming, but the results are well worth the time. I usually will have the patient bring me a recent eye exam from her ophthamologist and after three weeks of treatment at a minimum of twice a week (three time per week is best) I will have them return to their eye doctor for a re-eval. I want to see objective improvement. If we get improvement we continue with the treatments, if not, I usually recommend discontuance of treatment due to cost. I add distal acupuncture when I do MET therapy for anything, and the eyes are no exception. I sincerely hope this protocol helps. Please feel free to ask any questions. I am yours sincerely, Dr. Don J. Snow, Jr., DAOM, MPH, L.Ac. Chinese Medicine subincor Wed, 7 Apr 2010 21:13:30 +0000 Re: retinitis pigmentosa Hi Donald, your post got through to me, and I did spend some time searching for that post you mention with the actual protocol. Can't find it, but 's search within groups is not spectacular. I did find another post from 2009 where you describe a bit about MENS. Hugo ________________________________ Hugo Ramiro http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com http://www.middlemedicine.org ________________________________ Donald Snow <don83407 Chinese Traditional Medicine Wed, 7 April, 2010 16:10:57 RE: retinitis pigmentosa I responded to this thread a couple of days ago with a microcurrent rx and result expectations. I'm not sure if it showed up here. It appears that many of my responses aren't showing up on this site and I don't quite know why. Sincerely, Dr. Donald J. Snow, DAOM, MPH, L.Ac. Chinese Medicine tom.verhaeghe Wed, 7 Apr 2010 21:50:48 +0200 RE: retinitis pigmentosa Hi John, Are you doing acupuncture reaching behind the eyes? Like jingming and one or two of the extra points around the eyes? Increasing qi circulation there where it is most needed is probably what you need to do most of. Herbs are fine, but people with RP are already taking supplements and I'm not sure herbal medicine works spectacularly well with RP. I haven't found that much in the literature about herbal medicine for RP. I've lectured for RP patients organizations and have seen quite a few RP patients over time. Slowing down the progress of the disease is often possible, and in several cases a certain amount of improvement in peripheral vision can be measured by the optometrist. Julian Cope reminded me last year about the importance of blood stasis with RP, in which case one also has to work on the heart. I also needle GB20 deeply in all of my RP patients. Best, Tom. Tom Verhaeghe Stationsplein 59 8770 Ingelmunster www.chinese-geneeskunde.be Chinese Medicine Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of john kokko dinsdag 6 april 2010 16:08 Chinese Medicine Re: retinitis pigmentosa This patient is extremely Liver blood vacuous and has very stiff tendons, especially in her neck and shoulders. She has had poor eyesight since childhood, but doesn't know of anyone in her family with a history of RP. I'm giving her a modification of Dang gui xian xiong tang with Gou qi zi, Tu si zi, Nu zhen zi and Hei zhi ma She also has a history of cancer, so she was told to stay off of red meat, but I advised her to try some organic liver once/ week. Other ideas? K On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 6:41 AM, Hugo Ramiro <subincor wrote: > > > Hi John, I've never tried acu only for a dx of RP. RP presents completely > differently from person to person anyway, although in the handful of cases I > have seen they have all been deficiency. I treat via herbs, diet and eye > qigong. If the " RP " is early stage it is very tractable, more advanced and > the patient needs to be committed to a long term treatment in my experience. > > Hugo > > ________________________________ > Hugo Ramiro > http://middlemedicine.wordpress.com > http://www.middlemedicine.org > > ________________________________ > <johnkokko <johnkokko%40gmail.com>> > To: Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40 > > Sun, 4 April, 2010 16:44:26 > retinitis pigmentosa > > > > Hi, > anyone have good results with acupuncture and retinitis pigmentosa? > micro or electro acupuncture stimulation? > > K > > -- > > > "" > > www.turtleclinic. com > www.tcmreview. com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2010 Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 Don's protocol basically sounds the the LISS stimulator, Koko if u want u can borrow mine and see if it helps 400 29th St. Suite 419 Oakland Ca 94609 alonmarcus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2010 Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 I have no idea what a LISS stimulator is. I use either a my-o-matic or electro-acuscope and these are micro-current only devices. If you use TENs on the eyes, you may have a lawsuit waiting. You can also use Darynn Starwynns device, I have also used it. But I have no idea what a LISS is. I also use Russian SCENAR devices (Cosmodic frequencies, not SCENAR) for the eyes. Sincerely, Dr. Don J. Snow, DAOM, MPH, L.Ac. Chinese Medicine alonmarcus Thu, 8 Apr 2010 08:39:09 -0700 Re: retinitis pigmentosa Don's protocol basically sounds the the LISS stimulator, Koko if u want u can borrow mine and see if it helps 400 29th St. Suite 419 Oakland Ca 94609 alonmarcus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2010 Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 Alon, yes... I have a patient with RP who has already lost her sight in one eye and is losing sight in the other, so whatever can save her remaining eyesight is helpful. Thanks. To answer about the deep needling from yesterday.... I needled 1 cun deep on ST 1 and 1.5 cun deep on GB 20 towards the opposite eye. Do you go 2 cun deep on ST 1? GB 20? in your protocol? Is UB 1 essential here? K On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 8:39 AM, alon marcus <alonmarcus wrote: > > > Don's protocol basically sounds the the LISS stimulator, Koko if u > want u can borrow mine and see if it helps > > > 400 29th St. Suite 419 > Oakland Ca 94609 > > > > alonmarcus <alonmarcus%40wans.net> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2010 Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 2 cun deep on the extra point 0.5 cun lateral to ST1 and 2 cun deep on BL1. I always use both with all of my RP patients. 1.5 cun deep on GB20. You will need stiff needles, bending ones don't work well if you want to needle behind the eye. If the patient gets a deqi before you the needle is completely in there's no need to go for the full 2 cun. Do it gently so you can observe their reaction. Patients will often start seeing lights immediately after the deqi. I'm intrigued by the microcurrent protocol. Donald, what is your success rate in your RP patients and how much improvement do you expect in the peripheral vision? Has there been any research done using this protocol? Tom Verhaeghe Stationsplein 59 8770 Ingelmunster www.chinese-geneeskunde.be Chinese Medicine Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of john kokko donderdag 8 april 2010 18:47 Chinese Medicine Re: Re: retinitis pigmentosa To answer about the deep needling from yesterday.... I needled 1 cun deep on ST 1 and 1.5 cun deep on GB 20 towards the opposite eye. Do you go 2 cun deep on ST 1? GB 20? in your protocol? Is UB 1 essential here? K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2010 Report Share Posted April 9, 2010 LISS is a transcranial stimulator that stimulate the retina and causes the flashing. It uses some of the frequencies u use 400 29th St. Suite 419 Oakland Ca 94609 alonmarcus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.